: Not every feeder's match history looks like this, that's what makes it difficult.
it's still incredibly shameful that the feeders that do have this match history still don't get banned.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: > Can we even report these? Yes. In general you can report ANY kind of (anti) social behavior you disagree with. And this particular behavior is also reported by other people and is often part of the chatlogs of punished players. > but "he" didn't flame and "he" wasn't toxic. Being toxic = being a jerk. Behaving unsportsmanlike IS being a jerk. So yes, saying gg ez is toxic. > As i know right some "other" games has a system for filtering out (or trying to filter out) these words and it punishes the player who said it. So does Riots system. Well, it doesn't censor it, but it punished bad behavior automatically as long as at least one player reported it (more reports are not necessary and change absolutely nothing).
being toxic is being toxic. being a jerk is being a jerk. they're not synonyms. please stop throwing around the word "toxic" so lightly. it makes it lose its value. i do agree that 'gg ez' is unnecessary and should be punished though.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > I'm saying this because it caught smoeone it shouldn't have AND hasn't caught many others it should have. The problem with this form of observation is still that you don't see the total amount of people it catches correctly, because very very few of them will make posts about it. The ones that gain traction in the community are the false positives, or those that haven't been caught for some reason. All the other ones that do actually get punished are for the most part ignored. --- If you see a player that's managed to dodge FeederBuster, send in a ticket. Support manually looks into these cases, and the data provided by these accounts can be used to improve the system in the future. Support do handle reports like this.
It doesn't matter if Support handles reports for these cases or not. The fact that players can go hundreds of games trolling and feeding and avoid punishment unless they make it to the front reddit page or on a youtube video is a clear indication that the system just isn't good enough.. Surely players like the Tahm kench troll and 100% winrate Master Yi SHOULD have been banned by the system alone, but he wasn't. Sure, maybe it's hard for the system to catch a troll if he does it in a "smart" way, but surely in those 400+ games he was reported in the vast majority of them.. do manual reviews not get triggered whatsoever? Another indication that the system is at fault. While we can't blame the AI, we can surely complain that an X (great number) of the same report category doesn't tigger a manual check that gets the player banned without having to make a ticket. I do understand what you're saying, we obviously focus on the ones that weren't caught or the false positives, but this doesn't erase the fact that the ones who haven't been caught for "some reason" is preposterous.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
no you're right, but I'm not saying it just because it caught someone it shouldn't have. I'm saying this because it caught smoeone it shouldn't have AND hasn't caught many others it should have. Very blatant ones.. that's the only issue I have with the system. False positives I can live with. But when people HAVE to be banned because it's so obvious and they dont then.. we have a problem.
: even worse, you can flame someone all game long, but if you edit words as f*ck to fudge, the bot that checks your report will overlook it, so you wont get banned. that is probably why so many toxic players get away
not sure about that though. i think the system can account for editing words "smartly".
: unless we have the actual numbers. you can't say its "trash" and be 100% sure about that.
Erm yes you can. It's called power of observation and common sense. Maybe "trash" is too far, but inconsistent, unreliable, and inefficient are all a fair assessment of how well it does its job.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
C'mon, it's the truth. Riot themselves said dealing with trolls and feeders is OBJECTIVELY hard to do for the system. So yes, its inefficient and unreliable of a system. It's just the truth. I'm not attacking anyone. Just stating a fact. When I see the system work well enough I will stop thinking this. Until then, it is what it is. It's good that the OP got unbanned.. and if he were truly innocent I had no doubt he would. My concern with the system is pprecisely the opposite. Players NOT getting banned when going 0/20/0 for HUNDREDS of games. It is inexcusable. I am sure they got reported for hundreds of games, SURELY it should trigger a manual review even when the system doesn't pick it up. No excuses for the system not to catch these players. And I don't want to see players getting banned for 1 or 2 INT games when these other sort of players don't. Some consistency please.
: Because one person got falsely banned, means its "trash". Please.
it is trash lmao! there's players going 0/20/0 for hundreds of games IN A ROW, and don't get banned. then someone gets banned after one or two games of inting. and in this case an INNOCENT player gets banned off ONE game (where he didn't even int). The system is indeed trash, inconsistent, and unreliable. The only "good" thing it can do is ban flamers, and even there it's highly inconsistent. Players can get banned for using certain slurs after a couple occurances for example, while others can say it hundreds of times and don't get banned. Inconsistent.
: Amazing system. 10-2-15? Int feeder. 0-20-0? Hes just having a bad game.
Yeah the system is just pathetic and too inconsistent. It's sad, really.
: You know champions with more AP than AD will do bonus damage to towers based on their AP? Any mage with a few ap items will demolish a tower. Haven't you ever seen champs like Viktor with a lich bane half hit a tower with an auto? If anything, lategame they kill them faster than even ADCs.
except he was talking about first blood tower... so your point is void (correct, but irrelevant nonetheless).
: > [{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=WMiauJL9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-07T09:58:42.962+0000) > > 2) yes, but it happens alot more and rather easily with Jinx's rockets. That is because it is the slowest long range aa there is. But that's not my point. This generally needs to be fixed and is not a special "jinx-bug".
I agree, but it still a more prominent issue with Jinx's rockets. But yes, it's true it has it to be fixed in general
: 1. her q "does" nothing it just changes her attack style 2. phantom/ghost attacks happen on every adc as you would know if you played others... (and they are very annoying) 3. attack tower with your minigun, its faster. And if you are just doing some chip damage it is perfectly fine that there is no huge Aoe otherwise it would be broken
2) yes, but it happens alot more and rather easily with Jinx's rockets.
: Wait what? Videogames become more serious every year. If you said this in 2010 ye sure but people made playing and creating videogames their job.
he's clearly talking about the average league player who should be playing the game for fun and not because it's their job. people who made videogaming their job and their life is a vast minority.
: Well I'm not gonna try to convince you, I believe you're able to decide if League is good for you or not. If you're not having fun here anymore, this might be a good time to quit. But if you still enjoy the game, like you said you do, I think you shouldn't see this as the end of the world ... You snapped and said some nasty things, that surely was a mistake, but it doesn't have to dictate the future. In a few months, this won't mean anything. Your account won't be marked forever, people won't treat you differently because of a past mistake. --- You can learn from the mistake and improve instead of dropping everything because it went wrong.
I agree with this. Those were some really nice words and advice you offered him.
Yang Hyun (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shmoeggle,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tJQ62qW1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-03-27T22:46:41.632+0000) > > That's what someone in my friends list keeps telling me. He keeps saying and I quote "The game is already decided when you press Accept". I really dislike it being this way as I do want to climb but like stated with the players it's getting out of control. > > What does one do, apart from mute..? nothing,you really need to be lucky by having good teammates,because plat is the real elo hell, i've been there and i know perfectly how it goes,that's why im staying in silver,because i really have fun in this elo :D
so you intentionally lose games to stay in silver because you have fun in that elo? otherwise you'd climb. Not sure I'd be proud of that.. no offence.
Masantha (EUW)
: Hello UK Players!
Why hello only to UK players? That's racist bro. Joking! Welcome to the community. I feel for ya on the awful weather, lived in England for quite a while. Back in Italy where the weather is much better. Everything else is terrible down here though haha! Where in the UK are you from? (if I can ask) Good luck with your work and I hope you're enjoying it so far!
: The history of Zeal items
of course they need to remove those buffs because not only were these items buffed but they are also extremely cheap and a huge power spike. they should be nerfed or have their cost increased.
: Well, i don't know about that. If my LoL password has been stolen, what else could be compromised? You never know... BTW: where can i contact riot support?
: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm i admit, it wasn't my best as i was in a hurry when i posted the original comment XD
Raistlin (EUNE)
: Can someone report me so that admins or mods read this entire thread, i will call you all cancer ,you have a reason to report me now. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Otherwise admins are too lazy to read complaints and tell devs to do something about report system notifications and continue improving it as it sucks right now. Durring the last week a player threatened to kill my family, and rape all of them while they are dead, i was matched with that same player once or twice after i reported him, never got notification he was banned. There is also one player named KY0SNlG*ER ..among other hundreds of toxic names, they play daily and produce toxicity even before the game freaking starts.
won't work. they'll come here and delete your comment but wno't join the discussion lmao. nice try though, 10/10 for effort. EDIT: there's also a player called IGGER and has an N in his icon.. saw it on a youtube vid lmao
Raistlin (EUNE)
: Only loophole is for some very mysterious reason Riot refused to disclose notification amounts are reduced by like 99% Its like unicorns now. You see one you know shit has gone down, but you just dont see them around.
sorry, i don't understand what you mean lol.
: if you want to scare people you must enforce a harsh punisment, meaning you must be 1000% sure that the one you are punishing actually deserves it otherwise you end up with people demanding apologies and the immediate unban, faulting the entire system. problem is, how exactlyu are you going to find those people? either have a small team that looks at recorded games ( watching the same one 10 times, once per player) and then they decide if someone is bannable or not (highly impractical and time consuming) or hire hundreds of people to spectate the game directly/watch the recording later, still too expansive. also, thanks for flaming in a post about bannable players XD
using caps or swear words isn't flaming... people really should stop throwing around the word flame so easily. it actually makes it lose its value. same for the word toxic.
Raistlin (EUNE)
: So just becouse you are no longer matched with him or that player goes on vacation you think you got him banned. Pretty sure yesterday someone on these very forums wrote down, they use several accounts and people thought he was banned while he decided to play another one becouse of skins. Oh right check comment bellow too. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
You clearly didn't understand what I said at all... If you report someone and shortly after get a notification, do you have to be a genius to realise you got that player banned? Especially if you don't usually report people often, the few times that you receive a notification it will be rather obvious who got punished. Like c'mon. Simple.
Raistlin (EUNE)
: So you have higher powers? Do you look at palms as well o.o Since Riot removed notifications about bans im all rainbows all the time {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
It doesn't take higher powers or for you to be a genius to add 2 + 2 and find the answer... It's simple and intuitive most of the time. Notifications that are not being handed out all the time anymore doesn't change this.
: you realise the notifications don't tell you which one of the people you've reported in the past got banned, right?
alot of the time it's intuitive to know which player you got banned... unless you report loads of people all the time.
: If you have a shitty bronze attitude and call everything "OP AF" that ever beat you in this game then you can never be wrong, at least from your subjective point of view. Objetively you are wrong the moment you judge a champion without knowing the exact abilities and numbers. So even if she will be OP, you are still a moron if you say it now.
: Nice attitude {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
hes probably not wrong tho
ojxblock (EUW)
: logged in just to comment on how amazing your comment is
you logged in to let us know you logged in to comment no how amazing his comment is.*
: >you literally said that to my first comment. My bad. I wrote "person" and you've written "player", that's why when searching for your quote it didn't show up. So kinda wrongly quoted. Not to mention that my initial statement, which you've responded to in the first place, contained the phrase "They ban both, if they catch them", followed by what you've acknowledged as well... >I'm sorry but one thing is having a system that is better suited to catch chat abuse - which would be fair enough, I can agree there. ... that Riot's system is better at catching chat abusers. So calling a system, that correctly catches and punishes a great number of perpetrators, trash simply isn't doing it justice. I never claimed Riot's system is perfect, but it's doing a good job, because what you are wishing for is pretty much impossible to do. At least nobody has come up with a viable solution to track down inters and trolls. People are complainig all the time, yet I have yet to see a system in any game who does a extremely good job at tracking down any kind of perpetrator. Instead a great deal of people accuse Riot of being imcompetent without acknowledging the extreme difficulty of creating a reliable feedback system.
I agree with you, but I'm sorry.. I can't trust and put my faith in a system that is based on "IF they catch them". C'mon man, someone goes 400 games (more than that actually) by trolling and inting and the system couldn't detect him until he went viral on the web? :O Like, really? I'm repeating myself I know, but that's not even all of it.. people can get banned off ONE INTing game man. How can a system be SO inconsistent and bad at the same time? How can it trigger for someone off one game and others go 500000 games unpunished? Obviously it's hard to come up with a viable solution. They're obviously more qualified than myself in this area. I just expect them to have come up with something by now. Like someone building mobis and zeals and going 0/40 is OBVIOUSLY a troll. The system should be able to pick that up.. yet it doesn't man. So there's this that they should be able to do.. we should expect them to be able to do this without being unfair towards them. Also, it's their policy as well that causes problems. "People can have a bad day or a bad game". Basically as long as you're not toxic consistently you can avoid punishments. The problem is when applied to INTers, how does Riot's algorithm or whatever judge a player's match and deem it to be just a "bad game" and not INTing? THAT'S the issue. Not even in bronze players go 0/40 with clear troll items like tears and mobis and zeals and go 0/15 with barely any damage dealt. PLEASE tell me how a system isn't capable of analysing these data and banning them on sight? EDIT: like look, if someone trolls and INTs in a smart way, builds normal, just perma fights and jumps in 1v3 and "tries" to do damage, then fair enough if the system can't pick him up. Unless he gets tons of reports and triggers a manual review he prob wont get banned. I can live with that. But people who run it down mid with troll items and have 0 dmg dealt should be able to be detected. And HEY if there's a false positive then they can get unbanned by Riot Support. I'd rather get unjustly banned for INTing and not be able to play for a couple days until Support unbans me than having to deal with trolls. So I wouldn't mind a harsher system.
: > [{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sN6Ab5w9,comment-id=0003000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-03-15T14:49:33.141+0000) > > You were not clear enough since you said "still the inting player is GETTING banned". > (Which means you believe the system worked when I clearly stated that these players with HUNDREDS of feeding games only get banned because they reach Reddit top page and gain a spotlight. It's a joke that this "system" can't catch these cases on it's on. THAT's what you didn't understand from what I said.) > > NO, THEY'RE NOT GETTING BANNED. THERE'S HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS THAT INT THEIR FACE OFF AND DON'T GET CAUGHT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS SIMPLY INADEQUATE. > > It's not just a case of the system being better at banning abusive chat behaviour. > The system is simply trash at dealing with inters and trolls - an observable and objective fact. > And not only this but as I already told you not only is the system bad at catching trolls and inters but it's highly inconsistent as well. So it's just a whole mess every way you look at it. > > Nuff said... ----- >You were not clear enough since you said "still the inting player is GETTING banned". Show me were I've said that? You are using quotation marks, so that means I literally must have used those exact words in exact that sequence. So either you don't know how to properly quote a person, or you are intentionally quoting me incorrectly to weaken what I've said, which pretty much takes away all your credibility and any further point you'll make can be disregarded.
you literally said that to my first comment. I'm not quoting you incorrectly. You adding afterwards that the system is better at catching chat abuse does not discredit what I've been saying this whole time, and neither does it erase the fact that you stated that the players are still getting banned for it - which they aren't as I already explained in the majority of cases. You still said that statement and it's wrong. Cus the player who "still got banned for it" only got banned for it because he gained "fame" by reaching reddit and youtube, etc. He was manually banned, not by the bad automated system. I'm sorry but one thing is having a system that is better suited to catch chat abuse - which would be fair enough, I can agree there. However, another thing is having a system that couldn't even catch the guy I've talked about and MANYYYYYYY others like him.. And then.. like I said before, a random player can get a 14 day suspension for ONE inted game. The system is inconsistent at best, and completely trash at worst. IDC which one you pick, but it's obvious the system isn't working well enough.
: How was I not clear enough? I said both, abusive chat behaviour and inting gets banned if caught. The system is simply better at banning abusive chat behaviour Nuff said...
You were not clear enough since you said "still the inting player is GETTING banned". (Which means you believe the system worked when I clearly stated that these players with HUNDREDS of feeding games only get banned because they reach Reddit top page and gain a spotlight. It's a joke that this "system" can't catch these cases on it's on. THAT's what you didn't understand from what I said.) NO, THEY'RE NOT GETTING BANNED. THERE'S HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS OF PLAYERS THAT INT THEIR FACE OFF AND DON'T GET CAUGHT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS SIMPLY INADEQUATE. It's not just a case of the system being better at banning abusive chat behaviour. The system is simply trash at dealing with inters and trolls - an observable and objective fact. And not only this but as I already told you not only is the system bad at catching trolls and inters but it's highly inconsistent as well. So it's just a whole mess every way you look at it. Nuff said...
: > [{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sN6Ab5w9,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-03-14T14:29:39.622+0000) > > hahaha nice joke. > > there's clear evidence of players having OVER 400 INTing games and they didn't get banned until it made it to the top of the reddit page and it blew up. > > The system clearly doesn't work well enough. Still the inting person is getting banned. The system is simply better at banning abusive chat behaviour.
how was i not clear enough? The system is absolutely trash at catching INTers. There's TONS of players going around with hundreds of legit intentional feeding games and go unpunished. Then somehow someone INTs once and gets banned. This shows that not only is the system bad at detecting intentional feeding but it is also extremely inconsistent. Nuff said...
: >Riot strikes again, banning normal people for nothing instead of that guy who is running it down mid 10 games in a row or wishing cancer to people... They ban both, if they catch them. In this case OP quoted the trigger words, which caused the system to ban him.
hahaha nice joke. there's clear evidence of players having OVER 400 INTing games and they didn't get banned until it made it to the top of the reddit page and it blew up. The system clearly doesn't work well enough.
: People consider EVERYTHING to be flame
yeah, the word 'toxic' and 'flame' are thrown around wayyy too easily. They lose importance.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: report calling is punishable and means u lack knowing how report system works.
wrong. It's not punishable in itself. it's situational. Riot said it themselves when they updated/clarified their stance on it last season.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=frappe moi papa,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=v1W0th44,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-12T19:34:41.064+0000) > > 2 yes it is frustraiting but lets say Dyrus has 2 accounts What's the point of having 2 accounts?
- to test yourself to see if you can climb up again - banned players - players messed up their mmr for one reason or another and decided to start fresh - new server - long time since they last played and don't feel like they're at the top level their main account is at - streamers do challenges and stuff for views (also similar to the first point) - high elo players dodging games for some reason and not having to wait for ages to find a game I can go on.. and they all look like valid reasons to me.
Wen294 (EUW)
: http://orig02.deviantart.net/c998/f/2016/146/6/3/finebard_by_kuglu-da3ul5m.jpg
https://youtu.be/4aEAmIHwm9A?t=46s let it burn
: Yes, RL problems > League but OP's quotes in his reply really make me question the severity of said gf problems. If something bad happened you either wouldn't reply at all and just quit or at least apologize and not say "They are flaming me LOL" and "Enjoy your loss". I'm the last person to complain if you have to leave the game because something bad came up all of a sudden but if you have the time to write bs like that in chat I highly doubt that it was serious enough.
yeah i get what you mean but the person i replied literally said " You can't make your team loose cause you have problems with your gf", regardless if the problems with the gf were true or not.
grHustler (EUNE)
: Unacceptable for me if in rank mode. You can't make your team loose cause you have problems with your gf. There are people trying to promote and you waste their time and effort.
..... IRL problems > your ranked games.. sorry bud. You've got your priorities wrong.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
fair enough. times change though, maybe it'll be different next time! ;) (probably not haha)
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I agree hitting them in the wallet is a good approach but you'd still be hitting them in the wallet by giving them a lengthy ban, and making them realise that they'd be cut off from their precious account on which they spent money on for longer than a measly 2 weeks might actual help them reform better than with the current system. I DO understand that people should get the hint after getting a 2 week ban, but I also know that humans are... dumb or just won't learn. Giving them a longer suspension might make them see the light easier - that's just the way I see it. I'm not saying that your point of view is wrong because it certain makes sense though!
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If it's true that they don't care about longer bans then they don't care about perma bans either.. They just make new accounts and have nothing left to lose and probably act worse as they're "mad" now. True though, moving a problem from one queue to another wasn't the best idea, but it at least made the players that really wanted to Rank fix their behaviour. Just like it could make players that don't want to lose their account fix their behaviour once they are forced to stay away from it for a whole year. All I'm saying is that 2 weeks ban ---> permanent is a huge gap. Either increase the 2 weeks ban or add another tier. I'm not saying to remove the fear of a perma ban, but add another layer or increase the temporary ban so they truly realise what they might be losing. 2 Weeks is nothing...
: If people dont realize what they do wrong and start improving after their 14 day ban they wont after a 1 year ban. They dont want to reform so RIot shows them the door.
Don't pretend like a 14 day ban has the same effect as a 1 year ban please...
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
What you're saying is true but also slightly misleading IMHO. The chat restrictions that could stack up was indeed silly. But stopping people from playing Ranked and stuff like that was actually good. Worked with a few of my friends! Also, Riot never really had longer ban periods to test with properly. 1 Month, 3 Months, 1 Year, etc... Skipping from 2 Weeks (which is NOTHING, it's way too short of a punishment) to a Perma Ban is a HUGE step. Also, having a system based on escalating punishments with such a gap between them is really bad. I'm all up for having the "threat" of a Perma ban hover over toxic people's head but having 2x chat restrict > 2 weeks ban > perma ban is a joke lol.. Either you add another tier like 1 month/3 months/1 year, or you only reserve perma bans for things that truly deserve it. And c'mon, to some people having to play on another account or quit the game for a whole year while their account with all the skins and stuff is banned is a real deal. Let's not pretend like a 1 year ban wouldn't make a difference..
: Q : "How do you deal with teamates who ban your own pick?" A : "i just pick another champ" This answer to OP's question; this is relevant.
I was clearly talking about the 2nd part of his comment which was a jab to one trick ponies for absolutely no reason. and wanting to play a specific champion doesn't mean you're a one trick pony in the first place. My point stands.
Rondö (EUW)
: Last season i end with ~60 chests (rewards for S). If my teammete ban my pick — i just pick another champ. I have zero respect to 1trickpony's who start troll/flame/feed in game cuz teammate ban his only one champion. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
that has no relevance whatsoever. the issue is people shouldn't be banning a teammates pick to troll or to be a %%%%.
: well she is poke chmpion. All y have to do to outplay her go all in, and dont wait untel she e and q some one.
Sorry for the correction but I wouldn't say she's a poke champion at all. Poke champions are meant to poke and "slowly" wittle down people's health bars. She just 100-0s them. Can she poke? Yeah obviously, but that doesn't make her a poke champion.
: Im not missing the bigger picture just taking the blow in ranked is probably worth it just to save forcing a bunch of people to lose the game I made another post where I advised to shoot for it in normals in ranked it'd be much better for your time if you just take the role he had and report him if he keeps being a moron he will probably get banned not to mention hes probably going to flame like nobodys buisness anyway
i see your point and it's definitely fair. i just guess we gotta agree to disagree though. i still think its better to not let the bully get away with it. especially because letting him get your lane doesn't necessarily mean you'll win the game. EDIT: also the banning system isn't that good. it's much harder for riot to ban trolls if they don't use chat.
: going for option 1 means you may be in ranked and taking a pretty much garenteed loss in lp just to teach someone a lesson doesn't seem worthwhile Edit: your going to report them anyway so in that case you go for the win if they int their asses off well they would of inted bot lane anyway
you're still missing the bigger picture. he got away with it and will keep doing it until he'll realise people won't allow him to. It's that simple.
: "I'd rather have a toxic teammate than a bad one"
yes because you can mute them lol
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