: Just stop omg.... Zoe is gonna have a bigger nerf on patch 8.4 .... just dodge her skills.. Im sure people are gonna say, "You main zoe bla bla bla". Okey! Yes I am main zoe, and thats why I tell you guys. She is powerfull but also have a big percent of weakness. Zoe is like aurelion sol, aurelion is OP but if he misses everything its over, the same for, if you stay inside the circle of stars... the same for zoe but in her case its E or Q (it depends on the player) so please just trying to see her moves, dodge the skills, look at her counters, buy stopwatch. If Zoe fails E, just go with everything on her, even if she ults, you just need to dodge her Q (if she uses it) and wait until she comes back from ult. Another thing is that If she dissapears and you dont see her going to another lane or going to base, its pretty sure she is gonna use her bubble trouble on the wall for a big range to catch you (or just getting blue ;)), so stay with the minions. Like blitz, if you stay behing the minion he wont be able to catch you. Same for Zoe's E. And for the people who say that Zoe is useless without her Q (cuz I get that on chat when I play), every champion has the ONE skill which is the most powerful, ofc if it gets removed or changed in a completed different way, they will be more weak tho. People are gonna hate and that stuff, but its okey for me. It's just my opinion.. and yeah... sry for the bad english ;) {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
> [{quoted}](name=MarcelaGamer988,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5TGBGHHm,comment-id=0026,timestamp=2018-02-14T11:49:21.601+0000) > > Just stop omg.... Zoe is gonna have a bigger nerf on patch 8.4 .... just dodge her skills.. > Im sure people are gonna say, "You main zoe bla bla bla". Okey! Yes I am main zoe, and thats why I tell you guys. She is powerfull but also have a big percent of weakness. Zoe is like aurelion sol, aurelion is OP but if he misses everything its over, the same for, if you stay inside the circle of stars... the same for zoe but in her case its E or Q (it depends on the player) so please just trying to see her moves, dodge the skills, look at her counters, buy stopwatch. If Zoe fails E, just go with everything on her, even if she ults, you just need to dodge her Q (if she uses it) and wait until she comes back from ult. Another thing is that If she dissapears and you dont see her going to another lane or going to base, its pretty sure she is gonna use her bubble trouble on the wall for a big range to catch you (or just getting blue ;)), so stay with the minions. Like blitz, if you stay behing the minion he wont be able to catch you. Same for Zoe's E. And for the people who say that Zoe is useless without her Q (cuz I get that on chat when I play), every champion has the ONE skill which is the most powerful, ofc if it gets removed or changed in a completed different way, they will be more weak tho. > > People are gonna hate and that stuff, but its okey for me. It's just my opinion.. and yeah... sry for the bad english ;) > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} You do realize people say things like that to all characters that has been broken, right? When it came to GP fresh of the rework it was "Avoid barrels" or "destroy barrels before he does, easy" Hey, remember Sion E upon his rework? The one that basicly won the lane after 2 hits with minions? Just dodge that one, huh? Or old Kassadin when he had silence and a ever stacking ult, what was it then? Play AD? Didn't help much once he got into lategame and had some wits on how to play Kassadin. There is ALWAYS some way to counter even the most broken champions, but when the champ has strenghts that surpasses most champions one slipup means you die or have to leave because all your health is gone from minimum effort. Hitting one Q should not do over 600 damage 10 minutes into the game without the bubble. You know what I do when I spend my CC in lane which is my one chance to kill or escape? I hide in the background and play it safe so they can't engage me, which is what zoe can do easily and still farm with her Q because of it's low cooldown and high damage. It is not as simple as things seem on paper. If you are a Zoe main worth his salt then nerfs should not affect your love for playing the character. I played Sion since the rework release and from better or worse I played him because he is fun to me, you had your time of her being broken. She will NEVER be balanced, so having her a little too weak is better than having a almost free win just by having her on the team.
: Zoe should never have been made
I see alot of the defending posts on Zoe is "It's how her kit was made" Well if Zed's shadow could use ult if it was out when zed ulted to play on the shadow ninja part then that would be his kit too, wouldn't it? Her entire kit is the major flaw but so many refuse to admit or even see it because that would hit a champ they like. Her kit is an issue BECAUSE IT WAS BUILDT ON NIDALEE'S OLD KIT THAT WAS AN ISSUE! WAKE UP! Remember GP on release with the uncounterable barrel damage? THAT WAS HIS KIT! They still nerf him to the ground. The designer behind Zoe clearly had good ideas on paper and has his imagination in check, but he should NOT under any situation create a champion because he is terrible at it. I mean look at this thread, it's blown up like crazy with the majority agreeing Zoe is pure bullshit and the guy who made her is more incompitent than Trump. They might aswell scrap Zoe because her kit was buildt on Nidalee which was impossible to balance and forced a rework. Because of this Zoe will be OP or just useless, but never balanced in a good place. Zoe is a mistake, they should never recycle a broken concept such as this and call it a good job. The designer flopped hard, face it. Zoe has no real future in League unless we wait a couple of years for a rework. Cut her out and put the designer back at his desk and never let him lead design another champion.
Vonyalo (EUW)
: so funny to see how people argue about one-shotting in league when the whole game design idea is all about one-shots.
> [{quoted}](name=Vonyalo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5TGBGHHm,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2018-02-12T17:48:23.193+0000) > > so funny to see how people argue about one-shotting in league when the whole game design idea is all about one-shots. The idea about oneshotting has to be done right. Zed needs to go ham and use all his abilities for a success with his ult which hourglass can save you from. Kassadin has to go in and until lategame if he makes a bad engage he is most likely dead until he get ult lvl 3 and 40% cdr. New Swain doesn't oneshot but widdles you down hard. Veigar needs his ult for success, otherwise he has to be smart or lucky with his stun. Gangplank NEED barrels. Heavy hitting oneshot champs needs their ult to achive success which has 30 seconds cooldown or more. Zoe does not need ult, it just makes it stronger. She has no CDR on her bubble and Q, which means she can overcome veigar damage with basic abilities. Thing with Veigar that his ult hits hard, but it hits hardest on low HP targets. Zoe overcomes even the highest damage of Veigar ult on FULL HEALTH TANKS! The balance was tossed out the window, they reused the flawed design from old Nidalee and made Zoe from it. All they did was create a loli fantasy some jagoffs in Riot jacks off too because I cannot see any fathomable reason why her damage is so high and CDR is so low. The "Nerfs" they put on her this upcoming patch is nothing. It's like reducing Urgot's movement speed resistance on purge by 10%, IT DOESN'T MATTER AND MAKES NO REAL DIFFERENCE! Zoe is the best evidence that the champion designers in Riot are incompitent and unfit for their job because they don't really know what they are doing, they just make some mess they think look good and doesn't care about balancing. This PBE patch "nerfs" on Zoe is nothing, it's just poking the issue hoping it will silence those that keeps calling out her flaws. If they are going to make oneshotting champions, make it so it requires something, if you have a champ who can oneshot people more safe than veigar with actually less effort because there is an ability allowing you to line your damage up removing all necessary skill then it is a horrible thing to add. Land the bubble, oneshot on none tanks. Hit without the bubble, you still won the fight even if they survive because they have no health. Zoe is the clear evidence how much riot is losing touch with their own game. They did the same thing Ubisoft did in For Honor when they made shaman. Created a character with no actual counterplay in the end because her strenghts are so great she will still deal damage in the end and oneshot carries from just the smallest hits.
: Unpopular opinion, but I think that, conceptually, Zoe is fine. Yes, she functions off the old Nidalee Q thing, but she has to throw herself at the target to get most out of her damage. The issue is that she is currently overtuned. Let's just see how she does after a lot of the unnecessary stuff is removed from her kit next patch.
> [{quoted}](name=The7thSeal,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5TGBGHHm,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-02-12T12:47:34.094+0000) > > Unpopular opinion, but I think that, conceptually, Zoe is fine. > Yes, she functions off the old Nidalee Q thing, but she has to throw herself at the target to get most out of her damage. > The issue is that she is currently overtuned. Let's just see how she does after a lot of the unnecessary stuff is removed from her kit next patch. She has an ult that takes care of going in and out safely. So that "risk" play is nothing. She is never really at a risk if she has any sign of wits. Her design in itself is a reused flaw that was previously removed. Bringing it back to fulfill some sick loli fantasies does not make it a good character to add when recycling scrapped flaws.
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Loonsteer (EUW)
: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NERF ZOE Q
Zoe is an abomination in this game from the simple reasons her core strenght is based around old Nidalee which they reworked. If they rework a champion to avoid having that oneshot in only 1 basic ability but they use the very same issue in a new champion I honestly don't see why the champ should exist or even be reliable. It is buildt around a concept they wanted to avoid and makes it even stronger than before with CC to make the "skillshot" easier to land then the entire champion is a failed creation obviously not very thought through. Zoe should never have existed, otherwise they should never have reworked Nidalee if they love the distance to damage skillshot.
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Fathands (EUW)
: What Issue?
> [{quoted}](name=Fathands,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=k3ktEeoG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-11T11:22:23.243+0000) > > What Issue? Urgot's W does 1/3 of damage firing 3 times a second. However brambled vest and thornmail's effect dealt full damage, so early game brambled vest does 15 magic damage from basic attacks, with Urgot's W that becomes 45 damage each second, making the item pure cryptonite to him because he is punished for using his key ability in his kit because of one item. With other words, early Brambled vest makes Urgot utterly useless because that item alone is more than enough to punish him for his very core design.
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Fathands (EUW)
: It's 2 am on a workday. What do you expect?
> [{quoted}](name=Fathands,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FEFQYNxI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-03T23:56:13.209+0000) > > It's 2 am on a workday. What do you expect? I played through entire yesterday with the same thing.
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: All that would make a lot of sense if Urgot wouldn't have received a litte change recently that reduces the effects of thorns to 1/3 of the usual amount when he is using his W. edit: I am currently looking for the change...might be on the PBE, but I definitely saw it somewhere. edit 2: Found it. It's coming next patch https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/2wjE4Iqs-quick-gameplay-thoughts-september-22
> [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4N0MtGdg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-02T09:52:52.976+0000) > > All that would make a lot of sense if Urgot wouldn't have received a litte change recently that reduces the effects of thorns to 1/3 of the usual amount when he is using his W. > > edit: I am currently looking for the change...might be on the PBE, but I definitely saw it somewhere. > > edit 2: Found it. It's coming next patch https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/2wjE4Iqs-quick-gameplay-thoughts-september-22 So they are reducing his damage too? Well ain't that terrific. Now he wont have any form of damage outside his legs only, not even proper damage over time his W alone used to provide.
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: Kinda ironic that your summoner icon is a yasuo icon,isn't it
> [{quoted}](name=What did i zed,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=RzFmgGG3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-07-11T10:00:00.936+0000) > > Kinda ironic that your summoner icon is a yasuo icon,isn't it Was either that or Riven. And I'll bite my own %%%% off before I have anything to do with Riven.
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: yasuo needs a nerf already
Yasuo is favoured by Riot. He can be as broken as they come but they will NEVER nerf him. If they do they do some shit that has no meaning in the game what so ever. Like the Riven "Nerf" when they removed 5 movement speed. he has as much damage as Gangplank did upon release but you know what the difference is? They kept patching gangplank little by little to balance him out, Yasuo stays the same because the worthless people at Riot loves that abomination so much they would hate to actually balance him.
kargish (EUW)
: Git gud And stop complaining because you can't beat someone
> [{quoted}](name=kargish,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=MTlA1EQL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-17T23:56:34.749+0000) > > Git gud > > And stop complaining because you can't beat someone Nice logic mate, should have gone for that when GP was newly reworked too then. Why nerf him at all when you can simply git gud?
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: Remove autofill function.
I think I prefer waiting longer than being stuck in a boring lane where most champs are just fucking boring to play. I mean who the hell wants to end up botlane unless you are the kind of guy maining that shit? I don't play league to ask Riot to give me something to play, I prefer to pick my own shit. Throw it out the window because it's just another horrible concept made from shitty designer who got lucky with one game.
: Riven counter
The problem about Riven is her insane fanbase. Her skillcap is highly over rated and whenever you ask people what makes her skilled they either say the animation cancel crap or her dashes and shit. Lets put it this way. Darius is good at killing because of how his abilities were made, Leblanc is excelent at escapes because that is what her kit includes and Kled is terrific at murdering everyone because Riot even said straight out "He is made to go ham and kill someone" which is his entire point. You are not skilled just because you use the champs and just use the shit they have. Riven is no exception. Her kit allows high damage, mobility, hard cc and survivability. The closest thing to pure skill is just dodging abilities, and you can do that with any champ by side stepping. Every time Riven has gotten a nerf or even drops the slightest bit in winrate her fanbase goes balistic about it. Then she gets another buff because some bitch boys can't handle it when their little wet fantasy has some actual counterplay instead of just Garen, Darius and Pantheon. Riven will remain on her pedistal and Riot will never try to look properly into her anymore, not aslong as this crazed pack of boxbox fans still glorify her as the most skilled based champ when all you do is basicly the same shit as Kled. Go in, halt them with CC and deal insane damage from very little.
: Bad idea
> [{quoted}](name=lord9gohan,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X9eXXLAw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-08-15T00:40:05.633+0000) > > Bad idea How is it a bad idea?
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: Kled 6.17 needs to be nerf
Kled is quite balanced as his kit forces him to only be able to kill one person in a teamfight before he lose his usefull ways in a teamfight. His passive with the mount is also a huge weakness, sure he becomes untargetable for the short time he falls off. But he lose all movement speed, he obtains attack range but does 20% less damage in basic attacks including his W and he can't use E or ult. Let us look at it this way. There are alot of champions in League that has kits where the weakness is just them being squishy or some shit like that liek Yasuo. Their kits has no direct weaknesses making them unstoppable when fed. Kled's best strenght which is his mount is his worst weakness because once he falls off his chances to survive drops dramaticly. He lose mobility, damage and his max health is reduced down to just his base HP since Skaarl is the one that health items actually affect. If they are to nerf Kled then they really need to look at all other champions in the game because if they are gonna nerf champs with a weakness balancing out their strenght then they might aswell rework 70% of all their champions.
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