Rioter Comments
TwîsT (EUW)
: I dont like snow sivir that much + I only payed 15$ on ebay for the skin
i presume you had to send riot a support ticket to get it to work on EUW? How long did they take to respond to you?
Eambo (EUW)
: Hey guys! We're aware of this issue and looking into it. Out of interest: - Does this only happen with one skin, or multiple? - Are these new skins only or ones you've owned for a while? - Does the error happen every game, or intermittent? Thanks!
it happens on at least one skin; arcade miss fortune. its stuck at the green chroma and i cant select another chroma/skin (even her base model). it happens every game and i have owned these chromas for like a year now
: I got banned because i couldn't pick the champion
if you are using an ethernet cable, unplug it before u open client so it runs on wifi, then plug ethernet cable back in in loading screen. the new client will disconnect if u change your internet connection in champ select. After one game it should have like resetted or something so you should connect your cable again and then open the client to make it work properly again
: Braum/Leona mains - I'd like your opinions, please.
braum is a disengage tank, he peels for his carries and follows up on cc. he also has engage, but it isnt the strongest. leona on the other hand is all in or die. she engages and tries to lockdown their carries. its whatever you prefer> peeling for your carry, or going for theirs.
: It depends on the role you play. If you play....idk....another tank, focusing the tank is probably not the best idea. But as an ADC...focus whatever you CAN focus without getting killed. ADCs have the highest consistent DPS of all champs, if they don't take out heavy targets, no one does. Your top priority as ADC is to deal damage without dying...of course preferably to very dangerous targets (like ADCs), but that's only second priority. First priority is still that you simply deal damage.
this was true back in season 5 or 6, now it the adc's role to just not die and allow tanks and midlaners to get to their targets while also providing siege and objective control. its all about utility now, damage adc's are out of meta.
illsagora (EUNE)
: Best song for Lol?
Like something bombastic ( so like pretty strong and warriorlike) but also not too extreme to like overshadow the gameplay. so therefore i mainly listen to woman singers, since they tend to be softer in their use of voice. then i pick a song which makes me feel empowered; mainly through lyrics, so you can sing along. like try a song which is like really deep for you and then you can sing with the lyrics while playing, instead of having to dance and get up. Myself i listen to Marina and the diamonds, Lana del rey and Lorde. Here is a suggestion: (please dont bash the song at first sight, try to really understand the lyrics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ZZUiVWlP0
Sácana (EUW)
: Augmented Singed is Bane from Batman for example, so it's the same universe as Harley Quinn and Joker... And to be fair there is an high ammount of skins who are inspired in chracters for movies. So I believe it would work, and I'm pretty sure that both skins would sell pretty well
they have done it in the past, but they are more cautious with copyright claims as of right now, and havent released any contest influenced by a character from another franchise in a while.
: Hey man how are those sketches coming?
Heya, Due to me being sick i havent been able to spend so much time on it, but i got some visuals for her q in mind. http://i.imgur.com/UzisBUz.jpg ( i will work her w, e and ult tomorrow )
candoodle (EUW)
: you are a yasuo main with 8 losses in a row 1 loss with 0 items on lee, 1 where you went full dorans ring on aatrox , and lets not forget the 1 / 10 / 4 yasuo game why would anybody add that
is he seriously proud of having zed and yasuo level 7 {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Kxlista (EUW)
: Plans for Kalista?
prob an increase in her base attack damage, and making the w attack speed more (or less when youre away from ur support)
: Well I am not too sure on lore but I guess I could make one. She is from Ionia and has pale like skin, she is about 16 years old, her personality she is kinda like the person who loves to go dancing at a party and she wears a long silk robe, she has black hair and blue eyes, she is good and kind. Her powers she uses force so imagine like when its hot and the air seems wavy like that outlined with a magical teal color, I will try and look for a picture if I can. Its like a kinda magic that you can use to impact on objects so its like air that's magically charged to the point you can see it and it can shatter the ground. I am gonna take a crack at the story but I have really had trouble with lore before anyway here goes. _Wendy was a noble whose family had lived in Ionia for years but she had an irregular name due to her father being noxian. She loved going to parties and being kind to people, if they wanted to drink she would buy them a keg. If they wanted to dance she would dance with them until they had no more strength left to dance. All that changed when a group of clergy men arrived at her home explaining that Wendy was to be the next guardian of ionia, this person was given the rare ability of the ancestors to control the pure energy that could shake the very bounds of the world. She was very reluctant at first but after she gained the power and years of her training she accepted who she was, but then her teachers was assassinated by a shadow who she would grow to hate, this shadow ran off into the night and now she goes off to find her destiny_
cool! ill make some composition sketches tomorrow. (like 4 so you can pick your favourite one or tell me what you want different). Hopefully i can finish them tomorrow otherwise its gonna be the day after. <3
: Thanks you were really helpful
ill do it for you, no problem. Have been looking for a project for a while. Could you perhaps tell me the following things; Skin color, body type, eye color, whats her personality like, is she evil or good, what kind of clothes does she wear, etc. Also, send me reference pictures to something u had in mind (colors, clothes, aesthetic). Clearly she uses the earth as her ult, what element does she use for the rest? Is she a like a earthbender, or just really strong? you have to tell more about her aesthetic and her overall story for me to be able to create something that fits your idea. kind regards, Support main
Rioter Comments
SeekerK (EUNE)
: Free Skin Contest nr 25
Hey! First of all, I would like to give a compliment to you. You're doing a good job at giving the community soething back and doing something good for a stranger. I would like to applaud for that! So, I would also be more than happy to join this contest. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Name all the champions that live in the City of Progress? {{champion:51}} Caitlyn, the Sheriff of Piltover {{champion:81}} Ezreal, the Prodigal Explorer {{champion:126}} Jayce, the Defender of Tomorrow {{champion:61}} Orianna Reveck, the Lady of Clockwork (i guess, she was created here) {{champion:222}} Jinx, the Loose Cannon {{champion:26}} Zilean, the Chronokeeper {{champion:42}} Corki, the Daring Bombardier {{champion:74}} Heimerdinger, the Revered Inventor {{champion:254}} Vi, the Piltover Enforcer {{champion:40}} Janna, the Storm's Fury ------------------------------------------------------ > - Which champion wrote this: "oh look - i'm opening my box of care! oh wait - it's empty!"? {{champion:222}} Jinx, the Loose Cannon --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Whose mother was killed, when she was just fifteen? {{champion:22}} Ashe, the Frost Archer When Ashe was only fifteen, her mother was killed while commanding the tribe on a brash raid. Suddenly thrust into the role of leader, Ashe made the difficult decision to follow her childhood vision instead of seeking the revenge she craved.
: Hey a main support here :) its real the grade system is just shit for supports, i saved tons of allies from death, look at my match history : 1/3/25 3/2/27 1/3/16 0/3/23 I did the calls for my team, warded as fast as i could, but i didnt get ONE S, i get grades like B or B+, sometimes a A- At a Nami game where i was 2/7/35, i really carried the shit out of my teammates, but got a C grade
well i figured that if you die more then twice as a support, your s grade is gone so yh maybe want to try to slow down on the dieing? like 7 deaths arent that much in comaprison to your assists, but im sure some could be prevented
: Yea ok whatever... this has nothing to do with the topic. I don't want to make anyone the target here it just pisses me off how discussions get destroyed by toxic comments on a regular basis. Comments that clearly are not meant contribute anything but rather use the topic as excuse to bully someone.
yeah, i found myself crossing the line too in this comment. ill delete it. i shouldnt let myself be lowered to that. thanks for pointing it out
: > [{quoted}](name=Banana Terror,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=a7vawKE5,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-20T11:25:27.763+0000) > > You don&#x27;t get ratings based on how you performed in the majority of all your matches. Each match his rated indiviually. There goes your argument. Maybe he had a few good games and was wondering why this wasn&#x27;t worth an S. > > Now you come in here and you only focus on his weak matches, that obviously don&#x27;t deserve an S and you are like &quot;lets check his history lolololol he is so bad, such noob much wow&quot; > > Thats not usefull at all. No. This is just your assumption, that I am pointing his mistakes with evil thoughts. Im pointing him out his problems, so he can take a note and improve. Otherwise getting an S is nothing more than game of chance for him. Pointing out mistakes is useful. People pay money for it.
pointing out mistakes? he didn't ask for a rant about hsi soraka. instead of actually giving helpful advice you decided to drag a bitch, call him bad, and making an unneccessary argument (which you have lost by defintion if it's a competition to you) don't try to have the last word in everything. is it rly that hard to own up to your faults and just let people be. i wont react to a further post from you, unless you show remorse and some proper respect towards others. nah nvm im not wasting my time
: > [{quoted}](name=Banana Terror,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=a7vawKE5,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-20T10:57:18.745+0000) > > What did I say to make me look good? I don&#x27;t know what you are talking about. > > Also &quot;most recent games&quot; =/= &quot;some recent games&quot;. > > And i am not lying. > > Since you are so good at match history research, you will figure this out on your own. > > And nother thing, don&#x27;t say &quot;end of discussion&quot; if you never tried to discuss. First you tried to pick a fight with the original poster and now with me. That&#x27;s all you did. There is no "a fight". Noone can ARGUE with me. Simply becuase everything is black on white. 27% win rate on one of the highest win rate champions? Yes. KDA below average? Yes... No vision denying? Hell yes. Match history :) Stop. Writing. I cant be wrong, because thouse are facts. If you think pointing out facts is toxic, think it. But keep your mouth shut and dont call me "toxic douchebag". This is toxic...
Noone can ARGUE with me. Simply becuase everything is black on white. did you just seriously say that. All you did was pick some random matches from his account and shared it with us. then you continue to say he is bad. I dont know why you feel the need to drag people down but let people have their dignity. THe reaosn he made this post is because HE is stating a fact : its more difficult to get an s on a support then on someone else. you can't die more then twice in order to have an s on janna or soraka Your thing about that he on ly cleared 2 wards is weird af. Maybe he is in low elo. they dont place wards there. So he has no wards to destroy. PLease don't try to argue every small point with people. its about the big picture: you try to drag this player down by stating that his soraka is bad (which isn't a fact, its subjective), and then continue to pick a fight with the person who is trying to defend him. Why does this community thrive on dragging others down. let people be in piece. he didn't ask for a review of his soraka. he just stated that even though you get a lot of assists, its more difficult to get a high grade. Also, your point about competing with other soraka players is complete bs. riot themselves stated that other players have no impact on this in any way, its just your score and the amount of assists/kills you ahve on drakes, barons, and structures.
: What fed rengar would ever waste a jump on a 2/12 ashe? LOL Also, OP, most of the things a support does are NOT quantifiable. There is no limit to utility. Keeping someone alive? Well from simple shields and heals, to a strong trading support to strong poke, they all count towards "keeping someone alive". My point is, this whole thread is stupid and I wasted a minute of my life typing this comment.
this entire game is stupid af yet we still waste our entire abdolesence on it
: I just think that playing support or any champion is more about making the correct decisions and how you use your kit and you need to look into the details. Everyone can figure out that janna has disengage, the question is HOW and WHEN do you use it to full efficiency. If you are at the point where you know "ok I should pick a tanky engage champion" then you obviously won't pick Soraka and take something like Leona, unless you don't care and you just want to play Soraka. xD
the thing is, utility has an endlessly potential power. a janna ult can save 5 people or knock their fed rengar towards your 2-12 ashe. Damage is easily calculated, but utility is more difficult to give a number to. As stated in the list, its up to circtumstances, decisions, skill and synergy .
Owyn (EUNE)
: How is Soraka strong now if you have to constantly land starfall on enemies to get your hp back? else if you heal your teammate few times - you go into dangerzone of hp already...
Yeah, she is intense to play in lane. Her matchup is almost completly focused on how many q's she can hit, and her positioning so she doesnt get hit by hooks or poke. if she fails to do these, sjhe will lose her lane. Its especially difficult against the extreme pick supports like blitzcrank, and can be very challenging versus the extreme poke supports like brand or zyra. (if you miss your q). she does however counter poke, as logn as she doesnt get hit by it. also, 3 potions give quite a bit of hp back if you keep healing
Sourika (EUW)
: No Wukong Support. Your List sucks.
added him in off meta, sorry i couldn't set in one of your favourite champions :{
Draqone (EUW)
: In my opinion Janna and Soraka can poke better than you placed them. Soraka pokes better than Thresh. (2 positions up) This is especially true with Q max first. Janna pokes better than Nautilus. (4 positions up) Obviously depends on the matchup, for example I wouldn't go too close to leona but generally that's how I feel it should look.
yha i wasnt too sure about this point either. nautilus has his e which pokes kinda good, and janna has her aa, and her w. Idk they both suck at poking, thats why janna takes spellthiefs to have at least some poke pressure with the extra damage on her aa and extra shield value
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R5fe4E8F,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-19T15:15:04.455+0000) > > No, i completly agree. Well rounded supports dont have solid weaknesses, outside of being immobile (like evry support but ok) > {{champion:267}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:25} > to name a few. > Nami however is the least effective vs ganks out of all of them. I wouldnt pick nami vs a gank heavy jungler, but i would if they have a farm heavy jungler. > I absolutely adore playing Nami, but just like the other well rounded she has her weaknesses (which aren&#x27;t as exploitable), and strengths (which in every point she is not the strongest). > > Nami offers everything in a above avarage way (some things less and some things more), apart from tankiness. > > I LOVE Nami and peed myself when i saw bang play her in msi {{champion:267}} To be honest, you got lot more to learn then. Nami is exelent against earlygame pressure.
Yeha you're right. she is good against early game pressure. but not the best. Janna, bard and thresh are probably the best in this. As i said, nami is not the strongest in any** solo** aspect of supporting. she is medium to good in **every** aspect. And c'mon, i dont mean to offend you, but other well rounded supports like bard and thresh are better at handling ganks then nami. Nami has other strong points, but her slow bubble combo needs quite a bit of setup, while bard and thresh have an easier time picking people off. Nami is really good in the hands of a good support player, yet she can feel extremely underwhelming if an unexperienced players plays her. This comes due to thats he has to do **everything**, and a lot of players can't handle to exploit all of her utility. I'm glad you like nami so much, we need more appreciation towards her (and other ap supports). Edit: since u like nami so much, i suggest u try out lulu and especially karma too. they are just as well rounded, but their strengths lay in different things. Personally i main Janna Nami and Karma. I really enjoy the feeling of potecting the adc, and tanky supports i find too easy/ not rewarding after a certain skill level. I've tried braum and thresh, but i prefer mages
: I disagreee on a crapload of positions in the this list but i don't think it's worth discussing, since i simply don't see the worth of forcing champions into certain cathegories. " Keeping Someone Alive " is the best example and even though heals can keep you alive, hello captain obvious, there are also so many other ways to keep allies alive with literally all support champions and it always depends on the situation. Zoning is also extremely situational and heavily depends on the match up.
Ofcourse, i compeltly agree. i just wanted to make this list for a bit of clarification on when you should pick what support . The places are heavily subjected to matchups, circumstances, and skill of the individual. I tried to make this list with as much thought as possible, and im sorry you disagree on a lot of places. If you would say which you mainly diagree on, i may look into editing it. EDIT: I've edited the list to say that this list is heavily subjected to matchups, circumstances, and skill of the individual support player didn't mean to make you upset, im not a rioter from high elo. And so are you. So i hope you understand i cant keep everyone satisfied, but im mostly (with the exception of a few places here and there) happy about this list
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R5fe4E8F,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-19T14:27:11.199+0000) > > Nami, just like karma and lulu, is a good well rounded support with disengage, poke, and nami even has sustain. however, she is not the best poker, she is not the best diengager, and not the best sustainer. She has a bit of every trait, and in my opninion thats why she is super strong, but lacks tankiness and survivability to make up for that. every small aspect of her kit can be abused and be used to achieve different goals. CDR is mandatory in her case, since she has so much utility and with good ap scalings. Why pick her over another well rounded suport like karma tho? Nami has engage with her bubble and with her ulti. Nami however does not have waveclear, nor long range poke (late game w on someone is already to close). > > I know you think nami is tanky. BUt you know she&#x27;s not. Ofcourse, weaknesses can be fixed via runes/masteries/items/summoners. but this doesnt change that her kit doesnt offer her tankiness. > > She offers more peel then karma but less damage. Karma&#x27;s poke is aoe while nami can hit two targets. > Karma offers more dueling , since her shield is aoe and spammable. Here is the problem I have: While all you say is true, the problem is, she does not have a solid weakness that can be abused to hell, like say soraka(focus fire) or janna(poke) or leona(Short range). We just agree to disagree cause we talk on different levels of gameplay: One is with all runes and masteries and gamestyles included, other is without them, just pure stats. last one is you.
No, i completly agree. Well rounded supports dont have solid weaknesses, outside of being immobile (like evry support but ok) {{champion:267}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:25} to name a few. Nami however is the least effective vs ganks out of all of them. I wouldnt pick nami vs a gank heavy jungler, but i would if they have a farm heavy jungler. I absolutely adore playing Nami, but just like the other well rounded she has her weaknesses (which aren't as exploitable), and strengths (which in every point she is not the strongest). Nami offers everything in a above avarage way (some things less and some things more), apart from tankiness. I LOVE Nami and peed myself when i saw bang play her in msi {{champion:267}}
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R5fe4E8F,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-05-18T21:44:16.342+0000) > > Ofcourse Nami and other ap supports have a lot of poke and especially nami can outduel in a 2v2. But, nami will still back off when a blitzcrank or leona will walk towards her. With zoning pressure i mean that the opponent is scared of you by even standing near you. These are mostly Tank supports, since they have a burst combo if they land one spell. A lot of pokers however need a lot of preperation to oneshot. Bu, being pokers, they will always have the zone advantage vs peel supports. They still lose vs Pick supports like blitz, thresh, morgana. > > So, in summary, the order of zoning goes: > Pick supports like blitzcrank, CC heavy supports like leona, Poke mages like karma and nami, Heal and Shield mages like janna and karma. > > Ofcourse the laning phase should always be won by a good nami and a decent adc, but every nami main knows Pick supports aren&#x27;t as affected by outdueling via poke as peel supports. Every good nami main knows they will let the enemy hit a hook and use q on their adc the moment they see themselves getting hooked. It's the principle of support hooking enemy support while enemy support negates the engage by using cc on adc. Also, manipulating minion waves(which I do a lot) means I can safely poke the all in engager down and if he decides to all in me, I just peel him off. Like I said, runesets for different matchups matter a lot. Nami has atleast 5 different runesets, ranging from cdr and ap poke to full tank runes. Same is with masterys, having atleast 3 different. Blitz zones with vision. You counter it with vision and poke. You keep behind minions and poke him down. If your adc gets hooked, you cc enemy adc and heal yours. If you are about to get hooked, you throw cc towards adc or if she is too mobile, towards support, negating the engage either way. You have enough time before getting hooked to throw in a w or a q-w animation cancel, either negating damage or negating the engage alltogether. You want to keep blitz towards enemy turret but not too far from center of the lane, saving money from pink and needing only upgraded sightstone(if gold item upgraded. Otherwise don't.) Runeset: flat armor reds, flat hp seals, flat mr glyphs, flat armor quints. Mobile adc runeset: flat armor quints, marks and seals, flat mr glyphs. Mastery page: 18/0/12, focusing deathfire touch, expose weakness, opressor and penetration in offence and focusing increased healing and lower summoner spell cooldown in defensive tree. Exhaust and Flash as summoner spells are mandatory, since after 6 you can not afford to not have it if blitz hooks your adc. It should never happen tho. Build: relic shield into eye of equinox into banshee veil into rilays(adds a slow to w). This will give you enough tankynesw to survive blitz burts as well as mobile adc runes giving enough to survive any adc damage. I find using it a lot more often than primary antiblitz runepage, as I love to get hooked only to force enemy adc out every time. Your e makes it rather easy to utilize eye of the equinox passive. Anti leona: Flat Magic resist marks,flat armor seals, flat cdr glyphs, flat ap quints. Mastery page 18/12/0, focusing on double edged sword, opressor and penetration, taking deathfire touch. First start is spellthief and refillable potiln, first back is at lvl 4 without adc, taking frostfang. The hardest part is this exact moment: the moment you get back to lane you have to go agressive to force em out right away, however, you also have to negate any and all leona engages to make sure you won't get hit lvl 5 powerspike. Ask your adc to poke enemy leona, if possible and not get in aa range for poke unless it's cait with her super long aa. Do it right and you force the enemy back, negating their lvl 5 spike before your adc gets lvl 6. Now keep in mind, you will hit 6 a bit later, thus you need to be very good at knowing, when enemy duo will hit 6 and avoid the engage. If you go wrong here, you will have to adapt to defensive playstyle till your 6 and then you can keep poking down enemy engager. After frost queens claim, take athenes or defensive item(DMP/Spirit visage/Banshee). Athenes is super good item, as you will be taking a lot of damage and thus getting those stacks rather easy, empowering heals every time your adc get's caught. I find it getting as my 3rd or 4th item most of the time. I usually finish boots first or second. Point of nami support is to negate any and all engages before it even started. He is supergood in both disengage(janna being only one stronger) as well as poke and sustain. However, to get her to that level of jack of all trades, she needs a lot of time and a lot of different builds depending on situation. Also, I always max CDR AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT negating my supportive effects.
Nami, just like karma and lulu, is a good well rounded support with disengage, poke, and nami even has sustain. however, she is not the best poker, she is not the best diengager, and not the best sustainer. She has a bit of every trait, and in my opninion thats why she is super strong, but lacks tankiness and survivability to make up for that. every small aspect of her kit can be abused and be used to achieve different goals. CDR is mandatory in her case, since she has so much utility and with good ap scalings. Why pick her over another well rounded suport like karma tho? Nami has engage with her bubble and with her ulti. Nami however does not have waveclear, nor long range poke (late game w on someone is already to close). I know you think nami is tanky. BUt you know she's not. Ofcourse, weaknesses can be fixed via runes/masteries/items/summoners. but this doesnt change that her kit doesnt offer her tankiness. She offers more peel then karma but less damage. Karma's poke is aoe while nami can hit two targets. Karma offers more dueling , since her shield is aoe and spammable.
: Patch 6.10 - The truth
Casiopeia doesnt suck anymore! she swallows
Nurglics (EUNE)
: where is illaoi?
I've put her into the off-meta part. I do see her potential with her targons on vesseled champions. She also has lane dominance against weak laners with her Passive and Making them vessels. However, The last time i saw her as a support was a week after her release. Illaoi is a lane bully but falls off extremely late game. Late game however, there's where adc's strive. ADC's need a good utility support for the late game to help them out, illaoi simply doesnt offer much in comparison.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Nami and zyra are actually one of the strongest zoners in the game. You can not trade with nami cause she will always come out ahead. Problem here is, what to build, to achieve that. And it's not about the build at all, it's about the starting runes.
Ofcourse Nami and other ap supports have a lot of poke and especially nami can outduel in a 2v2. But, nami will still back off when a blitzcrank or leona will walk towards her. With zoning pressure i mean that the opponent is scared of you by even standing near you. These are mostly Tank supports, since they have a burst combo if they land one spell. A lot of pokers however need a lot of preperation to oneshot. Bu, being pokers, they will always have the zone advantage vs peel supports. They still lose vs Pick supports like blitz, thresh, morgana. So, in summary, the order of zoning goes: Pick supports like blitzcrank, CC heavy supports like leona, Poke mages like karma and nami, Heal and Shield mages like janna and karma. Ofcourse the laning phase should always be won by a good nami and a decent adc, but every nami main knows Pick supports aren't as affected by outdueling via poke as peel supports.
Xaytsr (EUW)
: You missed supp kennen o3o
Sorry, added him into off meta supports. Just like the other mages {{champion:63}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:1}} , Kennen does a lot of dmg for a support and is treated as zyra in the list.
chill22518 (EUNE)
: lol, no {{champion:26}} ?
yeah some supports i had to let go since otherwise it would take up two lines and that would make it disorganized, but i guess zilean is a mix between a poke champ like zyra and somethign along the lines of janna and soraka. He would be high in Crowd control, keeping the adc alive and Poking. IN all the other criteria he is kinda meh and isnt rly special
Sidias (EUNE)
: HE put them in orded with items (Blitz can use the supp item) but Zyra cant
Yeah I've put the tank supports before the ap burst/poke supports since they build targons for the heal, and FotM for the shield later on.
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: Cool list +1
Thanks, it was kind of a huzzle with all the coding and stuff but it turned out good i think.
: You have Morgana twice in Disengage.
Thanks for your comment, it was supposed to be thresh <3
: Uhhh Janna has better roam than Soraka :3
thanks, placed janna a bit higher and soraka lower
Rioter Comments
: I beg to disagree, both Janna and Soraka can be very dominant in lane. It's just about how you use them and unskilled players being unable to use them to their full potential.
Yeah Janna And Soraka both can do well in lane, but have nowhere near the poke potential of a zyra or sona. Soraka and especially janna can both poke with spellthiefs, which gives extra damage on auto's, but every other spellthiefs user can do the same.
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AX2Y5iwE,comment-id=000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-05-18T14:41:49.500+0000) > > Yeah ill try to edit this post later tonight, was pretty tough to made this with he boards format ;/ Ok, ADD MORGANA TOO. (ANNIE AND BRAND.) as mages. Trundle is 10th in high ranked by win rate!!!
Trundle Annie Brand Lulu Morgana Fiddlesticks Tahm Kayle Zilean? any otherds?
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AX2Y5iwE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T14:06:20.998+0000) > > yeah you may disagree with the list, and yeah maybe leona deserves some more love. > > i didnt include lulu since i see her a midlaner (which you prob disagree on idc dont want to argue). Ok, lets say you made a little bit of po-po. I forgive you:) Where do you put taric then. :)
lol im rude af lemme apologise. ill try to get some love towards leona and taric, and include lulu bran dand zilean to this list too. thanks for notifiing (idk how you write it) me
: oh lol my bad guess i was Sparkling to much ^^
Yeah ill try to edit this post later tonight, was pretty tough to made this with he boards format ;/
: > [{quoted}](name=Support Maín,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AX2Y5iwE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-18T12:23:30.742+0000) > > idk why you need to drag people down but ok here we go > > peel is that you keep engaging targets from your adc, with cc or mitigate the damage with shield or heals > > ugh And yet we see leona at the last places, and lulu missing from the list entirely.
yeah you may disagree with the list, and yeah maybe leona deserves some more love. i didnt include lulu since i see her a midlaner (which you prob disagree on idc dont want to argue).
: I am not sure you understand some words correctly. Like what "peel" means.
idk why you need to drag people down but ok here we go peel is that you keep engaging targets from your adc, with cc or mitigate the damage with shield or heals ugh
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: Ill don't wanna take this too deep , so i just end it like this when you play Soraka against Zed again MSG me on this discusion again :) , and tell me how the Zed ganks where
Alright, since both of you have a pretty one sided view on assasins and how they interact with ap supports like soraka, im gonna try to clarify this (with Soraka as main focus point) ; Soraka is a decent laner due to her sustain. She wins matchups against poke supports, but loses against pick supports. Her greatest counter is if she gets picked. Either from hooks from supports, an ashe ult, or a well executed gank. Soraka, like every support, should always ward and position herself according to the knowledge she has over the position of the other team. She doesnt offer damage or poke however and lacks engage. This makes it hard to win lane since there are more lane dominant supports and she cant engage properly when her jungler ganks (with exception on a follow up with her silence , if her jungler cc's them). Soraka however, shines late game. the way she counters a zed is mainly with her ability to keep others alive. she does this with healing them, which is ofc reduced by grieveous wounds/ignite. But in the case of zed, she can put her E beneath the person he will most likely focus/on zed himself. this denies him his potential damage output, being his abilites. A support should always have exhaust when the enemy has an assassin. this counters them the most. How longer the game lasts, the more tools the support and adc get to deal with assassins like Zed. This includes more sustain with lifesteal and stronger heals/shields, more health with levels and potential defensive items. However, now it seems like assassins are weak, since supports counter them so heavily. But this is obviously not the case. Assassins always manage to dominate soloq. Zed, like all assasins, has to get a lead. All assassins have a weak level 1 by being melee (with the exception of lb, who pays for this with her lack of waveclear). Once they get their combo however, they can outduel almost any midlaner if played correctly. Assasins shine in the midgame. They roam easily with their high mobility and kill late game champions like shield/healer supports and adc's with ease via their high damage values, which they have achieved by getting a lead in their lane. When a zed is 16-4 its much harder to deal with him as a support. Its more difficult to use all of the potential tools to save your adc, since zed will be able to kill champions much faster. Also, due to the lack of gold income and levels you will have less tools to deal with him So, Ap supports are a lot about reaction times, and knowing what/when items should be used. {{item:3222}} {{item:3190}} {{summoner:3}} To counter the snowballing of an assasin like zed while being soraka, make sure to keep your wards updated, check the minimap every 3 or so seconds and make sure to back off when someone says ss, instead of waiting for a gank to happen. Also, make sure to ping enemy missing when you see someone is missing, and to ping people back if you think there's a possibility on danger. tl;dr If zed ults your precious adc, you exhaust zed, put an E beneath him, while healing your adc and slowing zed with your q. This is however far more challenging to do when the zed is fed, and your adc doesn't position well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - soraka perfect combo when zed ults your adc: E beneath him - Exhaust - Q on him - {{item:3222}} your adc - {{item:3190}} same with other ap supports; - karma : {{summoner:3}} Mantra empowered E - - W on zed - {{item:3190}} -{{item:3222}} - nami : {{summoner:3}} Ult - W on adc - E on adc - Q on assassin - {{item:3222}} -{{item:3190}} - Sona : {{summoner:3}} Ult - W on adc -Powerchord W (which reducess damage output by 45 percent or so) - Q on assassin - {{item:3222}} -{{item:3190}} janna is probably the best counter vs assasins, due to her ability to create distance between the adc and assasin. this distance has been removed due to the gapclosers of the assasins (like zed ult or w). - Janna combo with everything possibly used: {{summoner:3}} - E (shield)-{{item:3222}}- {{item:3190}} - Q - R Monsoon. Janna and soraka however dont have much lane dominance, which nami and karma and even sona do have. Nami, Karma and Sona are however extremely weak against ganks and pick potential. they dont have much mobility outside of ms boosts, and are easiliy killed due to their squishiness. Soraka has more lane dominance then janna with her heals and minimal poke, but pays for this by being weaker vs ganks since she has no knockup/isnt as fast. The pick supports pay their price for having their abiltiy to pick people out by the abilites being skillshots. this makes it easier to outplay them by stainding behind frontline/minions. they also offer less peel for an adc then ap support, but do have some tankiness and cc to offer in return. they do not amplify the damage of the carry, nor have much peel available, and most of them are melee. they however have the ability to roam and gank other lanes, while janna and soraka dont have any gank pressure. Janna and soraka just have to peel, blitz just has to pick ppl off, Leona needs to engage and Zyra/ Brand need to do damage Ap supports like Bard, Nami , Karma and Sona need to do all 4 of those things however, all on a much weaker scale however. Their kits are overloaded and have lots of utility, and deal more jobs instead of 1. Strongest to weakest in every aspect **Peel** - Janna, Soraka, Karma, Nami, Thresh, Bard, Sona, Nautilus, Leona, Blitzcrank, Zyra **Poke** - Zyra, Sona/Karma, Bard, Nami, Thresh/Soraka, Nautilus/Leona/Blitzcrank, Janna **Pick potential** Blitzcrank, Thresh/Leona/Nautilus, Bard, Zyra/Nami, Sona, Karma, Soraka, Janna **Kite potential** Janna, Karma,Bard, Nami/Thresh, Nautilus, Leona/Zyra, Blitzcrank/Soraka **Engage** Leona, Nautilus, Zyra, Bard, Thresh, Nami, Sona, **Disengage**Janna, Nami, Karma, Bard, Thresh, Zyra, Nautilus, Sona, Soraka, Blitzcrank, Leona. **zoning potential**Blitzcrank, Leona, Nautilus, Thresh, Bard, Karma, Sona, Nami, Soraka, Janna. **Roam potential**Bard, Thresh, Leona, Nautilus, Blitzcrank, Karma, Nami, Sona, Soraka, Janna And the 5 supports who are the most wellrounded, are Nami, Karma, Sona, Bard and Thresh. The Meta right now is most favourable for Peel supports like janna, karma, soraka (which 3 i main) And pick supports are always strong in soloq due to their potential to abuse bad positioning. So next time when your adc gets oneshotted by an assassin, blame the support. [#themoreyouknow](https://media4.giphy.com/media/Y2nbrJyAR6RiM/200_s.gif) - A shitty support main
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what build do you suggest?
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