: Supports/jungle EUW vs Other region
You will often hear that good laners enable the jungler, many KR junglers say so (tarzan, clid etc). In KR the laners play around their jungler, here there is no such thing... If you watch dopa, you will see him protecting his jungler's camps, he will also try to burn his laner's flash AND setup the gank, if all that fails he will just roam with him. In our region there isn't anything close to that. Here you will be lucky if your laners don't spam ping you with question marks and start typing "jg diff" when they get 1v1ed. Also, when KR supports play on NA,EU they don't play their role. They won't play support in solo q because they think our laners are trash and don't want to support for them. Which is quite fascinating tbh. Idk anything about NA but KR is a different ballpark.
: Muay Thai Lee Sin Chromas
I've always wondered why they haven't done it already. It's the best lee skin. Although in terms of looks I think traditional is my favourite. I'd like to see black shorts + black headband would be bad !@# !!
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karolmo (EUW)
: If you're going +14/-24 it means you earned too many LP off the bug and your MMR is a league or two behind your rank. The reset will probably hurt you lol.
: No offense, but have you considered to be one of those who have profited of the bugs in LP gains and thus are ranked too high? I know this does not feel good for anyone and imho is the main reason Riot should have hard reset the ladders. Because this seems to affect a large amount of players creating a very bad impression of their individual progression (assumingly leading to an increased amount of toxicity - I would be very interested in those stats but we'll never get access to that).
> [{quoted}](name=Il Sten lI,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=L5IxIMNV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-18T17:48:49.613+0000) > > No offense, but have you considered to be one of those who have profited of the bugs in LP gains and thus are ranked too high? > > I know this does not feel good for anyone and imho is the main reason Riot should have hard reset the ladders. Because this seems to affect a large amount of players creating a very bad impression of their individual progression (assumingly leading to an increased amount of toxicity - I would be very interested in those stats but we'll never get access to that). Not rly. I was dia 3 preseason and my lp gains were fine.I was also seasoned dia player on eune before I got banned but never in my life have I had such terrible lp gain/loss ratio...
: when will diamond+ LP be back to normal. +14 -24 is depressing af.
Idk what bugs are you on about guys, I started the season in Plat III and got to Dia with +20/-18 and once there this shit started and it hasn't stopped...
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: It's not the system, it's you. You already have 330 games, and a "negative" win-rate. The system sees you as someone who doesn't belong in that particular rank, and tries to get you to your true rank, that corresponds with your MMR. It's working as intended..
You are stupid. This is for Dia players only. Riot doesn't want Diamonds to climb to masters so we are stuck with this shit for a while now. I have no idea if they even intend to fix it. It has nothing to do with MMR/winrate or whatever.
gidson (EUNE)
: Diamond lp
> [{quoted}](name=gidson,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=xUyEhqWG,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-24T11:59:23.504+0000) > > These restricted lp gains in diamond+ need to stop. It ridiculous!! I have 73% win rate and my win/lose lp's are 20/18 how is this even fair?? At first I thought it's only for soloq (still bad but w/e I can play flex till it's sorted out) but I get the same BS on flex too!! Yeah it's bullshit. And since a lot of players have come to the realisation that they can't climb out of diamond it's a complete shitshow rn lol. Nobody gives a shit if they win or not, crapton of ppl are stuck in D4 (myself included). Playing for +13-15lp and losing 20 is not a great way to incentivise try harding.
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: When will LP normalise ? (+14 LP per win, sometimes even less)
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Muuaahh (EUNE)
: Do you actually get worse players in your promos?
> [{quoted}](name=Muuaahh,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=EIGZ87wn,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-17T21:53:23.777+0000) > > Everytime when i get in promos i feel like i get complete apes in my games. I somehow manage to get the lowest IQ players possible in my promo games and they just 'int'. This is actually coinflip, uncarryable games, one troll in your team and the entire game is done. 100% positive. I always get the heaviest teams when in promo and atleast 1 game I'll get instant Q into offrole. And then I'll go on a losing streak most of the times. 9/10 times when I break my back in promo games I'll start a losing streak in next division, I mean literally unwinnable games where it just doesn't matter what champs you are playing or how you are playing just absolute trash ass players that don't belong. So in a way, you get worse teammates but it can always be worse somehow (if that makes sense ? ).
tobí (EUW)
: coinflip matchmaking.
I got promoted to Plat II and I'm still playing in gold games. And no it's not MMR I'm literally playing with people who were continuously in gold/silver for multiple seasons. Funny thing is, the game is throwing in games that range from G4-P1 on a daily basis which is ridiculous... **This season I've been in games with such range that people from them _cannot duo q together_ afterwards but somehow they got in the same game....**
Marcua (EUW)
: I can understand the frustration, but if you had Dia 3 mmr, you would likely be in Diamond 3 games. The mmr is a secret kept by riot, and all platforms that say they can tell you it, is using an algorithm to guess. The matchmaking in the start of every season is always a bit whack. It will change :)
I was giving you an example from last season and the point was that you don't get diamond rewards for playing in diamond games. The elo system the game started with was pretty straightforward: 1.Your elo is your "division" 2.Your MMR is your elo 3.You get rewards based on your elo(MMR matching your elo) Those platforms are pretty accurate when it comes to MMR so it's not guessing I can tell you that much. But if you wanna believe they are not accurate just because riot doesn't want to reveal it themselves because they will look like the fools that they are , is up to you.
: Who won :)?
> [{quoted}](name=pro Tennoko ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=QBR3sIJ9,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-02-14T10:17:57.757+0000) > > Who won :)? Botlane had 1 death per minute collectively and their turret died before 14th minute (enemy got all plates and went top to take some more), Take a guess. xd
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >I feel like the matchmaking system is pretty bad atm, me and my wife keep getting lower elo players on our team and getting people from higher elo's on enemy team. thats because ppl started crying about premades having some kind of advantage over others so now riot matches premades against higher mmr ppl
I would love to play Solo q. Actual Solo q. There are plenty of players that que solo. PLENTY !!!
: remove lp and divisions and bring back elo
I 100% support that. When I got Dia III MMR but I'm still Plat I is beyond stupid. Same goes for players stuck at the bottom of their divsion that only lose MMR but do not get demoted and sit there being gatekeepers (looking at you Dia IV 0 LP with low plat MMR players). Being Plat with Dia MMR will not give me Dia border.
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Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Like what? Get {{item:3026}} as my first item with that pathetic 45 AD? If I build AD items with resistance, I lose a fair chunk of possible damage I could deal. No matter how you build, you're either not effective enough to be super useful in team fights or you are deleted instantly if you have no one to peel for you.
Why do you think ezreal is so effective ? You think if he was building trinity instead of gauntlet he would be meta ? Don't think so...Same with lucian and his cleaver. This an issue every champion has to deal with every single game. As I said "Probably ADC main building full dmg complaining about getting one shot by another champion also building full dmg..."
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: I don't care if you lose viewers, just lower the damn damage in the game across the board
Probably ADC main building full dmg complaining about getting one shot by another champion also building full dmg...
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: That is very true the game does want to get back to 50% win rate no matter what. So last season i managed to get into diamond 3 promos with 62% win rate. Both the promo's where 20 mins stomps for the enemy team, then after that it was impossible to win a singe game, i mean my bot lane kept inting and lost turret in under 8 mins. I think i managed to derank all the way back to p3 in less then a month. The funny thing is this account finished D4 with 56% win rate yet, this season i am currently at around 30% in p2-p3 unable to win a single game with out some trolling or playing beyond bad.
I got to d3 in preseason and now I'm getting losing streaks in plat 3-2. There is so little you can do when bot laners manage to go 1 death per minute collectively...
: Then why Challlengers climb so easy on the smurf accounts? And why if I don't tryhard in my ranked games I keep losing? Last season I went from SIlver I to Silver IV doing nothing in my game. I just played safe on my lane and 0 roaming. So I had like 15-20% winrate because sometime the enemy team didn't had a strategy and lose the last teamfight because my team had more AoE champions than them. And one month before the season ended I climbed fast to get that free skin + champion if I don't own him. Here is another explication and what Hansiman said is quite closer.
Smurfing is a different story m8. Challengers have confirmed MANY MANY times that if you don't climb right away with your main account, for example if you go on a losing streak as the seasons starts your MMR becomes shit, it's better to just make another account and start again with hopefully a win streak. Most people play on 1 account only and if they start their season with a losing streak their MMR goes down a shithole and can barely climb with 50+ win rate. Once accounts hit master+ they are set in stone and can't get stuck because even if they go 0:10 on their placements they can't get placed below diamond. So they can't go back into "elo hell".
: there is nothing that can be done except for a completely new system
Not rly, Hots is using division system aswell and they have banking and it's pretty %%%%ing good !!
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Shozis (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SchaferBot,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EEPGsMEq,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T08:27:21.826+0000) > > Only yesterday I encountered 4 inters in 6 games. Are they banned ? No. Did I report them ? Yes. > I even offered riot names and replays of the games but apparently they are under the riot "protection" because there is some garbage "no naming and shaming" policy which prevents me from directly pointing some of the trolls out. > > So basically I can just report (which just doesn't work, I've checked their op gg profiles and they keep on playing ( can't link because of the forementioned policy). > > Honestly if riot actually LET US HELP THEM it'd be much easier, point out trolls on the forums and in games and punish them. Their system doesn't work unless they've been toxic in chat at which point they get the chat restriction penalty (lol). > > There are many steps that can be taken. I just have no clue what riot games are thinking/doing. Naming and shaming is against the rules because it would only lead to witch hunts and people would start to post the names of innocent people simply out of spite. As already mentioned in this thread system is not perfect and it's hard for AI to tell apart bad score from inting. Even if you point out trolls manually Riot employees would have to actually check the game to see if it's not simply a bad score but legit inting and for that a huge manpower would be needed - like thousands of employees which is quite unrealistic demand. If you entrust this process to players where is a guarantee that they won't ban innocent people when every second flamer calls anyone with bad score an inter and troll? I really wonder though where you get all those inters from. I've been playing for 5-6 years and probably met less than 5 legit inters/trolls.
I get them in platinum, it's usually all good and dandy in silver/gold/diamond but platinum is where the scum of the earth is at. Duo q premades are the ones you should be afraid of the most.
Hansiman (EUW)
: And most people don't actually go into game "waiting to intentionally feed", they usually attempt to justify their actions as well. Do you know what a common excuse these players use for their behavior? Other people flaming them. So flamers blame those that intentionally feed. Those that intentionally feed blame flamers. So who's the issue?
https://i.gyazo.com/e025153ceb74dee876f3d09f842135f2.png OH I'm sure they don't... I can dig few more if you are not convinced, it's not an issue for me.
Zymexxx (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EEPGsMEq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T17:49:10.273+0000) > > Why stop going after one group of violators to stop another? The goal is to get rid of both of these types of players. > > But regardless of how much effort Riot places into these systems, they cannot prevent someone from breaking the rules if that's what they're after. The existence of justice systems doesn't mean that crime won't happen, it just happens less, and there are consequences for these actions. This guy is the typical jaded Riot employee who doesn't understand where the problem of "toxicity" comes from. 10 years. Seriously and you still don't understand. It is mindboggling.
And he is going to put his clueless opinion (which is just spam at this point) on every thread and gonna argue over something arbitrary. People don't go into games thinking "I can't wait to trashtalk some guys", they go into a game, their bot laners get 10 deaths by the 10th minute mark and the support starts running it down and "the toxic guy" is forced to sit there and endure that "non-toxic" behaviour for 5 mins and it honestly takes a toll on a person. Best part is when the trolls put No on the surr vote and you have to wait another 5...
Shozis (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SchaferBot,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EEPGsMEq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T17:54:47.548+0000) > > The issue with the system is if you say bad words you know you are in trouble but if you wanna run it down, you do it without typing anything in chat and you simply get away with it. There are not enough consequences for inting compared to toxicity rn when one is much bigger issue than the other. I don't care about flamers,mute. Good luck "muting" someone who is playing for the enemy team. What do you suggest? It's harder for AI to tell apart bad score from intentional feeding than it is to detect toxic chat. That's why flamers are punished more often than inters. However, inters get punished much harder and get insta 14-day ban once detected while toxic players usually have more punishment levels.
Only yesterday I encountered 4 inters in 6 games. Are they banned ? No. Did I report them ? Yes. I even offered riot names and replays of the games but apparently they are under the riot "protection" because there is some garbage "no naming and shaming" policy which prevents me from directly pointing some of the trolls out. So basically I can just report (which just doesn't work, I've checked their op gg profiles and they keep on playing ( can't link because of the forementioned policy). Honestly if riot actually LET US HELP THEM it'd be much easier, point out trolls on the forums and in games and punish them. Their system doesn't work unless they've been toxic in chat at which point they get the chat restriction penalty (lol). There are many steps that can be taken. I just have no clue what riot games are thinking/doing.
Lynnedin (EUW)
: Support intentionally feeds 0-18 in a 28 minute ranked game and no ban??
how about your morde and nunu "bot" lane that also is not getting punished. https://i.gyazo.com/e025153ceb74dee876f3d09f842135f2.png
Hansiman (EUW)
: Why stop going after one group of violators to stop another? The goal is to get rid of both of these types of players. But regardless of how much effort Riot places into these systems, they cannot prevent someone from breaking the rules if that's what they're after. The existence of justice systems doesn't mean that crime won't happen, it just happens less, and there are consequences for these actions.
The issue with the system is if you say bad words you know you are in trouble but if you wanna run it down, you do it without typing anything in chat and you simply get away with it. There are not enough consequences for inting compared to toxicity rn when one is much bigger issue than the other. I don't care about flamers,mute. Good luck "muting" someone who is playing for the enemy team.
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Hansiman (EUW)
: > My experience is MY opinion which I have every right to express. When you single out EUW players as a group as being the problem, you're crossing the border to harassment. And no, you don't have the right to express that, because we have rules against it.
So pointing out I'm getting trolled by euw players is a harassment to them ? Are you even hearing yourself ? I will express my opinion as I just did so go cry to someone else about rules and what not. I'm not gonna stand worthless comments and sassy remarks. I'm playing on EUW, I'm getting trolled by EUW players, it is what it is. Go be politically correct somewhere else.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Or how about you don't single out an entire server of players based on a few personal examples you've experienced? Keep things civil and constructive here.
I have clearly pointed out issues with trolls which you all choose to ignore, how about you keep your useless spam out of this thread ? If you are not going to asnwer my question don't bother spamming here. My experience is MY opinion which I have every right to express. As we are speaking I'm getting trolled by nunu and morde bot lane which do the same sh*t(follow me in jungle and inting) from minute 1.
: My experience in EUW and the first game I AFKed. Playing since S2.
Maybe I should delete the comparison part since EUW players get triggered and can't get past it and respond on the actual topic lol.
: >Define ''better'', is it because every Pro player plays there? EUW is better because the skill level in the **highest** tiers is higher (so not because of the pros) and the player count is higher which leads to better matchmaking and faster queue times. >I had the same %%%%ing experience as him, people would take my role on blind pick Yeah... You played blind pick. They do that on every server just as much. Not a valid argument in this discussion.
Well, I play ranked. And my blind pick leveling was worse aswell. Idk about the queues but higher player count doesn't make better matchmaking, and the count difference isn't even big enough for that to be any factor.As I said, this kind of behaviour here is on regular basis.
Shamose (EUW)
: ***
You are the one jumping on the euw/eune "kind of thread" train. My thread has very specific issue and few questions beside the first 2 lines that you read and deliberately decided to skip the rest and made this post.I simply gave my feedback about EUW compared to EUNE server since I CAN actually give such because I've played season+ on both servers now.
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