Rioter Comments
: Hey retard ( I call you a retard because you are a slow learner, obviously. You cannot be offended by your own rules, dont forget that) You dont know how criticism works and seem to have a learningdisability cuz you still dont get. I wont judge you for beeing a retard, retard. I have answered all your questions and i dont think a retarded person like you can understand what i say. So lets skip the complicated task of giving constructive criticism and lets just summ it up to a simple short sentence that even you can understand: You are a retard with a learningdisability. ------------------------------------------------------------ How do you feel? Do you want to call me names now aswell? Did i get my point across now? I am done and those rethorical question above, you only have to answer for yourself. I remember now that you are one of the kind who is unable to accept their own mistakes. You come to the forum ask qustions and then dismiss everything people tell you. Goodbye
> [{quoted}](name=Luzifer XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-01T10:00:35.216+0000) > > Hey retard > ( I call you a retard because you are a slow learner, obviously. You cannot be offended by your own rules, dont forget that) > > You dont know how criticism works and seem to have a learningdisability cuz you still dont get. > > I wont judge you for beeing a retard, retard. > I have answered all your questions and i dont think a retarded person like you can understand what i say. > > So lets skip the complicated task of giving constructive criticism and lets just summ it up to a simple short sentence that even you can understand: > > You are a retard with a learningdisability. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > How do you feel? > Do you want to call me names now aswell? > Did i get my point across now? > > I am done and those rethorical question above, you only have to answer for yourself. > I remember now that you are one of the kind who is unable to accept their own mistakes. > You come to the forum ask qustions and then dismiss everything people tell you. > > Goodbye You know, I don't see a point in your post - ramble a bit calling me retard but don't give a reason why. If that's the thing I've done then apparently I couldn't get my point across: I fully intended to let the player learn, where I told him going to a certain position is stupid and moronic. Also I said "Morons who don't explain themselves". - Which indicated that I was talking about the bad behaviour of staying silent and just evading the questions raised. This is a very very bad behaviour and I'm actually surprised not every education/parenting/whatever friends you have, haven't already told people that not responding to questions when they are direct and neutral is the way to go to make people angry.
Sirrkas (EUW)
: When you report him, he will get his punishment, regardless of how many reports he gets. It doesn´t matter, if just you or all 9 in that match reported him. As long as your reports still have value (wich can be reduced to 0 for repeatedly reporting without reason), it will have an effect and trigger investigations.
> [{quoted}](name=Sirrkas,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T10:48:03.512+0000) > > When you report him, he will get his punishment, regardless of how many reports he gets. It doesn´t matter, if just you or all 9 in that match reported him. As long as your reports still have value (wich can be reduced to 0 for repeatedly reporting without reason), it will have an effect and trigger investigations. I don't want to see him punished - I don't have any crudge against that person. I just wish I can "quit gaming" when I meet people like him. If there was a button "let an AI continu I can't stand this person anymore and I go watch another episode of game of thrones rather than play with him" I would NEVER get angry. I would do that. I really wonder why people fail to see that: I get angry and go into full offensive mode since there's no way out to me. I *have to* continu with him, since the premades refuse to surrender, and quitting will also give me reports. I might as well flame then and get it out of me.
Joosua (EUW)
: so you think calling someone morron, because he is a morron is allowed? its not, calling someone a morron is an offense even if he is one. flaming someone bacuase he flames you isnt correct, stealing from someone who just stole something from you inst correct, killing someone who just killed your friend/wife what ever isnt right (even tho most people would understand you) when you commit a crime cuz someone else commited a crime both commited crimse and so both should get punished if you didnt report them your fault, if you did they will get their punishment
So let's say it is an offense - so is not being truthful. So the question is what is a heavier offense: To me being indirect or untruthful, where you are not stating the truth upfront is the biggest offense you can do in communication. Way more than "hurting someone's feelings".
Sirrkas (EUW)
: Then lets say it like this. No one here really cares, how you do your job as TA. The only thing the community here cares about, is how you behave ingame. You decide to call other names and to constantly blame same for something you think they did wrong? Then don´t expect them to be happy. This kind of behaviour is called toxic and it will lead to more toxic behaviour, probably towards you or at least the others will ignore and report you. As long as you can´t behave well, while playing LoL, you have to expect to get punishements. The CR is the first step. The 4th punishement will be a permaban. Now you have plenty of time to show the system and the community, that you don´t deserve a permaban. All you have to do for that is simply "Don`t be a jerk".
Still I can't see how this is toxic. I'm sorry but I don't find this toxic and I do not care what *others* think - Only about what the laws think. In public debates way more heavy offenses are called against each other. - So that is perfectly fine. If this is toxic I rather get a refund of the money I spent last week.
: >After someone says "muted reported" I don't want to play anymore. Negative attitude and Defeatism, also destroying the teams morale. Report- and Punishable. >No I play this game to have a competitive challenge where I'm truly challenged and everyone does their very best. Amazing that you don't seem to see the irony in that statement: You expect others to do their best, but as soon as someone doesn't take your complaints and QQ, you immediately refuse to do so yourself. >So how do I state this according to you? This is simply a honest question There is no problem with this question. The problem is in how you **followed **it: _easy ganks here, but you keep going on the hard to kill mid lan morons who don't explain themself ok then I cknow you won't help and we can just surrender_ If you can't see the toxicity here, then I guarantee you, that 10game Chat restriction won't be your last. >So then he died during both his 3rd and 4th attempt... ...blablabla, he did this, he did that. **IRRELEVANT!** Nothing gives you the right to call anyone a moron. >I do not see how this is anything other than normal language. This is something I would say in real life just as easily, completely neutral. I highly doubt that you casually call people "morons" without the protection of internet anonymity. >"I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here to make sure you pass. Most will fail, between you and both your neighbours only one person will succeed this course. unless you have a constant attention and focus you might as well leave now - the door is there". Had a professor in analytical chemistry who told us that. My reaction: _"With all due respect sir, go and join the united states marine corps, maybe someone is interested in your statements there"_ before I left his class. Did the test on all three analytical courses with full scores in someone elses class. No one likes self-righteous, couch-seat-tough, wannabe-drill-instructors.
> [{quoted}](name=franticFurball,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T09:51:43.840+0000) > > Negative attitude and Defeatism, also destroying the teams morale. Report- and Punishable. > > Amazing that you don't seem to see the irony in that statement: You expect others to do their best, but as soon as someone doesn't take your complaints and QQ, you immediately refuse to do so yourself. > > There is no problem with this question. The problem is in how you **followed **it: > > _easy ganks here, but you keep going on the hard to kill mid lan > morons who don't explain themself > ok > then I cknow you won't help > and we can just surrender_ > > If you can't see the toxicity here, then I guarantee you, that 10game Chat restriction won't be your last. Well here you have to see the other chat - he simply said he didn't care about my advice. How do I not have the right to call him a moron for that? (Apparently he cared since he reported, he just didn't care about anything positive). > ...blablabla, he did this, he did that. **IRRELEVANT!** Nothing gives you the right to call anyone a moron. > > I highly doubt that you casually call people "morons" without the protection of internet anonymity. Why not? And yes I've called people morons quite often in project groups - never ever have I been criticised about that though. I always get the same critical points in review: "possitive: hard working, spending more time than anyone else. negative: perfectionist, don't accept work that's good enough". When someone makes a freshmen's mistake in the final year of studies you have every right to call him a moron - heck I've seen this even as a remark on my examn when the prof said before the examn that we should take care of the correct orientation of the axis system. - If we wouldn't we would just fail the examn without him checking further. > Had a professor in analytical chemistry who told us that. My reaction: _"With all due respect sir, go and join the united states marine corps, maybe someone is interested in your statements there"_ before I left his class. Did the test on all three analytical courses with full scores in someone elses class. > > No one likes self-righteous, couch-seat-tough, wannabe-drill-instructors. Funny, since I tend to get the highest reviews of all TA's.. (Maybe that's also due to my tendency to not accept any bad explanation from myself, often taking multiple skype sessions with my students to explain things on a personal level outside of the regular hours).
: > [{quoted}](name=res1ess,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-03-01T09:20:40.392+0000) > > Did you completelly ignore the part where I said I did this due to him constantly ignoring GOOD advice? I don't see how this is in any way proportionate I called him moron - sure - but that wasn't even because his gaming style. It was due to him saying he mute me after giving perfectly friendly and well written advice. > > So once again: how is a chat restriction in any proportion to this offense? Especially considering I actually tried to be helpful in the most clean way. Yes, i didnt bother to the irrelevant stuff you were talking about. Let me break it to you: Did you break the rules? Yes. Is it ok to punish rulebreakers? Yes Do i like it when my teammates do stupid shit? No Are teammates who dont follow my advise breaking the rules? No Finally, i doubt you are a leader person, you dont have the social skills it takes. In France leaders like you caused the french revolution and got their head chopped off xD From another post of mine a few tips and tricks about constructive criticism: ----------------------------------------- "In stressfull situations, your team looses... everybody is under pressure to win... it is very importent to keep the communication very clear, objective and polite. Them beeing angry at their own performance makes them think you are angry at their performance aswell, which you shouldnt be. This results in a passive agressive feedback loop we all have seen in nearly every game with a rageproblem.. Something like: nice flash -> look your cs -> but you didnt ping ss --> pew what a kid --> REPORTED -> Fuck you u suc feeder -> AFK -> Lost game Sounds familiar right? So, what do i mean with: constructive - dont complain about things that cant be changed anymore, but look for things that can be changed unpersonal - dont point fingers. If u must adress a by name/role, dont tell him what he did wrong but ask him to help everyone to perfom better. (Sona start warding - bad / We need to ward more - good) polite - Dont command them, ask them. Avoid any ANY agressive formulation. The truth is, there is only so much hate in this game because many people justify hating someone by thinking the people hate them too. Its not that we are hatefull people, its that we hate haters. This reasoning is as true as it is problematic in lol. Anyhow, entering tldr zone so i keep it short: Be constructive, unpersonal and polite and you can turn around/prevent a game which would have ended in a ragefest. I agree with the verdict to punish you, as you have possibly even started the rage (unintentionally as everyone does) or at best you participated in creating the negative enviroment. In both cases you broke the summonerscode AND reduced the chances of your team (AKA YOU) winning. If people are unable to comunicate in a constructive, unpersonal and polite way. there is only little lost by muting them.. but possibly all to win. Mute them the instant that you want to reply to them ;) Good luck and i hope this helps" ------------------------------------
> constructive - dont complain about things that cant be changed anymore, but look for things that can be changed Once again: I advice him to come bot where he could easily get back into the game by farming the over extended opponent. - I hence did exactly that: not focus on his failure mid (the questions were before he even failed). Rather I focus on where he could make a change (bot was a very boring passive farm up to that point). I'm not sure where i commanded - I asked in a clean direct manner. Indirect talk is the bane of humanity though and people who do that should just stop talking as it's impossible to see when they are sincere or have ulterior motives. > unpersonal - dont point fingers. If u must adress a by name/role, dont tell him what he did wrong but ask him to help everyone to perfom better. Once again: I didn't start with any name calling until xin started to flame me. He actually started the "flame war" when he stated "mute and report janna" in all chat directly after my line : "easy ganks here, but you keep going on the hard to kill mid lan" Where "you" was aimed at the three man premade who kept tping mid together. -- You will never ever see me flaming about bad actions someone made. I don't care about those trivial things, so long as people don't repeat themselves. And with your final statement: If I mute everyone: what makes this game more fun than a game of -say- rome total war? Where I sit silently behind my computer gaming against an AI without any communication whatsoever. Rome total war gameplay is -contrary to lol- actually fun to me. I play lol BECAUSE of the communication, and I'm one who loves getting feedback, the (harsh) criticism I used to get (don't get it anymore and that makes me actually frustrated) was the reason I continued back in 2010. Criticism, in any form, is the best thing there is. Harsh criticism just makes you want to prove the other wrong. If you would be able to check my other logs, I'm also the person who after stating someone makes mistakes comments the person when doesn't make the mistake anymore. Pride is something that is alien to me.
: >I really did my best to give good advice, in a complete neutral manner. Is that what you think you did there? Well, lets take a closer look, shall we? >worst ever just braum here why engage only mid and never ever bot easy ganks here, but you keep going on the hard to kill mid lan morons who don't explain themself Your first few lines in chat are already just complaining about the jungler, with some insult ("morons") thrown in for good measure. This is not "good advice", its just QQ. >ok then I cknow you won't help and we can just surrender be my guest You follow this up with negative, defeatist attitude. Where exactly is the helpful advice here? >report me all you want but I rather be banned than play with people like you who state "muted reported" and nothing else when given critics yes report me for stating: "if you mute me now I feed" and upholding my word first I state: "dudes really start not making such difficult ganks and use the easy route" and then xin said: "muted reported" that is LITERARY what I said idc, I rather bget banned than play for 1 more minute with people like xin especially since they act all high and mighty because xin and fiora are premade they even warn each other when game is almost over how is that not ban worthy no ori you are not read up what xin said: "muted reproted" More negative attitude and complaining. **THERE IS NOT A SINGLE LINE OF "GOOD ADVICE" HERE.** Its just more QQ, but instead of QQing about the junglers playstyle, you now QQ about his behaviour, annoying 3 people who have nothing to do with it, in the process, not to menton wasting time writing which you should spend PLAYING THE ACTUAL GAME. >the moment I just gave good advice No you were not. >no I said literary "dude xin start making easy ganks bot instead of impossible mid" how is that toxic? explain to me it is I'm actually a teacher at high education, and I don't care what others think about me, I say they suck when they suck. Students More of the same. Also, about that last line: No teacher in "high education" (its actually "HighER educationAL institution/facility, but being a teacher at "high education" I am sure you know that) does that, because if he did, students would just tell him to go bore someone else, and take an equivalent course with someone who is less annoying. >I play this game for fun, and premades is the direct opposite of fun this is a team game right? And now that you are done QQing about the jungler you start complaining about the entire team.
I find it funny; but you seem to miss the point when you state: "PLAYING THE ACTUAL GAME." - After someone says "muted reported" I don't want to play anymore. From that moment on the game to me is over. and every second is another second wasted. I don't see this game as particularly good gaming experience - for that I go play total war games. No I play this game to have a competitive challenge where I'm truly challenged and everyone does their very best. I completelly disagree with you on two points: > why engage only mid > and never ever bot So how do I state this according to you? This is simply a honest question - we were constantly under our own tower, I had pink wards in both bushes so I was really really wondering why for at least 10 minutes xin ignored bottom. I already saw the risk of his constant mid staying: he had already 2 lucky escapes there. So then he died during both his 3rd and 4th attempt at mid, and that's why I adviced him to ignore mid and come to bottom. I do not see how this is anything other than normal language. This is something I would say in real life just as easily, completely neutral. If someone doesn't take advice it means we won't get better in the game (no advice = no learning = no improvement), so at that point I state that unless we change course of action we will start falling deeper and deeper in the shit; how is that not something you say? Again I often say this in real life when I am playing hockey with my team. > students would just tell him to go bore someone else, and take an equivalent course with someone who is less annoying. Nope - I start the course (I'm actually a TA, but I am responsible for a small group) with "I'm not here to be your friend, I'm here to make sure you pass. Most will fail, between you and both your neighbours only one person will succeed this course. unless you have a constant attention and focus you might as well leave now - the door is there".
: I do remember you, grats that we are only talking about a chatrestriction this time and not about the dangers of an incomming permaban :D "How is this offensive - or ban worthy? Sure I called him moron - but isn't that normal when someone keeps making the same mistake multiple times?" You answered the first qustion yourself correctly, calling someone a moron is offensive. Offensive language is against the ToS aka its bannable. Let me answer the second question for you: Its not normal. Do you walk up to a guy in a wheelchair and call him disabled? Would that be normal or offensive? While it is true the guy is defacto disabled and the discription is true. There is no reason to point the obvious to him other than to be offensive. Stop downtalking your teammates. People have bad games, they wont play better if you offend them and tilt them. By doing so you are activly reducing your own and your teammates winchances. And all that only for your egoistic drive to formulate and blame YOUR frustration on a teammate. Soo, lets sum it up. Offensive language - check Unsportsmanlike behaviour - check Assisting enemy team - check Only one of the 3 would be needed to justify the chatrestriction.
> [{quoted}](name=Luzifer XIII,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-03-01T09:14:43.117+0000) > > I do remember you, grats that we are only talking about a chatrestriction this time and not about the dangers of an incomming permaban :D > > "How is this offensive - or ban worthy? Sure I called him moron - but isn't that normal when someone keeps making the same mistake multiple times?" > > You answered the first qustion yourself correctly, calling someone a moron is offensive. Offensive language is against the ToS aka its bannable. > > Let me answer the second question for you: > > Its not normal. Do you walk up to a guy in a wheelchair and call him disabled? Would that be normal or offensive? > While it is true the guy is defacto disabled and the discription is true. There is no reason to point the obvious to him other than to be offensive. > > Stop downtalking your teammates. People have bad games, they wont play better if you offend them and tilt them. By doing so you are activly reducing your own and your teammates winchances. > And all that only for your egoistic drive to formulate and blame YOUR frustration on a teammate. > > Soo, lets sum it up. > > Offensive language - check > Unsportsmanlike behaviour - check > Assisting enemy team - check > > Only one of the 3 would be needed to justify the chatrestriction. Did you completelly ignore the part where I said I did this due to him constantly ignoring GOOD advice? I don't see how this is in any way proportionate I called him moron - sure - but that wasn't even because his gaming style. It was due to him saying he mute me after giving perfectly friendly and well written advice. So once again: how is a chat restriction in any proportion to this offense? Especially considering I actually tried to be helpful in the most clean way.
Remian (EUNE)
: You can't call people morons, Carl. Not in LoL at least, that's a direct offense. And saying "but I rather be banned than play with people like you" is perfect fit for Negative Attitude. So you got two report points in one game. If you still don't see which rules you broke, you'd better prepare for worse punishments.
A moron is the perfect word for this. - It is meant to denote a young person (age 12-20) who does stupid things (see oxford dictionary). I used it due to someone who (A) did something not clever. (B) multiple times. and, most importantly, (C) stated he completelly ignored any advice given about this. Notice how at first I give advice in a friendly manner, which was responded by utterly offensive language. One should not only look at what a person says - but also at how others react. In this game I was really constantly harassed by the playstyle of those premades. Not by words but by the way they also constantly pinged and pinged and pinged at the start, then they started dcing etc. I completelly uphold this, considering so long as they listen and don't make the same mistake over and over again I don't care what they do during their first minute of the game.
: report me all you want but I rather be banned than play with people like you {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
So stating truth is "asking for it"? - He really ignored my plea for help and he just walks out free? Especially since from the get go he called me toxic and the "cancer of the community" - but no that's just legal due to his premade friends. But when I state how I feel about someone in a non-flaming manner I deserve restrictions?
Remian (EUNE)
: You are not the most toxic person I've seen, but >morons >but I rather be banned than play with people like you you were asking for it.
> [{quoted}](name=Remian,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=tIGb80aI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-01T08:44:01.252+0000) > > You are not the most toxic person I've seen, but > > you were asking for it. So stating truth is "asking for it"? - He really ignored my plea for help and he just walks out free?
Rioter Comments
Valthik (EUW)
: "I'm gonna play champion X 'cause i like him/her much more than many other" "I'm gonna play him/her 'cause i'm curious and i wanna try something new! "I'm gonna play him/her 'cause i saw a video with an awesome play and i wanna know more about the kit" Do i really have to keep going? There are TONS of reasons to pick a particular champ.
Which are all in my opinion inferior to the reason one should have: "I'm going to play a champion/role cause it fits the team and works against the opponents". - With this update (and the force into our throat by removal of the other methods for champion selection) this latter reason is overshadowed.
: >Counters ONLY matter in professional play They don't even matter that much there, a) because the better the player the more he knows how to play around a counter, and b) professional players aka. teamplayers can play around a counterpick: Laneswaps, supp/jungle duoroams, doublejungling, etc ^^ * There are VERY few games in professional play which are actually decided by lane-specific counterpicks...one of the few I can remember, is MaRin counterpicking (I believe it was LDGs) Darius with his Renekton and snowballing the game during 2015 worlds. * As a counter-example, during the MSI, when SKT lost against LGD in the finals, Fakers LB was counterpicked with a Morgana...but that didn't actually cost them the game, because Faker managed to play a fairly even game, even getting countered like that ^^ In my opinion, counterpicking matters most in the Plat-Diamon range, where individual lane performance is very decisive for the outcome of games. But even there its not the decisive factor.
Then how do you decide "I'm going to play champion X today"?
JQKAndrei (EUW)
: Well yeah, maybe in silver players still don't have many champions, in my games pretty much everyone has the essentials. Anyway, I don't believe what you say is that much of a problem, given how many problem this new queue already solves, I can understand a minority of players being unhappy, just deal with it, it's not such a big issue.
Well I never play ranked - but in unranked I really am always starting with the only idea "hey I pick counter opponent". I don't have "fun" playing a certain champion or certain role. I have fun when I can completelly shut down an opponent. Or when I can create a wombo combo with my team. Yet I've never seen anyone able to trade champions, I myself own all champions up to 2014 but no champions after that time yet it seems no one plays those older champions anymore. Also there's too little time to actually find a champion you both own. (See my suggestion above about being able to pick "for someone". Instead of trading you stating, hey we WILL switch before you pick a champion in the champion select; then during select you see only the other person's champions and can pick directly one of those.)
JQKAndrei (EUW)
: You can just mark "Fill" and about the spot in the queue, you can still pick a top laner or support and switch it out with your mates later.
How many people have all champions open for trading? If trading would work based on "hey I pick for you now, then you pick for me - I tell that before picking already to the client so I get to see what champions you have and can pick based on that and you can pick one of my champions". Or if you could do: "hey wanna switch positions so you're first pick" then YES this mode had no drawbacks. But until either of those two options is possible it's a big, no huge drawback.
Stell (EUNE)
: I guess riot should just unlock everything for everyone, that way there would be no butthurt people complaining about everything riot does. well, then the ones who have paid would complain. can't win this one
> [{quoted}](name=Stell,realm=EUNE,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=JhJENJs4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-14T16:04:47.399+0000) > > I guess riot should just unlock everything for everyone, that way there would be no butthurt people complaining about everything riot does. > well, then the ones who have paid would complain. > can't win this one Why not make it paid only? Just pay 80 euros and you get all champions/all content?? And have EVERYONE do that?
Fajerk (EUW)
: Still better than 3 support mains and "bot or feed" premades. Much fun too.
That's what queuedodge is for - there should be no penalty for that, and that's a better improvement which still retains the possibility of counterpicking and clever strategies/synergies.
Rioter Comments
: You may not like them specifically cause they don't fit your style of play, but the vast majority of people want them to come through. They want to que up as intended roles (With 'Fill' being an option.) These changes are a long-time coming, better buckle up and get used to it.
> [{quoted}](name=Aozora Eyes,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=7jFlcWat,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-14T16:27:01.287+0000) > > You may not like them specifically cause they don't fit your style of play, but the vast majority of people want them to come through. They want to que up as intended roles (With 'Fill' being an option.) These changes are a long-time coming, better buckle up and get used to it. No, I paid for this game, I'll be damned if I let it change in a way I perserve as bad. And can you FINALLY talk into a way that makes sense instead of just stating "it's the way it is". You know - talk about how this improves strategic choices and helps people get better team setups?
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=7jFlcWat,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-14T16:05:02.308+0000) > > You obviously didn't have a closer look at the new champ select. It's basically still draft pick, you just pick your lane before, not your champ. > > Informing yourself about new champ select would have been quicker than writing this thread about a problem that doesn't even exist ;) Did you read my post: I don't WANT to choose a lane before I go into select- I first wish to know which number I am, if I'm first to pick I pick a different role than if I'm last. Last can counterpick - while first can't. So last should be a role that's important as solo person (mid mainly). While first should be a role that has less direct interaction with the opponent (support, jungle).
Downvote, for what? for being strategic? Isn't that like saying "I want to be stupid, please let me"
: You obviously didn't have a closer look at the new champ select. It's basically still draft pick, you just pick your lane before, not your champ. Informing yourself about new champ select would have been quicker than writing this thread about a problem that doesn't even exist ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=7jFlcWat,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-14T16:05:02.308+0000) > > You obviously didn't have a closer look at the new champ select. It's basically still draft pick, you just pick your lane before, not your champ. > > Informing yourself about new champ select would have been quicker than writing this thread about a problem that doesn't even exist ;) Did you read my post: I don't WANT to choose a lane before I go into select- I first wish to know which number I am, if I'm first to pick I pick a different role than if I'm last. Last can counterpick - while first can't. So last should be a role that's important as solo person (mid mainly). While first should be a role that has less direct interaction with the opponent (support, jungle).
Rioter Comments
: You totally should've picked a support champ aswel. You could've just trolled along with it and actually have fun doing it. If I was in your situation I'd show them who the real troller is! I'd grab that lux with mejai's and show the sona support what it takes to be a real troller! Cant troll the troll!
That's so fun -.-. Sorry but I don't like that, I'd be trolling myself and I don't have fun at all. I like e-sports and I don't play this when I want to loaf around, then I have dozens of more fun games laying around I still have to complete.
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
Is there any other advice than just "suck it up", coated in a sugar of nice words?
Eveninn (EUW)
: Mornin'! First I have to tell you, "caring" about every game isn't the best way to go. While I can understand you, and when you got little time to play you want some wins, the only true way to win in a game is to have fun, and fun is not necessariely connected to that victory screen. If I play ranked, I care way too much about every game... or at least every loss, to the point where it really gets me down losing a single game. However, when I go into normals with friends, you'll see me play something like Sona or Amumu mid, one of the AD assassins I can't play at all, or just trying a champion I've never really looked into before, and just play for fun. I remember the time where I used to play normals alone, and yeah, back then I too wanted to win, it still is a nice feeling in the end, isn't it? However, flaming doesn't help. Getting upset about a game going well doesn't help. Latter will just have you feeling not as good as you should be. And flaming will risk you getting punished. I know there will be trolls at times, we all know that. And if you really only get to play 1-2 games a week, those are even more frustrating. But sadly all you can do is ignore and report them. However, for all your trouble reading through this text, I might can come up with at least something: You can add me ingame and just hit me up when you wanna Play, usually got some friends happy to join and with those I can garantie you that, while we might go a bit Off-Meta or feed a little (can happen) at times, None of us will straightout troll nor feel the need to create a negative attitude. While I usually am kinda busy, if you aren't playing that often I'll try to find time for some games. ^^
Thanks for the invite. But I've uninstalled league of legends already once again. When all the advice here is to just suck it up, and roll with it, I don't wish to do that. Time is the valuable to just waste it for me. Now I know that in about a month I'll return and I will play once again - team vs team games are the thing that always lure me back. (Team fortress is another game I used to play a lot while I still had time to devote to actual premade teams). But for now I'm back to offline play, shielded by a firewall from those who like to waste other people's time.
: You totally should've picked a support champ aswel. You could've just trolled along with it and actually have fun doing it. If I was in your situation I'd show them who the real troller is! I'd grab that lux with mejai's and show the sona support what it takes to be a real troller! Cant troll the troll!
I don't have time to troll. That means I have no real exciting game that day. I play this game to have exciting matches where I'm at the tip of my chair wondering if I would win or not. If I just want to relax and play something fun/do weird things I go skyrim and troll a bit around in that game walking and randomly killing things.
: simple.. flame all you want.. but never through the keyboard the thing in the example you gave 4 people trolling they WANT you to flame them they WANT you to show your anger and you give it to them..
Then what to do? How can I make sure I don't end up in troll teams anymore in the future? Like I said: I only have some spare time at Sunday evenings, time comes at a premium. So if I enter a game it better be fun. It's not fun when you're basically all alone and you don't have a backup from your team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7cn7FJ6k,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2015-10-05T05:35:23.654+0000) > > When someone on the enemy team went afk, trolling or DC, I NEVER say "gg wp". It would sound like mockery to me. I rather show empathy by saying "bg wp" "sorry for your afk/troll/DC". > And I hate it when enemies say "gg wp" about an afk/troll/DC in my team either. "gg wp" should not be taken so literally.. It is only good behaviour, nothing else. "GG WP" is regarded as the virtual handshake of e-sports. No matter how bad other teams goalie was, every ice-hockey player shakes hands with the opposing team. No matter what. Do not do that or do some fancy shenanigans in the shakeline and you are punished for it every time. Take Russian Ice hockey national team for example. Last years world championship tournament and they got destroyed in the finals, half of the team skipped the handshakes and BOOM, 40k penalty to the team, if I remember right.
I always report people who say "gg wp" to me when someone leaves. I feel deeply offended by their mockery. First of all I hate people who use such abbreviations. But most importantly I hate when people say things they don't mean, and just tell something based on the auto-pilot. But this is once again generic advice: I waited to the very last second and no reply was done. So I had to make a choice myself (first pick). And after I made the choice I was suddenly flamed for it. And tell me: how do you define a team who pick 4 supports and all 4 go bottom lane? Almost suicidal charging their turret?
CrySumPT (EUW)
: 1. Teambuilder is very good at choosing your team and get to know them. i almost never got a team that flamed at me even if im having a bad game. 2. Try listen to music before the game (in queue) just to get the happy mood xD 3. Even if you have a bad game or just made a call or even other player on your team made that mistake that put your team behind and the team starts the flame war just try to make them know that they are wrong by playing at your best, if you lose keep you're head up (everyone have a bad day) if you win, you just showed to the flamers and the ragers that they were wrong and maybe next time they won't flame or rage :D ps:sry for the big post xD
This is just generic advice - It's not a bad play in game. It's constantly people who are starting the game with the idea to annoy others that upsets me. Did you read my post: I was with 4 others who were premade. And upon me banning lee sin they called me retard(!) - and then I said I do not condone flaming and will quit if they keep up the flaming. Then they said they would troll and I should just quit "cause I have no friends".
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
I *don't* want non meta picks. I want just a team that works and doesn't flame. But he big reason I post is: I have been banned 5-6 times in the past for negative attitude. Now I wish to become better, but how can I stay positive when each week this happens at least once in the 4-5 games I play?
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
Finally liberated. Now up to next game: if I meet another premade team I'm going to scream and return the favour of trolling. I have all the right to troll now. EDIT: at advice of listening to music: you do know that (several studies have proven) listening to music does actually lower your attention? So it makes you react way slower. And you play/study/work worse when you listen to music? Even those who say they work better when listening actually work worse. - It's just their perception that makes them feel they work better.
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
@crysumpt: I do of course draft pick - Cause I want picks that help each other and counter the opponent. That's why I banned lee sin in the first place.
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
It's not ranked, I never play ranked. Look: if I could afk without repercussion I would do that. But right now the opponent is dancing outside our base and not even winning. SO... It... Just.. Drags... On. How am I supposed to enjoy this?
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
: I am going to flame. Flame utnill they cry about their mothers. What else can I do?
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: Riot is not allowed to give anyone's personal information to anyone except those who are authorized to ask for it (like the police). If you want to open a case against someone you'll have to go to the police station and file your report there. They'll take the nessecarry action. Asking it here or via Riot support won't have any effect.
By whom? A case against facebook has just proven differently by law. (I can post links but they are in Dutch). So it most certainly is not the case - and I still wish to get their mail address to dare riot to court then. If they keep refusing to give the name I'll make a case at the consumer relations court - which handles disputes between companies and consumers. For that I need their official registration number though which is kind of a pain to get. But as I said the police said it has no priority and I can only get justice by means of a private case.
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=res1ess,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=in4NRtZM,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-06T15:34:42.941+0000) > > Well the police actually said: "You are right, if you have this on tape it would lead to a very strong case in court. However we don't have the manpower to handle these kind of reports, so we can't do anything. It is not severe enough to get full attention, but you could make it a personal case". (or whatever you call that in english when a civilian goes against another civilian in court). So contact your lawyer and see what he tells you? If there is something to be done, he can set it in motion. You dont need Riot for that.. Riot will eventually get contacted at some point, but until they do by the authorities, i doubt they are going to give out information like that.
The problem is: I wish to first do as much as possible myself. Going to a lawyer NOW would put me behind some 500 euros. While if I can get the actual offender I don't even NEED a lawyer. I would only need a lawyer to get riot to tell me the adress. Same thing happened to facebook - and after a case taking 5 years it was shown that facebook can never hide a users IP address if there is a dispute with another user. (This case was about nude revenge porn on facebook - it got removed but facebook refused to give the real address of the offender).
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=res1ess,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=in4NRtZM,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-06T14:37:33.906+0000) > > I need it for a lawsuit - what is the number my lawyer can call then? THe police said to me already they can't take action unless I am first given an ip address. So now I'm having to call my lawyer to get the ip address formally from riot? I doubt they would give the IP adress out to a lawyer calling them.. This all sounds too weird to me :x If you go to the police, they are the ones usually setting everything in motion to get the IP adress or anything else needed... thats not something you should have to provide.. so idk man..
> [{quoted}](name=xCillion,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=in4NRtZM,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-06T14:54:54.355+0000) > > I doubt they would give the IP adress out to a lawyer calling them.. > > This all sounds too weird to me :x > > If you go to the police, they are the ones usually setting everything in motion to get the IP adress or anything else needed... thats not something you should have to provide.. so idk man.. Well the police actually said: "You are right, if you have this on tape it would lead to a very strong case in court. However we don't have the manpower to handle these kind of reports, so we can't do anything. It is not severe enough to get full attention, but you could make it a personal case". (or whatever you call that in english when a civilian goes against another civilian in court).
: If that is the case and he doesn't contradict it then we won't be able to assist indeed. Riot support might be able to take action against this player but they'll never share it with the player who reports.
I need it for a lawsuit - what is the number my lawyer can call then? THe police said to me already they can't take action unless I am first given an ip address. So now I'm having to call my lawyer to get the ip address formally from riot?
Rioter Comments
: Can you link the post? I can try to look into it.
http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support-en/A8ETm0Ot-a-problem-with-a-name-so-cant-censor-out-the-name?show=new The problem has evolved from a generic question about the boards to an actual problem of a riot employee mistreating me.
Mafs15 (EUW)
: it might apply do chess, but will it apply to league? when i got back playing league i won like 80% or more of my lanes doesnt mean i deserve to win cus i won my lane and early game, i couldnt take objctives fast enough, bad decisions in team fights etc in most cases comebacks are deserverd cus the other team as problems closing out games and thats a skill as important as any other
That is like offering a piece in chess: if you havea grand plan with it of course you're not going to stop and give up. (look at the game of the century by fischer). I'm not talking about a game where you have either a "fall back late" or a much better objective control/team fight capability. I'm talking about games where you have no synergy.
Mafs15 (EUW)
: i think a team performance isnt only measured in early game, for example early-mid game comps, counters etc they will benefit early game doesnt make them better i think i know what your talking about, but i dont agree cus like closing out games is also a game aspect in wich people need to get good at... it also is taken into consideration
I play chess a lot - and then I mean a lot- just below master lvl, and one thing I learned is that it in the end doesn't make tourneys fun to have "comebacks" when you're far behind (say a full piece). It makes everything unpredictably boring.
Mafs15 (EUW)
: Lesson for alot of players
I find such a comeback to be offensive: you punish them for their lategame mistakes - simple mistakes. That is utterly offensive: the better team should win, not the team that makes less mistakes.
Puckab (EUW)
: Worst Community EVER
The community needs less flower power and more peopel who can stand a tough talk. People need to learn they suck ass they are terrible and that they can tell others also that they suck. There's nothing wrong with being direct.
Cypherous (EUW)
: Yes because getting someone to email you the code after you get it is hard :P Also i doubt many, if any innocents are punished by this, your IP can be used because it shows your location, if the locations are close its not going to result in a ban, if you play from multiple countries in less time than it would take you to travel to said countries then you're going to be having a bad day :P
> [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=slFBEUB8,discussion-id=bw248QWK,comment- > Also i doubt many, if any innocents are punished by this, your IP can be used because it shows your location, if the locations are close its not going to result in a ban, if you play from multiple countries in less time than it would take you to travel to said countries then you're going to be having a bad day :P I'm always playing from behind a proxy - always a different country..
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