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Literally the account im messaging with btw.
Also, in future when attempting to elo shame, try not to be silver 4.
The problem with the item ISN'T the variety of champions that can build it, its the lack of those which can. The niche of champions who can build it have a clear and huge advantage over the majority of champions who can't, primarly top laners who crutch on sidelaning to be relevant in games.
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Yes, give up 230 true damage or so on your q, hp, attack speed and 20% cdr for a pure sidelaning item that gives an attack speed steroid on a champion who thrives on being able to nuke squishies in teamfights.
Camille is so much better with a trinity force second or first after tiamat. You need the cdr for any hope at a sustained fight.
Like I've already said, yes this item is a toxic piece of shit. Doesn't mean you can rush it on any champion you think can remotely work with it.
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> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=o3qeMk9w,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2019-12-
> Doesn't mean he can't.
Anyone can build it though? The issue with the item is that a niche portion of champions can build and abuse this overtuned item, there are significantly more overpowered items like zhonyas hourglass which isn't complained about as much because a wider portion of champions can build it.
The item isn't just super toxic because its overpowered, its toxic because not everyone can build it. Anyone who can't has to give up sidelaning.
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Windwall does not compensate having to go into melee in teamfights. You literally have a long shield/dash/displacement/slow (both built in and in items) as a ranged hypercarry. If you're dying to morde as azir, it's not the champ, it's just you playing bad.
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A major complaint was his q having a weird hitbox meaning you basically couldnt dodge it. It still has a weird hitbox and is relatively fast.
You played mid, I actually played top into that. He would ignore the minion wave, walk up to you with like 40 base armour level 1, 2 or 3 and then run you down, with a few exceptions there was legitimately nothing you could do, other than giving up the lane. Losing total lane priority top lane isnt exactly ideal, i dont know if you can understand that.
How exactly do you set up the wave so he cant just roll over you without being punished? You seem to be very intelligent since you are giving this incredibly generic advice. Because if you knew how minion aggro worked, him harassing me with an auto attack would draw aggro and subsequently prevent him from losing a creep to enemy minions.
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? Thats literally the account I'm using.
Justifying Tahm Kench top. Lol. The thing is nothing I said above was an exaggeration, thats actually what he did. If a champion like that existed in mid or bot lane, it would've been nerfed sooner and harder. And equivalent for mid at least would be yasuo with 50 base mr, running down mages while eating their full combos while outdamaging them.
He was way too %%%%ing tanky, while beating almost all champs in melee and could play like a total dipshit and still win the laning phase. He was consistently beating fiora in lane, which says all you need to know.
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Yasuo is not a hyper carry the same way an azir is, its easier to shut down yasuo since he has to frontline, azir is backline and therefore is subject to more peel and less prone to being cc'd.
Kassadin has similar issues to yasuo but ill agree he is still a hypercarry purely because of how tanky he is, but since he is a melee champion with no built in sustain and low armour, his early game is extremely weak and nowhere near as good as azir.
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> [{quoted}](name=lolllysweden,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=o3qeMk9w,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-28T13:24:24.670+0000)
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> some Tanks like {{champion:86}}
Garen is not a tank and does not build sanguine blade, its mainly just assassins and specifically trynd/jax who can build it, but those 2 cant rush it either. Its a disgusting item, just to clarify. But its not buildable on EVERY champion. Just a niche that make it insanely cancer.
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> [{quoted}](name=Lazlum,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8PyXbVAy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-24T13:19:48.924+0000)
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> Man early game he deals absolute 0 dmg the only way he can get kills is with the help of his jgler, Also most of the champions counter him.Some examples are Talon Lb Zed Ekko Fizz, all these champs are super op right now , he cant do SH*T agaisnt them
Yes because hes a %%%%ing late game hypercarry xd. If those champions couldnt shut him down early, what are they supposed to do?
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It wasn't just low elo and casuals complaining, he cheesed out most melee bruiser picks and that was cancer in most elo brackets. Only champion I can think of who could reliably do well into tahm back then was kennen whos disgusting and still is so that doesnt really say much.
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Another reason for nerfing him was the sheer cancer he was in the top lane. He invalidated almost all, if not every melee champions. Laning against him was unfun and uninteractive and felt unfair and unbeatable if the player had a remote idea of what they were doing. His damage, tankiness, sustain and cc was just too much and personally I'm glad they did what they did to him, him in the top lane at least is terrible for the game.
Well, thats why his q is the way it is at least.
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Theres no way this isnt a shitpost
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I have come from the boards, and have submitted the answers
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saying kayle is "really popular" is a huge overstatement
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Irelia got the prestige skin because shes a popular champion not because shes a woman. People dont really play warwick, no one would buy the skin
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In both of those game i had a 60+% kill participation
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I actually tried to initially show vision score, but the client was not working so i had to go to op.gg where they only show wards placed and killed~~~~
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Suck me? Maybe?
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winrates dont mean anything if you dont know what you are talking about, some champions have skill floors which mean that they cannot have a 50+% winrate. Vayne is seemingly one of those champions, a champion with a supposed skill floor like vayne is only balanced at a sub 50% winrate the fact that she has a almost 50% winrate with an 11% pickrate is troubling.
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kayn doesnt one shot anyone in 4 autos, dont know what you are talking about. Anyway the only reason kayn has burst damage is because he is reliant on his cooldowns to do so. Vayne is a hyper dps champion with comparable burst to kayn, a litteral bruiser/assassin hybrid/
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Adcs arent supposed to be good 1v1, theyre supposed to be teamfighters who crutch on getting peel from their supports to survive. A vayne should not be able to 1v1 a diver, but she can. Her kit is obnoxious with max% health TRUE DAMAGE, there is no counterplay late game, with her stealth and unconditional dash spam.
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thanks for the help
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yes nasus outduels irelia, his wither basically negates her passive attack speed, and hes so tanky that even with the on hit damage he still outduels you post 6. the only way to beat him is by forcing fights pre 6 and getting really ahead, even then he can still come back.
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but im not playing a %%%%ing adc
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If tanks become meta top lane will become irrelevant because tanks for the most part cant carry games. Conqueror is necessary until tier one tank items get nerfed/removed. And as a compensation anti tank such as last whisper and especially void staff gets nerfed.
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Black cleaver is a bad item barely any of the champs who previously built it such as darius and garen build it anymore.
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Bruisers arent the problem, the problem is champs like vayne and yi who deal most of your healthbar as true damage and the quantities of anti tank in the game such as last whisper and void staff.
As well as that mages have an abundance of cc as well so tanks arent so necessary since they are outclassed in that aspect of their kits.
And no riven doesnt get nearly as tanky as a tank no matter what you build on her, she is hyper broken but is still suspectible to cc which is not a problem for tanks.
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sion isnt THAT good late
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yasuo honestly isnt even that bad when you compare him to shit like poppy and fiora. im pretty sure hes dogshit right now anyway
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Death sworn and warring kingdoms katarina are great, if you had paid attention the amazing gold chroma of the latter was available recently, you dont have much to complain about in terms of skins. besides champs like udyr should be a bigger priority u got a skin relatively recently in comparison
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Bruisers arent really a problem, we have like half a build and the rest we leech off tank/adc items. Our items tend to be extremely expensive so our itemization isnt the best either, but bruisers are supposed to be able to 1v1 adcs, so no matter how fed you are as whoever you gotta respect the jax or irelia or they will shit on you.
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Play {{champion:77}} or {{champion:24}} they beat him quite hard since they actually outduel him at most stages of the game.
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Hes supposed to be the best early game champ in the game. If used right his ultimate can be used to gank mid or allows ur jungle to invade aggressively knowing you can ult in to help before your enemy laner can.
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So wait do u suck at the champ or do u just struggle to carry as her?
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She isn't gutted, her kit just has is just flawed atm. She was changed to be a split pusher. But has no qualities of a split pusher like the ability to tower dive or any sort of unconditional escape like a trynda e or fiora q. Her teamfighting was nerfed in favour of splitpushing despite the fact her kit isnt made for splitting.
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Not really sion beats practically everyone. Rush bramble vest first item and u beat riven as well. Urgot is also overpowered but i think the mana cost nerfs on his q will prevent his q spam in lane.
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completely agree with ur actual point but i dont see how buffing zed caters to 14 year olds.
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irelia wasnt the most op champ in the game. they nerfed her, then adjusted what made her op mid lane without reverting the original w stack nerf. Anyway the throne of most op top laners did and still belong to sion and urgot.
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zeds weakness isnt that hes weak as a assassin, zed is a single target assassin, and at the moment he does his job effectively, the issue is that other champs can do what he can do to in aoe (kata, ekko, diana), while also being an ap mid laner and having better itemization to prevent full ad team comps which are very common, in low elo at the very least. zed isnt trash, its just that in the high damage meta we are in champs like zed who could previously full health combo squishies are now outclassed by ap assassins who can do the same damage as the old zed but as AOE damage instead. Zed loses few traditional mid lane matchups, cant think of many non ap assassins other than lissandra who is super busted atm btw, who can actually beat him lane.
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You're as close as I'll get to a certified S guy.
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bro ur as close as its gonna get
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Here is another game please tell me what went wrong.
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I see then.
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