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Inaphyt (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Rstoniuss,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=XdfaNqMN,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-05T23:18:55.552+0000) > > If you legit think that Marksman at this point in the game is anywhere NEAR the best role to climb with then you need to do some research. Mid, jungle and top are waaaaaay easier to climb with. Do you not get that even if you are a good marksman playing a lane 2v1 because your support is trash is not a good thing and just makes the game way harder than it should be. Even in teamfights you can try peeling for yourself all you want but because Marksman are so squishy now anything and everything will oneshot them without peel from the team no matter how good your positioning is. A fed mage or fed bruiser or fed juggernaut or fed assassin can solo carry games 100x better than a marksman can right now. If you dont believe me then check how many marksmen mains are in challenger top 10's compared to other roles in all regions. The results might shock you. I legit think that marksman are the best role to climb with or let me be very clear adc's not necessarily in botlane, but what i say applies to botlane to. A good vayne player can carry a game alone but that comes from exceptional decision making and movement and you have to literally carry the game regardless of your trash support. Lucian is another champ where unless you're making plays constantly where you are continually putting yourself in the danger zone of your opponents by outplaying lesser opponents you aren't going to get anywhere, you don't sit back and rely on your support or the jungler. Draven if you can kill them at level 2, it's up to you not your support to achieve this and is totally possible. Sivir players that are nearly unkillable with perfect csing and appear with several items mid - late and just dismantle the enemy with superior positioning and exploiting the enemy clumping up together thus landing ricochet crits on every opponent. Concepts like this are lost on a mid lane champ derp what does ricochet mean. Adc is much more skill intensive. Punishing if you fall behind, amazing if you pull ahead. Good players are good at getting ahead regardless of circumstances (shyt support) (jung didn't gank). So to be absolutely 100% clear if you're a good player let's say a high diamond player and you are smurfing, the best role is adc because not only are you nearly guaranteed to get ahead of your opponent early, you also scale so regardless of how fed others have gotten around the map, you can still likely come out on top and carry your way into high elo.
You seem to understand something about the current state of adc and bot lane. Understand one thing, laning phase is 70% support and 30% adc. If your support does nothing in lane compared to the enemy support then you will automatically fall behind. An Ali can take off 60-70% of an adcs health with one combo at level 3 and ignite, all the adc has to do is follow up and clean up. That simple. Yes Late game they are the best and yes they are the best if they are extremely ahead, but just like doublelift said "I have to get carried to mid game and late game by my team". Its not the fact that adcs are weak, cause theyre not. Theyre too team reliant. Thats the problem.
Inaphyt (EUW)
: A brief aside - You mention how many adc's are in challenger, that's different from climbing, at the best of the best you can't get the same advantages you can get at lower elo's on adc and the lane tends to be stagnant unless jungler intervention.
I understand that, but at the same time it just shows that out of millions of players the least of the players who are in the top 10 are adc mains.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >So I stuck to our Yasuo and Master Yi and we won. i shouldve worded better then, you did not carry the game then, yasuo and master yi carried, you just helped, its not the classical carry but i understand what you mean
Whats your meaning of carry then when it comes to supports? How does a support carry?
Tarolock (EUNE)
: and who was your support and what were his/her items? you did not build any armor other than zhonya and you are squishy as hell, i usually go zilean/karma/lulu or something similar and my adc never had problem with 4/11 assassins, 20/2 zed is more likely to kill my adc even if i use everything in my hand
See youre still not getting the point here. My whole point is that the adc is way too reliant on the team and support, so reliant that they cant do shit against people like assassins who are innsanely behind.
Inaphyt (EUW)
: Nah i think if you're a good adc you can carry yourself, probably the best role to climb with if you are actually a good player. Agreed with the only care about themselves in solo queue, half the battle in solo queue is fighting your own team for siege minions which they always try to steal away from you, i have gotten pretty good at just snatching that siege minion at all costs away from my team though.
If you legit think that Marksman at this point in the game is anywhere NEAR the best role to climb with then you need to do some research. Mid, jungle and top are waaaaaay easier to climb with. Do you not get that even if you are a good marksman playing a lane 2v1 because your support is trash is not a good thing and just makes the game way harder than it should be. Even in teamfights you can try peeling for yourself all you want but because Marksman are so squishy now anything and everything will oneshot them without peel from the team no matter how good your positioning is. A fed mage or fed bruiser or fed juggernaut or fed assassin can solo carry games 100x better than a marksman can right now. If you dont believe me then check how many marksmen mains are in challenger top 10's compared to other roles in all regions. The results might shock you.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >Weak Base Defensive stats with no defensive items weak defenses? they have the best defenses ever... they have 4 extra spells and 6 extra itemslots with extra wards and stuff, none of the other roles have that... (if you are not getting it, they have a support to defend them) >Marskman is literally the hardest role to solo carry with because of how team reliant they are. try support (an actual support not something like brand/lux etc) and carry a game without adc
Yes, compared to before they got nerfed to the ground their base health and health scaling were MUCH better. But what I want is either keep the base stats the same but give Marksman more defensive items to work with or revert the base health changes. But the thing is that you CAN play "supports" like Brand, Zyra, Fiddle, Lux and so on and carry. Where as for Marksman its all the same stuff basically.
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Ceberuz (EUW)
: 0 interest in listening to some squeky voice flaming when he spends 99% of the game chasing and dying, and not understand why the game was lost.., most players have a learning curve lower than a toddler in this game.., so I don't need to listen to their idiocy through coms! If something like this ever went live, I'd sooner disable the sound entire on my comp!
The same way you can mute him in chat, same way you can mute him in voice comms.
: And then there comes a dude playing russian hard bass / yasuo lvl 7 main / tilt incarnation. Pretty sure there will be more negative things than positive coming out from that. Eventually if people from the same country will meet there, then you won't understand a sh*t.
Why do people automatically think that Voice comms will be 100% toxic all the time, like it makes no sense, CSGO is more toxic than LoL is because there are no regional servers but games matched with Ping, so thats why you get a lot of Russians in your game, but most of my games in CSGO have been more less toxic than toxic, thats exactly why I think it worth TRYING OUT, if it is truly toxic all the time and stuff then they can remove it, it would be just for preseason.
: > i dont see the difference.. The difference is that toxicity in voice chat affects people way more. In addition there are special problems, for example that women have to face massively increased harassment in comparison to chat.
You guys dont seem to get it. Im saying to try it for preseason, see how it goes, I know for a FACT that so many of these keyboard warriors will just mute themselves and keep typing in chat instead of using voice chat when it comes to toxicity. And I say just try it for preseason because if it doesnt work they can remove it before season starts, it would be like an experiment, because right now everything you guys say arent facts, its speculations, thats the reason why I want Riot to try it.
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