: well sadly you come to the wrong place, this place is full of riot white knights and normal people like you and I really have no place here
Exactly, I really have no toxic intent, but people here always treat you like a criminal even for very small verbal offenses, while research shows that 92% of people do this occasionally.
: Well, that's what happens to the reactions of the people you come across when you're in the position of thinking that retaliating to bad behaviour with more bad behaviour and wishing suicide on others is a good idea. Perspective is an intriguing thing, isn't it?
: Given that pretty much everyone else has been saying basically the same things that I've been saying, that should be something of a hint that it isn't _us_ who don't understand. After all, we're not the ones who were banned.
You guys are way different from the average League of Legends player.
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YP41HaI9,comment-id=000300000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-10T17:12:24.771+0000) > > Why is it that people can spam the chat endlessly with stuff like 'idiot' and '%%%%ing noob'. But that in ONE single occurrence using the word %%% twice gets you an instant 14-day ban. Because you wished for someone to take their own life. Again, it's actually pretty alarming that you don't understand why _that's_ treated with a much higher degree of scorn than insults like the example you gave. > I was the victim of bullying here and didn't want to deal with it. Yet you _did_ end up dealing with it by responding in the worst way possible, and thus becoming just as bad, if not worse than the supposed "bullies". That is why retaliating is not tolerated here, whether or not it _does_ involve telling people to commit suicide. > When on a school a victim finally hits his bully he gets a different punishment, however riot chooses to disregard all context. Funny that, almost like this is an online game with an anonymity factor and a wider range of different age demographics involved..._not a school_. And for the last time, having a reason to tell others to kill themselves does not change the fact that you told others to kill themselves. That's why they "disregard all context". If you're going to continue using that excuse, I'll be completely convinced that you care less about showing yourself as a case study for the system being flawed, and care more about whinging and moaning because you can't accept that you got rightfully punished for saying something legitimately horrible in the chat. > It is a bad system, they don't know what they are doing. They punished you because they saw you retaliating. They know _exactly_ what they're doing, because they understand that two wrongs don't make a right. Unlike you. You only say it's a bad system because you got caught.
You just don't understand. Ah well.
: Phase of banned people. 1) Negation: I can't be banned! 2) Rage: whine on the forum. 3) Negotiation: trying to find a solution, forgiving, or alternative punishment. 4) Depression: I am really banned! 5) Acceptation: make another account.
Sympton (EUW)
: This is so delusional (report)
The system is indeed bad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YP41HaI9,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-10T12:43:42.575+0000) > > No it didn't have that meaning in this context. I don't know what I said, you guys are saying I said that. You are basically saying, "I didn't tell someone to kill themselves in a chatlog involving two occurrences where I tell someone to kill themselves". Who are you trying to fool here? Us or you? Or don't tell me you genuinely didn't know what "k y s" meant at the time, yet still felt inclined to use it anyway? Remember children, this is why you _don't_ use acronyms that you don't know the meaning of, lest you run the risk of getting your intentions misinterpreted by the majority! > 3 lines of toxicity in 2 years giving me an instant ban is unfair. You told someone to kill themselves. To everyone in your match, it looked like you told someone to kill themselves. The fact that people interpret it that way is on _you_. You only say this is unfair because you got caught for something that was your fault. Stop making excuses and accept that you did something wrong, lest you repeat this same "mistake" and wind up with a permaban. > Riot has no idea what they are doing. Sir, that's a mirror you're talking to. Riot are over in the other direction.
Why is it that people can spam the chat endlessly with stuff like 'idiot' and '%%%%ing noob'. But that in ONE single occurrence using the word %%% twice gets you an instant 14-day ban. No I don't think that is fair at all. Especially considering the situation. I was the victim of bullying here and didn't want to deal with it. When on a school a victim finally hits his bully he gets a different punishment, however riot chooses to disregard all context. It is a bad system, they don't know what they are doing.
Sympton (EUW)
: my post means everything. they are enforcing a stupid utopia policy which will never work. we are all different, we all have emotions, we all think for ourselves and we aint all 3 year old gullable kids. no football, no hockey, no other gaming company is as strict as riot.. not in my 25+ years of gaming experience have i seen anyone as much as riot defend these christian kids so so badly. the context matters EVERYWHERE in life, just not here at rito.. its silly, imagine judges, jury, court that would neglect evidence, kids that punches a bully back gets punished and more.. no, i dont believe in this policy.. and will never either, i cant believe in something that i dont agree with and is plain silly.
My thoughts exactly, thank you for clarifying Sympton
: You said "keep yourself safe" (original one censored) and that 2 times. You normally should get a permban for that like others got (or they did something before that), be happy about that. But I'll keep it short. {{champion:77}} Lata
That makes no sense. Permanent bans should only be given to players that are very toxic and in a lot of games, and even then it is questionable.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
If he put tremendous amounts of effort in setting up those other banks and making them profitable the bank direct might excuse him for that one misstep and not sue him.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
That's not what I said. I said riot doesn't care about good behaviour since they don't take it into account at all when punishing. Can everyone here stop twisting my words?
Rondö (EUW)
: RIOT, instead of permaban people for words like "noob" or "clown", teach your players to use MUTE BUTTON. Make guide, give them extra Blue Essence for using mute button, i dunno. Just stop banning people for words like "idiot"
Well said.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
The mute button doesn't. The mute button is giving them the last word and letting them win. You are forced to cut your losses because rito gets mad if you defend yourself.
: No. You told someone to kill themselves. Don't try making excuses, you _know_ you said scummy things in the chat window.
No it didn't have that meaning in this context. I don't know what I said, you guys are saying I said that. 3 lines of toxicity in 2 years giving me an instant ban is unfair. Riot has no idea what they are doing.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YP41HaI9,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-12-10T12:32:00.539+0000) > > I am very demotivated to not be toxic at this point. So why weren't you toxic before? Shouldn't it be because it's the right thing? Or are you "not toxic" because you want rewards? ######It's funny how you keep downvoting everyone that doesn't agree with you ^_^
Because it is the right thing. But riot obviously doesn't care about that since they ban me instantly for 14-day for one misstep. So now I am have become cynical and I will be a toxic animal in future games, cuz who cares? Riot obviously doesn't.
: but other players aren't your friend
True, but considering my teams behaviour I knew I could use a word like that without them interprenting any litteral meaning from it. The system should punish retaliation differently, the current system is unfair.
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=w0aEg6nA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-10T12:27:50.680+0000) > > Nah, system is bad, will instant 14-day ban you if you say a word on their bad list. Regardless of your history. Honor level 0 takes incredibly long to get out of aswell. May the league gods support you. Yes, because wishing death upon other people is not something anyone would tolerate. Try going outside and doing that to strangers. I'd like to know their reactions. ######example from your post#####
I actually use %%% all the time with my friends. The word has no value. I definitely know my team doesn't add any value to it considering they were using similar slangs themselves.
: Instant 14-day ban for defending myself?
Seriously 100's of good guy level 5 honor games all wrecked by 1 game of toxicly retaliation. What a bad system. I am very demotivated to not be toxic at this point.
LIG Gaara (EUW)
: Going from honor 3 to honor 0 because of a single game
Nah, system is bad, will instant 14-day ban you if you say a word on their bad list. Regardless of your history. Honor level 0 takes incredibly long to get out of aswell. May the league gods support you.
: You do know that 90% of the time flame goes on ingame is because of people arguing back? How are you different from the guy flaming you if you are equally flaming back? Obviously if I am the 3rd person I will report you both for ruining MY game with your bickering. 2 week suspension is absolutely right, gives you time to think of flaming other people or making use of the mutes button that Lol has given you so that you don't get banned (= See you on the fields of justice {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
It was barely bickering, I just said 'Lucian %%%% off' and then muted him.
GLurch (EUW)
: >'%%%' as in '%%%% off' Despite your intent, telling someone to kill themselves is not the same as telling someone to %%%% off and will not be read as the same. One will be read as a death threat, the other as telling someone to stop in a harsh way. >I was defending myself here against very mean people and I don't have any history of punishments or other toxicity. Defending yourself is not death threatening others. Defending would be muting and ignoring these people. Defending is not about inflicting harm on others, it's about stopping yourself from getting harmed. >%%% is such a common word on the internet, and using it twice in a defensive way in ONE game results in instantly getting banned? Yes, death threats are taken very seriously by Riot. If they were common, Riot would probably not punish it or not as harsh, since Riot bases the behavior they punish off of reports. If a lot of people report something, the system starts punishing it. Based on that, they also decide which behavior to escalate to an instant 14 day ban.
I see %%% so often in games. Don't know how the other half the playerbase isn't banned for using it.
: How is telling someone to commit suicide defending yourself?
I didn't mean it in that way I meant it as in '%%%% off Lucian'.
Rioter Comments
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: People need to learn that defending themselves and responding with aggression to aggression is something completely different. You can defend yourself, but you can't flame back. Those two things are completely different. In LoL you can defend in many ways: muting and reporting, only reporting, answering in civilized way. None of this will make you banned. But if you answer aggression with aggression, for the rest of the team, there is no difference between you two. You both are ruining game for others.
I get your point but you don't really understand: muting and reporting is running away not defending yourself. Answering in a civilized way is going to make flamers laugh at you. Example: _Miss Fortune_: 'Hey Olaf you %%%%%% learn to react to ganks you idiot', _Olaf_: Hey, could you please mind the language. I also had a hard time following that because of the big minion wave.' _Miss Fortune_: Haha %%% noob What I am trying to say is that responding in a civilized way isn't going to stop a flamer walking over you. Responding in a toxic way yourself might also not better things but atleast you can express your own frustration and emotions making being flamed less crappy. You should still not go too far then, but riot's policy of handling people that are defending themselves the same way as people that start flaming/trolling, is kind of unfair.
: Helpful and informative response there. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
What he is implying is that riot doesn't read champ select. Which is true, since riot doesn't read any cases, they have got an automated system that bans people for using certain words. In this example above no slurs were used so he won't get banned or punished. You can int quite often, afk games, hard bm people by stealing farm etc. As long as you don't use a slur you don't get punished.
Lsayu (EUNE)
: Now that's a shame. I like toxic people like you!
Ok so why are you hating all the time on me then if you like me?
Lsayu (EUNE)
: >no other game developer gives permabans because people rage. Yes. Riot is the first to actually enforce human decency because they saw it's ruining people's in-game experience. They are fucking heroes.
Actually only a small percentage of the community is bothered by flame. Most people flame theirselves or just mute a flamer.
Lsayu (EUNE)
: >accidently say it once in your rage ... >Yes it is, look at programs from people like Gordon Ramsey, or like all the MTV programs, they do it there all the time. It's normal to that if you are mad at someone. Your sense of normal is **screwed up**. Racism is common, but it's not normal, Sexism is hell of a common thing, not normal however. Et cetera, et cetera. You're exactly the reason why people are complaining about mass media perpetuating these stereotypes and hate. Not only you think it's normal, but you think it's cool, and appropriate when you "get pissed" because that's how "cool" people act. Disgusting.
I am against racism and sexims lol. Also I don't think racism or sexism is normal, all I say is that while raging you can say things you don't mean. You however are calling other people you don't even know 'disgusting'. While you don't know me you also said I think racism and sexism is ok, so you called me disgusting, you called me a racist and you called me a seixst withouth even knowing me. While you are accusing me of perpetuating stereotypes and hate, you are the one here acting like I am a rager kiddo (what is a stereotype since you don't know me, I might be a really mature and nice guy who just has anger problems) and also you are hating on. So not only are you are judgemental f*ck, you are also a enormous hypocrite.
Lsayu (EUNE)
: Hahaaa :"D Whatever makes you feel better dude.
I just don't like toxic people like you
Lsayu (EUNE)
: System made a mistake when they revoked punishment, you deserve a permanent ban. :) Hope you get one soon (which you will)!
I won't get one since I have disabled the all chat and barely use the anyways. Btw you are the toxic one here if you are gonna post these kind of comments. Reported this as offensive.
Lsayu (EUNE)
: I understand your frustration with dealing with us, but the least you could do while you're improving behavior is stop using ethnic, racial, sexist, homophobic slurs. That's the bare minimum. I think anyone can have anger problem, even if it's only in League of Legends and doesn't occur or affects your real life, but there is absolutely no excuse to use extremely charged words like you did in chat above. It's disgusting and in my opinion should be enough to ban you permanently, together with that "you're not welcome in our community, begone" message.
I don't use the chat anymore
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=F3EbG2xe,comment-id=000300010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-28T11:55:57.406+0000) > > http://puu.sh/jfVw4/e2adddb1fa.jpg > I don't know why you say you would lose your faith in your system. Ok yes I was toxic I also got a ranked restriction for 35 games and a chat restrictoin for 75. But because this was 1 game and I hadn't been banned before I shouldn't have been permabanned, that made me lsoe my faith in the system. However I love riot now again ^^ Because calling others "dumb fucking whore" and "spanish bastard" etc are clearly toxic things to say. A 14day ban for 1 game of extreme toxic behaviour is what the system is supposed to do anyway. Permaban beeing reverted, ok i can see that. But this error said "neutral" chatlogs got banned unjustly, not clearly toxic ones.. I mean, i dont mind that you can play again, but if the things you said are "neutral" now, i am not sure if any punishments are deserved anymore.
It was more the fact that it only were 2 senteces that were really toxic and only 1 game. Others that consistenly say these kind of things will be punished more severe. Anyways I have disabled all chat since it's only used for bm and when I start playing ranked again I will /muteall as soon as flaming starts. So I won't get punished anymore probaly. I always play normals with premades anyways so I've never been toxic there ^^
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=F3EbG2xe,comment-id=0003000100000001,timestamp=2015-07-28T10:27:56.416+0000) > > The new system did fail and did make a mistake. Since I just got unbanned, I don't know how or who unbanned me, haven't received any emails but the important thing is riot unbanned me. They didn't even give me a 2-week-ban for it all I got was a restriction what is a light punishment. So that means that I was right when I said a permaban was random and riot agrees with me to ^^ Calling someone a dumb fucking whore and other stuff you did there = toxic. I am just going to say if you rly got unbanned i am losing my faith in the system.. honestly.
http://puu.sh/jfVw4/e2adddb1fa.jpg I don't know why you say you would lose your faith in your system. Ok yes I was toxic I also got a ranked restriction for 35 games and a chat restrictoin for 75. But because this was 1 game and I hadn't been banned before I shouldn't have been permabanned, that made me lsoe my faith in the system. However I love riot now again ^^
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=F3EbG2xe,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2015-07-24T09:29:39.986+0000) > > I am not saying I am innocent. I am saying I got this ban automatic by the system because I was toxic 1 game withouth ever being suspended before. I deserve to get a chat restriction or 2 week ban but a permaban is just random if I get mad 1 game. > > Yours sincerely, > > Paladin of Faith A human would have made the same decision, man the things you said there are clearly extremely toxic.. Eventually it wasnt just that 1 game either.. The new system did not fail or make a mistake in your case, sorry.
The new system did fail and did make a mistake. Since I just got unbanned, I don't know how or who unbanned me, haven't received any emails but the important thing is riot unbanned me. They didn't even give me a 2-week-ban for it all I got was a restriction what is a light punishment. So that means that I was right when I said a permaban was random and riot agrees with me to ^^
: >"DUMB FUKIN WHORE" spanish bastard These two brilliant lines combined with you actually blaming and insulting pretty much every other 9 players in the game. Tell me why you should NOT be banned? Tbh, I think that 2 minutes was taking too long from the system, you should've been pretty much permabanned straight out of the game. And now, the best part. You told me in one of your comments that you "only said a couple bad words in the end game". You lied, pretty bad aswell. You broke so many rules in that one Chat Log alone, tell me why should we believe that this is your only time doing this? Why should we believe that you haven't been warned about your behaviour. Why should we believe anything you say anymore? You lied. You know it yourself. Still you think this was unjustified and demand us to believe you.
Believe it or not but I got unbanned :D So even riot doesn't think I should have gotten banned ^^ All I got now is a restriction what is a light punishment.
: Lyte doesn't do manual reviews on ask.fm Some people asked for it and he told them to contact him via email (just brows his questions and you will find his email addy somewhere, i can't remember it right now) to verify ownership of their account.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG, I got unbanned! I don't know how I or by who, but someone changed it in a 35 games ranked restriction and 75 games chat restriction! Not even a 2-week-ban just a restriction. I knew I didn't deserve a permaban! Oh btw about that not manual review thing, yh I also saw him respond on someone saying he should mail to lye[at]riot[dot]com and so I did too since he hadn't responded on my question yet. However I don't know if he unbanned me or someone working at the riot support. Anyways I want to thank you for not being so judgemental about me like many others at the boards did :c You actually helped me so thanks for that :3
: Update: My question got answered. It's still 5%. http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131091336130
Can you ask him for me?
GamerzX3 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Paladin of Faith,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7Z6lgb5B,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-27T17:19:22.302+0000) > > I agree with you that the new system of riot gives bans for flame waaaay to quickly. But first of all you call your teammates 'idiots' what is the definition of toxic. Also you have been suspended before so I would just stop using the chat before you get suspended permanently. And lastly premade flamers didn't get you suspended since if they both report you it will only count as 1 report. How can you deny that hard flamers and toxic provokers are not idiots? Im astonished of how naive some of you good guys are here, lol he deserves the "idiot rank" if he does that on purpose, dont say he doesnt... Like I said I stoped flaming so I would like to know why exactly was i susspended, because i did not flame...
Exactly this, even if you think they are idiots, then calling them idiots is still flame, regardless of them being idiots. I don´t think you should be suspended for it, but I would understand it if you got restricted or something.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Oh I meant 70 seconds xD
ItsMaz (EUW)
: And then there's the group that don't understand that swearing at everyone and flaming each game is ban worthy, and come here crying about their suspensions, lol.
It's not that, it's just that people now suddenly get banned while they have never been banned or warned before. Some people don't understand flaming is wrong. Others however do regret but don't understand why they get permabanned if they flame 1 game while never having been banned or warned before.
: 13/50? I turned around way harder games in the lategame. Maybe you should stop complaining about your team "wasting" time and start helping them. See it as a challenge. One mistake of your enemies can mean a turnaround- thus- a victory for you!
Indeed, I have won a 1/28 game once, and that wasn't because an enemy went afk. You can even win 4vs5 games. I only surrender if we are 4vs5 and losing badly since yes those games are unturnable. But also long as you have a bit of late game in your team you can always just ace them once and then turn the game. Especially if the deadtimers are like 70 minutes you can almost end instantly if you win 1 teamfight then.
GamerzX3 (EUW)
: Suspended for what? This system is broken
I agree with you that the new system of riot gives bans for flame waaaay to quickly. But first of all you call your teammates 'idiots' what is the definition of toxic. Also you have been suspended before so I would just stop using the chat before you get suspended permanently. And lastly premade flamers didn't get you suspended since if they both report you it will only count as 1 report.
: Update: My question got answered. It's still 5%. http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131091336130
What? When did you ask that question? I asked him like 3 days ago if he could review my case and maybe change the permaban into a 2-week-ban since people that were more toxic than me and also have been banned before also didn't get permabanned. And he still hasn't responded...
: Indeed so, all I can do is wait now and bet my luck on a second chance.
You will only get copy paste emails or you will be ignored. Sadly it is almost impossible to get your account unbanned :/ I would just make a new one and avoid all toxicity from now on.
: You normally don't allow for appeals for bans when you know your system has a 100% success rate, but it's not 100%, so i call BS on that.
Yep it is. They also don't really tell you why you was banned they just give you a chat log of your last game...
huckasex (EUW)
: cause they deserve it!
Stop giving nonesense answers please
JUSTKILL43 (EUNE)
: Yeah I agree they can be a bit harsh,but this post isn't about that. It's about the faultiness of the current restriction system. When they sit in base and move 5 minutes they may avoid the leaverbuster,but they can't avoid the players. I don't think anyone would want to risk being reported while they are currently restricted. It would probably lead to their ban and they know it.
I don't think afk report matter that much tbh, you really will have to get a lot to get punsihed for it. It's also just the fact that you can't just troll around and stuff and go ap gangplank mid and take all your jungler his camps. You really have to play serious to win. The downside of this is that normal draft now is filled with ranked restricted players that get mad when you lose. So they very few people that liked playing normal draft instead of normal blind now have lost their favorite gamemode...
The Blip (EUW)
: My behavior isn't in line?
Yep it sucks, as soon as you get chat restricted once you will keep getting chat restricted all the time. There are many people who haven't used the chat after getting chat restricted and then still got chat restricted again. However since a few months it got worse, instead of giving chat restrictions the system now gives 2-week-bans or permabans. Still fully automatic no riot employee looks at it.
JUSTKILL43 (EUNE)
: Ranked restriction discussion(Long post) [Tl;Dr at the bottom]
They don't want people to just stay afk in base and move every 5 minutes to avoid leaverbuster. That is why they want people to win their games, so people will have to do their best and can't troll or afk since it will only take longer then. I do think that 35 games is a bit too much though, a lot of people will almost be inable to play ranked for 2 months because you need to play averagly 70 normal drafts whichi all take (with champ select) about an hour. I also don't know why it has to be normal draft instead of just normal blnd. Draft takes way longer, and also is normal draft now filled with toxic people that get mad if they lose since they need to win.
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