: > [{quoted}](name=2Bibby,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2rczaXAF,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-02-29T07:54:08.700+0000) > > They never listen, thats why I don't ss ping. I ping lanes to retreat instead. That doesnt help either, i use both SS ping and DANGER in the other lanes...noone gives a F***. Then they die and complain i should have followed (even if my laner was killed in lane and went from base to enemy lane).
+1, same here :) They expect you to be there for a countergank just in case, while you lose an entire minion wave and then your opponent wasn't even bot and gets an advantage from you. They should listen to pings. If they would just ward near the river and enemy blue + brush they would see it coming, even from base.
Perilum (EUW)
: Last hit a minion. Watch the map. Repeat. And don't spam pings, because people start to ignore them. And don't ping into other people's visions hysterical, because people get mad.
Its not that easy as you've said. You gotta focus on more than just last hitting in lane unless you decide to play safe and to freeze the lane. If the enemies harass you much, you can't just watch every time after a last hit on the map, because the one second you do it is the second Thresh flashes into you and E's you. You also have to watch your support or you tell him from the begin to play safe.
: this game IS wasteing time.. !
> [{quoted}](name=I AM GODFATHER,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=czjEEWxa,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-29T04:25:40.020+0000) > > im always saying.. dont troll. try for comeback.. dont rage dont leave.. play farm !!! > but for what !? im not even playing 1 round without trolls or afk ppl !! > kids trolling all games.. and the troll guy is feeding them ! i was 10/0 in mid.. im used TAB key too see score's LOL theyr jungle is 21/0 From bot lane and our jungle.. and this happens All the time.. i have too fuck myself as adc (if i was lucky for a good sup) and Try too maybe ! 20% chance too win the game.. > i think after 20 mins que time ! we dont have too lose in 10 mins .. look simple > 20 mins que = Games is lost on 10 mins because adc is trolling support is feeding theyr flameing jjungle > jungle is farming AS none farm champ like lee > ekko and THen guess what ! ur wasteing ur time .. > > lets see a example of the game now : > > 1- hit the play button > 2- choose roles > 3- 20-25 mins wait too go in > 4-fight the enemys early > 5- game lost on 10 mins > > in the other way ur lucky and u win the game After 40 min fucking urself too focus on farms and kills Trying too dodge 3 ult's if ur lucky u win and then next game Again u lost in 10 mins > > btw i played ranked game today with a guy who dont even have 1 rune and playing sup masterying as adc ! we r lost ! because he said " i didnt even seen this champ befor" AND HE MEANS {{champion:238}} I don't believe you that there jungler was 21/0 in 10 or 20 minutes. You overhyped the scores most definitely. However I still agree with you. I also have only suicidal people in my team, like almost in every game, that feed. And I'm tired of people saying "you gotta improve yourself", because if I won my lane, if I won the other lanes by ganking for my team, if I got turrets and drakes, if I do good in teamfights etc. and my team is just suicidal and messes up every minute, "then I'm the one who needs to improve?" Its a joke really, because nobody plays perfectly. I've already done my hardest and my hardest was legitimately very good. If they keep on 1 vs 5 and ending up 0/5 or worse and then people claim you lost 'cause you need improve yourself. Its so stupid. Don't get me wrong I know, that I still can improve and that I even need to improve, but if I do well in a game with everything I could, then just for this one game nobody should tell me, you lose and need to improve. I also agree with the fact that it takes to long. Last time 7 people left in champselect, then I had to wait wait, it took me like 40-60 minutes to get into a game. When you have a dc its not your fault, but if you intentionally leave, because your champ got banned or for whatever reason it sucks.
Alex3995 (EUW)
: i think the real problom is that he does all kinds of damage and that equaly split its like 33% magic 33% ohysical and 33% true damage. i think just replacing the true damage with magic damage would solve the problomm since you would be able to build against him a litle better. btw did you know that his attack speed cant be slowed either. maybe remove that so his attack speed can be lowed but not his movement speed? would open alot more option to build against him.
Yeah if you have 2 tanks in your team with CC + Randuins/Thornmail and cover your teammates, yi won't be a threat. Just stay close to your adc if he tries to flash to your adc. Most of the times people get caught and then blame the champ.
: yi deserves a nerf
> [{quoted}](name=ThunderBlitzz,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fzAhXb8L,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-28T14:12:25.297+0000) > > He just does...... In my opinion he doesn't. His early is not that good compared to a Lee Sin for example. He also needs much money to buy his core items, that means that he needs good farm or some good ganks, otherwise he won't be that much of a threat in mid game. He gets also countered pretty heavily by CC. If you have good positioning and good communication, then he's not a threat honestly, unless the whole enemy team is fed, but that has nothing to do with yi personally, its just the feed. People who are afraid of him, just complain because he was fed and immediately blame the champ itself. Yi is not overpowered when he is not fed and even when he's fed he can get countered.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shiro Kurimu,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6AbPirXk,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-27T12:52:39.259+0000) > > When did I say, there's something wrong "being unskilled?" Why are people writing this all the time, when I clearly said in my thread, that I have nothing against being unskilled? And like I said there's a difference between "being unskilled", and "obvious feeding avoiding.", but you talk only about the unskilled part, like you've completely ignored my content... Sorry my bad but my point was that everyone can choose how they want to approach the game. It's a different thing if they just don't realize that they are bad and blame others , these players are really stubborn , it takes some time to make them realize.
So I can go in and approach I'm continue gonna walk 1 vs 5 because it has some kind of sense in my opinion and ruin other people games? lol
: >And finally: >I'm unskilled. I end up with terrible scores most of the time. > >Yeah. Shoot me. Where does that come from? NO ONE here blamed, talked down or flamed people based on their skill. All we want, is a better matchmaking system! **Shiwah, how well you play, has no standing on how I perceive you as a person** and member of this community, same as how much you agree or disagree with me in our (very enjoyable) discussions doesn't. You are a cool person, an intelligent person, who puts a lot of work into this community by your contributions here.
Its no use to explain them, they are just typical people, that will ignore all of your argues and still trashtalk just like we have 90% of this kind on our planet(at least I feel like this). That's why they get upvotes. I'm not saying they are stupid, just that they can't throw away their pride and defend senseless points, that they can't argue against.
: Riot wont do anything to address this because they're a bunch of social justice warrior cuckolds. Their primary concern is to make League of Legends into a "safe space" where no one feels "threatened" or "hated". Expect to see "micro-aggression" and "transphobia" as updates to the support system soon! :^) Compromising someone's gaming experience by hurting their feelings is not acceptable, but compromising gaming experience by being a turbo-shitter and refusing to learn basic game mechanics after hundreds of games, is strongly encouraged.
Sometimes I only write "please play more careful", after they suicide 2 times in a row and they feel already very harassed and call it flame. If everything you write is flame, why do we have a chat then, if even normal things are flame?
: The problem with your argument is that there is nothing that can be done about unskilled play. With the amount of players in this game the chance of playing with the same random players multiple times is so low that it should be none of your concern how others play. It is possible to be unlucky and meet multiple players playing poorly but each one is not related to another and like you have stated this is not a reason to flame. To summarise, or clarify, you appear to have a good point in that the blame is always placed on the abusive player and the cause of their toxicity is often overlooked but in this case i believe there is nothing that can be done.
I don't think, that the unskilled players are unskilled, when it comes to mechanics. I think, they can actually play decent/good, if they want to, but apparently they don't want it or they would listen to the easiest tips like not running 1 vs 5 all the time. They are to stubborn.
: If you are too busy looking at the next person instead of watching your own you will NEVER be skilled
Yeah when I'm top with TP or play jungle I am busy and unskilled if I watch my team? Even when I'm mid I still watch sometimes to gank and help them, what has this to do with skill? Its more positive than negative, I've never said I do it constantly, of course I farm too lol
: >Finally someone, who got the message of my thread :) It doesn't matter how many good arguments you bring up on that topic, prepare for the whiteknights to downvote and "counter" you with statements based purely on their emotions. Because, many players on the boards seem to see it as everyones right to play as bad as you want, not try and have "fun" (because you know: Losing is bigtime fun) at the expense of others...as long as you, technically, don't break any rules. And the fun part is: Based just on how these whiteknights put their statements here, I bet they are among the first who would call for reports if they get an uncaring player in their own teams. Because its bad when others do it, but when Sir Forumhero Whiteknight III. does it, its perfectly okay, reasonable and in good taste. Hypocrisy ftw. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
I thought this community got better over time(had a 2 years break) and while I was leveling to 30 with a new acc, I got nice teams until level 20, at level 20 the hardcore flamers started and when I reached 30 its more horrible than ever. I wish sometimes we could have season 1/2 back, the old good time :/
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Because they keep on suicide. I watch the other lanes, to see if they need help and while I watch them, I clearly see the reason why they are losing and that reason is not because of their skill. I had this one Ashe in my game, that from the second minute of the game kept on running into all the enemy minions + the enemy laners, while having 100 HP. And she repeated that 5 times directly after she went back to lane. So I just told her "Ashe pls stop running into the enemy minions and your opponents, when you are 1 vs 2 and on very low HP", and funny reply I got "don't tell me what to do, muted and reported", so giving constructive tips in a kind language leads them to mute you and report you, which 1. is refusing to accept a simple tip, that can be easily done and avoided, but keeps ruin your game and 2. refusing to listen, feeling harassed for no reason, when you tell them something in a very kind way, that has nothing to do with blame and they report you. And at the end of the game screen their excuse "I'm just unskilled", and you are the bad guy, while you didn't use offensive language. I don't put every player in one pot, but most of them are like this. And I was never talking about KDA by the way. You are the one, that repeats my things and claim them to not be there(at least, that what it looks like). And I never meant to offend you by the way.
: Really? Getting more than 50 CS by the 20 minute mark is "close to impossible" and takes "years to master"? My cat can do that. But for some reason, I am still forced to play with such people, from gold up to platinum. You even get such guys in Diamond. Explain that.
Finally someone, who got the message of my thread :) Even, when you're up against an opponent, that doesn't let you farm you still can manage 50 cs at 20 minutes, by farming under your turret :) However sometimes you get very hardcore harassed with dives, so that could lead you to having less than 50 cs in 20 minutes, but its rarely I think.
: There's nothing wrong with being "unskilled" , every player can choose between competitive play or just play for fun. However I don't think there are many skilled players , so the majority of us don't have that much of skill in terms of mechanics and game knowledge. The percentage of "skilled players" is really small if we are talking about High Elo , anyone below high elo can't be considered "skilled" , including myself.
When did I say, there's something wrong "being unskilled?" Why are people writing this all the time, when I clearly said in my thread, that I have nothing against being unskilled? And like I said there's a difference between "being unskilled", and "obvious feeding avoiding.", but you talk only about the unskilled part, like you've completely ignored my content...
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
And again its not true. If they were "falling down", why do I have them 10 games in a row? I skipped some leagues instantly when I ranked up, so my mmr can't be bad. I also do good teamplay and don't feed. I also don't flame, but they still keep coming? And I'm not saying, that I am very good at this game, I am saying, that I get matched with people, that are far worse and the enemies have always a very skilled and good teamplay and me as a decent player try my hardest, while the others only feed and surrender vote all the time. They refuse to def etc. There was one guy's answer in this thread about this, look it up it will explain you this system and "intentionally feeding", indeed is against the rules. You are obviously not getting the point and ignoring my answers content. or otherwise you wouldn't repeat the "it's not against the rules", thing.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Nah you are wrong. You still can't get the point. Frustration is ok as an excuse if you for example mess up in a teamfight or you don't want to group anymore etc. I can understand all of those things, but keep on running very obvious 1 vs 5 all the time over and over again is for 100% not an excuse for frustration, because when you are frustrated I can understand if you mess up a skill shot or like I've said you don't want to group with the flamers, but no matter what argue you trying to give me(and you can't give an valid argue for that), its not an excuse for clear intentional things like running 1 vs 5 all the time and being 0/11, because that was definitely obviously avoidable, even when you are frustrated. So running in 1 vs 5, 11 times in a row is getting out of an impasse? That's just straight refusing to listen and has nothing to do with being unskilled. And these unskilled players always blame the flamers for messing up and I agree, that the flamers are a reason, they've messed up in laning phase, but then later in the game suicide all over again has nothing to do with these flamers anymore, but they still blaming the flamers, instead of accepting there own mistakes and improve on little obvious things. And even after they've heard this "tip of stop to suicide", a 1000 times, they still keep doing it, which means they keep on ruining games over and over again, which leads to more flamers. Only the "flamer side", gets always blamed, while there is a twist on the other side. And like I've said there's a mute button, so if you instantly mute the guy who flamed you, then you can't tell me it was all his mistakes for saying one word. That means that you maybe didn't mute him, which is your fault.
: You can't blame someone for being unskilled wtf is wrong with you people This game has a lot of mechanics which takes years to master, to be skilled in LOL is almost close to impossible
Man, who was blaming someone for being unskilled? Did you even read the thread? I was saying, that the unskilled players run all the time into 1 vs 5, or engage the enemies when they have like 100 HP, and you tell them 1000 times pls don't do that, but they keep doing it. And that's refusing to listen to constructive tips to things that are intentionally ruin your game. I never said, that I blame an unskilled for a mistake, that could happen, but for the same mistakes 1000 times over and over again, which can be easily avoided, they keep on running in 1 vs 5, which is intentionally feeding and has nothing to do with unskilled. That's just straight refusing on a thing, that they could change from one moment to another, it has nothing to do with deep skill. So why are you coming in here now and saying "wtf is wrong", having already such an aggressive language, completely missed the thread and claiming, that I said, what you just stated?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Being unskilled is indeed every players right, but players who run 11 times in a row 1 vs 5, feed hard and then claim "I'm just unskilled", is bad behavior as well. If you are unskilled I don't expect you to beat your lane opponent or to make a good gank etc. but there are things in the game you can easily learn to avoid a lots of things. For example warding, so you don't get ganked. Don't play aggressive, when you have 100HP and your lane opponents have full HP etc. but they still keep on doing it after 1000 games and that has nothing to do with unskilled anymore, that's just refusing to listen to the tips. I bet you how many times they've already heard the sentence "pls don't run in 1 vs 5 all the time", in like "every of that 1000 games", but they still keep doing it? And then they blame the toxic players, while 1. there's a mute button, and 2. being a bit unfocused has nothing to do with having such a play style to stay 24/7 at the front of the enemies, while on Low HP etc.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
I think you don't got my thread. I wasn't saying that unskilled is against the rules. I was saying, that the unskilled players don't do anything to improve and suicide still after 1000 games. Of course some might be not that good even after 1000 games, but the point is, that there's a difference, between being "bad", and "running 11 times in a row 1 vs 5", and claiming to be unskilled. That's intentional feeding, but they claim that they played bad, because of being flamed. There 1. a mute button, 2. getting flamed is not an excuse for intentional feeding as same as other people feeding intentionally is not an excuse for flaming. However the "unskilled players", putting it all one sided, like they are the holy angels and did nothing wrong. And the toxic guys get all the hate for just being very frustrated after those people ruin almost every single game for them.
Rioter Comments
: No man, that is a healty mind on how to approch online PvP games, where lots of people are to sensitive, to whatever you say to them. Expecially if you point out something that they have done wrong, they just go upset, starts arguing instead of focusing on game and team objectives, wich leads you to chaotic typing, raging, and ... guess what - MAKING MORE MISTAKES. I won tons of close games, where enemy team lost bcs of raging one on another, tons of them....even after , in lobby chat, they addmited that they lost bcs of full negative additude and more typing than playing -METHOD.. We are all getting some BAD players sometimes, and if you ask me, I dont want that BAD player plays even worse bcs 4 dudes talked sht about everything he did wrong, Im not into listening that kind of chatting while our turrets are falling down, so I use my method and its working for me pritty much fine, I still have 60 % win rate in gold 2, with playing only support, so I cant aply your glorious sentence - "Either i carry the game hard or its lost. ".
Nah setho was right with his thread. Of course you can motivate some players in close games and I don't disagree with yu, both of you are right.
Rismosch (EUW)
: Dear toxic Players. Here's why you always get Feeders in your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WAAQtgfP,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-26T18:05:22.067+0000) > > I know these Feeders are annoying and I know there is not that much to do anything against that, but did you ever considered that YOU are the reason they feed? Let me explain: > > Players play bad when they are on tilt. I think everybody can agree on that. Tilt can be achieved in many different ways, one of them is by beeing insulted by a teammate. When your teammate feeds First Blood, and/or happens to go 0/3/0 in the first 10 minutes, then saying that he is bad is not the right thing to do. When a player feeds a little bit in the early game, than he is a little bit upset. Maybe because his opponent plays an annoying champion to deal with, or he is just simply not satisfied with his own skill and performance. Either way, a player who feeds is not happy. When now someone like you goes up to them and trashtalks them, you are not helping. You are putting salt into the wound and you will mentally hurt that player. He was already on tilt, but because of you he tilts harder and harder. So the early 0/3/0 will increase to 0/11/0 at the 15 minute mark. You still don't realize what you've done and you are not stopping acting toxic towards that player. > I know you are going to argue with me, saying things like "well, that fkin feeder could just fkin mute me! whats the problem?!" > Just because they can mute you does not allow you to be toxic. And even though they eventually will mute you, the first insults you've already thrown at him caused enaugh damage to tilt him. Yes, he fed, but YOU are the reason for that. Not because the Feeder is bad, nor the opponent is better. No. Just YOU and YOUR toxicity is the reason why your teammates feed. > > I hope you will realize the mistakes that you've done. I hope you will be less toxic and get less feeders this way. > > Have a nice day <3 I agree with the part, that you shouldn't flame anyways, but from the other side you have to understand these toxic players. They are not all the time toxic and they aren't bad people, who are intentionally toxic. Imagine they weren't toxic for 5 games in a row and they lost every of these 5 games, because the team fed very hard early and then everyone came to your lane and dived you, while the others didn't even push or did anything, but they just kept on feeding in mid game. And then this player starts a sixth game and again such a team. Sometimes you can't hold your frustration back anymore. Furthermore its not fair to get such a team all the time, if you are a good teamplayer, who has nothing bad in common. They will still keep on feeding even if you don't flame them, but however I still agree at one part of your thread, that you shouldn't flame in general, but you gotta understand the other side and not only blame them. The feeders have to stop feed that hard as well, especially when its most likely intentionally, like running 1 vs 5 all the time. This is definitely not having a bad game. I only see threads about the flamers, but what about the hardcore unskilled, is there any thread to give them some tipps to stop feeding? No there isn't...
Stell (EUNE)
: Well we only have your "i only said this" but don't know the full log. You know, there's the nice way and the dick way to tell tips. People don't ilke to get criticized for their bad plays, and most of the time they are already fully aware what caused their mistakes. if people don't want to listen to your advice if you give advice in a nice manner, and start flaming you, just mute and don't even try to.
Well, but it can get annoying, when they suicide 24/7 and you just tell them "pls play careful."
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Stop ruining our games by giving up just after a few deaths
Same feel here. The enemy team gets first blood and someone directly writes gg ff20. And the funny thing is most times they write it after their own mistakes, but blame the team. They keep on getting caught and intentionally feeding.
Savage Devi (EUNE)
: So you just want people to believe in claims with no evidence. That's as irrational as you can be.
Did I ever say that? Did I say "you have to believe me with no proof?" No, all I said was that you can't know if its true or not. You can assume it is wrong, but you can't "know", 'cause you are not this person and you don't know his doings etc. People always give such senseless argues and yet they think, that they are so right about it.
Irrsinn (EUW)
: We have dozens of threads a week that claimed they were banned unjustly or for minor things. The times that really happens are beyond small. If you now claim that exactly that happend then yes, you do have to come up with some kind of proof. Otherwise you will just be another guy who makes stuff up, harsh as it sounds. That has nothing to do with politics. You claim something that goes against established parameters -> you prove it.
I know your point, but I was just saying that you can't know it either. And it was season 4 and it happened believe it or not. I don't know why people get so upset about this.
: > I hate the logic of guys, that automatically assume this Literally everyone on these board who claims to be banned innocently turned out to be not innocent. So when you say "I have this friend who was banned for being positive but I can't prove it"....we should just believe you? Although we know that this board is full of lies and these claims of innocence are wrong every time (for the completionists: except for those guys in August last year)? Would that be logical?
That's just not a legit argue. You are just skipping the point. The thing is you can't know if its true or not. Finito and there's nothing to argue about it. I'm not gonna discuss this 'cause there is no way of arguing people of your kind. Sorry to say that if its sounds rude, but don't know how else to express it. And the argue "no one has ever yet proved it", doesn't go for all people. How many views gets a thread like this 1000 at max? And how many players have lol? SO cause some people of the forum posted a thread like this without proof its automatically that everyone is wrong like you can mind read. You have no proof either.
D1nzu (EUW)
: You cant carry those kinds of teams. YOU. JUST. CANT.
If I can't carry them, can you maybe tell me why I'm getting them like 7 times in a row? Is this system random? It can't be my mmr, because skipped divisions when I rank up. Or maybe its random and only the loses count idk.
Irrsinn (EUW)
: Chatlogs or didn't happen.
"Chatlogs or didn't happen", 'cause I don't have the chatlogs anymore it doesn't mean that it never happened. I hate the logic of guys, that automatically assume this. You can neither proof that it didn't happen. You have the same logic as our politicians.
Silisa (EUNE)
: How dare you ask for proof?! We must agree with the OP like mindless sheep or risk being labeled as Riot's bots!
That's not completely true. For this season maybe not, but I have a friend who really only said ggwp and got a punishment for nothing, but that was in season 4 though.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: usually enemys dont have that much tanks , talon can insta burst adcs (as fast as rengar) and can force zonyas
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: talon is pretty bad early ^^ he lives on enemys mistakes but his mid game is god like and his late game is stable
Is his late game really that stable? My friend told me that Talon is useless late when the enemy have 3-4 tanks. Is it ture? I mean you have much armor penetration and when I play Talon and the enemy team is very tanky, I may not burst them in one combo, but I still do a lots of damage with my observation. I would agree with you and say he is stable late game.
Silisa (EUNE)
: > Tryndamere Split pusher. The issue with that is - your team needs to be able to go 4v5 if needed, or at least keep 3-4 of the enemies busy while you split push and fight the remaining 1-2 opponents. In cases where the enemy team has good team fights and your team lacks CC and wave clear, leaving them 4v5 will either result in all of them dying and the enemy team pushing into your base, or, the whole enemy team turning on you, since your team can't stop them. > Talon Has strong early and mid game. You need to roam and help your team if you are winning your lane. > Xin Zhao Other than ganking, try getting some objectives. Got a kill on bot - get Dragon. Got 2 kills on bot - get the turret. Got a kill on mid/top - help your laner push down the turret. You are AD and have a lot easier time pushing turrets than a mage or a tank. > Amumu Don't know how you do it, but I've had a share of Amumus who built off tank and play at being assassins by chasing the enemy carry instead of being the frontline for our team. Anyway, if you find yourself often alone after you engage a team fight (your allies didn't follow you in) you might want to ping before engaging and keep an eye on your allies' behavior - if you don't see them preparing to fight, if you aren't grouped as 5 and instead you adc is bot farming, you might want to avoid waiting a bit for a better moment. > Leblanc Kill the fed enemy carry. That's literally your only job. > Wukong If you are fed and have built damage - flank the enemy back line and kill the carry. If you are tanking, initiate team fights and create disruption with your CC.
> [{quoted}](name=Silisa,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tr8RbkQH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-22T14:36:27.393+0000) > > Split pusher. The issue with that is - your team needs to be able to go 4v5 if needed, or at least keep 3-4 of the enemies busy while you split push and fight the remaining 1-2 opponents. In cases where the enemy team has good team fights and your team lacks CC and wave clear, leaving them 4v5 will either result in all of them dying and the enemy team pushing into your base, or, the whole enemy team turning on you, since your team can't stop them. > > Has strong early and mid game. You need to roam and help your team if you are winning your lane. > > Other than ganking, try getting some objectives. Got a kill on bot - get Dragon. Got 2 kills on bot - get the turret. Got a kill on mid/top - help your laner push down the turret. You are AD and have a lot easier time pushing turrets than a mage or a tank. > > Don't know how you do it, but I've had a share of Amumus who built off tank and play at being assassins by chasing the enemy carry instead of being the frontline for our team. > > Anyway, if you find yourself often alone after you engage a team fight (your allies didn't follow you in) you might want to ping before engaging and keep an eye on your allies' behavior - if you don't see them preparing to fight, if you aren't grouped as 5 and instead you adc is bot farming, you might want to avoid waiting a bit for a better moment. > > Kill the fed enemy carry. That's literally your only job. > > If you are fed and have built damage - flank the enemy back line and kill the carry. If you are tanking, initiate team fights and create disruption with your CC. Thanks for the tips, but I already told in my post that I help my team all the time :) Also when I play Trynda, I always get a tower, sometimes even 2 or 3 + inhib, when my team is in a fight. If I see my team needs help I come, but they engage without me and can't wait 5 seconds until I was there(its not the enemy team that engages them).
Rioter Comments
Froskjee (EUW)
: Add me, i was gold 1 before but never really tried to push for plat.. Froskjee
accepted you, I hope you'll be there sometimes. Just lost another one. Started 3/0, won mid and bot lane for my team. We had an early snowball team, but they didn't group and suicidet all the time. Guess without duo partner its hard, if you only get flamers.
Rioter Comments
Ζachary (EUW)
: Standing up to bullies.
Its his decision what to build and there's no need to ask him. So he didn't bully you back, when you started.
: 25 years old is the average age when a human brain is fully grown. Now Wisdom(That little voice in your head saying "relax dude, dont flame him, its just a game") doesnt come with growth, wisdom comes with experience. And unfortunately age is not the only thing that makes you realise you should stop flaming. This guy needs a life lesson.
There is no special age, it depends on your character. If you are 40 you can still rage if your character is like that. I always hate these comparisons of age. I'm 22, I'm not 25 and my brain is surely 100% fullyfilled. I know what I wanna do in my life, I know what is bad what is good, I can calm myself.
Rioter Comments
: I cannot give you ever enough upvotes, people believe that {{champion:11}} can gank as much as {{champion:64}} which is totally not true and keep forgetting that apart from their lanes that I also need farm and kills. It also annoys me when laners take camps without at least asking when I need the stacks desperately to get sated -_-
Riot should remove the view for your teammates, this means don't let them see the stacks or another icon.
: I love it how the team expects the jungler to magically secure objectives but also gank their lanes and not take the kills and when you're behind they insist on you ganking even more, fuck the farming, you don't need exp and items, hell they'll even take your camps, but you can't take their lane cs. You're a jungler you magically lvl up, get gold, items and have to gank every lane and get every drake.
One funny thing is, that some laners die 'cause of their own mistakes. For example they're low HP, but they're aggro farming into a full HP enemy Vayne, who has still both summoners and is one level higher, instead of farming save under the turret. Sometimes they even engage with 100 HP into two enemies and then they die and say "jungle report no ganks", when you just was about to gank.
Smerk (EUW)
: As pure jungler he's one of the best, he can stay in jungle for as long as he wants without ever backing, but his ganks are terrible pre-6 and after that isn't that good either as any CC counters him
It depends on you and your team. If you gank from behind with red and you get your e movement speed your ganks can be useful, of course not as useful as a lee sin or a yi for example, but its not totally useless, like the guy above me tried to say. Furthermore "cc counters him", is not an argue, 'cause cc counters any champ in the game, not just WW. If Lee Sin gets cc'ed he is most likely also dead, when it comes to early game. Yeah Lee Sin has some escape potential, but if he is 1 vs 3 andgets cc'ed there's still a low chance of him surviving(speaking for early). Every champ has his pro and its contra's, but I wouldn't call a champ immediately useless, because he has not many squishy abilities. And for the CC part, if he has like I said a good early, it won't matter that much 'cause you can stomp your enemies in teamfights, but you need a team who backs you up. If your team doesn't follow of course they will put just all cc on you and you'll die. But this goes for general its not because of the champ.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shiro Kurimu,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EWlXV7KA,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-02-18T13:59:00.875+0000) > > That's not true, Warwick has a lots of damage with Level 6 when his ult is up. I win almost every game with him. And if you have a good early you'll also be pretty tanky and make much damage with autoattacks at the same time. And even if you get behind your ult can help to make plays. When my ult is on level 2 I can one shot the enemy adc and I buy mostly tank items. > > The only contra is, that his ganks are more useful when he is 6. 1. you cant 1shot enemy adc with just ur ult lv11 or 18 doesnt matter. 2. once you use ur ult you are useless coz you get kited all day 3. the most important time for jungler is lv1-11, especially lv1-9. If enemy jungler gets his team ahead while u are farming, your chance of winning will be very low. 4. when hes ult is on cooldown hes useless. and what do u consider being good early? You mean when your team win the lanes on your own, so by outleveling them you can wreck them? I can do that with every jungler, while not being completely useless during the important part of the game.
1. Yes I can, because I did it already like 10 times if not more. 2. Once I used my ult we pretty much already killed someone so we can continue a 5 vs 4 and I can still tank and do autos 2-2. I can also cover my adc when I ult their fed one and kill their fed one, if my team follows 3. If your team just plays save or wards it will be no problem, because it doesn't take that much time to reach 6. 3-3. You have also your e, which gives you movement speed and combined with red buff, you still can gank, if you really need to. Also got some kills from it already. 4. No he's not, because he is very tanky and tanks are never useless, he also makes a quite a bit of damage supporting fights. One more thing I forgot, he has a very quick wave clear he will reach 6 faster through that and you can also go to the enemy jungle if your team does fine. Also got first blood out of that a couple of times and quick level 6. I never said being good early I said having a good early, that means if you don't die, you'll be 6 quickly and have your item. Don't mean to offend you, but your argues are totally not true. If WW is so bad how does it come I win so many games with him and even when we are strongly behind I sometimes still win that game. And don't tell me I get 10 lucky teams in a row.
Mayush (EUW)
: You know what imo is a problem? I'v had a several times a jungle that was stacking all the time, 0 ganks, totally 0 help and it still was taking him 30minutes to get sated. he still 5on1'd the whole enemy team in (kinda) highelo. U can say whatever u want this item is retarded. PPL who rly play like this should play against bots cause its a free win anyway.
and that's my point I helped my team a lot. They won every lane because of me, I ganked very often and instead of being thankful they complain about my devourer stacks
: > [{quoted}](name=NorthernRedStar,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EWlXV7KA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-18T11:57:57.623+0000) > > .... literally the worst jungle in the entire game. Because your team is essentially 4v5 til 6, and after 6, you don't have enough damage or cc or mobility to do great ganks. 1.75sec stun doesn't count as amazing cc. My morgana jungle does better ganks. And by the way, devourer is by default the worst jungling item, because instead of doing ganks and GETTING YOUR TEAM AHEAD, you farm and then you're squishy like an adc with melee range. but then again, if people have ww on the team, they SHOULD expect to be 4v5 and get no ganks or counterganks or anything.
That's not true, Warwick has a lots of damage with Level 6 when his ult is up. I win almost every game with him. And if you have a good early you'll also be pretty tanky and make much damage with autoattacks at the same time. And even if you get behind your ult can help to make plays. When my ult is on level 2 I can one shot the enemy adc and I buy mostly tank items. The only contra is, that his ganks are more useful when he is 6.
Rioter Comments
: It's a bug. Sometimes Darius' ult won't deal any damage whatsoever. Happened 1-3 times to me too. Though steraks gage or something like that is also a possibility if he DID take damage (but very little of it). Did you by any chance hear a strange sound outside of your ult sound when it hit Heca?
I can't remember, but our Shaco said that this Heca was scripting or something idk. If remember everything correctly he just had steraks. No exhaust, no E or whats so ever :)
Korkalek (EUW)
: How many real players are there ? How good are they ? I'd like some stats ...
I give you my feelings about this from my playing experience from Bronze to Plat. In Bronze I can tell you there are more flamer and unskilled players than you'd get for example in silver/gold/plat. And there are many trollpicks, many suicides etc. In silver, the skill is a bit better, but they still flame a lot. Not as much as in bronze, but still A LOT and the suicides are still of a high number. In Gold I would say are average players, which are capable of some good plays/mechanics, but they still lack a bit of teamplay and many still flame, but in Gold you get at least sometimes a non flamer team, so you won't have flamers 24/7, even if you still get a lots of them. And in Platin to be honest I didn't feel any difference than in Gold, its even worse. The skill level is similar, depends on your team, because the people, who are Platin are so proud and selfish, but what I did realize, if you get actually a good team in Platin, that does good teamplay like grouping for Baron, getting inhibs etc. it feels like a high skilled game and the combats are always very close and it really pushes you and it makes fun :) Well this is my experience. I was plat 4 on my main, I can't tell you about Diamond, because I stopped playing for 2 years, but I feel like Plat is a mix between "high skilled players, that don't flame" and "average/high skilled players, who consider themselves god's, but are arrogant and do nothing for the team, but flame." Let's say its a little improvement from league to the next higher league, when it comes to skill, but the flamers are everywhere. I wouldn't say that Golds and Plats are only average skilled, because they put in a lots of good plays and effort to carry themselves, from a lots of flamer teams. I would say about 50% are pretty good of them, when it comes to mechanics. If I would make a 1-20 in Skill, it would go like this: Bronze: 1-4 Low Skilled Silver: 4-7 Low/Mid Skilled Gold: 7-11 Mid/High Skilled Platin: 11-14 Mid/High Skilled Diamond: 14-16 High Skilled/Very High Skilled Master: 16-18 Very High Skilled Challenger: 18-20 Very High Skilled But keep in mind this list goes only to the serious players :) And also keep in mind, that it doesn't go for every player. There are players, who are in a lower league, but they are still very skilled :) And also skill is not just score, its based on "teamplay, mechanics, good calls, map awareness and more :) Hope I could help you :)
: Well, the only logical explanation that comes into mind is "is Quicksilver sash able to cleanse your bleed stacks?" If the answer is yes and Hecarim just did that, with a helping hand of a heal/barrier, you would do no damage at all. If the answer is no, it was most probably a bug (or some serious eye illness preventing you from seeing the Karma/Janna/Lulu frantically shielding Heca)
Possible, I didn't even knew this item can remove the stacks, but unfortunately I can't remember his items all I know was some "stake" item, which one guy in the comment told gives a shield or something
: > [{quoted}](name=Shiro Kurimu,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=BAT73mOM,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-15T11:59:17.973+0000) > > I fought a Hecarim and this Hecarim had 4K HP, but he was at 5% Health only, he had 200 HP left. My ult should have done more than 1000 true damage at 5 stacks, when I read the spell and I had 5 stacks, but it did only 180 damage. Is this a bug or was the true damage removed? Or does armor def you against true damage, but that wouldn't make sense, because its true damage. Its impossible. To be able to deal 1000+ at max stacks, you have been at least 11 lvl with 400+ ad. Or 16lvl with ~270 ad. No matter what, your ult would deal much more than 180 even without stacks. My best guess is last second heal or shield of some sort, but still what can heal or shield for 800 TRUE damage?!?!?
It was a late game fight I think I was Level 17 and I was building ad :)
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