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archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Retoih,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:43:20.945+0000) > > And how is pressing R something that takes skill? I know Zed is a champ whose hard to play, but against an ADC all he needs to do now is press R do the full combo and press R again to go back to his shadow, and don't say to crowed control him, he can buy QSS to counter that, no support can save their adc unless it's Bard and the adc can stay alive until he ult's. Pressing R wont do anything by itself. Mark detonates based on % damage that Zed did to target after Death Mark was activated. Meaning if u knock him away as soon as he is out of death mark and actually look at where his shadow is and dodge shurikens u will be fine. Also there is exhaust, summoner heal, or even flash away when he gets out of his ulti. Then there is Tahm Kench, dashes, Braums shield blocks shuriken. You know very well that only dangerous thing is ADC walking alone without knowing where Zed is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWRLOD1N5e0
Well yes the adc alone is an easy kill for any assassin, but to most of them they can try to fight back (Not counting Rengar) and now Zed, IF the support is Tahm, then yes the adc is saved, in a 1 vs 2 fight, in a team fight Zed can now do way to more, you said to flash away? Zed can flash after you or use his shadow, you said that R alone doesn't do much, ofc not, all he needs to do is R, follow you E + Q + Auto and you are likely dead, even with Heal, and don't forget that's Zed job in a team fight is to kill the ADC, and that now is way to easy for him to do, until now you had to know if you were able to kill him, even if uses QSS, now a basic combo mid to late game should do the trick, and only a few support can help the adc, but while the support is busy trying everything that he can to save the adc (and most likely faling), the rest of the enemy team will have the upper hand, after all 4 vs 3, the team with 4 should win
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Retoih,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:25:02.477+0000) > > I've seen some good Zed's who killed the adc even when they had {{item:3140}} and {{champion:40}} So u are saying better player is not supposed to kill inferior player just because he has an item that counters him hard? Im talking about situations where players are close in skill.
And how is pressing R something that takes skill? I know Zed is a champ whose hard to play, but against an ADC all he needs to do now is press R do the full combo and press R again to go back to his shadow, and don't say to crowed control him, he can buy QSS to counter that, no support can save their adc unless it's Bard and the adc can stay alive until he ult's.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Retoih,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:15:48.422+0000) > > I wouldn't call Zed useless if the enemy bought {{item:3140}} , by that logic they should rework {{item:3157}} so that his ult should do dmg, the only problem i have with the change is now the adc will have to take {{summoner:1}} and that will affect their laning phase Cleanse doesnt remove Zeds ulti either. What ADC will now have to do is stick to their support. If baby gets away from babysitter it gets hurt. I have yet to see Zed kill ADC with Janna, Alistar, Leona, Thresh, Lulu, Naut and other babysitters next to them.
> [{quoted}](name=archerno1,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:18:48.485+0000) > > Cleanse doesnt remove Zeds ulti either. What ADC will now have to do is stick to their support. If baby gets away from babysitter it gets hurt. > I have yet to see Zed kill ADC with Janna, Alistar, Leona, Thresh, Lulu, Naut and other babysitters next to them. I've seen some good Zed's who killed the adc even when they had {{item:3140}} and {{champion:40}}
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Retoih,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:15:48.422+0000) > > I wouldn't call Zed useless if the enemy bought {{item:3140}} , by that logic they should rework {{item:3157}} so that his ult should do dmg, the only problem i have with the change is now the adc will have to take {{summoner:1}} and that will affect their laning phase Cleanse doesnt remove Zeds ulti either. What ADC will now have to do is stick to their support. If baby gets away from babysitter it gets hurt. I have yet to see Zed kill ADC with Janna, Alistar, Leona, Thresh, Lulu, Naut and other babysitters next to them.
> [{quoted}](name=archerno1,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Ego2yMMo,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-21T14:18:48.485+0000) > > Cleanse doesnt remove Zeds ulti either. What ADC will now have to do is stick to their support. If baby gets away from babysitter it gets hurt. OH thanks for the information, even more healthy gameplay
Mepodis (EUW)
: Zed is supposed to have absolutly no counterplay for adcs.
And how can that be healthy gameplay? If the adc can't do nothing to save themself from Zed, might as well stay in base.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: U mean that was item that made Zed completely useless?
I wouldn't call Zed useless if the enemy bought {{item:3140}} , by that logic they should rework {{item:3157}} so that his ult should do dmg, the only problem i have with the change is now the adc will have to take {{summoner:1}} and that will affect their laning phase
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