: Seems like a great idea, with the exception of flaming. I don't care about a person if he starts flaming, only if he does things to lsoe, like trolling. Inting, afking, stealing lanes/farm from others, all the intentionally bad things. If he calls me a moron or something else, i don't give a %%%, i can mute him if i want to. Banning for flaming is nonsense, maybe a person is doing his best, tryhard and loses it when teammates are making him lose. So forcing to normal games for trollling/inting is a good idea.
Yeh, exactly. Couldn't care less for what other people think of me or my playstyle; as you say one can just mute them (y) However, when it goes overboard, when they start writing more than they play or start actively affecting the gameplay with their moddy behavior, that definitely ought to be punishable through the lock-out from ranked q ^^
: You do understand, that ranked games do NOT make the majority of games in league BY FAR? Many Many players do not even bother playing ranked, many more stop playing it, once they hit gold. I myself have played maybe 500-600 Soloq rankeds, adding team and flex 5v5, maybe ~700 games, while I played ~5000 normal games.
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NeekoMew (EUW)
: yea right. we want more trolls in normal games, 2 trolls every single game isn't enough yet.
It's basically the leage of AFK's in both ranked and normals and the trolls in normals already come in extensive amounts. I doubt that you'd notice a difference at all tbh. If I get to choose to have a troll in my normal game contra my ranked game I'd pick my normal game any day of the week. Plus, they need to behave in normals anyway, if they don't they'll never get back to ranked.
POMÆ (EUW)
: Yeah force people to make 15-mins normal games. Or make those guys create discord servers where they team up and just go 'Hey we open' at 00:00 FOOL PROOF PLAN IF I EVER SAW ONE.
I think that you missed the point. If they troll in normal games their punishment gets extended with a considerably larger penalty which in turn forces them to play like normal people or be doomed to forever play normals/get a new account (which would take them a few days to lvl up anyway). Ergo, your thought on the subject is rather hollow.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >That's why you weed them out by giving them an exponentially increased amount of normal games as penalty. anything that is toxic on ranked is toxic on normal too, and since there are way more ppl playing normals than ranked you would just make the normal experience way worse for the bigger population... >A behaviour is generally temporary. If these people wants to play ranked que, they need to behave or wait a few days. Within those days they will rather likely calm their toxic behaviour down and behave. you really didnt met any trolls did you? calming down toxic behavior and behaving? rofl >Getting rid of toxic people is something Riot wont do because it lessens the player base and their income. If you come to a middle ground which works for both sides you might get rid of the the behaviour in the matches that actually count for something. thats just nonsense... toxic ppl are the minority and the rest of the playerbase wants to get rid of them, and if riot removes toxic ppl the playerbase will be happy and will spend more plus it will generate new players too, since noone wants to play with toxic kids, so forcing toxic ppl from ranked to normals would make the exact opposite of what you wanna achieve...
> anything that is toxic on ranked is toxic on normal too, and since there are way more ppl playing normals than ranked you would just make the normal experience way worse for the bigger population... It is, but in normals trolling is basically customary behavior already. Honestly, I don't think I've played a single game in a normal game where there wasn't a troll lane ("oh, I'ma try this unconventional champ top cuz a dude on youtube said.."). So if it stands between removing the trolls from ranked and making normals as trolly as it basically already is, then I'm all good with it. > you really didnt met any trolls did you? calming down toxic behavior and behaving? rofl You're missing the point of that comment by a longshot. The people who _wants_ to play ranked needs to behave to be able to, otherwise they quickly get their ranked privvs drawn in. Promote good behavior, shoot down bad behavior. > thats just nonsense... toxic ppl are the minority and the rest of the playerbase wants to get rid of them, and if riot removes toxic ppl the playerbase will be happy and will spend more plus it will generate new players too, since noone wants to play with toxic kids, so forcing toxic ppl from ranked to normals would make the exact opposite of what you wanna achieve... Toxic people being the minority is not really part of the point and I doubt that statement is it a fact. The rest wanting to get rid of them is true, however, then they'd have to "remove" themselves, cuz one person's justified behavior is another's trolly behavior. Anyway, that's going away from the subject at hand. Riot get a ton of money from the toxic people as well as the "rest" of the player base, so removing them would be more counterproductive to their own interests than the opposite The new players and the trolly "veterans" gets sifted out early from each other, they don't really get affected that much by the toxic players; they might even function as a weird form of motivation. So your statement about the suggestion's wished achievement contra the "exact" opposite is rather riddled with holes as far as I can see. What I'd like to see is rather that people think before they write and or start messing around(trolling) cuz a support took a cs or two by mistake or when someone misses a skillshot or dies early by mistake, realizing that they'll suffer consequences if from their own tilting and or tilting others. So, this is a discussion, it's not a suggestion that is written in stone, it's rather a flexible suggestion with it's based written at the top of this thread. Come with some form of solution rather than instantly tossing an idea in the trash cuz you thought about all the bad things and missed all the good parts, shape it to lessen the bad parts and expand the good parts (have a discussion on this discussion board..).
JustClone (EUNE)
: Son, This is not against him, or anyone. It is for the people who will read it. If he writes this, this means that : 1) He did not take like 10 min to make research if something similar has been implemented 2) He did not care to think what will happen to the players who are not toxic but forced to play with toxic players. Its a lost cause, to try to change his mind, if he, him self does not care. I just want to make sure, that others who read this, remember what this stupid decision riot made few years ago caused to us, and what LP is doing to us the dota players still. I find it ridiculous that this gets even discussed. I write this for the new players, so they know what kind of hell is this. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.
... Yeah, and those who live within a box will never excel beyond it's borders. Wanna be narrow minded and not just express "We've tried that, it didn't work, it's stupid" instead of saying "Yeah, there were issues in the past with that, lets continue with a constructive conversation.", go ahead and write ur comments somewhere else, cuz it's not appreciated here. No point for u to be here.
JustClone (EUNE)
: I really have to spend my entire day, explaining to you basic stuff over and over, but all you have to do is to read a bit. Start here, and search for post in that time period. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3ckcut/normal_draft_pick_is_getting_unbearable/ When you finish with such posts about LoL, move to dota's LP variant, which is exactly the same thing. You will find the results are no better. Riot realized it is the most stupid thing to force toxic players to play X games, instead they went to variant with 14 days and permanent ban as punishment. And to that I say: %%%% YES! Embrace the truth...
@JustClone --> Being smuggish isn't going to make you louder, it's going to make people not wanna listen to you. I'll check out the link, but I'm not going to respond to anything but the lack of respect you imbue in your comments, it's not welcome.
BeeOven (EUW)
: i play for fun, losing every game to high elo players isn't fun
Hehe, personally I think it's kinda nice seeing slick gameplay, even if it's from the enemy. I learn a lot from people who play well, the problem is rather when ur team goes toxic over it and start a civil war y'know :I
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: it could be like ,if you don't want to play the amount of normal games to be forced to wait xx days to play again ranked... ,but this only in conditions where your gameplay is really disrupting regarding how others play at that level of skill ,and shouldn't punish you if others feeded top and then enemy smashed you after you did your best to play normal among these conditions.
Yeah, of course, it's on a game to game basis. Anyone can have a bad game, especially at lower elos, but if the behavior is repetitive when it comes to misuse of chat, toxic behavior, intentional feeding or AFK (actual AFK, no mistaken DC), then they deserve to get temporarily kicked out of the ranked corner where all the cool kids are :p
: Sounds like the days where you would just get like 2000 game chat restriction which i much preferd over perma bans TBH
Perma bans are finite and not really good for anything (exceptions for that are cheaters and other). Chat restrictions is something I think should be given if there is a valid report on a player's misuse of the chat function. I mean, it's a game, it's not a commentary, am I right?
Tarolock (EUNE)
: your idea makes no sense... if they are trolling they are getting punished, just as fast as your idea would lock them into normals, you have to identify trolls first then deal with them and hard part about it is actually identify them, and its hard because ppl report everything so the system cant make a clear difference and it takes longer time your suggestion would change a single thing, if anything it would make normals more toxic, and the goal is not making everyone toxic but rather getting rid of toxic ppl
That's why you weed them out by giving them an exponentially increased amount of normal games as penalty. A behaviour is generally temporary. If these people wants to play ranked que, they need to behave or wait a few days. Within those days they will rather likely calm their toxic behaviour down and behave. Another ruleinfraction would force them off again. The normals are some of the most toxic areas in the game, I doubt the experience would change one bit in normals. Getting rid of toxic people is something Riot wont do because it lessens the player base and their income. If you come to a middle ground which works for both sides you might get rid of the the behaviour in the matches that actually count for something.
CJXander (EUNE)
: I don't think it's a great idea, and here's why. New players (legit newbies) will start off playing league in normals. Now considering how many toxic players are out there, and patronizing they can be, it will ultimately created the shittiest user experience for newcomers. I believe the flamers should be forced to play AI games instead.
I can see what you're saying but that's not really something that's going to affect them. New players mainly gets placed with newbies till lvl 30 anyway. In any case, you even more trolls in normal games, doubt the experience would differ at all in normals.
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If it's a promo, Definitely a good idea. 100%.
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