Rioter Comments
Eagl (EUW)
: ADC is a dead role ?
I do think some roles are stronger than the other ones, but I believe it's possible to be good at any lane and carry.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kravixman,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6ZXfXw9F,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:06:32.234+0000) > > I would love to talk about it... but clearly you're a Riot fanboy and Riot will always stand behind you. > So yes sir. you're completly right, Im sorry. I don't need anyone to side with me to despise neurasthenic kids who somehow thinks that flaming random players in a videogame makes them tough guys or something.
It's not just about "flaming". It's pent up frustration. Yes, it's wrong, but it happends because we're humans and some don't have the self control. It's not an excuse and everyone should try not to get mad, but it happens. Humans aren't perfect, even when they try to be though.
Gloadra (EUW)
: My internet ping on PC is 15, my ping in-game is 75-115 (playable) ... but sometimes the ping spikes during the game up to +1000,not during the load screen and not before starting the match, I don't know how your method of programming will detect me !
> [{quoted}](name=Gloadra,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=JUipsUW8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:05:14.621+0000) > > My internet ping on PC is 15, my ping in-game is 75-115 (playable) ... but sometimes the ping spikes during the game up to +1000,not during the load screen and not before starting the match, I don't know how your method of programming will detect me ! > [{quoted}](name=Gloadra,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=JUipsUW8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:05:14.621+0000) > > My internet ping on PC is 15, my ping in-game is 75-115 (playable) ... but sometimes the ping spikes during the game up to +1000,not during the load screen and not before starting the match, I don't know how your method of programming will detect me ! As I said earlier: >"Okay, but there are times where people have a good ping when they're starting a game and then their ping suddenly gets worse. So what's the point?" > > Sudden failing of your internet connection can happen anytime, for example, due to your ISP maybe having a disturbance or a hardware failure in your neighbourhood. There is nothing this system can do about that. > > My suggestion is focused on the people who will for sure be AFK at the beginning of the game, due to having an unplayable ping or who weren't even being able to connect at all. > >I don't think this will fix everything, but it maybe could improve just a small portion of it. It's not towards players like u, because those things can happen suddenly. It's focused on the players who start a game with already having 1000+ ping. These kind of player wouldn't be able to connect to the game and will be from 0:00 AFK, resulting in a remake.
: Get rid of autofill
No auto fill = longer queue times. It just cannot be done, because LoL will lose players.
Rioter Comments
JustClone (EUNE)
: Man, last time... You have no excuse to blame your creep score on anyone but yourself. FOCUS FOR A MOMENT AND REALIZE IT. I play MOBA since Dota Allstars. And there I had to compete against 3 people to get the last hit. In LoL the competition for last hitting is totally in the favor of the adc. You literally have to "take" the cs. When I have to farm, I worry about that sneaky leona trying to engage on me when I walk in to take that siege minion. I worry about losing too much hp when exchanging auto attacks with enemy bully adc. I worry not to last hit too soon, to move the weave closer to their turret and become food for that enemy eve. THE LAST THING I CARE IS SOME SHITTY 50 DAMAGE AUTO ATTACK FROM MY SUPPORT. No matter how hard he tries, it wont put me 500 gold behind the enemy... while everything else I mentioned will. Literally. The last thing...
> [{quoted}](name=JustClone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T13:24:00.979+0000) > > Man, last time... > You have no excuse to blame your creep score on anyone but yourself. > > FOCUS FOR A MOMENT AND REALIZE IT. > > I play MOBA since Dota Allstars. And there I had to compete against 3 people to get the last hit. In LoL the competition for last hitting is totally in the favor of the adc. You literally have to "take" the cs. > > When I have to farm, I worry about that sneaky leona trying to engage on me when I walk in to take that siege minion. I worry about losing too much hp when exchanging auto attacks with enemy bully adc. I worry not to last hit too soon, to move the weave closer to their turret and become food for that enemy eve. > > THE LAST THING I CARE IS SOME SHITTY 50 DAMAGE AUTO ATTACK FROM MY SUPPORT. > No matter how hard he tries, it wont put me 500 gold behind the enemy... while everything else I mentioned will. > > Literally. The last thing... Ur delusional. When I last hit a creep, I calculate my hits. One hit too much and it's already at 0 before I can land my last hit. Like this makes miss soo much CS. No, I don't blame it entirely on my support. I'm playing a part in it too, but it makes last hitting harder. Supports should just lay off the CS, except if they have an alternative purpose in mind. Example: A melee creep has around 100 hp left. I take around 70 hp each AA. I decide to let my blue team creeps take around 40 hp of the enemy red team creep till it's around 60 hp, then when I want to hit the final blow, my support's AA takes the hp to around 10 hp. At that time, there are already 2 to 3 bolts from the caster minions flying to take away the last 10 hp. I hit my AA and the hp has already dropped to 0, missing my creep. Yes, one or two won't make me lose 500 gold ofcourse, but more of the similar can make me miss lots of CS. I don't see this happening in gold elo and up, but below, yes. The only way around this for me, is to always calculate the extra damage my support does to the minion creeps, only thing is, you never know when the support is throwing an AA or not. It's not consistent.
Fast Enough (EUNE)
: How is this player not punished?
Support cannot do sh*t for u. They only will sympathize and suggest u to keep reporting them. Best to let it go, it's not something I've seen once in this game. LoL is known for its toxicity.
JustClone (EUNE)
: Man, I do not know how to say this politely... But your main concerns when you are getting out-csed by your soraka support, should not be sending soraka to concentration camp, but getting better at your role. Stop for a second and try to realize this... I am support main, and I can tell you that bad cs score, comes from the incompetence of the adc in every single case. In those few cases, where I have been competing with my adc for last hitting, I can tell you that as long as he knows how to do it, I am no match for him. Even if I decided to burn through my mana to last hit, he would have 70-75 instead of 85-90. If anything, in those cases, what hurts us both is not the few hundred gold +/-, but the lack of cooperation. You cannot really win solo against opponents who are coordinated and play for each other... I really hope that you understand me well. This "its mine, I wont share" mentality is acceptable only if you are few years old. If you want to win, you need to cooperate.
> [{quoted}](name=JustClone,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-08-19T12:43:18.133+0000) > > Man, I do not know how to say this politely... > But your main concerns when you are getting out-csed by your soraka support, should not be sending soraka to concentration camp, but getting better at your role. > > Stop for a second and try to realize this... > > I am support main, and I can tell you that bad cs score, comes from the incompetence of the adc in every single case. > In those few cases, where I have been competing with my adc for last hitting, I can tell you that as long as he knows how to do it, I am no match for him. Even if I decided to burn through my mana to last hit, he would have 70-75 instead of 85-90. > > If anything, in those cases, what hurts us both is not the few hundred gold +/-, but the lack of cooperation. > You cannot really win solo against opponents who are coordinated and play for each other... > > I really hope that you understand me well. This "its mine, I wont share" mentality is acceptable only if you are few years old. If you want to win, you need to cooperate. No, it's not that. When I wait to last hit the minions and the support hits the minion instead, lowering it enough to make me miss the minion, it messes up my CS. Then when I ask the support to stop hitting the CS and they refuse to, it makes it worse. They're not taking it, but rather wasting it. There is no cooperation involved if supports keep mindlessly hitting my farm. Last hitting is so simple, you wait till the minion gets low (or you hit the minions) to get the and take the final hit, but it can completely be screwed up with the wrong support. Under tower for example, caster minions take: AA > TH > AA to get the gold. For melee minions, it takes TH > TH > AA. I have that knowledge, but my supports don't and they hit the minions without knowing. I miss alot of CS because of it. I know how to cooperate, but most cases, supports lack the basic knowledge of laning. No warding, no pinging, hiding behind the ADC all the time, no lane presence, mindlessly hitting minions, no wave management, engaging when the enemy laners have a huge wave of minions on their side. I can go on, but I know you get the idea. Yea yea, I am no star player, but I do have the knowledge in my favour.
Mada (EUW)
: I downvoted it after reading the title. After reading the content I wish I could downvote it again. You sound like one of those goobers who ping (aka "ask to be fullmuted") and move away when I help push for level 2 (3 melees of wave 2) or 3 (3 melees after first cannon)
> [{quoted}](name=Mada,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-18T16:18:46.903+0000) > > I downvoted it after reading the title. After reading the content I wish I could downvote it again. You sound like one of those goobers who ping (aka "ask to be fullmuted") and move away when I help push for level 2 (3 melees of wave 2) or 3 (3 melees after first cannon) Are you trying be cynical or serious? If we were in lane and you had to help me push in the wave to gain level 2, I wouldn't mind it. I rather lose 100 gold to get 600 gold from potentionally killing the enemy laners.
Forte (EUNE)
: If you believe that they deserve to be reported just report them for negative attitude. I get what you're saying but I think you're overstretching it a bit. Some people are just imbeciles that like to ruin games other might do it by accident or if they see you constantly miss your cs. As a supp main if I see that my adc misses their cs I won't just stand by, I'll start farming. If it is that frequent for you to have a supp that takes your cs it kinda seems strange to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Forte,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-08-18T17:51:59.518+0000) > > If you believe that they deserve to be reported just report them for negative attitude. > I get what you're saying but I think you're overstretching it a bit. > Some people are just imbeciles that like to ruin games other might do it by accident or if they see you constantly miss your cs. > As a supp main if I see that my adc misses their cs I won't just stand by, I'll start farming. > If it is that frequent for you to have a supp that takes your cs it kinda seems strange to me. **_"The only three situations I can imagine it would allowed for a support to take the CS, is either 1. the ADC is AFK, 2. the ADC is at base and 3. the ADC is inting and losing the lane hard. Besides those three reasons, they have no business taking the ADC's CS."_** Point 3 applies for you too. If your ADC puts you at a disadvantage, go for it. Also, I don't mind the support taking the kills. I would do the same if I saw my ADC missing alot of CS. Also, I don't mind it happening accidently.
: Huh! Stealing cs? It isn't anyone's property and I surely don't accept such a phrase. As a support main(mostly mage supports) I have got trolled in normals and ranked games by adc players because I had like 5-20 cs in first 10 minutes; strangely all these adc players were having like 0/5/0 and 40-50 cs in first 10 minutes. I see that they miss last hit and it literally goes waste, they're super cool with that. I have {{item:3303}} and yes I would take the cs that is going to be waste, even if it is going to delay my tribute gold or quest completion-this always makes the adc players mad. Idk how hard it is for adc players to understand that I am "getting" the gold they're are "letting" go; it is common sense but strangely it isn't seen in ADC players. CS lost due to auto-attacks or ability is a mistake, but if the support is collecting gold which they're not going to collect where exactly is the problem and why does adc players even think that all cs and kills belong to them? If I am correct, I think in high elo adc players go like 90+cs in first 10 minutes while trading/poking/fighting/avoiding ganks/going to base,.... and in comparison adc players in and around silver go like average 60 cs or lesser in first 10 minutes, dying many times, not trading/poking/pushing blindly into ganks. Total minion count in first 10 minutes is around 105 (maybe higher or lesser, not so sure of it) and if they're incapable of improving cs score, what's the harm if the cs they miss goes to support. Do supports don't need gold? or Are all the ADC players are going to have perfect cs score if supports aren't farming or hitting minions? Personally for the kills, I have had many games where I go 1v2, causing like 90-95% damage to opponents and till that point the adc players stand still to auto attack minions; towards the end they flash in/dash in to get the kill. I never cried/whined/flamed saying adc ks me because I know they're bad at farming and giving them gold is good. But if they fail to ks me, they act as if they did all the work and I took the kill. Why would I ks when I contribute so much to damage? Is the gold going to be more useful on me? Yes. Almost 75% of games I find ADC players doing nothing but farming and feeding. No vision(don't even use the free wards), dies instantly in team fights (bad positioning, bad builds), no help in objectives(be it turret or baron or drake taking 4-5 minions is more important than the objective) and lastly permanently pushing (be it laning or mid game or late game they go and push blindly). Don't get me wrong or get mad at me for saying this, I would simply prefer if the adc players learn how to cs and position properly before commenting on support (support type or cs or ks or no vision or no tanking or why don't you follow,....). Among all these annoying things, only consolation is seeing jungle getting blamed/flamed by multiple players and I think "_Wow! he is getting flamed by more cry-babies and he has to babysit more than me_".
> [{quoted}](name=maayonmaayan,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-08-18T17:31:17.731+0000) > > Huh! > Stealing cs? It isn't anyone's property and I surely don't accept such a phrase. > > As a support main(mostly mage supports) I have got trolled in normals and ranked games by adc players because I had like 5-20 cs in first 10 minutes; strangely all these adc players were having like 0/5/0 and 40-50 cs in first 10 minutes. I see that they miss last hit and it literally goes waste, they're super cool with that. I have {{item:3303}} and yes I would take the cs that is going to be waste, even if it is going to delay my tribute gold or quest completion-this always makes the adc players mad. > > Idk how hard it is for adc players to understand that I am "getting" the gold they're are "letting" go; it is common sense but strangely it isn't seen in ADC players. CS lost due to auto-attacks or ability is a mistake, but if the support is collecting gold which they're not going to collect where exactly is the problem and why does adc players even think that all cs and kills belong to them? > > If I am correct, I think in high elo adc players go like 90+cs in first 10 minutes while trading/poking/fighting/avoiding ganks/going to base,.... and in comparison adc players in and around silver go like average 60 cs or lesser in first 10 minutes, dying many times, not trading/poking/pushing blindly into ganks. Total minion count in first 10 minutes is around 105 (maybe higher or lesser, not so sure of it) and if they're incapable of improving cs score, what's the harm if the cs they miss goes to support. Do supports don't need gold? or Are all the ADC players are going to have perfect cs score if supports aren't farming or hitting minions? > Personally for the kills, I have had many games where I go 1v2, causing like 90-95% damage to opponents and till that point the adc players stand still to auto attack minions; towards the end they flash in/dash in to get the kill. I never cried/whined/flamed saying adc ks me because I know they're bad at farming and giving them gold is good. But if they fail to ks me, they act as if they did all the work and I took the kill. Why would I ks when I contribute so much to damage? > > Is the gold going to be more useful on me? Yes. Almost 75% of games I find ADC players doing nothing but farming and feeding. No vision(don't even use the free wards), dies instantly in team fights (bad positioning, bad builds), no help in objectives(be it turret or baron or drake taking 4-5 minions is more important than the objective) and lastly permanently pushing (be it laning or mid game or late game they go and push blindly). Don't get me wrong or get mad at me for saying this, I would simply prefer if the adc players learn how to cs and position properly before commenting on support (support type or cs or ks or no vision or no tanking or why don't you follow,....). > > Among all these annoying things, only consolation is seeing jungle getting blamed/flamed by multiple players and I think "_Wow! he is getting flamed by more cry-babies and he has to babysit more than me_". _**"The only three situations I can imagine it would allowed for a support to take the CS, is either 1. the ADC is AFK, 2. the ADC is at base and 3. the ADC is inting and losing the lane hard. Besides those three reasons, they have no business taking the ADC's CS."**_ Point 3 applies for you. If your ADC puts you at a disadvantage, go for it. Also, I don't mind the support taking the kills. I would do the same if I saw my ADC missing alot of CS.
: > Isn't that called roaming? You leaving mid lane to chase to jungler? Mid is still the role assigned to you, right? No, gold funneling strat was a strategy discovered last season and became so dominant (and was played in the pro scene so many times) that Riot had to nerf it by adding a penalty to jungler who have the most farm. It have the same concept as the duo bot where the point is to hard feed a champion and protect him so he can carry. It became very well known with the Master Yii/Taric combo (but can be played with any hard carry+ support). The second support (who's supposed to be a midlaner) ALWAYS stays with the jungler to help him clear faster and guarantee he wins in any fight against the enemy jungler. So it's not "roaming" but more of "open mid". If the enemy midlaner have good waveclear, he can perma push and get the tower. So you have an open midlane and no real midlaner (but a support for the jungler like the duo bot). The point of this is to help the jungler clear as fast as possible and he also pick the midlane farm whenever he moves there (but of course, tons of midlane gold and exp is lost) so he becomes super ahead and solo carry the game since he have tons of gold, clears his camps super fast, and can invade or do whatever he wants because nobody can stop him or contest. The support's role is mainly to add cc or boost the hyper carry jungler. You can basically call it duo jungle with open mid. > If the ADC agrees to share farm with the support that could potentially help win their lane, I don't see a reason for the ADC to report the support. My suggestion only applies to supports who refuse to stop taking CS from the ADC. My point is, the support don't have to take the Adc's permission because the farm does not belong to the adc. The "support" is free to do what he wants actually. It is just a commonly known strategy to let the adc take all the farm (same as the fullening strat) because people like to invest all their ressources into one champ and protect him to make him become a monster. Players are free to try or apply other strategies as they want. Nobody own any ressource and you can't force others to play your preferred strategy. So basically speaking, a player is free to play Darius bot lane and share your farm equally. You can't force players to play your way and ban them if they don't like it. The duo bot where one player farms and the other don't was called the Euro lane because it was discovered by europe and it was just experimented like any other strategy. Maybe in the future, there will be a completely different meta. Banning those attempts is like making the game die and stay in the same state without changing.
> [{quoted}](name=Doom emissary,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T14:56:30.149+0000) > > No, gold funneling strat was a strategy discovered last season and became so dominant (and was played in the pro scene so many times) that Riot had to nerf it by adding a penalty to jungler who have the most farm. It have the same concept as the duo bot where the point is to hard feed a champion and protect him so he can carry. > It became very well known with the Master Yii/Taric combo (but can be played with any hard carry+ support). The second support (who's supposed to be a midlaner) ALWAYS stays with the jungler to help him clear faster and guarantee he wins in any fight against the enemy jungler. So it's not "roaming" but more of "open mid". If the enemy midlaner have good waveclear, he can perma push and get the tower. > So you have an open midlane and no real midlaner (but a support for the jungler like the duo bot). > > The point of this is to help the jungler clear as fast as possible and he also pick the midlane farm whenever he moves there (but of course, tons of midlane gold and exp is lost) so he becomes super ahead and solo carry the game since he have tons of gold, clears his camps super fast, and can invade or do whatever he wants because nobody can stop him or contest. > > The support's role is mainly to add cc or boost the hyper carry jungler. You can basically call it duo jungle with open mid. My suggestion only applies for bot lane, but I know where you're coming from. > My point is, the support don't have to take the Adc's permission because the farm does not belong to the adc. The "support" is free to do what he wants actually. > It is just a commonly known strategy to let the adc take all the farm (same as the fullening strat) because people like to invest all their ressources into one champ and protect him to make him become a monster. > Players are free to try or apply other strategies as they want. Nobody own any ressource and you can't force others to play your preferred strategy. > > So basically speaking, a player is free to play Darius bot lane and share your farm equally. You can't force players to play your way and ban them if they don't like it. > The duo bot where one player farms and the other don't was called the Euro lane because it was discovered by europe and it was just experimented like any other strategy. Maybe in the future, there will be a completely different meta. Banning those attempts is like making the game die and stay in the same state without changing. Yea, I know, they don't have to, but they won't make it easier for the ADC to get fed. If the enemy laner does it and your lane doesn't, it will still put you at a disadvantage. I've played this game for a long time now and all I know from experience is that the support helps the ADC get fed. It also depends on what AP support champion you play in bot lane too. For example, Xerath, veigar, brand and Zyra will heavily benefit from the early gold advantage. Heck, I had games where I as ADC could go sit back and relax, because my support won lane solo. I allow it. All I know from mid/late game experience, is that when the ADC is behind due to the support taking all the CS and kill early game, it basically puts your team at being 4 vs 5 and that could be a huge disadvantage for your whole team. ADC are primary damage dealers and they need gold for their items. I mean, why else was the support role introduced? To get fed and be the carry or to support the ADC? I don't get the supporting part if they want to act like the carries of the lane. Also, certain meta's are mostly played by premades, so I don't see them reporting each other for taking the CS from the ADC.
: > Relic does indeed help and I have nothing against that, but AP supports get their source of income by poking the enemy laners, denying vision, taking assists and hitting the enemy tower. Yes, theoretically it is not against the rules, but that is exactly why I made this topic. In my opinion, it should be. Why should it be? The adc/support meta is just a strategy that players discovered and worked well. Players continually discover new strategies that benefit them like gold funneling (no real midlaner and jungler have a support) etc. According to you, leaving midlane empty and having a second support that follows the jungler (he won't have exp and will stay level1) is basically trolling and they would be banned. What if it's more optimal to share farm in the botlane on certain champs? How did Karthus even became a jungler if nobody tried that and if "not playing by the usual meta" was banable? Fun fact : in the Sona Taric meta, Taric farm for the first part, then Sona start farming after she completes her support item (she starts getting wards). So no, it shouldn't be bannable and players are free to experiment or do what they think is the best decision.
> [{quoted}](name=Doom emissary,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T14:12:15.072+0000) > > Why should it be? > > The adc/support meta is just a strategy that players discovered and worked well. Players continually discover new strategies that benefit them like gold funneling (no real midlaner and jungler have a support) etc. > According to you, leaving midlane empty and having a second support that follows the jungler (he won't have exp and will stay level1) is basically trolling and they would be banned. Isn't that called roaming? You leaving mid lane to chase to jungler? Mid is still the role assigned to you, right? > What if it's more optimal to share farm in the botlane on certain champs? How did Karthus even became a jungler if nobody tried that and if "not playing by the usual meta" was banable? > > Fun fact : in the Sona Taric meta, Taric farm for the first part, then Sona start farming after she completes her support item (she starts getting wards). > > So no, it shouldn't be bannable and players are free to experiment or do what they think is the best decision. If the ADC agrees to share farm with the support that could potentially help win their lane, I don't see a reason for the ADC to report the support. My suggestion only applies to supports who refuse to stop taking CS from the ADC.
Pixelbits (EUW)
: Can we please make CS stealing/hitting by the support a reportable offense?
So for all the people who downvoted, you would rather let the support take the farm from the ADC and make them lose bot lane? Are you people aware that this potentially could make you lose your game? I find it hilarious that some people have the nerve on this forum to complain about how unfair this game is due to the feeders, but then choose to help their support potentionally ruin their own game.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: In the true spirit of freedom of expression, there's no right or wrong, there's just lots of people disagreeing with you. Reason? Cause you clearly had a support steal farm from you recently and this is your way of venting it.
Yea, partly, but this also the reason why I made this topic in the first place. It's not just venting, but also the reason for this suggestion. This isn't just something from just "one game", but it happends alot and I bet not just to me. And yes, an opinion is there either to agree or disagree to.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Sure, roles work certain ways. But riot has never written any rules about roles and their jobs etc. We players kinda did that and now it's the norm. So while it's annoying etc, it's not really against the rules meaning that it ain't gonna be reportable And i mean.... If they have Relic shied then yes, they do help It doesn't really work fine tho. If you're having a conversation like this irl etc, what are you going to say? Are you just going to say "Him slash her" or something? That sounds really dumb. It's not really about being a perfectionist, just pointing out how dumb it looks and sounds when there's a better word for it all
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=b0bd85Xj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T13:24:06.778+0000) > > Sure, roles work certain ways. But riot has never written any rules about roles and their jobs etc. We players kinda did that and now it's the norm. So while it's annoying etc, it's not really against the rules meaning that it ain't gonna be reportable > And i mean.... If they have Relic shied then yes, they do help > Relic does indeed help and I have nothing against that, but AP supports get their source of income by poking the enemy laners, denying vision, taking assists and hitting the enemy tower. Yes, theoretically it is not against the rules, but that is exactly why I made this topic. In my opinion, it should be. > It doesn't really work fine tho. If you're having a conversation like this irl etc, what are you going to say? Are you just going to say "Him slash her" or something? That sounds really dumb. It's not really about being a perfectionist, just pointing out how dumb it looks and sounds when there's a better word for it all That is your opinion and that is totally fine, but even if you find it "clunky", I really can't imagine you not being able to understand me when using "him/her" instead of "they/them".
dino0 (EUW)
: Can i reprot ma adc, i had to babyssit is stupid plays during the game only for him to then start crying like %%%%ing kid when he dies and i couldnt save bcs he thinks he can 1 vs 5?
> The only three situations I can imagine it would allowed for a support to take the CS, is either 1. the ADC is AFK, 2. the ADC is at base and _**3. the ADC is inting and losing the lane hard.**_ Besides those three reasons, they have no business taking the ADC's CS.
Pixelbits (EUW)
: Can we please make CS stealing/hitting by the support a reportable offense?
Oh wow. It's funny when someone like me is telling the truth, but then get sh*t on by the community. I can see this is not done out of being "logical" or "reasonable", but rather out of being "cynical". Atleast give me some good reasons why you disagree ;-)
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I mean, you technically don't own the farm Nowhere in the rules does it say that supports aren't allowed to cs etc Also, it's not really that hard to use 'they/them' because 'his/her' just looks so awkward and clunky
Right, but roles work certain ways. The support is there to actually "SUPPORT" the ADC in the laning phase. Do you think that the support actually helps the ADC by taking the farm? Lastly, **him/her** works fine. There is no need to be perfectionistic.
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Gabresol (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pixelbits,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UBBkzbtL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-25T22:01:33.500+0000) > > Zoë ADC/support, one basic combo on Soraka at level 4 with MR, 70% of my HP gone. The solution is simple, dodge the skillshots, but heck you're getting punished hard for making one small mistake. > > I agree, Riot need to nerf the sh*t out of some champions. I think they should reduce mana over the board. Punishment for getting hit is fine, but Zoe should get punished for missing it as well. She should not be able to just spam it everytime she sees a 1% chance to hit and when missing act like nothing happens.
30% of my HP at level 4 is plenty enough for Zoë.
: Matchmaking is broken.
I saw a similar video where a Gold 4 Talon beat a mid diamond game. All I saw was kill chasing, but he lacked in macro play. I am nowhere near that elo, but heck, I know for sure that diamond is just more than chasing kills. I supported a diamond kalista main once, she wiped the floor with silver players in less than 10 minutes.
: almost everything is broken ,dont know what to ban anymore
Zoë ADC/support, one basic combo on Soraka at level 4 with MR, 70% of my HP gone. The solution is simple, dodge the skillshots, but heck you're getting punished hard for making one small mistake. I agree, Riot need to nerf the sh*t out of some champions.
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Babydrago (EUW)
: I started doing that. Its a shame we are obliged to do that in order to keep our mental health.
It sure is. It's not that different from the real world. People tend to be cautious of others. Only we don't expect it here to happen, because it's a video game.
graabbuu (EUW)
: Toxicity
It's funny when this game doesn't want you to flame, but the people try to make you lose control instead.
: another discussion about "ez"
"EZ" is when I get an ice cream cone.
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: > How is this game even fair when people just heavily abuse OP champs? Was nothing op in that game. Your team was full of cc and Aatrox was the only one engager. With: Olaf Q, Jhin E and W, Leblanc W, Riven Q and W, Soraka Q and E you could easily stop him. His build was full AD so all fighting with him is not a smart move but also going with that build is not a smart move either. He is not hard to kill if he keep getting poked and in a full engage from Olaf and Riven is insta die for him so the next target was Draven, followed by Gangplank. Thresh can't cc Olaf in his ult so Riven can get even faster to the enemy team if is behind Olaf. I say that you all had a bad position and Aatrox engaged you. There he had advantage and in min 44 you can't do something after an ACE.
I kind of did use all my abilities as Soraka on him, but they kept dying. He just outdamaged all of my teammates.
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Babydrago (EUW)
: [RANT THREAD] Too many bad behaviors are still being tolerated
I have an awesome solution for you: /mute all. You only need pings to play. Honestly, you can't stop people from being negative, so it is best to ignore them and play the game.
Torkl (EUW)
: As some1 who has knowledge from all roles i can say that ganking, atleast in this meta is 100% mandatory (atleast in low elo) and if you dont do it plenty you are just dead weight for the team, so yes you will get flamed. Furthermore there are certain picks that you need to keep an eye on, there simply are very few counters to them or are not meant to be countered, e.g lane bullys / scaling hypercarrys and many lanes need pretty much only 1 gank to get going on their own, i dont see how that is a waste of your time. And if you dont gank for your tank... then you shouldnt play jungle tbh, many tanks struggle to lane in this meta and usually they pick it to help the team, which they cant if they get destroyed in lane and a gank in tank lane is almost always 100% guaranteed success..
Yea, I get what you mean. I miss knowledge about what champ counters who. I only try to keep enough vision so I can get map control. In my case it is when people lose lane. It is as you know best to avoid those lanes, especially when you as jungler are not fed yourself. I only try to focus on the lanes that do know cooperate with the gank and are even/ahead themselves. You only gank ofcourse when you and others have something to gain from it and that is what alot of people are missing. They only call for help when their lane is doing badly. Still as you know, farming as a jungler is your priority. In my case, when I start blue, I do the full clear and then I look at bot lane for a gank and I see that the lane is hard pushed towards the enemy. Is in this case ganking a smart move? No. Why? Because I am not level 3/4 going to dive tower. So I recall and go to top camp and farm, because I have to keep farming. If I stay at bot and they don't back down, I lose gold. Then when I am at the top camps, bot suddenly calls me for help. Then they expect me to leave my camps and go help bot, only problem, most of the time when I arrive, the fight is kind of over. So I wasted my time walking to bot and lost gold. And yes, then they get pissed at me for not ganking. This goes for every lane. They want a gank? They have to make sure the conditions are right, if they don't cooperate, ganking will fail, unless I am fed and can dive and tank the turrets damage. If they're hard pushed all the time and I keep asking them to back down and they refuse to, It is not worth ganking early game. Mid game is another case though, only when I play tanky/bruiser jungle champs am I able to dive. Many low elo players just don't care and only think about ganking, without a strategy. That is why I realise that jungle pathing and planning on what lane I want to gank is so important.
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Cohlien (EUW)
: Why this game has a lots of griefers and abusive guys
Yea, but how are you going to detect it? The current system is the only solution they've got or they would have to make the punishments much harsher. The only way to climb is to win more games than lose.
: Also I firmly believe everyone has a different style of play. So in reality the best person you could learn off is yourself, Hold yourself accountable for each death and each loss and think what you could do better next time and do it
: if he did that on a clean account, he probably won all his placement matches he probably started somewhere in silver The rank you have in your placement gaves is not a real rank, it's just a provisional rank to give you an idea of what rank you'll get after your placements, when you start you might start with a provisional rank of "iron" but you still get placed in silver / gold games most of the time Basically your provisional rank does not match your mmr **at all** when doing placement games If you want to play iron or bronze games you need to fail your placements or fall back down, I really doubt that Tyler 1 managed to play any iron or bronze games as he most likely breezed thru his placements
Silver is alright too, only thing is that some silver players are a little better than iron/bronze players.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Watch Tyler 1's VODS. I hate that person, but around 4-5 months ago, he had a bet vs Yassuo on who can climb higher from unranked in a month. He played adc like 97% of the games, and on Twitch VODS you can see full footage.
: Go watch RatIrl smurfing.
It's a nice suggestion, but the person has only montage on his channel. I'm actually looking for a full game footage where a smurf ADC solo carries an iron/bronze game. The footage has to be whole from begin game to end game.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: yes you know what you have to do and still choose to not do it
That is not the point of this topic man. All I am asking is for some real footage! Are you mentally stable? Again, read the topic before responding. I want action, facts and not blah blah blah. All you guys seem like idiots who keep spouting the same stuff without actually showing us. Lol.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: 20cs=1 kill if you are up 100 cs your lead equals to your opponent being afk for 10 minutes it's not bs farm and pushing turrets is the easiest way of winning low elo there is no need to 1v5 penta repeatedly to win this isn't a single player game
Dude, I ALREADY KNOW THAT SH#T! It is BS, because it is already stuff I know. You don't have to spout to nonsense over and over again. Read the message properly before reacting.
Rioter Comments
: that won't change anything. I played since season 3, made breaks of a few months/even a whole year once every now and then and you know what? it's still the same, now you don't have "mid or afk" anymore but the matchmaking is still *#@
Even so, In my situation it's like this: 1. Playing LoL frequently. 2. Getting irritated by the community. 3. Getting mad and start raging/flaming. 4. I quit. 5. After a few months I come back. 6. Back to step 1. xD
TPK Luffy (EUW)
: i contacted riot support about my perma bann and this is what i receive
Giving anyone a hard time intentionally through harassing or pressuring is reportable. It doesn't matter whether the comment is toxic or not. "Yi logic" is considered a negative remark, because 1. almost everyone labels Yi as an "easy to play champion, which people refer to simple minded/dumb people playing him, 2. with that in mind, when you tell someone that he/she uses "Yi logic", you're actually implying that he/she is simple minded/dumb and thereby a harassment. Calling someone "mentally disabled" is also another one, but you know that very well. When you have a game plan in your head and if it doesn't go according to plan, you snap and direct your anger towards others. Do you think it will help when you argue with someone whether he/she should've done thing differently? It is not how this world works. You CANNOT ever force anyone to do something they don't want to. You can just ask them nicely to, but if they refuse, you have to accept that and move on. I can assure you, you approaching them negatively and start questioning their actions will them get tilted and will make them play even worse. That said, it's time for you to start assessing situations as they are and learn to adapt to them. You can control only YOUR actions, so you need to reflect and start looking how YOU can impact the game and the current situation. Example: **Case: ** _You're playing ADC and your support doesn't ward the bushes._ **How you shouldn't handle it:** _Start flaming or pressuring the support why he/she doesn't ward the bushes._ **How you should handle it: ** _ Ask them nicely if your support could ward the bushes. If the support doesn't do so, buy control wards and ward the bushes yourself._
: Let's go!Opinions!
I have only one simple question for measuring whether this game is fun to play: "Do you enjoy playing this game?" If your anwser is "Yes", then It's worth playing. If your anwser is "No", then it's not worth playing. Why do you play when you do not enjoy it and why do you not play when you actually enjoy it? Your question is kinda opinion based, which is different for every person. Do what feels right for you.
Emblazar (EUW)
: Ranked System is the biggest pile of excrement known to man!
I suggest you take a break for a few weeks and then come back.
: Can I have 25 BE for free pls riot?
I hope you sleep tonight well.
: System error
Are you able to play the practice tool on a non-PBE account? A. If so, then it's a bug that's just on the PBE-server. B. If not, you could try executing a full repair. This is how you do it: 1. Open the LoL client. 2. Press the settings button at the right upper corner. 3. In the settings menu, look for the header "client" and click on the "General" tab. 4. Under "Troubleshooting", press the "Initiate Full Repair" button. 5. A small windows pops up to ask for your confirmation to initiate the full repair. Press "Yes" to proceed or "No" to not go through with the full repair. 6. The rest is self explanatory. If that didn't help, than it's probably a bug on the PBE server.
entriX (EUW)
: Question for Riot Engineers/Programmers regarding game logs
I'm going to ask a stupid question, but did you make use of an absolute path or relative path? If you used an absolute path, I would suggest using a relative path.
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