Lantami (EUW)
: >It's very unrealistic to be 100% civil in a competitive game like League. You don't have to be 100% civil. It takes a lot of toxicity to get punished. >By the way, in case you don't know a lot of the time they skip the vhat restriction waves and just suspended them. An instant suspension doesn't happen unless you say something really bad. Oftentimes a player was chat restricted some time before and just didn't get rehabilited to a lower stage of escalation by the time they are punished again. This can lead to the perception of an instant suspension when in reality it was just the normal escalation of punishment. If neither of those is the case the suspension was possibly an error and can be changed to a CR by the support. However the support is not obligated do so and will likely not help if a player shows toxicity while communicating with them or they perceive it as such (as far as I know; I could be completely off the mark with this one, though). >Perma-Chat restriction They tried that one, it didn't work. People just started trolling more when they couldn't flame anymore. >skin suspension That one would only work on players that purchased skins, punishing paying players harder than non-paying players. Riot wants to have a punishment system that punishes everyone the same, whether they are paying players or not. If you want more information regarding player behavior, you can read up on it in the [player behavior knowledge base](https://en.volu-eu.org/library.php), a collection of information and sources collected by the volunteers.
Well, I do understand that, but I do think they should come up with a different less harsh penalty system. A straight up 14 day suspension without even maybe a 2 and a 7 day before it, just seems really really harsh to me.
Lantami (EUW)
: >It's sad that nowadays you get banned for some much less than before. Well to be honest, you were really toxic in this game. But it doesn't seem enough to warrant an instant 14d ban. Did you get a 25 games CR recently (except the one being issued instead of the 14d ban)? What exactly "recently" means differs based on your played games and your behaviour in those games. >Guess the only solution to stop this from haplening is just stop communicating in-game and having my ENTER key unbind. Or you could stop writing toxic stuff and only communicate when you have something productive or nice to say. You don't seem like someone who enjoys flaming and I think you are able to better yourself. A good rule of thumb here is asking yourself "Does this sound like something a jerk would say?" or "Would I like to get this message from someone else?" If the answer to the first one is "Yes" and/or the answer to the second one is "No," you probably shouldn't write it. I get that you can get frustrated, especially when a team mate is really bad or you are getting flamed yourself. But flaming (back) only increases tension in the team and doesn't help anybody, especially not yourself. Just ignore them (or mute and report them if they flame you) and move on. If you can't do that, insult your computer screen instead. As long as you don't write that stuff you'll be fine. Also personally I find it an even better release to trashtalk idiots aloud than to write the stuff. Edit: spelling, words
I didn't get the 24 chat restriction. This is my 6th account, I already got 5 perma'd. I never got banned until a year ago, where light flame started being really punished. I'm pretty sure back in the day only really hard flame was punished. The only solution is unbinding ENTER, I've tried to reform, I just can't, only takes me a bad day IRL, a fight with my gf, a bad work day and a few bad and uncooperative teammates and I go bananas on them. Also, I don't see this game as VERY toxic, I would say it's mid level toxic, more passive aggressive attitude than actual verbal abuse. I don't know, maybe I'm just an idiot. I play the shotcalling role most often and I'm pretty good with decision making, when I see obvious things that we should be doing and my teammates fail to just listen to me. I snap. I really don't want to get perma'd cause I don't like buying accounts or levelling ALL the way to 30. I don't want it to make me quit League again. Because I know I have potential to get high ELO. I always have high win rates and climb fast.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: Yea, I was only talking about banrate of toxicity vs inters/trollers. To be fair, you said they are not punishing trollers. I don't know how their system actually works and I don't think you know either unless you work at Riot. That point only tells us that it's harder to ban every troller then every toxic player. That doesn't mean Riot tries equally as hard to ban both of it. If you don't agree, you have to actually show some proof for that. I think the system could be better, but I'm pretty sure the try to ban both.
Hm.. yeah I do get what you are saying. I do agree with you in most of what you typed. But the main point I'm trying to get across is just how the system works and how it could improve. I love Riot, I think they are honestly of the best gaming companies till this date. But that doesn't make them perfect.
Hansiman (EUW)
: It isn't harsh though. It takes **a lot** to get punished for verbal abuse. The first penalty is a 10 game chat restriction, the second penalty is a 25 game chat restriction. The penalties don't come from a single game. It comes from a trend displayed in your behavior when interacting with other players. It simply means it's just far too common in ones behavior if you're being punished for it. If these waves of chat restrictions don't get the player to improve, they'll get a 14 day ban together with a final warning indicating that they have to improve. If they still don't improve, what else should Riot do? If you can't treat other people civil, multiplayer games aren't for you.
That's something I talked about in the post. It's very unrealistic to be 100% civil in a competitive game like League. I don't think they should expect that much from their players. By the way, in case you don't know a lot of the time they skip the vhat restriction waves and just suspended them. I also think they should bring other punishments into the system. Some examples I thought myself of: Perma-Chat restriction, skin suspension (maybe making you unable to use skins you bought for a period of time), maybe some others are possible but I honestly don't recall any right now.
Shamose (EUW)
: > I've seen streamers calling other teammates words such as "R3tard", "Idiot", "Degenerate" and other passive aggressive expressions Are they doing it in-game though? Riot has no authority to ban people for insulting people on a a stream.
Oh.. I forgot about this but they actually do, they just don't care enough about it. Remember the old Groos Gore ID ban and Twitch ban? He accused Krepo of violating a 14 year old girl verbally on stream and Riot banned him? That is called authority.
Lantami (EUW)
: Normally it shouldn't be possible to get 2 punishments with no games in between. I'd suggest you contact the [support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us) regarding this matter. Always remember to be friendly and patient with the support even if you get an automated message at first to increase your chances of being taken seriously and getting your point across. Edit: spelling
Already did contact support and they told me the chat restriction was an error. I was supposed to get the 14 day suspension straight away. So.. yeah. I'm kind of lost now, got no more games to play, or stuff to do when I'm home for 14 days. Cool. Guess the only solution to stop this from haplening is just stop communicating in-game and having my ENTER key unbind. It's sad that nowadays you get banned for some much less than before.
Hansiman (EUW)
: If they're verbally toxic, they risk being kicked out of the partner program as well I'm sure. Honestly, if you have evidence that a streamer is misbehaving ingame without being punished for it, contact Riot support, and have them look into it. As long as there are streamers that get banned, even permanently, for their behavior, your entire claim of them not being punished is simply wrong. --- > If what you say about it being run by player reports, that makes no sense, people report for fun nowadays, just because their mad, I imagine how jungle players feel. Since well, if it goes bad, x9 the jungler. And yet we don't see a wave of false punishments, indicating that these reports either don't happen, or are filtered away.
Regarding your second part, I do agree with the fact that false punishments are rare, but my problem with the system isn't false punishments, it's how harsh penalties are for how common and understandable the crime is. Maybe it's just the way I was raised or something, but calling your teammate a "braindead idiot" isn't something out of this world and I don't think it should be punishable to an extent. Maybe it's also just the way society is now, very sensitive, anything can be taken towards a toxic or wrong way. I don't think it's a wise choice to permanently ban a player just because he got mad in a 30 minute match and called his bot lane %%%%%%ed. It just doesn't make sense to me, that you can have such a low consideration for that player's time and money spent into that account.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nídhøgg,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8RyXGfEy,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-25T16:37:41.640+0000) > > Hello, to start this off I would like to note some points I'm going through in this post: > (More topics maybe be added in the future) > > · **Streamers Influencing Toxicity** but taking no consequences for it; > · Punishing Toxic players but not Inters and others; > Do you have statistics to back it up or is this just anecdotical proofs and how it "feels" (whatever that means)?
Well, most of the stuff I talk about when related to streamers you can find yourself just by google'ing or watching their stream for a couple of hours. About punishing toxic players and not inters/trollers. That has always been the case, because Riot's system is able to detect toxicity A LOT easier than inting or trolling. That's just because of the nature of how their AI works.
Hansiman (EUW)
: The difference in league with severity is how long it's tolerated/forgiven before a penalty arrives. If you're using extreme verbal language, then penalties may come very swiftly. For the worst types of offense, a player may be given a 14 day ban together with the final warning for just a single game of misbehavior, while this would never happen for cases of mild toxicity. So sure, the penalty levels may appear the same, but obtaining them is very different. --- > I know that there has been streamers that got banned and such, I'm not saying otherwise, but I believe they are a lot softer on them most of the times The penalty system for verbal misbehavior is automated and run by player submitted reports. This system doesn't reckognize streamers.
No, but it might recognize Unlocked accounts, which all the main streamers own 3 of them. If what you say about it being run by player reports, that makes no sense, people report for fun nowadays, just because their mad, I imagine how jungle players feel. Since well, if it goes bad, x9 the jungler.
Mada (EUW)
: They usually say that on stream instead of writing it in game.
> [{quoted}](name=Mada,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8RyXGfEy,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-25T17:21:28.553+0000) > > They usually say that on stream instead of writing it in game. They do say it on the in-game chat sometimes.
Hansiman (EUW)
: That's not evidence to prove your claim. If a player is intentionally feeding, they risk the same punishment regardless of who they are. Being a big streamer does not give them special rights when it comes to rules. There's been plenty of big streamers who's been banned for their ingame behavior, so that already disproves your claim they don't get punished. > When there are people getting perma-banned for lesser stuff daily. Just because you can find someone who did something worse, it doesn't mean that lesser violations shouldn't be handled. If everyone could use that excuse, there would literally only be one person you could punish; the one that would be the absolute worst. Everyone else could just point at that person and say they're at least not as bad as that person. Apply it to real life as well: Should the police not arrest people that break into peoples homes to rob them, because there are others that go around stabbing people?
Yeah, I agree with you when it comes to the second part of your response. But in the police side of things, they would of judged the 2 people differently, maybe the robber got 5 years in jail and the stabber gets 10. In League it doesn't feel like that. I've seen instances where people go bananas in a game (maybe because they had a bad day or smth), don't end up saying anything too wrong, maybe they call someone an idiot or give up on the game, stuff like that and they end up perma-banned. While a person that says really f'ed up stuff related to pedophilia, racism, homophobia even freaking rape and such. Just get perma-banned as well. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've tested with friends, I've had friends say really stupid stuff in-game and not get banned, even to extreme levels. Meanwhile other friends call someone else a r3tard for inting their match and they get banned. Now, in regards to the first part of your response, I know that there has been streamers that got banned and such, I'm not saying otherwise, but I believe they are a lot softer on them most of the times, I was actually just searching on youtube for instances of this and you can find them yourself. I literally just saw a clip of Yassuo telling his teammate that he was a braindead idiot and that he should uninstall, meanwhile no punishment.
: Cause it's not a sport to report people in high elo. Feels like that half of the game I'm lower elo.
True, I do feel like in higher ELO people don't really report each other as much mainly when it comes to toxicity, so they just come out of it with no scratches and just a pat on the back. I've seen people get perma-banned just because they got reported a couple of times within 20 games. Which makes no sense, I believe getting suspended for 14 days is such a harsh penalty for just 1 or 2 games that you just lose it mentally. It's normal to have bad days and bad games.
PH45 (EUNE)
: > The viewer would get banned or at least suspended in some shape or form, but Yassuo would just keep being him, why? Because he is partnered with Riot and just gets the Streamer Privilege. Streamers accounts are just as vulnerable to punishments, as other players. Tyler1 got a chat restriction just a bit before the last season ended, IWD has also received punishments since you can occasionally find him on an account with honor level 1 etc.
They really are not, I've seen IWD literally intentionally feed on stream and nothing happening to him. Getting a simple chat restriction now and then is a very light penalty. When there are people getting perma-banned for lesser stuff daily.
Shamose (EUW)
: > I've seen streamers calling other teammates words such as "R3tard", "Idiot", "Degenerate" and other passive aggressive expressions Are they doing it in-game though? Riot has no authority to ban people for insulting people on a a stream.
In-game, I've seen a lot of behaviours that I just don't know how they are getting through.
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: http://prntscr.com/mpl4xb oh boy that's alot.
> [{quoted}](name=TheGuilty Minion,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EcAHeaGp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-24T22:53:47.843+0000) > > http://prntscr.com/mpl4xb oh boy that's alot. It is a lot of words, but that doesn't get me banned to my knowledge. Typing a lot ain't a reportable reason, what matters is what you type, not how much. Also, I would like to note that most people assume I'm trying to appeal for a removal of my suspension. I'm not, I'm definitely guilty and I have a toxicity problem. What I'm appealing is the fact that I got 2 suspensions without any games in between them. Which doesn't make sense, the whole point of the first suspension "The 24 game Chat Restriction" is too make me go like - "Oh shi- , I need to get myself together and reform." I wasn't even given that chance.
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