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You say "where do we put the >line<" but its so goddam obvious that the line is already extremely mal-placed since like someone else said you could do go well 9.998 games out of 10.000 and in 2 games type some bad words and get permanently banned. You and all your SJW's out there can say as many times as you want as to the over-all philosophy of the system which nobody is disagreeing with. Literally nobody is agreeing that flaming is okay in any context. But to put the line where flaming becomes literally the death sentence of this game? This is just pure incompetence.
: Listen, I'm not here to argue with you, I get that you're frustrated, I can't really help you in any way. > 5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) > v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable; This is from the TOS. %%% is deemed offensive - hence it's a 0 tolerance word. There should be a difference between your case, and the average flaming player's case, but in the eyes of Riot - there is not. You type K . Y . S - you get banned, that's how their system works. It works as intended in. 99.999%, the other .001 % unlucky for them. **** Also, you need to be reported, in order for the system to catch you. In said game, means that you actually offended someone, hence you got reported. What is acceptable and what isn't, is directly decided by the community - results are gathered by an AI - that learns what is bannable and what isn't. If tomorrow a new suicide slang is invented, the system won't punish it at first. But if enough people report it - it will eventually become a 0 tolerance word. > 2nd of all "I've seen cases similar to yours, in the hundreds" Yeah right, you think I didn't go ahead and check myself as well? Literally 99.99% if not more of such cases are all ones where the player is actually angry so whatever the complaint was it was still toxicity at play. This is everything but toxic. PLZ Please don't question my intelligence. I'm on these boards for a good couple of years now, when I say I saw posts like yours, I meant posts exactly like yours. Where no toxicity was at play, but a player which was also punished in the past used a 0 tolerance word jokingly or out of context, getting himself permabanned. I know it's hard letting go, especially if you feel wronged, but I suggest you create a new acc, start from scratch (if you still wanna play LOL). And next time, try out these : *Go get executed under the tower* *Don't give a kill, execute pls*.
Alright I can understand that you just wanted to give your honest opinion and not argue. Also I'm sorry if you felt like I was doubting your intelligence. However I wasn't even JOKING which means I wasn't even making a suicidal joke which would mean taking suicide lightly; I was not. We are literally playing a game where you can kill seemingly underage girls ffs. Your suggestions are however 100% correct. For had I used a different wording then I wouldn't have gotten into trouble. @Wandering Mist said the other thing I was going to say above. cheers
Stunˆˆ (EUW)
: Seems more likely that you lied than support "just made that part up". In any case, its clear that you were banned for using that term before, you were told then that context doesn't matter, and you used it again. Seems pretty black and white to me.
sure. Fair enough Here is proof though: https://i.gyazo.com/25164aae06ff2a9d17b737a05a29069d.mp4
Stunˆˆ (EUW)
: > That time I was angry and frustrated. Which from your response from support you provided, looks like you told them it was a joke. So you're either lying now or you lied to support then, so why should anyone - support included - believe you now? You know not to flame, you told someone to %%%, got 14 day ban, lied to support about context (or us?), got told context didn't matter, did it again, got perma banned. And now you're surprised?
I didn't tell them it was a joke. They just made that part up. I don't lie and its quite rude and presumptuous for you to assume so tbh I might be a bit genuinely naive but yes, I am surprised.
: What were your previous suspensions for? Stealing Baron?
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rabbitrper,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xzfQdTsQ,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T13:34:50.179+0000) > > I never said people don't know what the meaning of %%% is so not sure what you're trying to say there. ???????? > > Also how did you look at the replay? it's possible if i go to your profile match history download the game you sayd that... , and watching it ... is not that difficult ... About what i meaned , you knowed really well that the word is a 0 tollerance word , even in hurry or if you hurry to write , still no justify the use of it... in any kind or contexts... ,i not even checked the game replay but you sayd that word 2 times... , not once.. so there is no excuse for that... even if you wanted to be legit you shoulded write it like "%%% into tower" or something like that in that direction.
~~Of course I knew you could do that. But one cannot access the client if they are banned. So you didn't actually watch the replay. Got it.~~ And no I did not know that the word is a ZERO-TOLERANCE word for there is no written rule or list anywhere. EDIT: mb i didn't know you could do that as another player logged in
: The mute function isn't a get out of jail free card for toxic players. Either respect other players or get out.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: I one ,and i am sure that anyone else know the meaning of the word %%%... , and even if someone was chased by enemy , i still finded time to tell him to suicide by tower or into tower... , so your behaviour have no excuse looking at the replay i could easy find in which context you used the word , but if riot warned you to don't use that word and you used it , there's no one fault ,even if it may be used in another context.
I never said people don't know what the meaning of %%% is so not sure what you're trying to say there. ???????? Also how did you look at the replay?
PH45 (EUNE)
: > I can see why one would think I deserved this but it is still more unfair than fair. Everyone knows that, its just that nobody wants to do anything about it. The issue is also, that often people who have received bans for using the infamous ''k%s'', like to go to Riot Support and just say ''oh I meant it as: ''kiss your sister'', or ''keep yourself safe'', so Riot's support might have just gotten fed up with people lying to them and are really doubtful in these kind of cases, especially when you were (once again saying this) warned about it previously. You could try to get a live chat going with Riot Support and try to see if they can do anything about it but I wouldn't hold my hopes up.
thanks for believing me though. Do you know how to get such live chat going?
SaTkE (EUW)
: In the pictures you provided it is said that you were already suspended once for two weeks. Considering I told people %%% at least once per season and I never got a chat restriction let alone anything more severe, I refuse to believe that you were punished several times by mistake or misunderstanding.
enlighten me then. What more do you want me to provide. Also gj on telling people %%% at least once per season.
Adama (EUW)
: So you got permabanned? Unlucky. My main account that I've had since season 3 was also banned somewhere in january. Because I said a homophobic word they first gave me an instant 14 day ban in December. After that I remained toxic. Honestly didn't say anything too bad and it would normally be nothing more than a chat restriction I'm sure, but the punishment after a 14 day ban is always a perma so oh well. Was kindof shocked for a moment because I never expected to ever get permabanned. Honestly only happened because of that instant 14 day ban, completely forgot they had that zero tolerancy on being homophobic. Anyways, what I really wanted to say is you'll get over it. I was able to accept it literally the same day it happened, after all you can make as many accounts as you want :D
thank you for your encouragements. I appreciate it. :) There was no toxicity whatsoever from me at play here though. Just saying
PH45 (EUNE)
: Your **overall negative behavior** lead to this point, but your ban finalized with the ''magical three letters''. Haven't seen your full chat logs unless the picture in your post is everything that was shown to you. Your point stands kind off, but also kind off doesn't. Problem is you were already told, that you should **never** use the ''magical three letter** word, and yet you used it **twice** this very game.
I don't wanna show my last chat log because I find it rather shameful. But I can tell you it was FULL of insults and flame. And the log was over a screen height long. Problem is that I was already told... **TRUE** But srsly. I didn't say %%% as a joke nor as an insult. It was a tough fight and in the attempt to make the best outcomes, it slipped through my mind that maybe I should not write %%% and instead write die to tower or sth. (which one is faster to type though -_-) I can even understand that one gets permabanned for saying %%% to his best friends in-game as friendly banter and one enemy stranger decides to report him. Because such joke should not be taken lightly or whatever. Everyone clearly understood this. The reason that one person reported me is because they claim I was an afker eventhough I was active the entire match and had the 2nd highest kill participation with decent dmg and objective control (life as a jgler ykwim) Then like you said "overall negative behavior lead to this point", but where is the negative behaviour in this case?
: > yeah I didn't know that this exact combination of three letters is a zero-tolerance word. Last time I checked this was not written anywhere so technically I didn't agree to this. Thus it shouldn't be bannable. You agreed to the TOS, upon account creation - hence you agreed to all the rules Riot games has. Zero tolerance phrases can be racial/homophobic + other slurs, extreme hate speech, death threats, and telling people to kill themselves. You can/should not use these phrases, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. In my years on this forum, I've seen cases similar to yours, in the hundreds. Nobody gets unbanned, once they go down this path. The 14 day suspension of an account, is the final warning, and should be taken very seriously. There's no point in risking a permaban, doing a coinflip wondering if Riot's system punishes based on context or not. I don't necessarily agree with Riot on this one, context should matter, but in order to understand how the punishment system works, you have to think a bit, and realise what's going on. Just here to give you an objective answer - but then again, as for myself, I've only been punished a single time, with a 10 game chat restriction due to light toxicity, back in season 5. I've learnt my lesson, understood how the system works, and never again done anything even mildly ban-worthy. It doesn't take much brain to do so. Most of the times punishments are not based on context, they don't have the necessary manpower, nor technology to check everything out. So they look at the chat, or your ingame stats (if you get reported for inting and so forth), and they issue a ban according to those. Imagine going through millions of reported games (for griefing) every week, that your average silver ELO player issues, every time his midlaner dies more than 2 times in the laning phase. All you can do is learn your lesson, create a new acc if you want to play more league, or perhaps look for another game. GL
1st of all "Zero tolerance phrases can be racial/homophobic + other slurs, extreme hate speech, death threats, and **telling people to kill themselves**." this is not written anywhere in the Terms of Use or Summoner's Code or ticket FAQ 2nd of all "I've seen cases similar to yours, in the hundreds" Yeah right, you think I didn't go ahead and check myself as well? Literally 99.99% if not more of such cases are all ones where the player is actually angry so whatever the complaint was it was still toxicity at play. This is everything but toxic. PLZ Give me one link where the person got banned because he said these 3 cursed letters. Not as a joke nor as an insult. As a genuine tip for the teammate to follow. Which guess what, the teammate rightfully did do after I suggested as such. **Imagine telling a teammate with Zilean ult on them to %%% while on low health to gain net HP and get banned.** I really wish there was a way to get timestamp for chat right now. So i can show that I wrote %%% before the execution and not after...... -_- https://i.gyazo.com/7a1e7e3b73bf20e910c51856f55d4b61.png Of course they do have the manpower to view such exceptions. It's so obvious that there was no ill meaning anywhere to be found from the log that is ridiculous one should think otherwise. I still believe this is an exception.
PH45 (EUNE)
: I'm just saying, but doesn't the Riot Support person say in the Part 1 screenshot: > My colleague however has addressed this in ticket #35735507, letting you know that you should never use this abbreviation in our game So that means you were told you should not use this word, ever in League.
This is what he wrote last time. "I would strongly advise you to avoid this kind of words, the context never matter when it comes to the chat in a game, even if you are playing with friends." The only time he actually said "never sth" was this: "We know League of Legends can be frustrating at times, but there is never an excuse for purposely ruining the game for others. Retaliating to negativity with negativity is never a solution." So I guess I followed 50%? However my common sense (maybe not as common apparently) told me differently. I can see why one would think I deserved this but it is still more unfair than fair. Everyone knows that, its just that nobody wants to do anything about it.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: You can send a ticket to support, you might have to copy-pasta your message for a while before you get a real answer. Usually in such cases, they do lift the ban, even tho, it may take a few weeks.
thanks. I'll try again then. No league for a while I guess.
PH45 (EUNE)
: > I was banned last time for 14 days also because I typed "%%%" in the chat. I didn't know that this exact combination of three letters is a zero-tolerance word. Last time I checked this was not written anywhere so technically I didn't agree to this. Thus it shouldn't be bannable. I find it hard to believe that people don't realise after they get banned, for saying that exact word. It's been notorious to result in instant 14-day bans and overall regarded as a hate speech term. Homophobic, racial slurs and hate speech are all zero-tolerance, and are not listed anywhere since people could just work around saying those exact words to flame and deceive the automated system.
you're right. It's shameful that I didn't catch on that after first ban. However the rioter's response's main section and tip was that I should not respond negativity with more negativity.The %%% part was only addressed with a couple sentences saying how it shouldn't be used neither as an insult or joke under any circumstance. It really could be up to interpretation and semantics as to what one takes out of this. Was my **overall negative behaviour** the main cause of such suspension? Or was the **magical three letters** the main reason I was banned? EDIT: nvm, the rioter did actually write more than just a couple of sentences of the %%% part. However I believe my point stands.
: I never type %%% or do any toxic stuff, and have never had any suspensions or bans - funny how that works. Even if I wanted a teammate to die to the tower, I wouldn't be foolish enough to type the dreaded 3 letter abbreviation. You'd think that 2 week suspensions would have taught you a lesson. Now you learn the hard way. Besides, I think Riot is too lenient with their 2 week suspensions, toxic behavior should be permabanned immediately.
I can agree with me not learning properly the lesson from my last ban. I can somewhat agree that there is reason for toxic behaviour to be punished even harsher. Even though I don't ultimately agree to that. However imagine you didn't know that %%% was such a taboo Imagine you were just trying to help the team Imagine all you ever said were just positive stuff But you wouldn't. You wouldn't because, of how you claim that you've never typed such words out of toxicity >>> Despite the clear message that I typed %%% as a suggestion for a positive action in-game. Not as an insult, not as a joke, not as retaliation. But of course let's ignore all that and pretend you're some sort holy spirit with the wisdom of kungfu Panda's sensei and type some overly pragmatic, seemly PC stuff to project superiority. Really makes one wonder if EQ is actually a real indicator of intelligence. You seem to know the consequences of typing %%% somehow, yet if you truly never typed %%% in-game before then you either know the gravity of such action by lurking so much around the forums and such that you've seen enough similar complaints; or that you've had friends with similar problems; or that you're actually lying and you have had previous suspensions/bans on your current or previous accounts. Either ways you sound no different from the bots that automatically replies to tickets. Your comment is of little meaningful value.
Roxãs (EUW)
: you wrote it 2 times. i doubt it was an unfair ban.
How can you honestly look at the log and think I meant it negatively. I swear on me mother it is exactly as I described. I don't know how to get the replay, but if I could I would provide video proof.
PH45 (EUNE)
: It's a zero-tolerance word, meaning you shouldn't ever use it, in any situation/scenario. So yes, it is bannable absolutely.
yeah I didn't know that this exact combination of three letters is a zero-tolerance word. Last time I checked this was not written anywhere so technically I didn't agree to this. Thus it shouldn't be bannable. EDIT: Last time I got banned for also saying %%%. However it wasn't clear that typing these 3 letters exactly is actually by itself bannable even though you meant it positively. I can also provide proof of that if y'all want.
: Do you think typing %%% to tell a teammate to get executed by tower is bannable?
Follow up from the ticket: Part 1: https://i.gyazo.com/7efdc2c0d3e1a57fdc9c019c2fae9e57.png part 2: https://i.gyazo.com/590c955b1324f1b1ab9f199f6be230d9.png I'll update again if progress is made (see OP)
: Create a ticket and discuss it with support service, explain everything. Hope you will get unbanned. P.S: next time type die to tower o something like this. Good luck
I have. Unfortunately the person doesn't want to address the specific context directly and instead just says "regardless of context blah blah" Do you have more suggestions? I was banned last time for 14 days also because I typed "%%%" in the chat. That time I was angry and frustrated. However this time I was so cool and positive I was proud of my improvement, but instead I get this.... I really think I need someone from higher up to take a look at this....
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