: The original post was about how new players see the game, like in-game warnings and toxic smurfs. I made the thread before I knew about the smurf detection system so as far as I could tell, new players experienced the same behavior I was experiencing. I now know that is not completely true so that's fine. The reason I am still going on about it, is you called me an aggressive player, which coming from a Rioter was a nice way of saying I was being toxic in games. I know it might not make sense to you and might not mean much to you but as far I was concerned, I was labelled a toxic player not by a system but by Riot Lyte himself in front of 10's of thousands of players that viewed the Reddit post or this forum post. The reason I kept messaging you was simply because I wanted to clear my name so those players that saw your post would know I wasn't really being toxic. I know it may seem stupid but when you of all people call someone toxic, the community in general tends to believe you so I simply wanted to prove that I wasn't being toxic and that your previous statements were untrue/incorrect.
You were toxic on NathanusMaximus, that was my original post, and it's true :O
: I never called a player cancer, I simply said I was getting cancer from the enemy Malphite because he was destroying me so hard so not sure why that matters. If anything I was calling myself cancer, not another player so that shouldn't be relevant. Also, I assume you can see everything in the chat logs, not just what I said so I have to assume you also know that when I said to stop crying for reports, I was defending another player that was being harassed. So I was essentially given a warning for triggering the system by calling myself cancer and for defending another player without being aggressive while doing so? I know you can't post the full logs because it would take to long to censor the names of the other players but you can't ignore the full logs. Taken out of context, my logs may seem a little bad but in the full logs you can see I was only ever defending other players. And the entire point of the thread in the first place was how new players see the game. I personally know that the in-game warning just means I've been reported a lot and not that it was a punishment but for new players to get that message, it would put them off ever typing in game, it would put them off asking players for tips out of fear of being banned. That was the point general point behind me pretending to be a new player to see how new players would experience the game but I didn't know about the smurf detection system. With the full chat logs in front you, and only taking the games played recently into account (Not last year when I was toxic) would you still come to the same conclusion that I am a toxic player?
Considering it's an alert, and you have no penalty, why are you still worried about the system or me saying you are a toxic player? You haven't been labeled one by me or the system. As I mentioned, it was an alert. There's no impact on your accounts, and alerts are sent for very minor behaviors. If what you said was seriously verbally abusive, you would have gotten a penalty. I guess I don't understand what you're trying to get at? We agree the language was very minor, and so your account has no penalties or flags. It just received a warning alert. Right now, true new players rarely get alerts, and there's no significant evidence that getting an alert scares people from talking.
: I have to state, the ''older games'' that posted were last year when I was a toxic monster and received bans on my main account. I openly acknowledge and admit to being a toxic player back then so I don't see how those chat logs from a year ago are relevant to now. The other chat logs you posted all took place today bar maybe one but you called me toxic yesterday and offered to post yesterdays chat logs, therefore again, I am not sure why todays chat logs justify yesterdays statements. That being said, of the chat logs you posted from my games today, I personally still see nothing wrong with what I said in the games. Nothing I said was an attack on a player nor was anything I said abuse. Everything I said was simply stating what was happening in the game. Could you possibly specify which part of my chat logs were 'toxic'? Thanks.
> [{quoted}](name=NathanusMaximus,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=KLQyexEK,comment-id=00190004000000070001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-21T18:09:33.085+0000) > > I have to state, the ''older games'' that posted were last year when I was a toxic monster and received bans on my main account. I openly acknowledge and admit to being a toxic player back then so I don't see how those chat logs from a year ago are relevant to now. > > The other chat logs you posted all took place today bar maybe one but you called me toxic yesterday and offered to post yesterdays chat logs, therefore again, I am not sure why todays chat logs justify yesterdays statements. > > That being said, of the chat logs you posted from my games today, I personally still see nothing wrong with what I said in the games. Nothing I said was an attack on a player nor was anything I said abuse. Everything I said was simply stating what was happening in the game. > Could you possibly specify which part of my chat logs were 'toxic'? > > Thanks. The system is basically a test system that tries to predict toxicity and fires an alert. So, your older games suggested you were a player that had potential to be toxic, and your most recent game back (Chat Log #3) flagged the alert system because it thought you might become frustrated or toxic in a future game. It then assesses your next few games to see if your behavior goes back to neutral, or escalates. If it escalates, you get an actual punishment (say, a Chat Restriction if it was a minor verbal offense). If it doesn't escalate, nothing happens and it's as if the alert never happened. In the logs, calling someone toxic, calling someone cancer, and saying "stop crying about XYZ" are generally negative. Not enough to get a penalty, but enough to trigger an alert.
: Ok cool, I appreciate that you can't reply immediately and I apologizing for expecting a response faster. I have sent the email you requested to the specified email address.
Here's the logs that triggered the alert. **Note, this is just a behavioral alert, which has no effect on your account**. There's no penalty or record, and your account is still considered 'neutral' status if you receive alerts. Secondly, because you're obviously smurfing, the system has tagged your account as a smurf and matched you against smurfs in the majority of your games. We are aware that smurfs right now are a pretty bad experience in League, and it's something we'd like to improve in time. [2:53] Nathans Grl: What are you doing? [4:52] Nathans Grl: Whatever man [4:56] Nathans Grl: You told me not to puish [5:00] Nathans Grl: And you pushed and left lane [5:10] Nathans Grl: I didn't push, I tried to last hit but you stole pushed and stole farm XD [5:35] Nathans Grl: And you pushed [5:36] Nathans Grl: I didn't [5:38] Nathans Grl: You pushed [5:41] Nathans Grl: and then you left lane [6:37] Nathans Grl: Just gonna mute you [9:39] Nathans Grl: Why is everyone so toxic? XD [9:40] Nathans Grl: Hahahaha [9:50] Nathans Grl: What rank is your main? [11:04] Nathans Grl: Blitz and Soraka both toxic and raging at ADC's but both of them are pushing the lanes and taking the farm [11:04] Nathans Grl: XD [12:32] Nathans Grl: troll supports are reak [12:35] Nathans Grl: real* [14:37] Nathans Grl: Can we surrender at 20? I can't play with these guys, they are so damn toxic [14:42] Nathans Grl: It's a level 11 blind pick [14:46] Nathans Grl: And they are raging [14:48] Nathans Grl: Makes no sense [22:07] Nathans Grl: lol [22:19] Nathans Grl: You missed a point black hook and then rage at meXD [22:21] Nathans Grl: You are toxic man [26:18] Nathans Grl: How about everyone get a grip [26:21] Nathans Grl: Its a blind pick [26:24] Nathans Grl: Not ranked [26:26] Nathans Grl: Stop crying for reports [26:30] Nathans Grl: Stop crying about noob [26:34] Nathans Grl: Stop crying about everything [26:37] Nathans Grl: Just play and enjoy the game [26:47] Nathans Grl: Not like you're gonna lose LP for losing a game [28:17] Nathans Grl: Yes please [28:28] Nathans Grl: The enemy could end if they wanted too [28:36] Nathans Grl: They are not ending to try and farm kills --- [13:40] Nathans Grl: Malph is giving me cancer [31:19] Nathans Grl: Yeah this is over [31:39] Nathans Grl: Their Malph is insane, ours isn't I guess [32:56] Nathans Grl: Guys come on please [32:59] Nathans Grl: Just surrrender [33:07] Nathans Grl: 33 minutes of my life wasted [33:16] Nathans Grl: They are winning and we can't kill a single one of them [33:18] Nathans Grl: We can't win [33:30] Nathans Grl: Their Malph can 1v5, ours cant 1v1 [34:48] Nathans Grl: 5 of us, 3 of them and they still beat us, we cant win guys, please [34:51] Nathans Grl: It's a normal, not ranked [34:53] Nathans Grl: Just FF [35:12] Nathans Grl: I think we can all agree we are smurfs trying to level as fast as possible [35:15] Nathans Grl: This is just wasting time [35:29] Nathans Grl: No I won't, because its a normal [36:01] Nathans Grl: They are not trolling [36:06] Nathans Grl: They got outplayed by other smurfs --- [6:33] Nathans Grl: Fucking smurfs [6:41] Nathans Grl: So tired of this game already [11:25] Nathans Grl: I'm bored [11:38] Nathans Grl: Not in the mood for smurfs [11:46] Nathans Grl: Are they really so bad at the game that they can only beat new players [17:25] Nathans Grl: I need money [17:54] Nathans Grl: What buff? [19:28] Nathans Grl: Not everyone is a smurf [19:34] Nathans Grl: Sorry for being new and not understanding everything yet --- **Your Older Games:** [1:39] Nathans Grl: Smurf LeBlanc I guess, sigh [1:41] Nathans Grl: This sucks [9:12] Nathans Grl: thank you [11:07] Nathans Grl: fucking smurf [12:17] Nathans Grl: I FUCKING HATE SMURFS [12:19] Nathans Grl: FUCKING NOOBS [16:10] Nathans Grl: gj [21:40] Nathans Grl: ty [23:43] Nathans Grl: Smurfs, why do you make new accounts? --- [0:43] Nathans Grl: What is blue? [13:12] Nathans Grl [ALL]: Kid shut up [18:19] Nathans Grl: thank you for heal [26:30] Nathans Grl [ALL]: I am not a smurf, my boyfriend is teaching me how to play though :) [39:07] Nathans Grl [ALL]: Yi so cocky [39:40] Nathans Grl: lol [40:00] Nathans Grl [ALL]: QQ MF, he is like level 6, because he is NEW [40:12] Nathans Grl [ALL]: what are you expecting from a new player? [40:22] Nathans Grl [ALL]: you are a smurf [40:57] Nathans Grl [ALL]: because you are raging like a level 30 bronze [41:11] Nathans Grl [ALL]: LOL ok then ;) [43:37] Nathans Grl [ALL]: so you are a gold 2, raging at new players [43:39] Nathans Grl [ALL]: get a life bro
: It's been more than 12 hours now and still no logs or apology. Is this the standard of respect we can expect from Riot? The company that supposedly cares for its community? Apologizing is a big thing and I'd appreciate it a lot! Apologizing doesn't make you look weak, it makes you look human, because we are all human and sometimes humans make mistakes. Am I really going to far by asking for an apology? Is it really that big of a deal that you can't just admit you were wrong? I'm done chasing you around for a response, your actions speaks for themselves and thousands of people have seen what you said and don't like it. You can either apologize, post the logs to prove me wrong or just ignore me forever, up to you. If you would rather apologize in private and not on the public forums then feel free to add me in game or something. It may not mean much to you but after a Rioter calls you toxic in front of thousands of people and then disappears it's pretty damn upsetting because most people believe what Riot tells them without questioning it. Either way I'm done chasing you. I just hope you have the courtesy to apologize either here or in private. Thanks.
You're right, because you posted on NathanusMaximus, my access automatically pulled chat logs for NathanusMaximus. From the current looks of it, NathansGrl's is someone else's account, so I can't just give you chat logs for someone else's account. For me to check what happened with NathansGrl, I need to confirm account ownership. Send me an e-mail to lyte [at] riotgames [dot] com with the sign-up e-mail of that account, and we'll go from there with some basic Qs for account ownership. Secondly, I'm on PDT time right now, and have to follow up on this type of stuff outside of work hours. Literally just got my first break at the office this morning and followed up on this thread.
: Please do post the chat logs but for clarity, its not this account, its the account in the picture. ''Nathans grl''
Hrm, after looking at your account again, are you sharing your account with someone? Language, playstyles, performance are quite different in games. Account sharing is a bannable offense :\ Also, you're creating a worse experience for your friend because you're getting tagged as a smurf and that's why you're being matched against other smurfs.
: My awful smurf experience so far.
Hey, the reason you got a warning is because you were being pretty aggressive in chat in your games. If you want, I'm happy to post your chat logs.
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