: Yes as a top lane champion, Gnar would be able to jump double the range of jax's ward hop, so as long as he doesn't use his jump he gets to escape almost any gank.
Like I said, just lower the legth of his bounce in that case, or completely remove ward hops from the game. Give lee an alternative if he really needs this mechanic so badly.
: > I know what you mean, but if the ability description is talking about enemy units, bot just enemy champions, why can‘t even be enemy wards be targeted? Rengar for example is able to use his passive on wards, why can‘t all champions with abilities that target enemy units do that? Don’t forget rengar’s passive is an auto attack not a spell, wards can’t usualky be targeted by enemy spells but they can by auto attacks hence why rengar can use enemy wards. So not an inconsistency at all, as the abilities themselves aren’t the same. > Saying it is able to make Braum more aggressive really sounds hypocritical to me... since the main use would be to make it easier for Braum to land his skillshot Q, which also basically is the same ability as Lee Sins Q, maybe it would even make Braum viable. Actually the main use would be to guarentee his ult. And remember Braum is a defencive champion, designed to hold back and protect his carries... an ability to get into someone’s face doesn’t fit him. > Gnar would be way to mobile with it... but Lee Sin or Jax are not? Heck, you could even lower the distance he bounced on a ward if that was needed. Gnar can already travel as far as jax or lee’s ward hop without a target to bounce off of... so yes it would be too strong. > The stuff you are talking about in the next part is the exact thing I am questioning. In the assassin update it was decreed that only Lee Sin can ward jump, not even Kata with basically the same spell in her kit. Why is Lee sin favored like this? What makes him special to be allowed even more mobility to land his only skillshot? Its way to easy to create combos for him, which enemys basically can do nothing about. Kat and jax use their ward hop as a get out of jail free card... there’s no combos and no strategy behind it, as they don’t need to use ward hops aggressively due to it being better to targetvtge enemy champion directly... so their ward hops are not valuable or worth keeping Lee incorporated his ward hop into his combos, with things like insecs... and as insec plays are wha5 popularised lee in the first place loosing that would hit him really hard... hence why it’s being kept on him. > To be honest, I really don‘t think Jax will be getting a VGU in the next years... people would be way too mad if his kit changed and Riot most likely thinks he still fits into the current game. Riot have said they want to give him a VGU soon and that he doesn’t fit into the current game, and he’s one of the most requested reworks currently... so yes he will be receiving one in the near future
> Don’t forget rengar’s passive is an auto attack not a spell, wards can’t usualky be targeted by enemy spells but they can by auto attacks hence why rengar can use enemy wards. > So not an inconsistency at all, as the abilities themselves aren’t the same. I know, this is why I did not list it in my original post, I just used it there to say that Rengars Ability description does not point out wards specifically, like Jax's or Lee Sin's. > And remember Braum is a defencive champion, designed to hold back and protect his carries... an ability to get into someone’s face doesn’t fit him. Who wouldn't it fit for Braum to jump into someone? It would give him a possiblity to engage a fight, get some stacks of his passive on the enemy and then back off with his e to protect his partner. I think this would be a great oppinion to reward more agrassive play at the risk of leaving your parter open for danger. > Gnar can already travel as far as jax or lee’s ward hop without a target to bounce off of... so yes it would be too strong. The thing about gnar is just not true. His hop range is 475 while Lee's W and Jax's Q both have a range of 700. Also remember this ability is not just a point and click but a "skillshot". >Kat and jax use their ward hop as a get out of jail free card... there’s no combos and no strategy behind it, as they don’t need to use ward hops aggressively due to it being better to targetvtge enemy champion directly... so their ward hops are not valuable or worth keeping Lee incorporated his ward hop into his combos, with things like insecs... and as insec plays are wha5 popularised lee in the first place loosing that would hit him really hard... hence why it’s being kept on him. Exactly, this inconsistency is what I am talking about. I personally think such plays could still be possible with Lee, they would just require more skill. Lee also still takes flash, which works even better than his Ward Jump, he couls still use that for Insec plays, although addmitetly in fewer numbers. I of course am not the person that is able to judge how good this would work, but I already even would be fine with changing his ability to not use wards, because the fact it is wards just creates so much inconsitency. Maybe they could change it to Lee even be able to jump to enemy minions with this ability, or maybe he could drop a little target or something with another ability he could jump to. > Riot have said they want to give him a VGU soon and that he doesn’t fit into the current game, and he’s one of the most requested reworks currently... so yes he will be receiving one in the near future I would really love to see the source for this. Since I really never heard that. I just know that after Volibear and Fiddlesticks, Nocturne, Shyvana and Dr. Mundo are next down the line.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnoringSnorr,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FiaakUEw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-05T08:38:23.092+0000) > > I know what you mean, but if the ability description is talking about enemy units, bot just enemy champions, why can‘t even be enemy wards be targeted? Rengar for example is able to use his passive on wards, why can‘t all champions with abilities that target enemy units do that? > > Saying it is able to make Braum more aggressive really sounds hypocritical to me... since the main use would be to make it easier for Braum to land his skillshot Q, which also basically is the same ability as Lee Sins Q, maybe it would even make Braum viable. > > Gnar would be way to mobile with it... but Lee Sin or Jax are not? Heck, you could even lower the distance he bounced on a ward if that was needed. > > The stuff you are talking about in the next part is the exact thing I am questioning. In the assassin update it was decreed that only Lee Sin can ward jump, not even Kata with basically the same spell in her kit. Why is Lee sin favored like this? What makes him special to be allowed even more mobility to land his only skillshot? Its way to easy to create combos for him, which enemys basically can do nothing about. > > To be honest, I really don‘t think Jax will be getting a VGU in the next years... people would be way too mad if his kit changed and Riot most likely thinks he still fits into the current game. If Lee's ward jumps will be disabled, whole this champ gameplay will be nullified to be completely useless champ, that will require to buff him just to make him assassin, you would like that? Ofc not. Lee Sin's dashes can be negotiated, canceled, denied. Period.
I don't think so, it would just make him harder to play in my oppinion. People would then actually need to aim the Q more often, rather than having a free dash to set a guaranteed hit up.
: They recently update Jax's abilities (in the way they look) which I assume is a VGU? Gnar would be too op with ward jump, but now that I think about it, there are champions with a literal flash in their kit, and shaco who has stealth on top of flash with longer range. Also riot would not change their "signature" champion lee sin from his "iconic" kit.
No a VGU is a Visual and Gameplay Update, basically a rework. Jax just got a VU, a visual update. I agree on the shaco part, I really don't understand why his q is also a blink... as if stealth was not eough. I don't really think Lee is the signature champion of league... Ahri or Ryze take the spot there I think.
: So before ward jumping became much more contraversal there where a few considerations... it had to be able to target allies as an ability that can only target enemies obviously can’t be used on your own wards... so out of your list that narrows it down to Braum gnar and rakan. Braum it was decided that it would allow for him to be too aggressive if he could ward hop and this was proven in early play tests so he didn’t get the ability forcing him to be more defencive or assistive focused Gnar there was a reason I believe it was him being way too mobile with it... I can’t remember it off the top of my head but Riot did have a specific reason. After the assasin update it was decreed that ward hopping would become a unique mechanic to lee sin, this Kat lost hers and jax will loose his when he receives his VGU... as rakan was released after this decision it obviously was never considered for him. So that’s the reason, mainly riot have decided against giving it to others and want to restrict it to lee in the future (as he actually uses it for more than a get out of jail free card), and before that decision it tends to be too aggressive when paired with mobility that can’t target enemies.
I know what you mean, but if the ability description is talking about enemy units, bot just enemy champions, why can‘t even be enemy wards be targeted? Rengar for example is able to use his passive on wards, why can‘t all champions with abilities that target enemy units do that? Saying it is able to make Braum more aggressive really sounds hypocritical to me... since the main use would be to make it easier for Braum to land his skillshot Q, which also basically is the same ability as Lee Sins Q, maybe it would even make Braum viable. Gnar would be way to mobile with it... but Lee Sin or Jax are not? Heck, you could even lower the distance he bounced on a ward if that was needed. The stuff you are talking about in the next part is the exact thing I am questioning. In the assassin update it was decreed that only Lee Sin can ward jump, not even Kata with basically the same spell in her kit. Why is Lee sin favored like this? What makes him special to be allowed even more mobility to land his only skillshot? Its way to easy to create combos for him, which enemys basically can do nothing about. To be honest, I really don‘t think Jax will be getting a VGU in the next years... people would be way too mad if his kit changed and Riot most likely thinks he still fits into the current game.
Rioter Comments
Tôbi (EUW)
: Let's team up and call it the lonely team. How idea? {{sticker:galio-happy}}
I would love to, but I think a bit of a problem is our different elo... you are diamond and I am Silver
Tôbi (EUW)
: I'm too lonely to build a clash team.
I am basically the same... litereally no friends or people I consistently play with to create a team.
Declined (EUNE)
: We finished gathering up the winner requests only a few hours ago, so taking into consideration that it's weekend, I'm going to guess that rewards goes out Monday or Tuesday, depending on how busy they are.
: 🎉🕷️Boards Volunteer Quiz - Winners Announcement!🕷️🎉
I know I already commented on here, but I was wondering how/when I wil be able to recive my Emote Bundle price. ^^
: You are totally right , a lot of champions have been literally forgotten about , should get a VU sooner or later . Thank you though. :)
But you are right about Zyra. Especially her plants and regular splash art look way to much like the old summoners rift and kinda dont fit into the new one.
: > [{quoted}](name=SnoringSnorr,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Hj6AxnBM,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-30T00:49:53.654+0000) > > but this should still not be possible in normal games. Why? Such that people can't play with higher/lower ranked friends anymore?
I think people with a plat elo should be ranked against players with plat elo, not silver, even if they have lower Elo friends with them, which not even was the case in my game.
Forsan (EUW)
: It's a normal game stop crying already
So I should not be allowed to have fun in normal games? This basically is the dumbest argument, there are some people that dont enjoy playing ranked
: 🎉🕷️Boards Volunteer Quiz - Winners Announcement!🕷️🎉
Hey I won something! I knew reading all the lore would pay off one day! Thanks and GG to everyone!
: About Zyra
Well... I personally thing that champions like Udyr or Dr. Mundo or Skarner need a VU way more than Zyra...
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HercaZ (EUNE)
: Yes, any ADC need at least ~20mins of game to achieve something similar in terms of Crit rate... Like what the actual F*ck? :D
But thats not all, he also has a second passive! As well as no mana! Isnt that great?
HercaZ (EUNE)
: Yasuo + 2x cloak of agility = 100% crit rate? Anyone?
Yeah its complete bullshit. The fact that Yasuo has double crit anyway is bullshit.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: Assume worst, never be surprised. People not loading at all usually are on the middle of the fountain not around it at the start unless there is something else that's causing it. I have no idea at what point the message is triggered as he may have dc'd after loading but before the point the announcer was already working. I'm just guessing, but rework system should be looked at to consider more than just "didn't connect past lobby".
Well he was standing in the middle of the fountain, probably worded that poorly. Well yeah, this is why I am reporting this.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: If he connected at any point i think you can't remake. Even if he was there briefly before the remake vote appeared.
There would have been the "A summoner has reconeccted" message, which did not appear
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Eldian Empire,realm=EUNE,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=6Ijz4MAn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-13T05:16:58.910+0000) > > that bittersweet should thank me since I voted for it from my 10 alt accounts. Umh, my friends voted me from 8 votes to 14 so i dont Think so. XD but if u voted me thank you
6 Votes just from your friends... damn that is as many as I got in general...
: [EUW] 1380RP minimal art contest |Part 3 : Results]
GG! It was a lot of fun :3 Im happy with second place! Everyone did a great job ^^
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Thank you for the correction! I only saw a video of someone opening a few, and that's the conclusion I made, wasn't sure about the exact details.
Ah okay! Thanks to the both of you. Much appreciated.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Jackpots are different.
Rioter Comments
: yay a second entry
I hope there will be more entrys, since with only so few the contest is kinda boring :(
: [EUW] 1380RP minimal art contest
https://imgur.com/a/cCRY4Yx I present you with Drummer Ornn. He bonks you on the head with his drumsticks and when he crafts something he takes out his drums and just jams a bit. The ram in his ult would be the tour bus of his band. Since riot really likes their music skin why not give one to someone who is not human?
: Pulsefire Thresh
First of all, you don't need to post the same thing two times. I can see that it seems like you posted the first one In the wrong board but you can delete your own post. Next up... are you really complaining about a skin for your favourite champion just because you don't like the thematic? Just be happy that he at least is getting a skin at all, heck he is basically getting two skins at once! And thresh even got another really cool skin last year! (High Noon thresh) And I don't know what you think is bland about the design, basically every single part of him looks perfect for a Pulsefire Skin, there are a lot of different particles and even fitting sounds, which is not always a given. I have no Idea what you mean with the skin being a "bug"... how is it a bug? It really annoys me when people get great skins for their favourite champions basically every year and then are so entitled to complain about them. Even if you don't personally like the skin as much, it still looks good and has a lot of work put in to it, at least be happy that he gets one. Other champions are completely left behind regarding skins. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Why a f**king Thresh skin again?
Ur right. I think Yasuo or Akali should get one instad
: About talking: I wish those shop keepers on Howling Abyss had a muzzle option.
Yeah their talking is really weird... sometimes you just get a voiceline from them when you are in the middle of the map.
Santinel (EUW)
: It's impressive that anyone cared enough to write such a long essay about it. I don't think they will change anything about those champions because they are going to be reworked anyway so there is point in changing them now for such a reason.
Well thank you, but I never heard about a rework of any of the champions I listed besides fiddlesticks... but feel free to correct me.
: Hello @SnoringSnorr , Yes , but calling us Summoner is not a bad thing , even it's interesting . if champions would talk to us & doesn't use summoner to refer to us then what would they call us ? they can't call us in our real names Unless riot adds a Blank Space to fill with our real names & even with that , the champion voice actors/actresses must be modified to spell the words like a voiced dictionary (same as Google translate Voice ) which ... i don't know if Riot do it . so totaly champions can't call our names for now unless the game adds the above mentioned voice system) so while we're summoners & we can't be called with a better reference,Thus it's ok as it is.{{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
I personally think it is a bad thing, because for me it just sounds goofy and makes the Champion to more of a marionette rather than a own person. But I guess these are just personal opinions, everyone has a different one. Of course they wouldn't be able to add text to speech to champions, but they can just refer to the player as "You".
016 Hiro (EUNE)
: I do not agree. Ok, summoners rift and whole thing we are playing is not canon anymore. But since summoners rift is non canon, why aeverything that happen on it should be canon? We are still "summoners", we are still on "summoners rift", we still use "summoner spells" - so why it is problem when some champions still speak to us? Whole game part is non canon so i dont see single problem when it happens only in game.. I found it quite nice when Sona speaks "Only you can hear me, Summoner. What masterpiece shall we play today?" (its still in Polish version)
It is because there is a lot of inconsistency that way. Newer champions don't do this anymore and act like themselves as if they were transported into summoners rift somehow. Older champions still stick to the summoner and being controlled thing. I think they could go through with one of the things completely. Also it really is a big personal preference, because I think it just really goofy when they talk to their summoner. But it is okay to have different opinions :)
: Hello Summoners . About Champions~Summoners Conversation , I Actually Love It . Specially when the Champion is Your Main and you Love it . the Conversation Champion starts , make it Feels They're Alive & Real ! I & Way Too Many Many Players Adore it ! when the champion talks to you it feels : You're Not Alone ! The Champ is Your Company through all that Happens . maybe some of Champion Quotes are a few Blurry & needs some More Explicitly Speakings & Precise Identifications to make it a Super Realistic Conversation with You . In that case , it's good to have voice line like : ◘Quotes with More Insights & Depth & Feelings (Like Aurelion Sol{{champion:136}}, Karthus{{champion:30}} , Amumu{{champion:32}} ) ◘or with more Wisdom & Actually Good Advises (Like Ryze{{champion:13}} ) ◘Or Champions ask Good Questions (which doesn't need your answers , & just to make you think of it , is Great) ◘or Champions Share some of their Best Experiences And Opinions(according to their lore) With You to maybe You Both Find a Mutual Understandings & Point of View . It will make Wonderful Moments when The Champions & His/Her Summoner , **Actually Touch !** and also makes the game more Joyful . these Quotes Are Good Stuff to Help Summoners & Their Main Champions , **Bond Together ! ** on other side , unfortunately many Champions doesn't talk with summoner & they just speak some lifeless Empty words of Violence or Meaningful teases like : Bow to the void or i want to Devour/fight it ... also there are Other Champions that when they{{champion:150}} Speak , i have no idea rather than meh .. But they might be Cute in some Views . Hope the Voice Lines & their subjects contain these points . Thanks for Reading . Sincerely .
Hello! Like I stated in another comment already, I do agree that the interaction between the player and the champion can be quite charming and interesting. And I do agree to the points you made, the boding part for example, that you actually feel connected to the champion as a player. I love Ryze's and Aurelion Sol's quotes a lot! The main problem I have with the general topic is just the outdated "Summoner" naming. Just adding ”Summoner“ to the end of their quote just seems kinda boring and robs them of their independence a bit. I also just wanted to bring some insight on completely outdated audio design (Zilean,Singed). And to your example with Gnar, I think his quotes fit him perfectly. It wouldn't really fit him to regulary talk, since he basically is a primal yordle from a time where there was no language like we know it today.
CarryAll (EUNE)
: I enjoyed reading your summary. Let me add my personal opinion: 1. I think that the old lore that forced the Summoners Rift to be canon was very cumbersome and inflexible. I agree that making it no longer canon allowed the lore of the champions to be much more interesting and rich. 2. Given that the SR is no longer canon, I think it is OK that some of the interactions in SR are not canon themselves. I find it cool that the champion occasionally speaks to me. It seems OK to me that some of the quotes a champion has adhere to his lore while others break the fourth wall and just adhere to his personality and not entirely to his lore. Anyway, the fact he participates in the SR typically already contradicts with his lore. 3. What I wrote above does not change the fact that as you suggest some champions had better get renewed quotes.
I do agree with you. It can actually be quite charming to have a interaction between the player and the champion. Since, yeah, SR already contradicts their lore anyway. But I would still think the way the 4th wall is getting broken by champions that do so should be changed. I really don‘t enjoy the Idea of them calling you ”Summoner“, since that makes them kinda seem less like a own entity you know? I would really enjoy some more subtle interactions, like with Jinx, Graves and I even enjoy the ”Let me at ’em“ by Jax, since these quotes underline their personalities. Just adding ”Summoner“ to the end of their quote just seems kinda boring and robs them of their independence a bit. I hope what I was trying to say was understandable. Also, Thank you
: ***
Telling another person he is wrong because he is starting to get personal and insult... but doing it yourself... nice
: You lost the argument completely the moment you began harassing. You are reported.
And there it is, as soon as your opinion is directly criticized they are ”harassing“ you. What a great way to shut someone down when you don‘t have any arguments yourself anymore. Please tell us more how EU got themselves unfair advantages over SKT... and no... SKT is not ”The real winner”, they lost with a score of 1v3 against the team that played better than them. No ”better team dynamic“, if they had the better team dynamic they would have won. Also, letting Faker try to go 1v9 is not a good team dynamic. You don‘t care about the score, you care about the battle... if you watched the games you would have seen that they lost the battle... if SKT won that they wouldn‘t have been beaten.
: I think jax could have super cool lines, the story they wrote about him the other day was really good imo
Kashiro (EUNE)
: But...You are the summoner...summoning them ... The closest to 4th wall was when Mordekaiser told me i need to only click once, and then he called me a fool.
No. You are not anymore. Summoners are not a thing in the lore anymore. Yeah I remember that too, but this line was removed with his rework.
Rioter Comments
: U don't really get to decide what a platform is for tho
I am pretty sure that a videogame that you didn't make is not meant to be used to advertise for your own profit.
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: But Riot does support streamers. Giving the more popular ones free skins, some extra bonuses. Because in fact streaming allows new or casual players to be more hooked to the game. So advertising your stream is also a profit for Riot.
But shoving it into peoples faces after the game is not the right way to promote your stream. Let riot decide who they want to promote.
: Repeating your argument does not make it valid. ToU don't state that doing this prohibited.
I edited into my post after I commented it here. EDIT: I never said that ToU prohibits this
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: And why not? It's okay to advertise streams in pregame or postgame chat. It's what get's people and friendgroups going.
League is not a platform to advertise for your own profit.
: If I'm not mistaken there nothing on TOS against advertising streamers on post game chat
League is not a platform to advertise for your own profit.
Shozis (EUNE)
: I don't see what's so bad about it. It doesn't do any harm to anyone, and it's only good for the game/developers because streamers create noise and popularity around the game, and that's good for the game.
League is not a platform to advertise for your own profit.
Rioter Comments
: 1) He was not an MVP, please rewatch the series. He got caught in a couple of crucial times, especially game 4 2) SKT refused to bootcamp in EU before the worlds, thinking they are already better than others. Such arrogance brought them a well deserved loss. They should be happy with top 4 result - its much better than last year 3) Faker personally got top 1 from all top 20 players we have seen - that's more than enough for him Also you write about EUW ego... How about you check the ego of your korean idols? Recently faker claimed that only korea deserves the championship and their region is #1 P.S. Oh look skt fanboys are downvoting with no reply again.
Yeah xD My comment also got downvoted. I love how frustrated SKT fanboys are that they lost against the better team.
: Am I the only one that feels really bad for Faker?
To be honest... no I dont feel bad for him. In my opinion he played rather bad in the games. We didn't really focus on the right things and probably was too overconfident. I think it is good that SKT is not winning worlds, maybe it will make them really work on themselves. After winning like 3 times in a row they probably just thought it would be a cakewalk every year. Faker is good, yes. But he is by far not the best player, at least not anymore.
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