SMFC (EUW)
: League is becoming way too complex for casual player
Its getting too complex for casuals yes, the problem is casuals are everywhere even in ranked.
Shiwah (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sympton,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=OTj41aKA,comment-id=000c0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-20T14:38:27.706+0000) > > howmany times do i need to say that if they troll they will get out anyway So why are you supporting a suggestion that will create more trolls? All for the sake of saving *your* account, and screw the other people. Nice agenda there.
some guy up here explained it to you already, and like him im done with you aswell. we never see eye to eye Shiwa and wont here either. later.
: >even if some people troll once they cant chat, MANY simply wouldnt. How do you know MANY wouldn't, because as I see it getting permanently banned takes some incredible toxicity, so those players are probably rather likely to be toxic through different means. >many of these ''flamers'' are try-hards and do anything to win. And you base your statement on... what? Apparently they do anything apart from not being toxic anymore, although it had been statistically shown that toxic players lose more often. Doesn't seem very try hard to me when a player knowingly lowers his chances to win.
based on playing this game since 2009 having played in silver all the way up to dia3 9 years of experience of and seeing how and why people ''flame'' i said MANY flamers are tryhards, not every. either way there isnt a downside, if they troll in the end they will get banned for that seperatly in the end anyway, yet you will ''save'' thousands of accounts and have a toxic free chat.
GG SUPPORT (EUNE)
: YOU CAN'T FLAME IF YOU HAVE NO CHAT [ SUGGESTION regard banned players ]
Agreed. even if some people troll once they cant chat, MANY simply wouldnt. many of these ''flamers'' are try-hards and do anything to win. this would bring down toxicness by a mile.
: Don't waste your time arguing here
This is quite true, often people talk complete sense but it doesnt get traction or worse, they downvote it to hell for silly reasons (or their own reasons like it would nerf their certain champ)
: Riot on soft inting vs Riot on slightly negative behaviour
LOL how did he even get away with 60 troll games but yeah better ban and blame the hundreds of people that potentially called him a d*ck
: Looking for Dutch people to play with(Normal&Flex)
Hi, morgen zou ik kunnen spelen. add cukumba Groetjes!
: Enable Summoner change before minions spawn in-game
No because then you can change your sumoner spell based on what the enemy has and counter them that way. in champ select its ok, but not once ingame
: I tested Riots ban system: HOW TO GET BANNED WITHOUT ANY FLAME
I said this about 300x myself. context should always matter, it does outside in RL aswell. AND FOR GOOD REASON.
Nutzilla (EUNE)
: no it won't be worth to lose grade/kda to try and steal 10% baron and win from that - safe play would be to just build chogath full tank and sit behind your adc during teamfights while stealing as much cs as possible.
did you read all my comments here? because then you realise my idea is not just about KDA. it would take in everything, not just kills, but also roles, towers, dragons, baron, shielding, healing, doing objectives as a team and have the win matters most, you as cho having kills only means less chance to win aswell. either way this needs a testfield i cant answer EVERYTHING on the spot here.
Sliythe (EUW)
: its selfish of you most people play ranked because they are COMPETETIVE. its an e-sport, they want to go up and measure themselves with the best and get as far as possible you either bring everything you have and try to win as much as possible because ill tell you why aswell mister, its not just your points at stake its that of 4 teammates aswell, so you better bring your A game and put the win before all else or stick to custom/normal where it matters NOTHING.
: One giant problem with a system that is based on performance is that for example once someone thinks it's lost he won't try to win anymore but try to salvage his score or whatever. He might only run around the map needlessly to place wards or something to increase his vision score. Your jungler won't try to dive into the baron pit to secure the magic steal that will turn the game in your favor because if he fails he would loose more lp than the rest of his team. Why would someone sacrifies himself to secure a win for the team anymore. Far more fights about farm than there are already. Far more flame because of killsteals. More tries to killsteal instead of giving the gold to the one that could carry your team. A nice strategy to abuse such a system is to just pick an early powerhouse stomp your lane and afterwards loose the late game without giving up your score by just going safe. How would you battle those things in a performance based system?
Nah you are only looking at KDA.. It can go by healing done, shielded, towers taken, barons, dragons, damage dealt, damage soaked as tank, KDA, and more...and in the end still make the victory/defeat count the most so IF you win you still go up in the end, so it is worth trying to steal that baron. also smiting a baron succesfully killing it could even count towards it. win/defeat counts most, all the other factors determine howmuch worth testing and finetuning.
: Ranked system socks
Said this over and over myself. its waaaay to basic judging it just by win/defeat the outcome doesnt tell the story and context whatsoever. i could be 100/0/100 do everything right, lead, kill, focus objectives, focus the right targets, get first tower do the right baron call and LOSE because of 1 or 2 if not more '' id!iots'' it isnt fair and it makes this all a grind. sure in the VERY VERY long run you go up or down but like i said this just makes it a grind and isnt fair towards certain roles like support either since they have the lowest winrate. also it would help people that have less time too play and have busy lifes, they would simply require less games to go up/down. having it judge by more than just win/defeat would be way more fair towards everyone.
: Solo Q is based MOSTLY on luck (and how much time you spend on the game)
wish i could give more than 1 upvote, Riot NEEDS to understand this.
Shiwah (EUW)
: Try talking with Tantram, then. But be warned, based on the post you keep refusing to read, he would most likely say no.
dont care, raising awareness :)
Shiwah (EUW)
: But you're not everyone. You're projecting yourself, and you are no statistical sample to base an entire system on. Meanwhile, many more players have demonstrated that if they can't talk, they will troll.
no, i seen loads of cases like me but even if its just me, its a ''flamer'' less why not just accept the request, nothing to lose.
Shiwah (EUW)
: For the umpteenth time, it changes absolutely nothing.
it helps everything. me for example i never troll, even when i had chat restrictions so if i cant talk, im not breaking any rules. its that simple. it changes everything.
Shiwah (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sympton,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ONn7TRJw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-10T11:37:53.259+0000) > > which is silly because in theory i could just not type at all, yet perma muting on request would save tons of accounts [It doesn't.](https://riot.com/2rwJ5Jg)
those are chat restrictions. im talking about a full mute.
shao25041 (EUW)
: Is this fair? You be the judge.
not a perma, but a ban should be in place. though this could all be avoided if riot would just perma mute someone. they dont even perma mute you even if you REQUEST IT. which is silly because in theory i could just not type at all, yet perma muting on request would save tons of accounts
: > [{quoted}](name=Sympton,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Gsi02GpQ,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T14:51:58.589+0000) > > Because i had this discussion loads of times, and in the end people either agree or they dont. > they rarely change their viewpoint. > So in the end its just 1 brick wall talking to the other mostly. > oh p.s they dont have to strip the winners of the game points, just return the losers theirs. > and if the punishment system is working correctly, then people can false report whatever they want. > people do on a daily basis anyway. anyway have a good day sir. I'm looking forward to play your game where flamers will have freedom to rage against everything and everyone because "in real life you defend yourself", and why not allow any backward kid to believe he is just defending himself by wishing cancer to someone who is obviously losing him the game? In your game, people will follow your rules if they wanna play. In this game, they follow RioT's. But i'm confident that in "League of Sympton" you will show them how thing should be done. Good work.
another dumb comment. i never said flame is ok and there are obvious limits.. wishing someone cancer and all that? that shit should be banned on the spot. there should be more leniency and a better understanding why and how people flame and their intent + reasons. simple.
: Yeah bring it on. I DEFINTELY want to be flamed by 4 different people in 4 different languages...
Rismosch (EUW)
: Is it just me or did Yasuo became less painful to play against? 🤔
honestly i still think hes rather OP than UP.. his whole kit and obnoxious skills and damage are absurd. no buff should be given
: >daily people install programs, without reading, its normal, also dismissing a game because of 1 thing you dont agree with? nonsense. It's a legally binding agreement. So yes, if you don't agree with it and breach it, you're subject to the conditions of said breach. You bring up a court of law then dismiss the legal agreement in a later point. Despite the fact the argument of "it's only valid if you agree with it" is irrelevant. Otherwise I could disagree with any law and suddenly be exempt to it. It's a standard you physically agree to upon creating an account. >and i think they are too harsh and league and should understand the ''return flamer'' not pardon him, but understand. And they do. This is why it takes _**multiple**_ infringements, and not just a one off game to trigger the IFS. With the exception if you use a word from the blacklist, in which case its deserved. So yeah, you get a chance or two to flame back at someone. The minute it becomes regular behaviour is the minute you get punished. >doesnt have to be if riot would compensate for all the c unts. and simply give you some points back anyway i notice that here i go again adressing 1 by 1, so i bid you a good day. Then they would have to strip the points of people who won the game. You're also asking them to create a system that can perfectly detect these games. The problem is with the vast amount of incorrect reports and accusations of people trolling, this is impossible. People would report someone for trolling in every game they lost in an attempt to get LP back. In regards to addressing points 1 by 1, that's how you have a healthy debate on a subject, I'm not sure why you're viewing it as detrimental.
Because i had this discussion loads of times, and in the end people either agree or they dont. they rarely change their viewpoint. So in the end its just 1 brick wall talking to the other mostly. oh p.s they dont have to strip the winners of the game points, just return the losers theirs. and if the punishment system is working correctly, then people can false report whatever they want. people do on a daily basis anyway. anyway have a good day sir.
: >If you got into a fight and you defended yourself you are free to go so you have a full ''pardon'' It would honestly depend on the severity of the case. The liability also lays at what extent self defense crosses into unnecessary violence. Both parties can still be charged for assault if said line is crossed. It's no where near as clear cut as you're defining it. It's also trying to compare a brick to a feather scenario wise. One is something you physically cannot ignore, one is as simple as "hey, maybe I should just mute and report this person instead of making it worse and dragging myself into a situation. >is only valid if you agree with it and how they punish. Remember the "I agree" button you push when you create an account? Do I need to explain this part further? >all in all, if rito would stop people from trolling in the first place and be harder on them, if they would return your points after a troll/c unt is banned that would already help a lot, people would have more peace with it and likely to flame less. In my experience, and for the most part, people who flame at trolls will generally flame in any less than desirable scenario they find themselves in. It's not typically a one off behaviour, and you would not get into trouble for a one off behaviour unless you used a word from the magic list. Punishments must come from _**multiple**_ games (again unless you use the magic words) where you've broken the rules. So no, it's not just flaming trolls the majority of the time. The problem also lies with report innacuraccy. Because people use reports against non trolling people just because they didn't play well. It's almost impossible to create an automated system to determine the difference, and thousands of staff would have the be employed to manually review the amount of reports, correct or not, that are submitted daily. >all they say now is ''file a ticket and swallow it all'' Because generally the ban is deserved. And if it is, then yeah they will tell you that. I'm not sure what else you want here? >yeah.. no thanks, no matter what the troll still ruined my fun, time, rank, points and i get nothing in return. Unfortunately that's life. Until humans stop being horrible people (not likely any time soon), it will happen here and in boundless other places in life. Be the change you want to be. The minute you start flaming, the troll wins. If you just ignore it and move on, they get 0 fun out of it anymore. So not only are you getting yourself into trouble, you're actively furthering the existing issue by flaming.
You think too easily, i could comment again and make a nice reply like you just did but we wont see eye to eye and i feel this discussion would drag on. but to just pick this one- ''Remember the "I agree" button you push when you create an account? Do I need to explain this part further?'' daily people install programs, without reading, its normal, also dismissing a game because of 1 thing you dont agree with? nonsense. also '' If you got into a fight and you defended yourself you are free to go so you have a full ''pardon'' It would honestly depend on the severity of the case.'' and i think they are too harsh and league and should understand the ''return flamer'' not pardon him, but understand. if i was building a sandcastle with 2 mates and the third would jump on it would you not be angry and call him a prick? now THAT is life. you cant expect everyone to just be a monk and do the ''right thing'' also '' yeah.. no thanks, no matter what the troll still ruined my fun, time, rank, points and i get nothing in return. Unfortunately that's life.'' thats life.. doesnt have to be if riot would compensate for all the c unts. and simply give you some points back anyway i notice that here i go again adressing 1 by 1, so i bid you a good day.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sympton,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Gsi02GpQ,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T12:40:01.541+0000) > > context always matters just like in RL, go to court and you will see. Context can provide "mitigating factors", but does not fully pardon a crime. So yes, it could possibly provide a "mitigating factor" with a _possibility _ of reducing your punishment, but it well never excuse it. I highlight the word possibility because a mitigating factor by no means assures lesser punishments, it's just something a judge takes into account during sentencing. They also take into account the persons behaviour history, or "contributing factors" when applying punishments, hense like Riot does with the punishment pyramid. So yes, if you want to compare it with a court of law, make sure you understand how a court of law works regarding context.
If you got into a fight and you defended yourself you are free to go so you have a full ''pardon'' Also the the ba stard that attacked you and stole something of you has to return it, aka LP none of this is done in League. and this - ''They also take into account the persons behaviour history, or "contributing factors" when applying punishments, hense like Riot does with the punishment pyramid.'' is only valid if you agree with it and how they punish. all in all, if rito would stop people from trolling in the first place and be harder on them, if they would return your points after a troll/c unt is banned that would already help a lot, people would have more peace with it and likely to flame less. all they say now is ''file a ticket and swallow it all'' yeah.. no thanks, no matter what the troll still ruined my fun, time, rank, points and i get nothing in return.
: Because context doesn't matter and is irrelevant. You broke the rules. It doesn't matter what lead you to do it. "I burned down that guys house because he destroyed my car". That's cool. It doesn't justify it. You'd both still be liable and both punished. It doesn't work any differently here. So yes, what you said matters if you broke the rules.
context always matters just like in RL, go to court and you will see.
nonamerx2 (EUNE)
: Banned for being competetive
I understand you, they dont look at context whatsoever.. Though what you said matters
: Patch 8.11. How the adc role began to change.
Great post, perfectly describes ADC's current standings and where they lack.
: Nautlius are in need of buffs.
He was one of my favorite champs to play, and yes i agree.. hes sadly not worthy to pick atm. There is a reason he doesnt get played anymore and thats because there are better picks. That doesnt make it ok, that makes it unfair to Nautilus.
Ciumegu (EUNE)
: Why are you guys so god damn sensible to insults in this game ?
You are 100% correct, though its not cool if people wish you death etc. However Riot does punish too fast for lesser ''insults''
: Hey Mada, There's actually a shared pool of "actions" - commenting, voting, and a few other actions count as these actions. You can only do so many of these actions so many times before you get limited - this is to prevent spam and abuse. While the "commenting" is a little confusing, it's basically saying "slow down on all the things!" :-P
: yeah broo :(
They ask way too much bs its true, and accounts randomly get banned for 'suspicious activity'' i dont know where the hell they pull that crap from.
: How would you implement such a system? How could it tell if someone wants to leave because the game is actively ruined by someone or because its just going bad for a while and he thinks it's a loss although the rest thinks you can come back from it. Especially when it's ranked and even you say we pls it to win and climb. Especially in a ranked ppl can't be allowed to just leave. So many games I had in which ppl wanted to ff or just leave after that because they didn't see us winning but in fact we turned it later. Your system could never tell the difference. Even today I had a game in which someone was butthurt for a while and tried ruining the game. But because it was ranked and we play those to win every single one of them, I voted no on every surrender vote and that guy came to his senses and we won in the end. If your system was implemented that would have been a loss for me. Which goes against what we want. I mean unless you give some good ideas to avoid that like may be a vote where the majority has to aggree that its game over... Oh wait that already exists.
Just make the guy that left lose atleast double amount of points for example -32
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: I would admit i don't like that either, but sometimes i have to do that myself, because some assholes have no patience to play until the end. People start whining because it's not a stomp or even while we miles ahead, but lost a single fight. I %%%%ing hate people who give up on completly winnable games, which is why i have to waste my time on keyboard being this what you hate.
I cant stand it either.. I cant stand people that give up too easily. I cant stand people that are overly nice and way to biased to a lost game. I cant stand trolls/afks I cant stand !diots that have 0 clue about teamcomps/teamwork I cant stand much it seems lol
Maluber (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sympton,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tN9AfHZu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T21:59:57.370+0000) > > Winrate is what nerfs and buffs get based upon.. and if you check out how the pro's do on him aswell right now you will see that he is falling behind hard. Yeah it is but whatever win rates sites post don't show the whole picture since they don't generally post winrates of the average player. Just plat + win rates normally.
That logic doesnt matter.. even at plat+ he should be higher than 37%. there are champs at plat+ with 50% and higher.
Smerk (EUW)
: Where did you get that winrate? He still has more than 50
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Teemo is strong as hell lol, low winrate doesn't mean weak it means the players are bad
Winrate is what nerfs and buffs get based upon.. and if you check out how the pro's do on him aswell right now you will see that he is falling behind hard.
Rioter Comments
: That is rather odd. I don't think you should be having any issues. Have you tried contacting Riot Support?
just made a ticket. he however can play with my other friend that is Plat1....
Rioter Comments
Renold (EUNE)
: why is bad lel???if youre good you climb..youre bad you dont..Simple as that.You think that if you que later youre gonna get chalenger or what?
because everyone is thrown together... high elo, low elo.. all of it. its one big clown fiesta, better to wait a few weeks so that everyone is in their rightful elo again and you can climb safely.
Hydnoras (EUW)
: I simply stated facts. I wasn't being oversensitive or anything like that at all. I don't know why you are targeting this at me. I never even said that i would report for a comment like that.
Never said that what you said was false. im saying its all sissy stuff, and that everyone is way to easily offended and cant handle any oppinion/statement/joke and so forth.
Loonsteer (EUW)
: playing your placements on reset day? bad? good? (poll)
wow 10 guys said its not a bad idea to play on the first day? are you guys delusional??
Hydnoras (EUW)
: >Also due to how the new automated banning system implemented by Riot I would have been in real danger of getting banned if the enemies would have reported me. No. The automated system doesn't punish people for no reason. The joke you made alone isn't enough to get you a punishment. However, while oversensitive people are a problem, people who crack unfunny jokes on someone else's account are also a problem. What you said can literally be translated to "corki has a bad map awareness" which is pointless and negative. If you are going to make jokes, make them about something that can't be taken as flame.
''What you said can literally be translated to "corki has a bad map awareness" which is pointless and negative. '' oh get real man jesus christ. its just like he says and you're doing the same RIGHT NOW. being oversensitive. back in the day people would just ignore it, not analyze it, not be offended, just move on. some would even laugh. I'm not saying its ok to be toxic but to report him for a semi-joke.. come on have some balls. and even if it isnt a joke, hes stating his oppinion, this world is changing into a place where you cant say sh!t anymore at this rate. if he calls him names or is constantly spamming bullcr@p then fair enough, but little stuff like this.. is litterally a joke.
Fathands (EUW)
: An audio book by the name of "City of Night: A Novel of the House War"
alright cool! but damn she sounds like a robot.. i wouldnt be able to get the immersion
: Vlad pool Nasus Q
your animation didnt totally finish yet, pause frame by frame. but what on earth are you listening to..
: Riot Girl Tristana is currently not working
ah today i played allistar and suddenly i played with a different skin even though i didnt select a other one.. i always play with ''moo cow alistar''
Yurodivi (EUNE)
: How do you play leblanc?
Right now you dont.. shes quite bad now after the ''change''
: darius needed the buff badly. he lost so much damage after fervor being gone it's not even funny.
and he was still ridiculously strong.. even worse now.
: buff draven pls idiots. draven mains suffer riot do the work :)
buff draven.. that would be as stupid as the darius buff.
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