Pukii (EUNE)
: Can i use Custom Skins with Wooxy ?
It's completely fine to use Wooxy and custom skin installers.
: [EUW]-[S]-[High Elo Coach]-[LF D2+ Players to create a new team or join an existing][EUCS Goal]
SloPro11 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Monsue,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=002c000000000001,timestamp=2016-05-20T17:07:52.389+0000) > > you. > > What? He was making a metaphor. You're the dumb one for taking it as a real life scenario. ??? I know it's a metaphor, but metaphor or not, you can't compare a videogame ban to a death setence, it could be compared to something like suspension from football or something, but definitely not a death setence, god...
> [{quoted}](name=SloPro11,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=002c0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-05-20T17:24:42.939+0000) > > I know it's a metaphor, but metaphor or not, you can't compare a videogame ban to a death setence, it could be compared to something like suspension from football or something, but definitely not a death setence, god... A metaphor is not a comparison, it's a metaphor. I'd agree, it's an extreme metaphor, but it's a good one.
SloPro11 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=walging,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=002c0000,timestamp=2016-05-19T19:58:17.480+0000) > > A dictator uses the death sentence to punish those who eat french fries. > Does that mean punishing those who eat french fries with the death sentence is fair? That's ridiculous, idk where you got that. It's pretty dumb to compare a videogame ban to a death sentence, as if lol is the only thing you have in your life. There are rules and if you break them, you get punished, simple as that. Riot keeps reminding you that using 3rd party programs is not allowed, especially if they give you an advantage. If you google "mk jogo" there's only one result that doesn't say that it's illegal and not allowed, so you're warned multiple times. If you do download it, then it's not riot's fault, it's your stupidity's fault that you downloaded something you knew was illegal. Noone else is going to take responsibility for you.
> [{quoted}](name=SloPro11,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=002c00000000,timestamp=2016-05-20T12:17:19.155+0000) > > That's ridiculous, idk where you got that. It's pretty dumb to compare a videogame ban to a death sentence, as if lol is the only thing you have in your life. There are rules and if you break them, you get punished, simple as that. Riot keeps reminding you that using 3rd party programs is not allowed, especially if they give you an advantage. If you google "mk jogo" there's only one result that doesn't say that it's illegal and not allowed, so you're warned multiple times. If you do download it, then it's not riot's fault, it's your stupidity's fault that you downloaded something you knew was illegal. Noone else is going to take responsibility for you. What? He was making a metaphor. You're the dumb one for taking it as a real life scenario. ???
SloPro11 (EUNE)
: There's no discussion needed. Riot clearly reminds everyone that 3rd party programs are not allowed and if you're going to use them, you'll get punished, especially if they give you an advantage, besides it's been known for years that it's not allowed. Even if you just google mk jogo, most of the results will tell you that it's not allowed and bannable. By your logic, even permabanned flamers should get an unban.
"by my logic"? Well, it's Riot's logic too, now. They're unbanning people with my problem, me included. You probably don't believe me. Want a screenshot of the ticket?
Illazuel (EUW)
: That is what you leave yourself open to when you install a 3rd party program. You know what else is a 3rd party program? a virus. I could sit here and speculate all day about what the virus might do or might not do, but instead, ill just not install the virus to begin with and negate the entire problem of determining what effects it may or may not have.
I did it matey. I got unbanned. They dug through stuff and found I had stopped using it like I said. Thanks for commenting and bumping my post~! <3
Hansiman (EUNE)
: So asking for evidence when someone claims something is wrong? I base my opinions from facts. If people can show me facts, and not just their personal opinions, I will change my mind. Until then, all I've seen is evidence to suggest that Riot has permanently banned players for cheating.
I did it mate! Got unbanned. Thanks for sticking around and answering people's question on my post. <3
shnideda (EUNE)
: hey, wanted to let you know they realy unbanned me. thanks for the help, hope u all get ur acc back (if you deserve them ofc ) gl guys
Good job dude. proud of ya. Hopefully everyone else who deserves an unban gets the same treatment as you.
Owyn (EUNE)
: No, I mean a real news article, not some forum topic, like this: http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/store/sales/tier-2-runes-now-permanent-1-ip-sale
Even if there's no "news article", all of us who were using the software long ago got an email telling us to stop or else we'll get temp banned. If you claim you didn't, you're bullshitting. All of the people using this software at one point or another knew/found out this software wasn't ok.
: > I was one of the people who used it ~6 months ago, and got permabanned last night. So wait, ur trying to tell us/me you got permabanned for no reason? I was also one of those people using MKJogo and also got warned about it last year. I stopped using it insantly and didn't bother using it again. There are several other Tools which are plain Skinchanger. Riot won't permaban anyone for no reason at all. Everytime a banwave goes through I see people crying 24/7 how they didn't do ANYTHING and how of a good player they are. Tbh, if u srsly get banned for no reason and it was just a false-alarm then just write a damn ticket to the support, but don't wipe ur tears in the public so another MKJogo discussion errupts like on several other boards before.
The thing that bothers me is - 7 months ago, I got an E-mail warning me to stop using the software, OR ELSE I might get TEMP banned. 7 months after I stopped using this software, I get perma banned. That's what bothers me about this. If they had banned me 7 months ago, it would have been 100% justified. But now? It just seems like a bit of a backstab.
nicp (EUNE)
: Yes they were justified, Hate me or love me, You alter game files you know full well that you might get banned. Whenever you used it. And for the ' I don't know if I want to spend money on this game now for fear of getting banned ' - Then don't there is no one forcing you too. I am perfectly comfortable spending money because I don't 'Tilt' as people seem to put it lately, I don't flame, I don't cheat. I have no fear for my account.
The thing that bothers me is - 7 months ago, I got an E-mail warning me to stop using the software, OR ELSE I might get TEMP banned. 7 months after I stopped using this software, I get perma banned. That's what bothers me about this. If they had banned me 7 months ago, it would have been 100% justified. But now? It just seems like a bit of a backstab.
: That question is so biased, you mentioned it, but some of people voted with out what you wrote in the end. So were they justified? Absolutely YES why? Because ___ like you come on to boards only when YOU have a problem. I was raising voice against permabans for flaming 2 months ago, no one gave a sh+t about it. Look at the hate I received when I created club for permabanned. > http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment-en/EEPIrudO-club-invitation-to-all-people-who-got-banned-by-riot-for-flaming And that was after this thread stating the reasons, why permaban is not the solution. > http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/8Q9L3v0e-riot-acting-like-superman-shoving-justice-like-a-d-what-is-the-issue-with-that And there was a well written thread from a guy who got permabanned because of flaming. > http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/gnE6uqtR-tribunal-finally-got-me P.S. I have many accounts and I have never been permabanned my self, but why did I do this much effort? because I fkin CARE.
I made an edit at the bottom of the post that fixes it. Please read the whole post before voting next time. Dude, I was surprised that my first post ever blew up this much. Never expected it. Never give up on things you care about. make more posts. Get friends to spread it around and upvote. Hopefully one day you'll get lucky too.
Monsue (EUW)
: Discussion of the recent permabans, and all the info I've gathered so far about them.
A small update: They answered my support ticket, I told them my situation, and they haven't said anything for about 20 hours. Optimistically, they're double-checking to see if there's any evidence of MK usage left in my account in the past 7 months. If what I speculate is true, maybe I'll be one of the lucky ones and get unbanned. FeelsGoodMan
: He has never ever admitted that Riot made a mistake. You cant discuss with someone who got brainwashed and thinks Riot is a God and perfect being that doesnt make mistakes and every part of their system is good. To be honest Im pretty sure if he dared to say the honest opinion he would probably get kicked as a mod, because even the least important person working for Riot (free or not) saying something bad about the game would break their image even more. I already gave up to discuss with anyone related with Riot in any way, because their mind is like a wall. You hit it and cant break it with anything. Reasonable arguments simply are too weak for that. And of course many people live in denial and nobody can't do anything to save them from it. Ps: Expect this post to be deleted because it says the truth. Same as many posts I wrote about Riot policy and mistakes they did. It is the same story like in Reddit. there is a list of topics you cant talk about there, because those get instantly deleted. Riot has ins for Reddit and manage it to mute any sign of people critisizing Riot's system.
It's not about being brainwashed, it's about being skeptical of other people when they get banned. Especially in a thread like this, it's easy to just hop on the band wagon and say "Yep! I was unfairly perma'd too!" When maybe they weren't. Reality check: People lie. Amazing.
Chiemboy (EUW)
: I actually did remove it after I got a warning 6 months ago! Still got perma'd tho!
Same happened to me. Just tell them on the ticket and they'll look into it - it's what they're doing for me.
MynadarxCZ (EUNE)
: "Were the bans justified? Should they be reverted? -> Yes or No" Are you serious man? You literally ask two yes/no questions in the same time where saying yes to the first means saying no to the second. Way to make a poll... And no, I dont think perma bans without previous smaller bans are a good thing.
I made an edit at the bottom of the post that fixes it. Please read the whoel post before voting next time.
shnideda (EUNE)
: well , after 6 msg to them they decided to unban me . i didnt belive its a possibility but i was wrong thats why i came here to tell you all that if u realy did earse that and never used anything else they might realy unban you. gl
Congrats man! Take this as a lesson learnt to never use these again.
Nurglics (EUNE)
: what did this MK app do?
Junge timers in your minimap (before riot added them to the game) abd local skins, like custom skins.
: the truth of the matter is that it wasnt a random permaban with no warnings. they explicitly said mklol is illegal months ago and that it will get you banned, and just because you didnt use it doesnt mean you are safe, you cant have it installed on the computer otherwise it runs background processes and its still detectable. some mklol permabans might get reverted, but i never heard of mklol before the riot warning from months ago about it. so yea. there was a clear warning.
The problem is that me - along with other people, have received permabans when we stopped using the software as soon as we got the email warning us that the software we were using was against the ToS. The email basically said "Uninstall or you will get a temp ban" This was 7 months ago.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: And if that's the response you got, it means they've verified that you were banned correctly. And no, they won't be able to disclose what you were caught using, as this information would be used in order to avoid detection in the future, and assist the developers of 3rd party programs to update their tools to avoid future detection.
Well, thanks for sticking around m80. I'm sure me saying I'm telling the truth won't do much, but I can see why you hold your views. Hopefully the people who didn't deserve a temp ban, however many of them there are, get justice.
Illazuel (EUW)
: my point is this. you weren't allowed to change the software. you did. you have no way of knowing for certain what specific things were changed when you changed the software. this is why there is a whole section in the ToU about this exact thing, and also why for the most part, 3rd party programs are a bad idea.
And you're right. Of course you're right. But I believe people who have realized it's dumb, and who have corrected their mistakes, should be given at least a second chance. Like toxic players, with chat restrictions, ranked bans, temp bans, and THEN perma ban. This system has worked perfectly and no on eis complaining- so why did they deviate from it this time?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: And if that's the response you got, it means they've verified that you were banned correctly. And no, they won't be able to disclose what you were caught using, as this information would be used in order to avoid detection in the future, and assist the developers of 3rd party programs to update their tools to avoid future detection.
Of course. Never said it was bad. What do you make of this whole fiasco, anyways? Do you think it's just? Do you believe all of us who are saying we uninstalled a long time ago? Give it to me straight m8.
Illazuel (EUW)
: That is what you leave yourself open to when you install a 3rd party program. You know what else is a 3rd party program? a virus. I could sit here and speculate all day about what the virus might do or might not do, but instead, ill just not install the virus to begin with and negate the entire problem of determining what effects it may or may not have.
I completely agree, and in all situations it's a bad idea. It's too bad I was dumb back then, and tempted by all those free skins.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Nor have I ever said it is perfect, which is why I let people know to send in a ticket to support to appeal the ban, as that will lead to an unban if it was a mistake. I've never claimed Riot is perfect. On the contrary; I criticize them on things I disagree with. I'm not forced to speak positive about Riot.
Never said you were. Just voicing my opinion on what I was seeing. Not here to pick a fight, just saying that I think the treatment I've personally received is unfair, and many people have experienced that same, and even more agree with us. Look at the poll. Anyways, my ticket got answered with the usual "we cant give evidence" copy pasta, so I'm gonna have to try and give all the evidence against their claim myself.
Mr Struggle (EUNE)
: This is new to me, to see a wave of bans like this one, and I'm rather surprised about it. I feel sorry for all of you, hope you get your accounts back
Illazuel (EUW)
: but the mere fact that it COULD be true. Not saying it IS true, but it COULD be the case and riot hadn't picked up on it until more people started using it. One possible scenario, although I think its more likely that the vast majority of people who were banned, if not all of them, were in some way cheating.
With no evidence whatsoever, only speculation, I could say that maybe aliens did 9/11. Anything COULD be true, but with no evidence, I'm inclined to think it ISN'T true.
Fewell (EUW)
: Losing your accounts is excessive for using a program that simply altered champion appearance but I can't imagine why any of you would think that Riot would have been cool with your use of this program.
None of us do, that's why most of us here have (or atleast claim) to uninstall as soon as we were warned by email.
Mr Struggle (EUNE)
: I used it for a month last August, but I haven't gotten no warning nor permaban. Hope it doesn't come for me :P
My friend is the same. You're one of the lucky ones. Take this as a lesson to never download it - or any 3rd party software - again.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: I just don't believe in conspiracy theories that don't hold any evidence to suggest that there's the remote possibility that they're true. No evidence, no belief. Simple as that.
I agree - but you shouldn't just dismiss people's accounts and experiences that easily. It's different with conspiracy theories, but with something like your experience with Riot support, you can't just blindly ignore all criticism and just say that it's perfect. I've never personally had any problems until now, but I don't think you can just dismiss people's accounts like that.
King Coma (EUW)
: I think this is just going to have to be one of those lessons that sucks.. :( You won't make this mistake again at least
Of course. You can bet I'll fight for my account. But in the end, if it all fails, at least there's a lesson learnt.
Illazuel (EUW)
: IF they have a way to know that people only used it for skins, and for all i know, that is a HUGE if, but IF they did have a way to know that people weren't cheating, there is still the potential issue that your program caused lag for others when they were playing against you in ranked play, which is an unfair advantage that effected not only your elo, but theirs as well, and on quite a large scale since there were lots of people running this addon. My personal belief is that it did create lag, probably because after talking about it with you for so long, i feel like many people i reported for drophacking were probably just using this program for a skin. However, it doesnt change the fact that when i would go near them to fight them i would lag for a good second or two, which is an eternity in league, and might as well be a cheatcode. edit: I feel like this is a good explanation of why you should not alter your game client. this is exactly why its a bad idea, the fact that what im saying about it creating lag could very well be 100% true means that you could be unintentionally cheating. one of many reasons to not alter your game client, especially if you arent the one who is actually altering it.
I mean, that would be pretty bad, but In played a few customs against friends like hide and seek, etc and they never complained about lag. And to my knowledge, the software was all local, nothing serverside. If it was, riot would have banned immediately I think. Edit: just double checked, it looks like there's no known reports of anyone associating mklol with drophacking or causing lag for anyone except the user himself.
: I think we deserve a punishment, but banning us permanently for using It to try some skins, is too much. I play for 4 years, and I dont have money to be buying skins, finally we got a system now that allow us to get some skins for free with hexctech crafting, and It solved my problem. But knowing that I got permabanned will probably make me never buy the game again, cause I invested too much time on my account to all go to waste just like that.
Completely agree- but rather, I think they should take a second look at the people who ahve stopped using this software a while ago, and maybe cut down their ban to a couple of weeks.
King Coma (EUW)
: hang on.. you didn't stop using it immediately when you got the email? you waited weeks?
Mostly because as a 15 y/o, I didn't bother to check my spam email regularly. I uninstalled it when I found the email, which was 1 or 2 weeks after they sent it.
: I think we deserve a punishment, but banning us permanently for using It to try some skins, is too much. I play for 4 years, and I dont have money to be buying skins, finally we got a system now that allow us to get some skins for free with hexctech crafting, and It solved my problem. But knowing that I got permabanned will probably make me never buy the game again, cause I invested too much time on my account to all go to waste just like that.
Don't give up, friend- the game is good, that's why we're in this thread to give us back our mains.
Illazuel (EUW)
: Maybe this will help you, look at this way. Pretend that your league client is a house and that installing that program into your league folder was the equivalent of hiring a contractor to work on your home. (legally speaking this is 100% accurate) You elected to hire a contractor that you: -Have never met -Don't even know their name -Have no idea what they are qualified to fix and or work on -Have no idea what work they are actually performing -Have no idea what the COST will be Not a particularly smart idea, even if you were only using it for skins. Edit: not to even mention, you are renting the house from riot, and you do NOT have their permission to perform ANY rennovations to the home. I hope this clears up why you were banned.
Now, it's so obvious it's a dumb idea. I completely agree that it was dumb. That's why when I was warned, which was shortly after I started using it, btw; I stopped. Now, whether you think my perma ban is still justified, that's fine. That's your opinion. But my opinion is that maybe they should take a second look at people who haven't used this in months, and maybe just ban them temporarily?
Illazuel (EUW)
: yeah, im sure it was, just like earlier you were saying it was just the skins. oh, and by the way, even the timers are not allowed unless they were put in by riot, doesn't even matter weather or not they exsist in game. Edit: even if this was somehow legit, be a good boy like the rest of us and wait for riot to put it in the game. There is a reason why there is specific language about this in the ToU, 3rd party programs tend to create lag, which is not nessesarily welcome in a competitive online environment where said lag could be an advantage in and of itself. You yourself said that their program was buggy and inaccurate. wonder why riot would have a problem with a program that doesnt even run properly on its own.
Publicly, they had a problem with it because it has features which were unfair. But in my opinion it was mostly the fact they gave free local riot skins to people, which you could do via custom skins anyways.
Illazuel (EUW)
: Threads like this one make me glad I owned a game genie as a child. I learned real fast why cheating in a video game is not only wrong, but zero fun. What is the point in playing if you aren't actually playing? Might as well be watching a movie at that point, which is what I do instead of being a gigantic coward.
You're making it seem like we were scripting. It was skins, and timers on your minimap for your buffs, dragon, and baron. At the time, these were against the rules. Now, they're part of the game. The timers were often buggy and inaccurate, which led to most people (me included) to turn it off.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: You're using other peoples counter-arguments as proof to what Riot is saying. **That's** the part that's wrong. You can't ask random people to provide you with the answer Riot would give you. Random people will never speak for Riot. --- You haven't provided any proof. You've provided claims, which doesn't prove anything.
Okay. Would you like me to send you all of my past LoL folders from when I used MK, and the ones from my new computer? Would you like me to send you the receit showing I've recently purchased a brand new computer, with no altered files, meaning I haven't used nor installed MK in these past few months? Is there any additional evidence I could send you that could prove my story to be true? I'm legitimately desperate. I really don't want to just throw away an account that I spent so much money and time on.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: But that doesn't make it true.. What people spread around as rumours are still just rumours. They don't hold a basis in reality. They come from a small group of players that spam the message around so much that others start believing its true. Ever heard of the claim "NA gets free RP when their server is down"? That's the exact same thing; an untrue rumour that's been spread around so much by a group of players that others think it actually is true.
Okay, so if you don't believe their counter arguments to my proof of innocence, then that's great. It means I can tell people that you told me these arguments are false. If this is the case, what do you think of the proof I've provided? Also, I find the "Na got free RP" especially funny, because it was actually EUW who got the free rp in season 1.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Can you show me screenshots of those replies from support?
No, not replies from support, I said "people". Support hasn't answered my ticket yet. It's answers I've gotten from boards, and reddit when I try to convince people I'm innocent. Edit: I see where the part I said "I uninstalled it like you told me to" might have been confusing, It wasn't support answering these questions.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > So you're saying that even though the moment I got the E-mail telling me to stop using it, I did, there can't be any proof because even if I uninstalled it the files may still be changed. I haven't said that. --- > And then even thought I have proof of no MK files in my game for the past 2 months, this isn't enough to not get me banned, because there's evidence that I once used the program? MK isn't the only tool you can use that can get you a permaban.
It's the only tool I've ever used, excpet for LoL replay when it actually worked. I'll copy and paste my story so you can give your opinion on the chances I have of getting my acc unbanned: 7 months ago, I got the email notifying me to remove this software. I did. Yesterday, I get banned. I go and tell people, hey, there's been no MK activity in these few months, can I get unbanned? I removed it when you told me to. Their answer is: Well, since you used itl, the files are permanently changed, and uninstall it doesn't change them back, so you have no evidence of not using it! ANd I say: Well... I do have evidence of unaltered files within these past 2 months. Does this help to tell you maybe those months inbetween I didn't actually use it, since the moment I changed hard-drive, the files weren't changed? And they say: Nope! You see, even if you didn't use it after the e-mail, you still used it once, so the ban still stands! May I also point out the only warning I got was an email, I didn't get any more emails, or any temp bans like some people who kept using it, maybe hinting that there was no MK activity between those months? The worst punishment on this acc befoire the perma ban was a 30 game chat ban. I understand that they have every right to ban me for using this software. What I don't understand is; why would they go through the trouble of telling me to uninstall through an email 7 months ago, OR ELSE I WILL GET TEMP BANNED FOR A FEW WEEKS. Then, after 7 months of not using this software, I get perma banned. This is what I don't understand. If they had perma banned me form the start, it would have been like "yeah ok, I broke their rules, that's fine." But after 7 months of playing legitimately with friends ive bonded with, they ban me without notice.
Illazuel (EUW)
: What you aren't understanding is that riot told you not to alter their software in ANY way when you installed it. Terms of Use are fairly easy to understand and are pretty much universal for any game. If you don't know what the terms of use state, i would suggest you read them sometime for ANY game you own. They all state that you are not allowed to alter the game files, and that doing so can result in exactly what happened to you. Edit: if you want to look at another game, lets take world of warcraft for example. Blizzard is KIND enough to give out a list of approved programs for their game. Riot does not do this, nor should they be expected to. Even so, according to the terms of use, Blizzard could, if they felt so inclined, ban everyone who used 3rd party programs, EVEN THE ONES ON THE LIST. it is by the good grace of developers that people are allowed to use these things in the first place, when it gets abused, this is what happens.
I understand that they have every right to ban me for using this software. What I don't understand is; why would they go through the trouble of telling me to uninstall through an email 7 months ago, OR ELSE I WILL GET TEMP BANNED FOR A FEW WEEKS. Then, after 7 months of not using this software, I get perma banned. This is what I don't understand. If they had perma banned me form the start, it would have been like "yeah ok, I broke their rules, that's fine." But after 7 months of playing legitimately with friends ive bonded with, they ban me without notice.
: > [{quoted}](name=Monsue,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T16:22:08.623+0000) > > Here&#x27;s a copy and paste of one of my recent comments: > > I literally changed computer some odd months ago. If you know anything about files, or anyone here does, I will gladly post my entire LoL folder, and also my old ones from the hard drive of my old computer, so you can see that in the past 2 months, MKLoL hasnt been used in my computer. > > I will even show the receit of my new computer, along with the dates my computer shows LoL was installed. I&#x27;m willing to cooperate 100% to show you that I haven&#x27;t used this since October 2015. Here, I first asked you if you had it installed, you said you did, then you mention this, while now you claim you didn't.
7 months ago, I got the email notifying me to remove this software. I did. Yesterday, I get banned. I got the email notifying me to remove this software remove this software >implying I had it The copy paste was originally a response to a comment saying that even if I had uninstalled it, the changed files are still there. I never claimed I didn't install it ever. I claimed I uninstalled it the moment I was warned by riot to do so.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: The system that takes the evidence and inspects it are human beings. Sure, your account can get flagged automatically, but it is reviewed and banned manually. When even Rioters confirm that every case they recheck based on what players have written to make them sound innocent have turned out to be justified, I simply can't believe that the system isn't working as intended here.
Would you mind answering the questions I gave you, if you aren't too busy?
: > [{quoted}](name=Monsue,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=000b0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T16:35:28.123+0000) > > I did uninstall it, but people say &quot;Oh but even if you uninstalled it, the LoL files are still changed!&quot; So how can someone who uninstalled the program do anything about that? You just said that you didn't, you had it for 4 months until you changed your computer, wut.
Please find the quote where I said that I was using it for the past 4 months.
Illazuel (EUW)
: Lets see if this makes sense to you. Riot banned people based on HARD EVIDENCE of them using 3rd party programs to alter the game software. You are CLAIMING that you did not cheat. see the difference? You cheated. You got banned. End of story.
I'm not claiming I didn't cheat. I'm claiming that the moment that they sent me an email warning me that using this software wasn't okay, I stopped using it. Then, 7 months later of not using this software, I get banned. Also, I've copy pasted another post I've made giving the whole story, just incase I skipped anything: 7 months ago, I got the email notifying me to remove this software. I did. Yesterday, I get banned. I go and tell people, hey, there's been no MK activity in these 7 months, can I get unbanned? I removed it when you told me to. Their answer is: Well, since you used it, the files are permanently changed, and uninstalling it doesn't change them back, so you have no evidence of not using it! And I say: Well... I do have evidence of unaltered files within these past 2 months. Does this help to tell you maybe those months inbetween I didn't actually use it, since the moment I changed hard-drive, the files weren't changed? And they say: Nope! You see, even if you didn't use it after the e-mail, you still used it once, so the ban still stands! May I also point out the only warning I got was an email, I didn't get any more emails, or any temp bans like some people who kept using it, maybe hinting that there was no MK activity between those months? The worst punishment on this acc befoire the perma ban was a 30 game chat ban.
: > [{quoted}](name=Monsue,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=000b0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T16:35:28.123+0000) > > I did uninstall it, but people say &quot;Oh but even if you uninstalled it, the LoL files are still changed!&quot; So how can someone who uninstalled the program do anything about that? You just said that you didn't, you had it for 4 months until you changed your computer, wut.
Okay. Let me start again. 7 months ago, I got the email notifying me to remove this software. I did. Yesterday, I get banned. I go and tell people, hey, there's been no MK activity in these few months, can I get unbanned? I removed it when you told me to. Their answer is: Well, since you used itl, the files are permanently changed, and uninstall it doesn't change them back, so you have no evidence of not using it! ANd I say: Well... I do have evidence of unaltered files within these past 2 months. Does this help to tell you maybe those months inbetween I didn't actually use it, since the moment I changed hard-drive, the files weren't changed? And they say: Nope! You see, even if you didn't use it after the e-mail, you still used it once, so the ban still stands! May I also point out the only warning I got was an email, I didn't get any more emails, or any temp bans like some people who kept using it, maybe hinting that there was no MK activity between those months? The worst punishment on this acc befoire the perma ban was a 30 game chat ban.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: They wouldn't, but they would also not be the reason for the punishment. We went through the exact same thing with the last big ban-wave for 3rd party tools, where players using a tool to be able to zoom out more than intended were getting permabanned for the first time. First they claimed they weren't using it, then they claimed that they thought it was ok, then they claimed it didn't give them an advantage. The vast majority of players don't use any 3rd party tool to gain an advantage ever. These are the players Riot want to cater.
So you're saying that even though the moment I got the E-mail telling me to stop using it, I did, there can't be any proof because even if I uninstalled it the files may still be changed. And then even thought I have proof of no MK files in my game for the past 2 months, this isn't enough to not get me banned, because there's evidence that I once used the program? What kind of proof do you want? I've offered everything I can that points towards me being innocent, yet it's all invalid because I used it once 7 months ago, and I'm getting banned now that I've spent hundreds on skins?
: > [{quoted}](name=Monsue,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=MtkNkRsA,comment-id=000b00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T16:31:45.074+0000) > > But I didn&#x27;t use it, I deleted it, and if people are saying &quot;well you still had the altered files!&quot; then how the hell can I prove that I wasn&#x27;t using it in those months except saying I wasn&#x27;t? As I said it probably runs something in background when you play league, you were not aware of it, why didn't you uninstall it in the first place? Especially if I know that it's not legal to use now, I don't need that on my computer.
I did uninstall it, but people say "Oh but even if you uninstalled it, the LoL files are still changed!" So how can someone who uninstalled the program do anything about that?
shnideda (EUNE)
: I cant even open a new acc cause i might get banned again for nothing at all.. btw the amuont of ppl with the same story as me is realy high, and yeah i belive some of them lie but not all. maybe you should check the system that taking the evidence and inspects it because i know for a fact its not working properly and many others will get banned for that in the near future. thanks for taking the time to answer, im giving up now (:
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