: > [{quoted}](name=Scarlesh,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=43wx0Eet,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-15T11:22:40.971+0000) > > "After he transformed that bad player into a intentional troll, he carried on and whine, and when others in team told him to play they can win 4v5 he gave up to not give the troll a "free win" " > > > This never happened, nobody in the team believed the game could be won and they were just passively dragging it out in the nexus. The more you know, eh? ah you cocky with me also ? with "the more you knwo" line, seen to many situations and players like you, and people like you in my life. tell me this context ? https://i.gyazo.com/a7a03c5029f841807d7fdf5cc669678a.png last line ? it's not a response to somebody that want to win and you literally say (not in so many words): I don't want to win since I want to punish this troll, so why you (address to player that probably reported you) want to win and give him a free win ?!
Again, the question addressed the lack of surrender votes. If you want to pretend being in the right, download the game and see it for yourself instead of talking literally out of your ass. At no point, in the slightest, was the game even remotely close to being winnable - a fact everyone understood.
: > "Once again, punished because I have no self-control" Fixed that for you. he needs to self control himself as a guy ints his lane and runs it down mid hahaha. this is just straight victim bashing.
This guy gets it. Maybe if I also started inting down the lane, I would have had a more acceptable behaviour? Or was I supposed to just play the game and pretend the guy wasn't running it down? Are those people even listening to themselves?
: > [{quoted}](name=Strategical,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=43wx0Eet,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-04-15T09:10:44.825+0000) > > he whined for report because someone destroyed his game by inting and running it down mid. > i dont get your point is whining about trolling a crime ? > so basically troll destroys your life and you feel bad as result of it and feeling bad after being hurt is a bad thing ? > > lol So he is mad because that player lose his game and as a result he do everything he can to ruin it more ? The players that whine so much they don't care about the game anymore they just want the "revenge" and start begging everyone to report and are so fulfilled if they get the confirmations (especially from enemy) that they will report. From this logs we can draw an easy conclusion, and also see why he got punished https://i.gyazo.com/a7a03c5029f841807d7fdf5cc669678a.png At least one other player in his team feel that they can win 4v5 despide the intentional feeder, and Op reaction is to throw the game, to troll himself, to give up and spend rest of game whining, because the troll don't deserve a "free win". So he don't really care about winning games doesn't he ? he just care everybody to pamper his selfish and spoiled behavior and if somebody don't listen and do what he demand he get mad as he also did to the trol before he start trolling: https://i.gyazo.com/71e76eb0e00c183c64354e477846300c.png Here kayn dived the tower and died, it happened, bad players or bad decision happen all the time, and what he did ? he start flaming, blaming and and have superior attitude, listen to no explications, just wanted to flame and blame and kayn (a stranger on internet) to obey him! and what he got ? he got a troll he transform a bad player(bad decision) into a intentional troll! After he transformed that bad player into a intentional troll, he carried on and whine, and when others in team told him to play they can win 4v5 he gave up to not give the troll a "free win" So whyel kayn made him mad and angry, the OP made others made and angry with his giving up attitude, constant whining, and also maybe because he created the troll. So others didn't like his behavior reported him and he got punished for HIS OWN BEHAVIOR nothing relate to kayn! ************ **The events are not like you described:** kayn troll from nothing -> op whine - >op got punished by no reason **Events were like this:** kayn made a bad play and die diving (don't think to intentional feed) - > OP start whine, have superior attitude to not listen to kayn excuses and just move over a bad paly -> kayn decide to really give the OP a reason to whine -> start to intentional troll (not ok, and inexcusable, and deserve punishment also) -> OP continue to whine -> others in team told him to stop whine, to play they can win -> he give up because kayn don't deserve his superior carry and continue to whine - others bothered by OP attitude reported him -> OP got punished because of his spam, whine, flame, giving up! ********
"After he transformed that bad player into a intentional troll, he carried on and whine, and when others in team told him to play they can win 4v5 he gave up to not give the troll a "free win" " This never happened, nobody in the team believed the game could be won and they were just passively dragging it out in the nexus. The more you know, eh?
: I didn't waste time reading the logs. Someone from Riot already did this and they run this system from a long time. You play on their rules, not on yours so is logic that if they say that you was toxic then you really was. If Kayn what to troll then nothing will gonna stop him. You already lose the game but no, you want to make a drama for some LP that you can win in the next game. The troll get banned and you should move on, not start flaming and get without LP and also punished.
If you didn't, you have no business trolling my thread.
Necromant (EUW)
: u deserved to be punished cuz of ur negative attitude! Just because someone other is negative, u dont have to be!
So, you have to be a Zen monk to play this game, if what I said or did (which you didnt even bother copying as to what part, beside me stating simple facts) is negative and liable for punishment.
Necromant (EUW)
: nope cuz this person was maybe one day like u. step by step to the abyss. and for sure, what brings to flamme him? he wont stop either. u just get punished for negative attitude.
So your answer is, I'm deserving of being punished because someone inting tilted me, Because i might one day int myself. Nice logic, unfortunately, I don't think I have any interest in continuing to talk to you.
: > Once again, punished because someone else in the team is running it down mid Once again someone make a silly excuse for his punishment.
Have you actually bothered reading the log? And the fact that the kayn in question was running it down into enemy turrets with movespeed items and was collectively reported by both teams? And I am at fault here?
Necromant (EUW)
: I wont. cuz i dont use the chat either and just think: next. Such games happend. Dont get salty or somedays u are the one who run down some lane because smth dont went well in your game/with ur role/champ. Mindset is the keyword.
This is stupid. I never 'run it down some lane' intentionally. I have bad games like everyone does, but there's a net difference between dying several times to an unlucky matchup or whatever, and intentionally ruining the game for 4 other people. Do you understand that?
Necromant (EUW)
: Why u write so much? lol
because a kayn is inting in my lane - and then as soon as he respawned he bought ghostblade and AP movespeed items and began to repeatedly int my very same lane, throwing a whole game on his little tantrum. You would be a little peeved too, wouldn't you?
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: Nothing new that punishments are given out on pretty vague players. "He started it" might not be an excuse for breaking the rules, but give us atleast the satisfaction to give the player triggering others into missbehaving atleast the same punishment, if not a harder one. Erring is human and not everyone posesses ALWAYS enough patience to resist emotions taking over. Someone might have had very stressful past days, maybe even a death of a relative that set up a really bad mood already. Getting across players who quickly start to flame other people for their dumb mistakes and might even start trolling cuz "they aren't the star of the game where the entire team guards up their butt so they can feel like Faker", that might be the drop that makes the barrel of negative emotions overflow. I have come around countless games as jungler, where one or multiple lanes did stupid actions where majority of the cast would put the mistake equal to "just running it down". Countless games where me and my Duoq Midlaner have set up really good vision controll, the enemy jungler passes FIVE, i repeat; FIVE freaking wards walking to botlane. I wrote in chat "care enemy jgl bot inc", spamm pinged on every ward he passed. Yet the botlane had to greed so heavily that they both get caught with less than 20% HP (and no summoners) and obviously give a double to the enemy jungler. 10 seconds after they die, classic "if you lose your lane, blame your jungler" mindset comes up. Classical "better jgl wins" or "jgl difference again". Now tell me, isn't it human to loose your nerves at some point when you come across dull people like that all day, or you already had a hella bad time lately and thus are easier to crack into breaking the rules? Isn't it justified for the jungler to get mad who has twice the CS lead over the enemy jungler due to counterjungling, solokilled the enemy jungler twice? Set up a lot of deep wards gaining vision controll to take the enemy jungler completly out of the game? And then the greedy botlane, who refuses to listen to the rest of the team, puts the enemy jungler back into the state of being equal in strength or getting a huge comeback ruining all your ingame efforts for the first 10 minutes of the game, putting you back where you started. Now I just mute those people and accept the defeat if they refuse to cooperate with the team in most cases. But if I wrote a SINGLE comment back to defend myself, I would've run into the risk of getting punished for 2 other players being hella toxic and basicly trolling the game. What I personally mean when I say "but he started it" isn't that my behaviour was appropriate, it's about the most toxic guy in the game who started the entire cluster%%%% to get a punishment aswell. I have countless examples where I litereally needed inhuman patience equal to a monk training for his entire lifetime to hold back and not say anything inappropriate back. What I also see very often, that normal communication or actual good critism towards your fellow players gets recognized as toxic behaviour way to often. I once got a chat restriction of 10 games for blaming adc/mid for not building morelloes/executioners when the enemy team had darius, warwick, vladimir and a soraka and just overran us with all their heales. I haven't said anything that should've been considered toxic. All I said is "Guys stop fighting, you didn't even realize you had to build grievious wounds and yet you blame and insult others for the lost game"
This is absolutely how it is. I could've not made a better example of the situation EUW is in right now.
: I'm watching the match you are talking about, and to me reform is less about what you said, but your attitude. You, like many players, immediately look for someone to blame whenever things go wrong. For example, your red buff and raptors got stolen by Rek'sai at level 1 and you immediately blamed it on the afk Aatrox. Please, go back and watch the replay to see exactly what happened. 4 of them invaded your top-side jungle right at the beginning of the match and were sat there waiting for your red buff to spawn. Aatrox being afk didn't change that, and chances are if he were standing in that part of the jungle he would have been caught out and had to flash away. Let me remind you that you picked a relatively slow-clearing jungler who also needs level 6 to pull off efficient ganks. Of course Rek'sai is going to take advantage of this and counter-jungle you. Why are you blaming that on your teammates?
> . 4 of them invaded your top-side jungle right at the beginning of the match and were sat there waiting for your red buff to spawn. Aatrox being afk didn't change that, and chances are if he were standing in that part of the jungle he would have been caught out and had to flash away. Actually, if you knew how typical jungle control goes, you would know that an alert toplaner DOES check out his side of the jungle for invades. Please take a look at any pro games, and see if their laners have nothing better to do than to stand in base until minions spawn. Whether or not Aatrox would've died, or he would've been able to not just scout the invade from the safety of a bush, but get the middle laner (and eventually me) to repel it, is inconsequential. By being AFK, none of that could happen and the jungle was lost because of that. That's a cost opportunity that you will not get back. Even KNOWING that they took my red, would enable me to take *their* bottom red in retaliation and alter my jungle path accordingly - all information that could not be obtained until I literally walked into a desolate top jungle. I get that you're trying to justify the company, but you're literally grasping at straws there my friend.
: "He started it" isn't really a valid excuse in these scenarios, nor in most similar verbal (text here) conversations or exchanges. You have the power to be the bigger person and ignore it. If you take the bait and break the rules yourself as well... well I'm sorry that's on you. No one forced you to make that decision, it's a conscious decision you made yourself. This is all regardless of the fact that the person baiting you is held to the same standard. The system doesn't randomly pick and choose who to ban. That's not how it works. So if you report them, and it's more than a "once off" then it's likely they will face repercussions too. It's also worth noting that these restrictions are based off regular patterns of behaviour, not once offs. Reform cards just provide the most recent examples. EDIT: >does so by actively rewarding chat toxicity and punishing those who've been victim of it. Can you provide a source for this? I see toxicity punished on the daily. Most of my posts are usually player behaviour related at some point. I've also never had an infraction or restriction, and I've been playing since season 2 - and I can pretty much assure you that I'm not toxic...nor have I ever seen toxic behaviour been rewarded in my years of playing.
> Can you provide a source for this? Unfortunately, I didn't take screenshots of the comments that led to mine. Think I should from now on?
: > so no, that's coming out of your fantasy You said it yourself : "**_- over multiple games_**". That's your answer, you did it for many games and not only once. > and the logs would prove my answers were defensive at best. They are proving that you were flaming, insulting and deserves the punishment. It doesn't matter who started.
> You said it yourself : "- over multiple games". That's your answer, you did it for many games and not only once. I meant that, *in the past* there have ben log sheets covering multiple games. This time, it was nothing but this one single game, otherwise, those logs would've been too, posted. I hope that clarifies things for you.
Scarlesh (EUW)
: That's some insightful comment, to be sure. I bet if someone in the streets randomly socks you in the face, you would perfectly rein the urge to give them one back, while tipping your hat and bidding them a good day. Respect is earned, not given, and unless you're literally an automaton, anyone can lose their patience when targeted by harassment themselves.
My point altogether, when making this post is that "rules are rules", but unfair rules deserve taking change into consideration when they come around and punish someone who's been goaded into breaking them.
: Hey ! I think you're confusing things. Honor have nothing to do with gameplay or KDA, you may be the best player in the world, but bans are related to behavior. You clearly flamed your teammates and insulted them which means that you totally deserve those punishment. You were just taking your anger on people having bad games. So it was nobody's fault except you and it wasn't just 1 game where you lost your cool but something recurring over many games. > but ALLOWING and empowering people into ruining games and wasting hours upon hours of progress for others to go perfectly unpunished Did you even look at your profile? You've basically been feeding during all your games. So you're the one ruining other's games > Get baited, get jailed. My disappointment in the customer service is immeasurable and my experience ruined. You ruined many people's experience
> You were just taking your anger on people having bad games. So it was nobody's fault except you and it wasn't just 1 game where you lost your cool but something recurring over many games. Excuse me, are you a Riot employee? I have had a suspension where multiple chat logs were provided - over multiple games, but as I stated, this was the one and only log provided, so no, that's coming out of your fantasy. I was perfectly content on minding my own business rather than taking anything on anyone, and the logs would prove my answers were defensive at best.
: There are rules. You were aware of those rules. You still broke them anyway. Don't complain about getting the punishment you knew you had coming. It matters jack shit who "baited" you into saying those things. All u needed to do was not respond. Also, can people stop portraying "reforming" as some kind of great achievement that they deserve to be rewarded for? Not being an asshole is not an achievement. It should literally be the default.
That's some insightful comment, to be sure. I bet if someone in the streets randomly socks you in the face, you would perfectly rein the urge to give them one back, while tipping your hat and bidding them a good day. Respect is earned, not given, and unless you're literally an automaton, anyone can lose their patience when targeted by harassment themselves.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Scarlesh,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AaEX9WTJ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-11T18:06:40.116+0000) > > Hence my complaint to begin with! A manual review would not get you any different result. **Scarlesh: 0 iq** Scarlesh: et outta my jungle Scarlesh: yep Scarlesh: not like u did anything **Scarlesh: god damn Scarlesh: the 1v5 is hard** **Scarlesh: nah you were just trolling and stealing my jngl** Scarlesh: don't try to bullshit **Scarlesh: stop talking** Scarlesh: BACK Scarlesh: nice work kassa **Scarlesh: GG report soraka** This is the reason for your cr. You lost your shit after some time, and you were quite toxic. Directly insulting people, accusations of sabotage, report calling, telling your entire team they suck hard (1v5 is hard....)... You didnt get a CR because it is an aoutmated system, oyu got it because you are a flamer, and that is how Riot deals with flamers.
are you for real? The person in question was ACTUALLY stealing my jungle, and I was calling him out on it. A soraka, stealing jungle camps. Are you saying the societal norms degenerated to the point you can't even call people out on their bullshit? Was I supposed to tell him "pls continue trolling and stealing farm from the jungler"?
: It is 140% automated this is widely known. Context doesnt matter at all as well.
Hence my complaint to begin with!
Scarlesh (EUW)
: the best part is, the 0IQ comment was towards kassadin after he got a triple and flash+ulti into their adc hoping for another kill, only to be one-shot as he was 5%hp. It was all in good spirits.
Which furthers my point, that this system is most likely automated as it certainly is NOT taking sentences and words into their context.
: Report calling and the 0 iq statement are the only "toxic" things here. Its just 1 game tho, i wouldnt give you a chat restrict for this.
the best part is, the 0IQ comment was towards kassadin after he got a triple and flash+ulti into their adc hoping for another kill, only to be one-shot as he was 5%hp. It was all in good spirits.
: Pictures can be edited in any way as well. In fact the one you gave us is edited. Copy paste the entire chat log please.
If you insist? Scarlesh: yeah yeah Scarlesh: so long as he's not under his tower or anything Scarlesh: np Scarlesh: why sit and trade auto Scarlesh: if she's 1 lvl over Scarlesh: wtf Scarlesh: ward infernal pls Scarlesh: they want to take it Scarlesh: ward infernal if you can pls Scarlesh: stop flaming Scarlesh: pls stop flaming Scarlesh: come kass Scarlesh: contest Scarlesh: dragon Scarlesh: what Scarlesh: are you doing Scarlesh: without me and vayne Scarlesh: ?? Scarlesh: that was foolish Scarlesh: no sry Scarlesh: leave to me Scarlesh: 0 iq Scarlesh: et outta my jungle Scarlesh: yep Scarlesh: not like u did anything Scarlesh: god damn Scarlesh: the 1v5 is hard Scarlesh: nah you were just trolling and stealing my jngl Scarlesh: don't try to bullshit Scarlesh: stop talking Scarlesh: BACK Scarlesh: nice work kassa Scarlesh: GG report soraka Scarlesh: Toxic and inting all game By the way, notice the actual kudos I gave the one other player who was tryharding with me (Kass). How is that even remotely toxic?
: Never call for reports.
Entire team already agreed to report the single toxic individual who was striving to make us LOSE the game (per his own words), so how is that a punisheable offense? It's not like I'm forcing anyone to report someone - I'm giving my input on chastizing a toxic player.
Poloqu (EUNE)
: Player intentionally losing game goes unpunished
The best part, is that if you flame that player, you WILL be chat restricted and banned from any future rewards for half a year.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: In the top right side of the chatlog screen there is a copy key. Use that
If I copied a chatlog, it could be easily edited in any way I'd like.
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