Lariatas (EUNE)
: Even with 60 % tenacity and those item which cost a ton and are understat don't help , when you get oneshotted since everything is dmg amp in this game. starting with masteries ending with champs . {{item:3147}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3095}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3074}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3146}} {{item:3390}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3030}} {{summoner:14}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3057}} {{item:2015}} {{item:3144}} {{item:1402}} You cant have shit long of cc chain that stacks on top and insane burst . Either one or another cuz thats fkin bullshit unfair gameplay.
Defence items are cheaper than offence items. If you have 90AD and want to double that to 180AD, it would cost you 2 BF swords and 2 long swords - 3300 gold total If i wanted to reduce that damage from 180 per auto to 90 per auto.. assuming i have ZERO armour, then i need 100 armour costing 2 chain vests and 2 cloth armour (which actually gives 110 armour) - 2200 gold total So...What can we learn here? Defensive items can be a good way of coming back from being behind, since you can reduce the enemies damage for less gold than they can increase it. Or when you buy defence/offence items, such as IBG, zhonyas, steraks etc they can be more valuable overall that pure offence items which only add damage.
Lariatas (EUNE)
: %%%% u Game dev.
{{item:3222}} {{item:3140}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3102}} {{item:2138}} {{item:3814}} Then theres, tenacity, unflinching, cleanse... im sure i have missed more
: caitlyn traps are bullshit and there are spots in bot lane where they are impossible to see
: For those who are not happy with LoL atm 🤷‍♂️
I mean this game used to be so balanced back in season 2 and 3, why did they go an remove all the 2.5 sec duration point and click silences from assassins kits?
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2020-01-28T09:34:37.660+0000) > > I duo'd with Minchsko who is on this thread and one of the people who was unsure about what i was saying. > I added him and just invited him since he is in the same bracket currently. > > So i played 6 games with him and if you have doubts (as i joked with him this would happen) you can go check all the game stats. > I did all the work and he just tried to help out. > We never used game chat, i just answered Q a few times about what he should build. > > Infact the 1st game was a nightmare because i had weird frame rate issues in league and my FPS would just judder and go to 50fps... > So i could barely move and had to reboot mid game. > So that was a bad start, but after that games were normal. > > https://imgur.com/a/PzRTT4S > > We ended 4/6 wins because of that technical bug in the 1st game. And im back to soloing again. so without the technical you did better with a duo then without it 80% winrate to your now 77% winrate it might be right when you say you did all the work, but nontheless it still is a big advantage when one person on your team is always on the same page as you, even if he is not as good as you. he will follow you wherever and follows up on your engage, which is not something you can expect from random people also people have big egos and therefore if someone lets himself get carried is also an advantage in comparison to people wanting to carry or trying to carry to end up feeding. there are enough stupid people out there who just grief your game if they are not the one to carry the game, well they think they carry by getting a lot of kills.
No he was the same skill level as everyone else we were matched with. There was no advantage, we werent in voice chat, i said nothing to him that i wouldnt say to any other ADC. I was not coaching him, or guiding him i just invited him to game and he did whatever he wanted and i never cared because it was a mid silver (gold last season mmr) game and im sorry, but i can switch my brain off and win these just by poking and roaming. If he asked a question, i gave a quick answer or pinged an item in the shop. He played ok some games and did close to nothing in others. I was just playing with him because he posted here adamantly saying that the problem is 'teams ruin the games, therefore you cant climb' So i wanted to show him 1st hand, in game, that i dont care about these teams. Im just going to do some very simple things and win the game. I didnt rely on him for anything, just as i did not before these games , nor after.
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: So will you not continue playing this challange? :O
Back in, i just needed a league break. Burnt out from all my ranked over the hols. 55 Games now, 70% win rate.
Unknοwn (EUW)
: "LP increase on a winning streak"
When your MMR rank exceeds your in game rank your LP will increase per win to bring you up to your 'true skill rank' faster. You probably are in debt and working your way back out, therefore no big LP per win.
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2020-01-30T05:12:47.288+0000) > > I did a dumb thing and played in the middle of the night when i couldnt sleep. Got some weird people as well as really mixed skill levels. > Lowest being silver 2 highest being p3. > > For example one adc MF from Angola... with fleet footwork rushing sanguine blade. Clearly no clue, but cant do much in lane or TF when the AOE carry has no damage. > > > A lot of these games were true 2v5s me and one other person doing something useful and 3 people getting caught or hard feeding. > I was still 2nd place damage in most of those games even as true tank in some cases. > > But yeah you can expect some weird games at 3am-10am in gold/plat MMR well, that's partially exactly the things that people are complaining about, why they have a hard time climbing :x
I have acknowledged many times that you need 3 ppl on a team to win, and losses are going to happen. Experienced league players also know that ranked after midnight in EUW is lower quality and eventually it ends up as no offence, but foreigners with no clue who dont speak enough english to undertstand any guides/videos, so cant really keep up with the meta/items. yes i had a few games where team straight up ignored my 'build hp% shred' or 'stack damage armour items' because the enemy was all HP or all armour. If the team does not do this, you lose to a stat check, which just sucks.
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: So, the last couple of games you have a lot of struggle. What is happening? :o
I did a dumb thing and played in the middle of the night when i couldnt sleep. Got some weird people as well as really mixed skill levels. Lowest being silver 2 highest being p3. For example one adc MF from Angola... with fleet footwork rushing sanguine blade. Clearly no clue, but cant do much in lane or TF when the AOE carry has no damage. A lot of these games were true 2v5s me and one other person doing something useful and 3 people getting caught or hard feeding. I was still 2nd place damage in most of those games even as true tank in some cases. But yeah you can expect some weird games at 3am-10am in gold/plat MMR
CMPlays92 (EUW)
: In the UK, where I am from, under the Suicide Act 1961 [http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/9-10/60] it is an indictable offence to encourage suicide; Criminal liability for complicity in another’s suicide. [F1(1)A person (“D”) commits an offence if— (a)D does an act capable of encouraging or assisting the suicide or attempted suicide of another person, and (b)D's act was intended to encourage or assist suicide or an attempt at suicide. In California, where Riot HQ is based, it is a felony to encourage another person to commit suicide [https://www.shouselaw.com/aiding-suicide.html]; Under Penal Code 401 PC, California's aiding a suicide law, it is a felony in California to help someone else commit suicide, or advise or encourage them to commit suicide. 'The legal definition of aiding a suicide You violate California's “aiding a suicide” law when you deliberately do either of the following: Help someone commit suicide; or Advise or encourage someone to commit suicide.' It is not a matter of someone insulting me, it's a matter of LAW. By the law of the land where I reside (The UK) and by the law of the land where RIot HQ is (California), it IS a crime to encourage suicide. There is no two ways about it, that IS the law.
You are confusing the legal language which is meant to protect vulnerable people with terminal illnesses, who may have impaired judgement and be in the company of greedy relatives who wish to avoid expensive care costs and treatment. If somone was to need say an expected 10 years private care, the bills could cost them their home. Some relatives talk their elders into ending their life, ultimately so they dont lose inheritance. Telling someone to %%%, or go jump off a cliff in a game, will never be seen as more than a tasteless insult. You would have to be unusually thin skinned to take these words that deep and act upon them, and being so would actually warrant you seeking professional help since you would likely be vulnerable in any competitive environment, socially or business. Assisting someone to end their life, especially when it has financial implications would directly constitute manslaughter and possibly murder if you directly assist. And as such it is forbidden to encourage or assist this. Doctors can 'induce' patients with morphine to hurry the natural process and alleviate suffering. But this is quite hushed and only done in 'end of life' treatment stages. If people are mad at losing a game and being insulted, i still think they should just report and move on. You cannot change the way humans are, and stopping free speech is not the answer.
: Why play Senna adc?
She needs a player who can get the damage out of her, but yeah she sucks in low elo because she has no attack speed and when shes behind just cannot do anything useful other than a few snares.
PurpleOrk (EUW)
: There's nothing to fix, it's intentionally designed like this, to break streaks and enforce an artificial 50% winrate.
CAN YOU ACTUALLY BACK THIS STATEMENT UP WITH SOME DEV POSTS, DATA OR RIOTS OWN ADMISSION OF THIS? THANKS!
Madnasher (EUW)
: I apologise for the misconception of apparent tone, the issue with text is that tone is not easily conveyed. However you contradict yourself multiple times over your statements. Instead of going back over your posts and pulling them all apart one by one Im just going to take a comment from your latest post, which is the underlying thread of what you say. > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-28T14:35:35.211+0000) > The ladder is also meant to be climbed over the next 10 months, so its not like you should be right back at your peak right this minute. > Early season is a good opportunity to test yourself, since you would be climbing low ranks vs higher skill players. > If you can still climb this is great because it means you are getting better. And getting to see better players and learning from what they do can be a golden opportunity. Now, my point is this. As someone who has been silver for most of the time I have played, but always made it to gold in pre season, and last season making it to gold and slowly climbing, I understand quite well that the difference in ability between gold and bronze is marginal. Its not alot. So games do come down to coinflips alot more. Your premise works on the basis for higher ranked players where there is actually a noticable gap in skills. A noticable gap in decision making. An actual difference. Also, your premise is flawed because of your above statement. Soft reset had alot of gold players in silver, plat players in gold etc etc. So, theoretically bronze is silver (I am facing alot of s2+ mmr so this premise can be assumed to be correct) so theoretically I am close to the level that I finished at last year, due to the soft reset. However, this has me in bronze at the current moment, and this will have me alongside smurfs for a few games (see your earlier statement regarding you deliberately throwing your placements to end up in low elo) but also along side new players with no experience in ranked, hence why the lower elo is more of a stomp/be stomped environment. You have presented proof that the higher elo players will climb, I have never contested this. You have also presented proof that if you are of a certain level you stand a significantly higher risk of being in a coinflip game. Will I get back to gold? Certainly. Will it take me a while? Yes. Am I going to have to tolerate the coinflip stomp/be stomped algorithm that rito has made? Yep. Check out youtube for unranked to diamond or challenger videos. Youll find hundreds already. Each person is 'proving you can climb' but, here is the kicker, each person is significantly better than the lower elos that they seem to enjoy stomping while they create their content.
>Yes. Am I going to have to tolerate the coinflip stomp/be stomped algorithm that rito has made? Yep. If you play now, in the 1st month of the season you are going to likely be climbing vs people that were just as good as you yes. The 'coinflip' doesnt really exist. Thats just the fact that once you get to the stage where you are as good as the people you are with, you statistically cannot stand out. All the variance is eliminated and you wont win more than lose, until you figure out how to get better. Riot never invented anything. This is just a logical absolute. Play yourself 1000 times you will expect to beat yourself 500 times. Nothing prevents you from using your brain, just look at at how badly people play and take advantage of their mistakes. Get better and more fluent with the game mechanics. Make sure your spells all count, and are used on the right people at the right time. There are sooo many things low elo players can fix and it will win the team fights which win the games. Diamond players are not gods, they just dont do as many stupid things as lower ranked players. They do things more efficiently, they know the game better, and they tend to focus on few champions and roles.
Elegtro (EUNE)
: Bad ranked system
Weird cos i just got to your Elo with 78% win rate on a new bronze 4 account in under 50 games, just playing sona support solo. I am not a streamer and Riot does not know i am doing a 'proof ranked is not rigged' series. My experience is that skill still works. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Report%20Sona%20omg
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2020-01-28T09:44:06.504+0000) > > The ladder has a lot of win/loss data for a lot of people and it does a really good job of matching teams. > As long as people have played a good 50-100 games they should be close to their skill level, because its all based on reducing variance over #games played. > I think this is one part of the problem and frustration of players right now. Maybe the soft reset from season start has a much bigger effect on the matchmaking, and therefore people are getting mixed with a lot more people above and below the actuall MMR, cause the actual MR isn't as "fix" now as it was before the reset? Also something you mentioned before, what is probably a big part of many players frustration these weeks: Lets say someone was Plat 2 directly before the new Season start. They climbed pretty decently without bigger problems through Gold, and now were on a slow but steady path up to Diamond. So they were very eager and motivated to reach diamond and it felt possible to make. Now because of new Season start and maybe some not so good Placement matches like 3-7 or 4-6 they start the new season in Gold 4 or Gold 3 and feel like "well, I climbed through Gold before without any problems, I was on my way to diamond, somewhere around Plat 1 is where I belong, maybe even Diamonds" (cause before they were in Plat 2, and still climbing), so they start playing ranked games with that mindset and what suddenly happens is that you crush against a much harder wall in your new season games standing at Gold 3/4 Why? Cause pretty much all people got the soft reset! So now People in Gold are actually former Plat players. The MMR might be rather similar, but the Visual rank is not. Also maybe you get matched with a lot more people still in placement, maybe even some completely new players, cause you are GOld 3/4 and Placement matches for new players are along the Area of Silver/Gold? And I believe that is a strong reason for the frustration of a lot of players. Cause before the new Season, when Matchmaking actually REALLY had all the information from ONE COMPLETE YEAR of ranked games of people, someone was able to be in Plat 2 and still climbing, which means that is really WERE THEY BELONG. And suddenly they get reset back to Gold 4 and it feels much harder to climb (because people in Gold are not "gold" players but reset "plat" players) And from the way the human psychology works. Making so many steps backwords instead of forward is something very frustrating on our mind. That's why you have so many Threads all these weeks. Because people are frustrated about having been forced to take steps backwards instead of continuing forward. But actually it's JUST THE VISUAL depiction of rank. Everyone was put back. You probably would have to look at the percentile standing ! Like mine is: Rank: 716,803 (EUW: 134,399) Top 12% I unfortunately don't know where it was before the reset. But I imagine it didn't get such a big hit like the visual rank did. Dunno, just some thoughts.
Regarding the reset, everyones rank gets pulled down a whole level usually and thats because its about giving people something to climb. Putting plat players in actual gold games would make the gold players unhappy since whoever gets the most plats has the higher chance of winning. So matching people by skill is the only fair way for that reason. The ladder is also meant to be climbed over the next 10 months, so its not like you should be right back at your peak right this minute. Early season is a good opportunity to test yourself, since you would be climbing low ranks vs higher skill players. If you can still climb this is great because it means you are getting better. And getting to see better players and learning from what they do can be a golden opportunity. Plat 4 was hard to figure out for me the 1st time i was there (well p5 actually) as the player base was largely hardstuck and unimpressive. So trying to find good strategies or players who i could observe was pretty challenging. I eventually got better just through refinement of mechanics. i became so active in lane and on the map that i was a nightmare to deal with, where as most other p5 supps at the time were very passive and meta, or carelessly aggressive to where they would 50/50 games.
: with a 55% in GOLD 1, shouldn't i get at least 20 for win and lose 20 for a loss? i mean last season even with a negative win rate i would get more LP then losing them.
55% of what though? Percentages can be applied to small numbers. "75% of people agree brand X is the best" how many people did you poll? "ermm... 4 people" 55% doesnt mean you get any fixed lp gain/loss LP gain/loss is calculated via momentum of wins or losses. You need big numbers to swing it either way.
: LP system 2020 is broken
You probably tanked your MMR before end of season and didnt drop from plat 4 because it takes about 15 losses at 0pts to actually fall. Now you are paying back your debt. yeah just checked your op.gg The last 2 months in total, you lost more ranked than won in total. And that includes the uptick in wins you have recently.
PurpleOrk (EUW)
: Completely false. I play thousands of matches as low elo as it is possible, and once a game has started to snowball, comebacks happen once in twenty matches. If people can agree to quit a 15 / 1 match at 10 minutes, there's no good reason they have to be forced to keep playing.
I have literally just done a Bronze 4 to Gold climb over 39 games on an old smurf account. My win rate is 77% currently. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Report%20Sona%20omg Only count the Sona games, i trolled the placements because i wanted to try and get iron. Roughly half of games will go bad in the 1st 10 minutes, as i am useless until i have level 6 and a few basic items. I am able to bring back nearly all of these games in Bronze and Silver, and most in Gold MMR games. Dont forget people who are gold 4 now where plat 4 before reset. So im actually doing better in higher skill games since this is early season, despite the ranks being deflated in value.
Beolius (EUW)
: There is no way you can turn around a game when enemy is already so fed. Pointless to even try and play it. Only very small percentage of games in single digit can be turned around. This is simply stupid to ask anyone to sit through such unpleasant matchup.
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/u7H6A3u9-misconceptions-pt2-proof-that-solo-queue-is-99-skill-100-games-climbing-challenge-from-bronze-4 I have been doing this climb and im currently at 39/100 games. Nearly half of the games start out badly as expected since my champ is not OP in lane, she scales. So since i know what i am doing, i work hard to turn every game i can around. You are on EUW you can look up my replays from the account REPORT SONA OMG just type it in the player search on your client. Watch the match where i am 6/10/21 from today. That game was awful at the start and we managed to recoup and win, despite some mad flaming in the team chat. Once you get good at the game, you climb by mitigating losing games. You have to know how to take back the lead and make the game yours. This is how people get accounts with 70%+ win rates. DOPA can get to challenger in 70 games on new accounts with 90%+ win rates. The graph proves we took this game back. https://imgur.com/a/kgEB6e3
Râd (EUNE)
: I have the same problem, getting matched with people with at least 100 levels over my level, and that's really not fair. Wish they could fix this matchmaking.
player level is not equatable to skill Its not a rank. Everyone has an MMR stat which is invisible. All games have balanced MMR teams, if you want fair teams then try to play with people the same rank as you and avoid playing with gold/plats because this creates teams of wildly mixed abilities.
CMPlays92 (EUW)
: I Was Told to Kill Myself...
Its not really illegal to insult people. And i wouldn't want to live in a world where my words were punishable because someone disagreed with them. However you can just block and mute people, and reporting them is fine. Obviously there are policies that riot expects players to behave by and they might get bans, but no punishment details are ever shared. This is pretty normal int he business world too, people are dismissed in a confidential manner as standard practice.
: Season 10 - The worst Matchmaking of League's history
tl;dr I CANT CLIMB GIVE ME LP AND MAKE ME CHALLENGER OR I CRY
Madnasher (EUW)
: I mean, I get what you are saying, however these are my last few games: Remake. n/a Jungle 'forgot to switch' with ADC, so we had a yi bot. lost Nunu smite support, with aurelion sol adc. lost Actually a half decent game, just noone stood back to defend the backdoor from udyr as they were busy chasing a kill. lost Absolute stomp (they had an afk after feeding kills to our adc) win Remake - n/a Im 11/4 with an S- and lots of objective control, unfortunatly the score is 25 - 52 and I cant compete vs the stomp. Lost ok game, nasus was smurfing. Lost as soon as he got his first item basically. Lost Total stomp, 45 - 12. win total stomp. 21 -42. lost. In each loss I played reasonably well if not pretty good. My placements were a nightmare fueled by being hungover and to see bronze. 2 remakes over the last 10 games. 2 wins. 6 losses. The main prevailing thing with the wins? We are significantly better than the opposition. The main thing with the losses? Well. its either trolls or heavy feeding. One game in my last 10 I would call balanced. The biggest issue alot of us have with this claim that youll hit your rank eventually, is gold and lower is such a broader field, that we tend to become bogged down. The difference between gold and silver, or bronze, isnt much. The difference between bronze and diamond, is alot. Us lower elo players are sick and tired of you bigger players coming down and telling us 'youll climb when you git gud' and demonstrate it. By coming to our elo and stomping us. But remember, you smurfs are not the problem.
You have it in your mind that you are a certain rank, and its being kept from you. If you cannot win games, at the level even below the rank you think you should be, then you dont deserve the rank. The ladder has a lot of win/loss data for a lot of people and it does a really good job of matching teams. As long as people have played a good 50-100 games they should be close to their skill level, because its all based on reducing variance over #games played. So the more games you play, the more accurate your rank. Sure if someone played 15 games, they could be in the wrong place and that might imbalance the game a little. But thats not really an excuse to be stuck in bronze, when someone contests that they are deserving gold players. The purpose of this 100 game thing isnt to stomp on anyone, or attack lowly plebs in bronze for not being good. Its to prove to everyone that you can actually climb. There are no systematic barriers in place holding you back. It is all skill based, and there is no secret pool of inters and trolls and riot matches you with to keep you hard stuck. I have been very helpful to people here who ask what they can do to improve, i have even duo'd a few games with people who have spoken to me who were at the SAME elo i was in. So i dont know why you take this tone with me, im trying to help people.
: hm i see you are duo-ing in botlane pretty much defeats your point here, this kind of duo is op by duo-ing you are getting a big advantage of knowing your laning partner and having better communication also you are eliminating 1 bad player from your team so your "experiment" is tainted and now you are not alone anymore to decide if you climb or not on top duo pre bot is op, since on the other side most of the time you will have 2 people who do not know each other and are not used to each other. basically you guys have synergy and the other bot lane has none, on top of you smurfing
I duo'd with Minchsko who is on this thread and one of the people who was unsure about what i was saying. I added him and just invited him since he is in the same bracket currently. So i played 6 games with him and if you have doubts (as i joked with him this would happen) you can go check all the game stats. I did all the work and he just tried to help out. We never used game chat, i just answered Q a few times about what he should build. Infact the 1st game was a nightmare because i had weird frame rate issues in league and my FPS would just judder and go to 50fps... So i could barely move and had to reboot mid game. So that was a bad start, but after that games were normal. https://imgur.com/a/PzRTT4S We ended 4/6 wins because of that technical bug in the 1st game. And im back to soloing again.
Torkl (EUW)
: it should be 5 minute tops, most games are finished at 20 minutes, but decided in lobby or first 2 minutes
Completely false. Games are thrown constantly, especially below high diamond. Look for ways to spot mistakes and take over the game. Defence items are CHEAPER than offence items and 3k well spent can half an enemies 10k damage build.
Beolius (EUW)
: Why not cut ff time to 10mins?
Games are decided by team fights not lanes. Stop quitting games because team is 0/15 and start to understand compositions and teamfighting. Some laners are designed to win lane or roam and single people out. Once its teamfight time guess what?? They are outscaled, have bad kits and start hard losing.
Soretal (EUNE)
: "It's your fault bro! You did not lose because your team!"
STOP PLAYING A DIFFERENT CHAMPION EACH GAME Play your best role and pick an easy champion to play. Yi Teemo and WW are all fine, but stick to learning and getting good at few things, dont try and play 50 things. This is mainly why you are crashing, or why people get stuck at an Elo.
Sefiroz (EUW)
: It's another person's thread, I'm just helping out spreading it a bit because I feel it's a great in a more informative way than any other thread :) I haven't watched all of his/her matches, but the ones I have looked at he/she has never gone mid lane with her so far :D (that just seems to be the name of the account)
I dont recommend this. It takes a lot of knowldge and experience to pull off. Most people will just feed and piss their teams off. I am a OTP sona support, over 3m mastery. This is something that works in high elo because people are good enough mechanically and understand how to roam and gank.
DaneJu (EUNE)
: It's not bout my ego or sth like that,it's because i win some games but the mmr still not getting the same as my leauge and then,the teammates i am having are low skilled/leavers/trollers it's like something happening to matchmaking system and all the win streak games i had turn into a lose streak..And that's what is keep going that's why i asked all that bout mmr and stuff cause like that i cant league up,i win some games in a row and then the teammates i have on the next games are completely unskilled it's like messaging me that the lose streak started
Yeah this seems to be a common psychological issue. I have spoken to a lot of people in the last week about the rank system and gathered a lot of feelings about what happens when people climb or descend. What you need to realise is there is no part of the ladder which is just made of trolls and inters. There are trolls in every tier, and people will lose lanes and tilt at every level as well. Maybe AFKs are more common in lower brackets, that could be possible since they are new to the game and may seriously just have realised that this game is too much and thats their last ever ranked game. I dont know though. Its easy to say that someone inted, but if you look at your own scores, you have no doubt got many games with similar stats. So someone who played with you, has also looked and thought... damn this ranked system, it gave me the feeder Daneju so i would lose this game. You may call these people bad, but if you cannot stand out from them... then that means you are one of them. Bad teams are easy to carry, i do it all day on my silver smurf. Im holding an 80%+ win rate currently playing just support, which is not a carry role. This realisation of being below expectation does not sit well with most people. Initially people go into denial when the evidence suggests they are not the rank they ideally think and wish they were. This is where the flaming and blaming really starts. So yes i hear this complaint on the board, and from people stuck at every Elo and i mean EVERY ELO. The only solution is honestly to get better. Learn the game properly and iron out your mistakes.
Drda (EUW)
: Play some broken champs like ekko, pyke, shaco, nocturne, sett, aphelios, kaisa, etc
Nearly all of those champs require solid skills to play effectively. Kai'sa and sett dont seem too challenging but i would still say play basic champs since the goal is to learn how to play. The champs you recommended are mostly pretty unique and dont share much gameplay with any other champs skillset. What you recommended is pretty much what leads most low Elo players into a painful existence. Since they will play stuff like Yasuo and 2000 games later they are still silver with a 1:3 KDA, but also 10 x more toxic. You dont need 'broken' champs or 1v9 champs. You need mechanics and experience.
DaneJu (EUNE)
: Thanks for your answer! The problem is that on the ending of last season a friend of mine was playing with my account but he is not that skilled in conclusion he lost a lot of my mmr but beacause of the shield i wasnt getting demoted,what i cant understand now is that if i win games i will league up and i get my mmr bigger,if i lose games i will not leauge up and i will get my mmr smaller,so mmr and leauge ranked will never be the same,that's my problem how i can get that the same?i have to get demoted on current mmr leauge and then try to leauge up or i have to keep on winning games and via system mmr and league will be the same?
It really makes no difference unless you feel from an ego standpoint that you have something to prove. If you play games your MMR will scale up or down with wins/losses. Matchmaking is just a system trying to set up equally skilled teams vs each other. The end result is always the same. Most players will reach their true skill level by 100 games or earlier. Higher elo players might need more games to push up to diamond>challenger tiers. But most other divisions can be climbed much sooner and you will come to rest. Your mmr fixes itself, you will freefall with big loss streaks, the same way you can climb like a rocket with win streaks. If you are in freefall, you eventually hit teams so bad you cant help but win, and u start getting wins and slowing down descent. Once your win rate reaches 50% over a decent number of games... you're home. It might not be where you want to be, so learn the game and get help to improve if thats the case. But stop worrying about numbers and ranks. Focus on what matters, which is learning to win.
DaneJu (EUNE)
: MMR
Well first of all you were plat season 9. Reset puts you and other low plats in Low gold. So technically you would be playing vs and losing games to low plat high gold players to start dropping MMR. The main factor though is not your team mates, if you are in Gold 2 but playing with Silver 2 players its because you are being shielded from demotion. If you keep losing games your MMR will drop and drop until you hit Silver 4 MMR at which point you will drop down to Silver 1. If you really are a Gold 4 player, you would not be losing games so hard at that Elo, you would be 50% win rate. As the Elo decreases, the games should be easier. So either someone helped you, or you had a hell of a lucky streak last season which got you Plat by pure luck. But it seems clear right now that this rank is undeserved, and every game you play is being adjusted to weaker level teams to find out where you really are. Looking at your OP.GG https://eune.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=DaneJu - You are playing SOOOO many champs and roles. This will hurt your progress more than anything, pick one main role and related flex role. (jungle/supp - jungle/top - Mid/supp - Adc/supp) - Stick to 3 champs maximum - make sure they are EASY to play, stop playing Kha, Ez, Leblanc. Vi and Mundo Xin, are probably safer choices from your champ pool, if you want to play Jungle/Top, Mundo can do both and is OP in low Elo. Easy champs are easy to control, and you cant mess them up, you can just do your job. - You play badly on basic champs like Annie, Udyr, Lucian, Brand, even Amumu.... This shows you have weak fundamentals with positioning, map movement, trading, decision making, foresight and probably managing and using abilities probably. So work on this!
Sad Fiora (EUNE)
: balance
Why dont you play them? - If they are broken, then you get free wins and climb. - If you lose because people keep countering them the same way over and over, then you get to see for yourself why they are not broken, and you learn something new about the game. So you win in both outcomes right? You can also go look at pro players guides to playing the champs where they will of course give detailed explanations of what these champs are both weak too Tryndamere - Hard CC, attack speed reduction, crit reduction, slows, exhaust, ignite...being kited or walking away from him when he ults and waiting out his 5 seconds of 'why the hell are you still standing next to me moron, you cant kill me but i can kill you?' Hes normally used as a splitpusher, so stay in lane as much as possible to deny him free towers. Protip - When tryn is low HP and then uses his ult, cast ignite on him 2/3 seconds later and walk away. Both are 5 second duration, so the ignite will reduce his Q heal and burn the rest off while you spam laugh or dance. Nasus - Hard CC, grievous wounds, slows, exhausts, armour pen, hp% shred...kiting, fighting him as 2+ people. Picking Renekton, vayne, Quinn, Teemo. Keep in lane vs him all game to stop him splitpush freefarming.
HercaZ (EUNE)
: I dont know man we are clearly playing on different servers even different games lol.. Or maybe Sona is just that Op ... i dont know what to say..
The rational explanation is that people think they are better than they are. And when reality says 'sorry you are gold 3 and thats where you belong boy' People refuse to accept it, and look for reasons outside of themselves as to why they cant achieve what they think they deserve. The cold hard fact is people are cognitively bias about their own ability, or lack of abiity. We are both playing the same game, in fact your server is typically considered easier to climb. But the same laws of maths, statistics and other variances are at play. I would climb on any server you put me on because i know how to play at the level i am at. And i am far, far, from pro at this game, but the time i have invested into getting better gets me consistent results. If you actually tried to improve by learning more about the game and getting better at fundamentals, you would absolutely get better. But most people like myself misunderstood the game. I played like a moron for 2 years, playing every champ i owned in ranked in whatever lane i wanted to play that day. I never got good at anything. i barely understood anything about what i was doing wrong, and less of what i should have been doing right.
HercaZ (EUNE)
: Your posts only prove the coin flip ranked exists sorry... A lot guys agree on that looking at your posts too... If you want to test my skills you can add me in the game, i got nothing to hide lol..
Current record 20 wins 4 losses - 83% win rate. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Report%20Sona%20Mid (only the sona games count, the rest were...thrown placements) If you are saying i have proved that ranked is a coin flip, you are absolutely trolling. There is no way for a rational person to interpret that as being like 50/50. Also noone is disagreeing on the main post. Its worryingly silent in fact... I have a lot of down votes sure, but since those people wont come and logically explain why i am wrong i guess they are also in denial or trolling like yourself. Its easy to down vote something you disagree with, but its hard to deny that im proving the point.
Ahwu (EUW)
: While I not necessarily agree with the measures you take I can see by the reactions in the thread (and the pretty obvious denial) that you hit the nail in the coffin with this. I think it takes a lot to admit that you're stuck because that's just the level you're on and you can only change that by improving your gameplay. I used to be diamond a few years back as well but I can clearly see that I play worse these days and that's why I'm not able to hit these ranks any more. Thank you for contribution to this "discussion" (which shouldn't really be one) (and not sarcastically!)! Instead of the "Trolls everywhere" "My team is always inting" "QQ T.T" threads we need more "Here is my gameplay: How can I improve?" threads.
Thanks for the hat tip! Not many people come to agree or disagree in the comments, nice to hear your opinion though.
manolis201 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2020-01-26T07:23:16.848+0000) > > There isnt a youtube, if you want replays of the games go to my profile on EUW and download them from the match history. > It obviously only keeps the last 20 games, so be quick. You'll just watch them back in the spectate mode thing on league client. > > If you go on a loss streak the game thinks you need to be a lower rank. So it decreases your LP gain and Increases your Loss. > > Once you start winning more, it then adjusts back up and you stop 'free falling'. > > Start of the season normally sees you lose a whole tier... so D3 >P3.... G2 > S2 etc etc > > Your placements will account for how much extra or less. Once you are placed though, you normally have much higher LP gain, and you are still matched with people of the same MMR as your rank. > > This means gold 2 players dropping down to silver 2, will still be playing people who were Gold 2 just like them before the reset. > Some people use this falsely to imply that they were gold now they are silver and silver is hard... therefore game imbalanced. > When actually they havent really moved its just they were all slid along a converbelt together. > Ladder reset is simply a means to give people something to climb. > > The LP gain also means you can climb with sub 50% win rate in a lot of cases. Since you can win games for 30lp, and lose only 11lp at times. Pretty hard to screw up there right? > > But yes it only stays that way until you start losing games and crushing that MMR down. > > > > Getting better???? > My advice though is stop worrying about KDA, dont duo, dont even go to op.gg. > If you want to get better its about focusing on gameplay. > > I see from op.gg you are silver, so this might not be your main account. > But my advice to anyone below diamond is generally to forget any deep strategy about the game. > > This game is just stuffed with variables, so reduce as many as you can. > > Pick 1 role you want to play. > Pick AT MOST 3 champions in that role but play them 50/30/20 or 50/50 or 100 % of the time. > These champions should be LOW SKILL REQUIREMENT champs. Think... barely any skillshots, no fancy dashes. Just good old point and click, hard to mess up champs. These force you to position well since they cannot jump out of combat, they often dont do as much damage...but it will almost always hit when you want it too. Meaning you can play with intent and not be held back by a champion with a complex kit, that doesnt do what you tell it to do. > > That means NO to nidalee, lee sin, ezreal, yasuo, thresh, aphelios, GP, elise, zed, leblanc, xerath etc > Play braindead stuff like Ashe, garen, annie, amumu, malphite, rammus, lissandra, Sona, janna, cait, > They will reward you 100x more than the fancy pro champs. > > Ever seen a 500ap xerath miss all his spells? > All that damage....on the floor, because people cant use his completely skill dependent kit. > Just be malph and press R and watch a team lose 60% of its HP. > > Once you have god like skills then sure they are fine to start picking up, but seriously you dont need any of them to get diamond. > > Make sure this champ/s can be flexed (meaning played in at last 2 roles incase you dont get your lane). > Spam ranked games > Ignore any negative chat, just mute and forget people that flame/ping. > Focus on getting as comfortable with your role as much as you can > So for example if you jungle, learn the best paths in the patch from high elo junglers. Dont copy a stream or single game, make sure you know why they do it. > Whatever you learn to do, learn to do it efficiently. Take the least damage, the fastest path, be faster and better than your opponent. > > Focus as much as you can on mechanics. Make sure all commands are natural and fluent. Learn to hold spells until the last moment. Dont panic with spells, use them with purpose. If you are blowing ults on 1 person, smiting crab before drake... and having no smite... blowing flash just because blitz is chasing you... > > You have time to think, time to check if the hook is even going to connect before you flash. > LEARN to dodge. Predict. Memorize spell cooldowns, remember what ults/summs are down. Even in an TF with 5 people, try to spot each ult/hook/flash and know when things are spent. > > Read ALL data available on the screen. > Mana bar... > Player level > Learn to read spell animations, because then you know where they are aiming, what they are casting etc and you can dodge it appropriately. > Champs normally face the direction they are casting in (Thresh hook does not!!) so you have extra time to sidestep. > > > But 90% of getting diamond is just mechanics. Noone really does any good macro in plat gold etc > And since strong mechanics are very important for higher level games, why not get good at them now? > > There are people in challenger who say they have bad mechanics. > What they mean is... "PERKZ IS WAY BETTER THAN ME" > > They all dodge, flash, aim VERY well without much thinking. > They just read the screen and know whats coming before they other player even casts. > Once you are inside peoples heads, and know what they are going to do... you can start outsmarting them. 1. My Champions Exactly i do those things i know how to dodge very well just my champ pool as i see is not great for one trick pony in lower elo and climbing more with it. I Main Ahri probably a good pick i like the champ alot. Zed is my 2nd main and as you said he is a nono cause very risky to play true i have noticed that when i had stopped playing Zed i reached gold so.... Sad Yasuo not gonna even comment yasuo is not safe at all to play you dash a little bit more than you should and the tower destroys you. I started Neeko mid which isnt bad to be honest very good winrate with her 86% so far. Janna ye i play her she is a good pick. I play yuumi which is ..... really weak pick currently. And should i start sona actually?XDD i mean i beleve i have the skill like get the elctrocute runes and i guess itemize accordingly?? And finally tell me the most important questions that i always had Should i even Look for runes on any build sites? or take the default items that they show? 2.Builds/Summoner Spells Like my problem is i dont know when to change items rather than the core thats my main problem that i beleve is holding me down from reaching even platinum. Or summoner spells like do i go the summoner spells vs the whole enemy team or just who i vs with on mid lets say these things always confuse me and i need someone who can explain them but no one in low elo can sadly i hope you can because you are diamond. 3.Runes And what about runes,now that i saw you play with electrocute it confused me so much to my climbing i keep thinking this guy suddenly plays with electrocute why cant i do that too on the champs i main take something diffrent than a proguides site reccomends? And also runes are situational based on every enemy again or just the enemy you are vs? 4.Ability Orders Lastly the ability order i noticed i guess maybe its the same with Runes when i was playing Zed i was Maxing E not Q like everyone so i was outsmarting the enemies,but lets say if i go max E vs vladimir that obviously wont work that well you need the Q just an example here.So i guess i should continue doing that.
Ahri is a good champ maybe when you get plat? Same with Ori. I would definitely pick one of these up as a mid laner once you feel big improvements in your fundamentals, since they are so relevant in almost every solo Q meta. In the meantime , i would play Annie/Liss... anything which just hits for free when you need it. Focus on trades, wave management, and map awareness. Not skill shots and setting up weird intricate multi spell combos. QWERQWERQWER and win. Yuumi is sort of OP with the right champ, but... stick to mid if you can. I mained support for 6 years and my CS sucks. Mid laners learn a lot more about waves and CS than supports, which is a huge gap in my knowledge. Mid laners can transition to support far easier than the other way around. Support does have benefits... since it teaches you to get the most out of a champ who has nothing more than a 3 level disadvantage, and just boots and 50ap. I mean i can kill people with half their stats just with mechanics. And thats because i mained support and have had to fight at massive imbalances since forever. Dont just copy playing Sona unless you seriously want to play her. I just happen to love her kit, since it covers healing damage and speed. But she is very gold dependent and in many ways a poor vision controller since she cannot scout/clear safely. Also i am a one trick and i have very unorthodox runes/builds. My high elo games i actually play sona tank. IBG athenes, mercs, frozen heart, visage etc And the sonamains discord think my build (which clearly works) is complete crazy nonsense. >Should i even Look for runes on any build sites? Use probuilds.com as a guide, obviously use recent matches not old ones obviously. But modify runes/builds to make them work for you. Every matchup is different so understand what items need to be bought depending not just on the matchup but how the game is progressing. Rushing zhonyas VS zed is a waste when he goes 0/5, and the Diana jungle is 9/0 and is in no hurry to wait out your zhonya which doesnt really stop her killing you. Building dynamically should be a natural part of your gameplay process. I almost never build the same items twice, even at 10 mins i will change my item plan, because we are ahead... or theres a fed assassin... or i need more healing etc Build with the flow of the game, and understand the most efficient item. Dont just take popular picks, think what will ACTUALLY be best? This is a game about problem solving, and most items counter some form of advantage. Just think about what works best vs what champ. Plan every popular matchup and think what items WORK on your champ. Abyssal is OP on malph/mao because he does melee range damage. But abyssal is dumb on xerath who is 1200 units away. Read item descriptions, look up how stats work, try to understand the different types of damage, even the how the maths of the game works. There are CLEAR optimal choices to be made, and it certainly takes time and discovery to find hidden OP combinations. Frozen heart/liandrys hidden work together for example, since the attack speed reduction counts as a slow to buff liandrys damage. So you dont have to get rylais to maximise the effect. There are LOTS of weird interactions with abilities and items, some still undiscovered no doubt. >Or summoner spells like do i go the summoner spells vs the whole enemy team Depends what your goal is. Your summs should make sense though. If you want to farm every wave or cover the map, TP is good. Exh can counter Zed/Xin/Jax/Irelia/riven... anyone who does high all in burst trades Barrier can block/bait a finishing spell and it has low cooldown. HOWEVER it is actually not as good as HEAL vs ignite. Ignite obviously is to secure kills, if you are planning on killing your lane opponent over and over. But it sucks late game in teamfights. Heal is good vs ignite, but its impossible to know really when people will definitely ignite, for now is ADC essential. >And what about runes,now that i saw you play with electrocute it confused me so much Like i said, im a one trick. I use electocute because it makes me stronger in lane, i can do burst that will 40% most people using that rune. It doesnt require stacks like dark harvest, in order to be relevant. And it scales well with AP, so for me i like it. Most other sona players use dark harvest now, but i dont like stacking it, and i hate the fact that AP scaling is awful. At low Elo most players are so bad they will give you free stacks. So I used DH in this climb series early on, until the players started denying me free poke. Then i changed back to Electro because im not risking death for 1 stack of DH. Runes can be situational sure. If im against leona i will switch cut down for tenacity. Tenacity stacks multiplicitively, meaning 35% from mercs and 35% from rune doesnt give 70%, it gives 52%. But that means a 2.5 sec stun is only 1.2 sec and that means i live a lot more vs hard CC all ins. >4.Ability Orders This is all down to champion and matchup knowledge. Some lanes with Sona im 2pt Q 5pt W if im getting poked i need heals, not damage. Keeping my bad adcs alive is really important for stopping enemy ADC getting free gold. Sometimes i even take E level 3, because risk of early ganks are higher, or the enemy is hook based and i need to run away when they chase me/adc. Just learn what is objectively better, and do not autopilot any build/runepage/skill choice Play in the moment
Croffins (EUW)
: Ok so, 1.5%, this is the percentage of players in diamond, now, you're not demonstrating that league ranked ladder is skillbase, nor you're demonstrating that it's hard to find smurfs, you're demonstrating that it's hard to find smurfs that come from the 1.5% percent of the league population into bronze, which is pretty obvious since they can be anywhere else in the ladder, not all diamonds smurf, so it's not even 1.5%, maybe it is 0.2% idk random numbers here, but they could be EVERYWHERE and you're trying to find em in a BRONZE? Also you stomping bronzes DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING, if not that you play better than a bronze, and this should be obvious if you're diamond. A game in league of legends can be heavily affected by a single player, only when he is so much better than the average that he can solo carry, and that's what you're doing. In every "balanced" game the outcome will depend on the whole team, and on the picks, sure the better you play the better the result, but you're not guaranteed to get rewarded for your efforts. CAN WE STOP THE BS?????? Guys everyone of you thinks that balls are round, but here i have the proof of the opposite, i pierced this ball and now it's flat. This is more or less your "bronze climb 100 games", what are you even trying to achieve? I hope this will be my last message to you, my time is not worth it.
> you're not demonstrating that league ranked ladder is skillbase Not sure where you are going with this? Are you saying league ranks are inaccurate at determining skill? >nor you're demonstrating that it's hard to find smurfs This is a 10 year old game and most ranked players have 2/3 accounts by now But smurfs are not guaranteed loss games, when playing ranked you can point out that someone is smurfing and decide to slow them down so they cannot get big and carry. Not all smurfs can carry also, it really depends on their skill differential. I cant always super carry plat games. Maybe 1/5?? but in silver i can super carry 9/10. And if 1.5% of players are like me, and only a fraction are on smurf accounts in low elo... then im sorry that doesnt create much of a problem for bronze and silver people. Also smurfs spend FAR less time in the lowest ranks. I placed bronze 2 and im now silver 2 playing vs gold 4 players. And that took less than 20 games. >Also you stomping bronzes DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING Well if you are a hardstuck bronze player, and you have convinced yourself that bronze is just impossible to beat because of some factor which is 'uncontrollable'... then i think i prove that idea wrong. Which was my whole point if you read both of my Misconception posts. I set out to prove that there is no rank which is Elo Hell. There is only your True Skill level, which is Elo Hell because thats where you end up and stop climbing. >if not that you play better than a bronze, and this should be obvious if you're diamond Yeah its weird how people say 'well of course you can beat bronze, you're diamond' But then they say 'my teams in bronze are so bad that its impossible to climb, i bet you couldnt log in my account and win' Which i have people directly saying to me. One person specifically said I couldnt win games bronze 4, even as a diamond player because the teams are so bad. He literally told me this after i had shown myself beating silver players at 90% win rate. The excuse was.... thats now low enough in the ladder... you arent proving that you could do that at 'MY ELO!!!' >sure the better you play the better the result, but you're not guaranteed to get rewarded for your efforts The developers and community are almost united in not rewarding invidual play in a ranked team system as it encourages stat farming and potential climbing from losing. If your team is wins, you get the LP. If your team is losing...people will stop fighting or just KS, dirty farm, spam wards try to get ALL stats as high as possible and then take minimal LP loss rather than trying to turn the game around and look for throw moments. This would be VERY unhealthy for game balance. >your "bronze climb 100 games", what are you even trying to achieve? I wrote 2 whole posts explaining EXACTLY what i want to do. I want to show that iron, bronze, silver, gold, plat are ALL climbable skill tiers. None of them are Elo Hell There is no forced 50% win myth mechanic making you lose games, and forcing you back down after a win streak Your teams/ranks do not matter You own skill and knowledge of the game is 99% responsible for your success or failure. All i am doing is showing that a new account, played by someone with diamond ability can climb ALL Elos without any inters/feeders/matchmaking system trapping them in some Elo prison for 1000 games.
: Do everyone a favour and don't post nonsense. You're the first person i have ever spoke to on league that doesn't understand what a soft reset is. If you wanna learn how it actually works just go on LoL youtube. Or when you're loading into a game u can see the ranks of players around their borders. Iron can not possibly be placed with plat and so on it's literally impossible.
Hes ignorant i have spoken/messaged with him several times, and even politely added him on my main account to try and reason with him about his concerns. He wont accept my friend request or acknowledge any of the counterpoints made against his beliefs.
HercaZ (EUNE)
: Pay to Play Raked games?
You are making more threads/posts about how imbalanced ranked is? Even when i know i have spoken to you, and you have read my posts proving skill determines your rank? Stop wasting peoples time please.
: RANKED MATCHUPS ARE LOST BEFORE THEY START. BALANCED AF RITO
Most new unranked players will end up in B1-S3 once they complete placements. If you were seriously competent at league bronze/silver is a complete non issue. Once you have even a basic grasp of mechanics you will fly out of these ranks, so work on your gameplay and stop worrying about teams. The problem is on your end i promise you.
manolis201 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=u7H6A3u9,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2020-01-24T17:26:58.881+0000) > > 1) agreed, which is why i am playing 100 games not 10. > > 2) Riot does not put you on winstreaks if this is what you are insisting? If you lose a lot of games because you tilted, you will drop MMR. Once you recover focus, you will have an advantage over the divison you dropped too, and probably recover your losses in a good streak. > Once you hit your old skill level, then things will be more difficult and you will find yourself stuck again. > > 3) Actually over half of my games started out with my teams losing. But because i have AGENCY i can roam and assist other lanes, my jg etc and put them ahead again. Also im very good at team fighting, and i would urge you to check some of my games > > 11/10/23 - 35.11 mins played on 24/01/2020 > > make an EUW account and player search me to see the replay. > Any problems doing this let me know, i might be able to just email you the replay direct. > > This was a horrible game for me, i think i was 1/6 at one point? > Xerath is a bit of a nightmare for Sona since he will just poke me out of lane non stop. > So i was REALLLY behind. And team was tilted and flaming, which you cant see sadly in replays. > > Please check how i played this game from behind. i might even do a commentary vid on this game because its a really good example of how you make a comeback and not let a team take wins from you. Im on the updated post where are the 100 games on youtube? also im not sure why but on preseason yes i was either at 50% winrate with 1400 games or 48% then 50% then 47% then 50% at gold 1 and i was gaining +11 LP but when the new season came why after provisionals i was getting only 19-17 LP while all others 30 is it because my MMR was so bad by getting 40 wins then losing another 35 games in a row? Now i started losing some games and i got +22? But ye it is about tilt too thats for sure the invisible tilt as i talked about i remember my friend tilted me and you have no idea how worse i played when the tilt was there once the tilt was off back to winning ofc. im at 59% winrate-100 rankeds and the only thing i think of is (LP,MMR,Winrate,Stats,Kdas,and also the fear of my winrate dropping. How my winrate wont drop btw you have any ideas? Dont tilt is obviously 1 thing.
There isnt a youtube, if you want replays of the games go to my profile on EUW and download them from the match history. It obviously only keeps the last 20 games, so be quick. You'll just watch them back in the spectate mode thing on league client. If you go on a loss streak the game thinks you need to be a lower rank. So it decreases your LP gain and Increases your Loss. Once you start winning more, it then adjusts back up and you stop 'free falling'. Start of the season normally sees you lose a whole tier... so D3 >P3.... G2 > S2 etc etc Your placements will account for how much extra or less. Once you are placed though, you normally have much higher LP gain, and you are still matched with people of the same MMR as your rank. This means gold 2 players dropping down to silver 2, will still be playing people who were Gold 2 just like them before the reset. Some people use this falsely to imply that they were gold now they are silver and silver is hard... therefore game imbalanced. When actually they havent really moved its just they were all slid along a converbelt together. Ladder reset is simply a means to give people something to climb. The LP gain also means you can climb with sub 50% win rate in a lot of cases. Since you can win games for 30lp, and lose only 11lp at times. Pretty hard to screw up there right? But yes it only stays that way until you start losing games and crushing that MMR down. Getting better???? My advice though is stop worrying about KDA, dont duo, dont even go to op.gg. If you want to get better its about focusing on gameplay. I see from op.gg you are silver, so this might not be your main account. But my advice to anyone below diamond is generally to forget any deep strategy about the game. This game is just stuffed with variables, so reduce as many as you can. Pick 1 role you want to play. Pick AT MOST 3 champions in that role but play them 50/30/20 or 50/50 or 100 % of the time. These champions should be LOW SKILL REQUIREMENT champs. Think... barely any skillshots, no fancy dashes. Just good old point and click, hard to mess up champs. These force you to position well since they cannot jump out of combat, they often dont do as much damage...but it will almost always hit when you want it too. Meaning you can play with intent and not be held back by a champion with a complex kit, that doesnt do what you tell it to do. That means NO to nidalee, lee sin, ezreal, yasuo, thresh, aphelios, GP, elise, zed, leblanc, xerath etc Play braindead stuff like Ashe, garen, annie, amumu, malphite, rammus, lissandra, Sona, janna, cait, They will reward you 100x more than the fancy pro champs. Ever seen a 500ap xerath miss all his spells? All that damage....on the floor, because people cant use his completely skill dependent kit. Just be malph and press R and watch a team lose 60% of its HP. Once you have god like skills then sure they are fine to start picking up, but seriously you dont need any of them to get diamond. Make sure this champ/s can be flexed (meaning played in at last 2 roles incase you dont get your lane). Spam ranked games Ignore any negative chat, just mute and forget people that flame/ping. Focus on getting as comfortable with your role as much as you can So for example if you jungle, learn the best paths in the patch from high elo junglers. Dont copy a stream or single game, make sure you know why they do it. Whatever you learn to do, learn to do it efficiently. Take the least damage, the fastest path, be faster and better than your opponent. Focus as much as you can on mechanics. Make sure all commands are natural and fluent. Learn to hold spells until the last moment. Dont panic with spells, use them with purpose. If you are blowing ults on 1 person, smiting crab before drake... and having no smite... blowing flash just because blitz is chasing you... You have time to think, time to check if the hook is even going to connect before you flash. LEARN to dodge. Predict. Memorize spell cooldowns, remember what ults/summs are down. Even in an TF with 5 people, try to spot each ult/hook/flash and know when things are spent. Read ALL data available on the screen. Mana bar... Player level Learn to read spell animations, because then you know where they are aiming, what they are casting etc and you can dodge it appropriately. Champs normally face the direction they are casting in (Thresh hook does not!!) so you have extra time to sidestep. But 90% of getting diamond is just mechanics. Noone really does any good macro in plat gold etc And since strong mechanics are very important for higher level games, why not get good at them now? There are people in challenger who say they have bad mechanics. What they mean is... "PERKZ IS WAY BETTER THAN ME" They all dodge, flash, aim VERY well without much thinking. They just read the screen and know whats coming before they other player even casts. Once you are inside peoples heads, and know what they are going to do... you can start outsmarting them.
: If you're not playing in your elo, you won't "solve" the problems of your "skill" level. I will wait till you play 100 games to see if you get 90% winrate or climb with 60+% winrate and then will make the comment. Gl hf {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
I have stated again and again and again... as players reach their skill level, their win rate decreases. In Bronze Silver i was 90% win rate. I have lost 2 games in gold, but i sort of messed one of my builds up so i put myself behind in a game my team was behind. Because my rank is still silver and im now playing gold 4 players. my win rate will start to lower, i might see 70% average in gold? Gold players are last seasons plat players who have been reset, So this is harder now than it would have been before the reset. Not totally sure yet though what will happen, ill have to see how it goes. If i really get stacked teams sure i could lose a few more. But i have explained the majority of what makes you climb is your own gameplay. Very few games are out of your hands. Sona is a scaling champ and can be pretty useless in the 1st 10 mins. If everyone is off role/off champ/tilted, vs a team thats playing mains. Sure thats gonna sting but this is RARE, which is why i say dont worry about this games, shrug them off. There are FREE games you get for the same reason, so it really does balance out. Once i get to plat, there will still be most of last seasons diamonds there, so ill be playing a lot of those dudes to climb plat... So tbh if i do decide to go 100 games for completion, i might hit 50% win at p2/p1 since the players havent all moved back up yet. Im probably looking to call quits once i hit p3, since my main account is already there from reset. It would make no sense to continue playing past that as im there already, so it would prove nothing. And i dont think this thread is really doing a great job of enlightening people as the feedback is pretty slow.
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: Good job Mate unfortuantely people love to blame other things than their own lack of capability. So nearly no one will read this Thread. And nobody will cahnge their mind.
This thread has well over 2000 vewis. And barely any engagement... yet this topic is one of the most popular on the board. The upvote/downvote is 8/8... Yet posts like - RIOT FIX THE MATCHMAKING I CANT CLIMB!!! can hit 20 upvotes.. And i think the only reason people are avoiding disagreeing here is that i have made it abundantly clear now that the only thing you need to climb is the necessary skill. Hey maybe in the background 2000 people have been convinced, and they arent going to say a thing anymore on the boards about this dead old horse of a myth. Who knows??
NiceFAIL (EUW)
: By definition more than 50% of all players will have an IQ of 100 or lower. I guess realising their own stupidity is above their IQ cap. So they have to start using insults like "autism" and other stuff. It's insane how they agree that your skill level gives you this advantage but at the same time want to keep up their mantra that skill doesn't matter, ELO is rigged ^^""""
I mean the guy can barely spell, maybe English isnt his first language. But im trying to be patient here with him because i think his brain has almost put the 2 things together at the same time. He might need a little more time for it to click i dont know...
: Misconceptions PT2 - Proof that Solo Queue is 99% skill - 100 games climbing challenge from Bronze 4
MinchSko (EUW)
: ***
LISTEN What i set out to disprove.... Is the myth that bronze....silver...gold...plat... is inescapable. There are people stuck in every Elo because - >Teams are coinflp... >Feeders every game... >I played so well but... mah teemz >Riot admits they force a 50% win... this is why i cant climb... So i have a new account, playing from the lowest Elo i can get because i want to prove that its none of the above. Infact its the players themselves who are not good at the game, and this is why they cannot climb. Is this CLEAR??
Shaebadu (EUW)
: zyra is completely broken as a support
If you are an ADC get vamp scepter and use MR +8 Dodging her root is a sidestep, stop walking backwards and start sidestepping. When she cant hit you, you will stop dying. Her Q is the only real damage, so your lifesteal from vamp will refill you. This is just a lane about positioning and baiting her E out for you to dodge it. You then have a safe window to CS or poke back. If you are support, go MR+16 and again dodge the E, but you will have to just keep your distance and protect your ADC from CC/all ins. Lane is 10 mins of keeping alive, once thats over zyra is unfed. She kinda sucks for the rest of the game in my opinion. She is only good for damage, and support zyra can be put behind very easily with lack of gold. She offers no shields or heals, she cant tank, shes just an obnoxious wall of damage in lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona Crushes All,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=pNAAy47R,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2020-01-25T14:44:22.136+0000) > > Your chances of getting smurfed on in a game, or facing boosters is low to VERY low. > And they exist in ALL Elo brackets as well, so why dont you learn how to counter funnelling? improve your gameplay and recognise that in the long run you can still easily win more games than you lose? > > Crying over losing 5/100 games to smurfs is so pointless, when most are beatable by focusing/avoiding them (i have lost a game in silver so there is hope). > > Funelling is just a strategy to win, you dont even have to blatantly pick Yi/Taric. > > TSM used to funnel gold to Reginalds TF, by freezing waves most games so he could roam and pick up 2 extra waves, infact most clued up teams will let the hypercarry get as fed as possible so they can do their job better. > > You are asking riot to effectively remove gold, since anyone successful player can get fed by team mates helping. Why should riot nerf broken champions? Why shouldn't you just learn how to deal with it? You see how stupid you look? It's not just smurfs doing this, it's also happening in high elo. The garbage you spew about you facing smurfs or booster is low to very low is also bullshit lol. Make a new account for yourself and count how many smurfs you encounter. Level yourself all the way up to 30 and play ranked and STILL see how many are smurfs (or if you're lucky) or how many are dog at the game. I, am usually blessed with the dogs in my team.
Erm.... dude this is my new account https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Report%20Sona%20Mid Im doing a 100 game climb from bronze. There is even a thread here where i am showing the progress to prove this game is not forcing 50% win rates, or giving me feeders that cannot be stopped etc Im literally smashing these dumb old myths in the face and doing it publicly so people can stop talking nonsense. Yes there are some overtuned champions. Diana, Kassadin, Aphelios, Akali... they are definitely not balanced well. The other 140 champs are all manageable so stop worrying, and get your team to ban or pick these.
Naniup (EUW)
: My point was that even if youre new at the game and have no knowledge you can get out of silver easy abusing such strat or easy champs.And that shouldnt be possible.Because skills should be the only factor to climb.
No you cant. People who use these strats effectively use them as a shortcut, if you suck at the game playing a hypercarry/support duo is going to fail hard. You dont have the decision making of where to gank, the knowledge of efficient paths, timings of other jungles, the mechanics to actually play a champion decently and carry a tf 1v5 (because you have to 1v5 in this strat) as well as what to do when it goes wrong and u get behind. I am doing a 100 game climb right now from bronze. Someone on this forum who responded to me, had copied my build, i saw the 2 games they played with my runes and items. Did they go 10/1/15? no they fed and lost both games. You cant just copy something and have it work if you dont have skill or mechanics. Dont be naive.
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