: Yeah i dont pay attention to people like him but will try and follow your advice, thank you :)
What I found to work, when I was playing the game on a daily basis, was to analyze the players K/D/A's after the game. Their general kda's, over ranked games, not the KDA after that one game. If someone would have under 5 deaths per game and a high kill/assist average per game, depending on what champions he'd usually play, I'd definitely add him. It doesn't guarantee that the player is amazing, but it does kind of guarantee that he won't die too much during the game, so one less feeder.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7A5IyGL3,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2020-01-23T14:25:48.798+0000) > > Define mild things and also define once and a while. So that you know exactly how to play the system? Hell no. Don't flame. End of story.
Nah, i just honestly think he's lying. Also why do you think that I'm so malefic ? To only care about ways to flame people ? I clearly don't have a fetish in doing that, I just want a better gaming experience with less drama about things that don't matter that much.
GLurch (EUW)
: EU Boards Discord 💬
Is this the circlejerk place where you all come out of to spread propaganda and white-knight on the forums ? Kind of makes sense now
: alright so I should not get banned if thay do that?
They can barely ban people who intentionally troll games, you think they'd take the time to investigate if someone created a new account to play with his friends? You're good homie
: >Before the punish, there should be quite a consideration over how many games this player played before he got banned. It already does. In fact, the system actually looks the other way occasionally if you have a perfect record and slip up once in a while because, hey, we're human. That doesn't mean you get to do 1 game of extreme toxicity and get away with it, but if you slip up with some mild things once and a while, it won't act upon it. God knows in my years of playing I've probably been toxic in a few games here or there because I was grumpy over something, but because overall my behavior is generally positive, it didn't amount to anything. What you're requesting is already a feature of how the current system works. Unless you're asking for further leniency and which that's a whole different kettle of fish.
Define mild things and also define once and a while.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Or alternatively just don't be toxic in any of your games. If I can manage 5000+ games without flaming, without getting a chat restrict, a warning, or any kind of punishment for toxicity, then anyone can. Why would you be able to break the rules if you only break it 10% of the times? If you only rob every 10th or 100th shop you go to, is that considered legal? You could argue "Don't jail me, I'm not a criminal, I only committed crimes in 1%-10% of the time I got opportunity to, so why should I be punished?". If you break the rules, it doesn't matter if you break the rules every second game you play or every 50th game you play. You broke the rules, and you can't change that. Being nice for a while doesn't grant you access to break the rules. "I killed a person but I donated thousands of Euros to charity, so I'm not a bad person."
Oh, the jail and real life example where you have to do something physical and get jailed. Mate, we're talking about words in a chat box, in a video game, that do not influence the gameplay itself. I can't type something and magically erase your cs or gold or make you die 6 times on lane. Your comparison is astronomically different to the actual issue. I can play this game too, if you feed 10% out of your games you're a feeder. And if you win 10% of your games with Yasuo, you're very good at Yasuo.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7A5IyGL3,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2020-01-23T11:15:14.218+0000) > > Oh come on man, you are using the term "**bullying**" too harshly here. You cannot bully an anonymous person, in an online video game, while you're also anonymous. It is literally like talking on omegle without using your webcam. It's just words in the wind. Bullying only happens when there's a real threat to your physical well being, or when someone can harass you psychologically, in a continuous way without you being able to do anything to stop that. That's clearly not the case here. to be forced to stay 30-40 min with a cretin and stupid flamer its abusing and bullying and treeing to my mental state and only protection I have it's having anyone on mute, stupid people are damaging my mental state no mate if they are anonymous online or real on supermarkets, sadly they are more stupid people in world than smart people and they breed like ants. > Also, if you're putting the problem in such a large spectrum, then just make the time frame smaller. X percent out of last x games, and it would solve your imaginary problem that someone would actually invest years and years in this game just so they can flame someone.. > > So you're putting yourself first, not caring about others. Don't you think that it is kind of toxic in itself ? Just because you got mad once at a player, you want that player to suffer even if he'd been exemplary for last x years as you said ? That's the problem with your mentality. You're always putting your emotions first, instead of thinking logically. > I want to enjoy a game without people whining for 30 min for delusional reasons, its ok to be stupid it's their fault but parents fault that they decide to make an offspring , but when they are stupid and with attitude its brain damaging > I was assuming that the player is actually flaming for those 3 out of 30 games. Not blank reports. well same thing, beeign good behavior for many games do not excuse you to freak my brains in a game cuse you get a free card for good behavior > For my time playing dota I realized that players there do not troll/leave/afk/int as much as lol players. Because flaming isn't treated like such an important offense, and people don't really bother replying or caring much about flames since the players would most probably not get punished anyways. So they don't focus on the chat as much as LoL players do, they mind their business in game, not really getting pissed about what someone says, thus having a better gaming experience to be honest. Like I said ther txocity system si bulshit and stupid, they try it and fail (since toxicity got worse and worse) and instead to admit it fail and do something else they keep insist with it. I played League for 10 years and because of toxicity and more because on how stupid many player are, I can't enjoy it anymore as a multiplayer game, only way I play it it's with everybody on full mute and play like a single player game with some fancy ai around (some time worse than ai, but that's different problem)
>to be forced to stay 30-40 min with a cretin and stupid flamer its abusing and bullying and treeing to my mental state and only protection I have it's having anyone on mute, stupid people are damaging my mental state no mate if they are anonymous online or real on supermarkets, sadly they are more stupid people in world than smart people and they breed like ants. You have a mute button, you can mute that certain player, no one forces you to do anything. You just want to play the victim. >I want to enjoy a game without people whining for 30 min for delusional reasons, its ok to be stupid it's their fault but parents fault that they decide to make an offspring , but when they are stupid and with attitude its brain damaging You honestly seem to be more toxic than the players you complain about. Just look at the way you speak about others, and look at the way I, as a "toxic player" speak. >well same thing, beeign good behavior for many games do not excuse you to freak my brains in a game cuse you get a free card for good behavior Repeat after me, I have a mute button, no one can talk to me unless I want that. If someone tells me anything i can just solve the problem myself and mute that person. I also do not need to care about what they say. Why do you enjoy being the victim so much ?
: This game is completely disgusting.
>** The whole ban system is like something taken out of a communist dystopia. Almost no one uses chat anymore because you have created a ridiculous environment with your insane "banning toxic players" policy, where almost no one dares to say anything in fear of being perma banned.** Realest shizzle right here. Just got perma-banned on my main account which i had since season 1 due to flaming only. Never left/afk/inted/trolled a game in my life. > **Your shitty toxicity-ban-system doesen't work either, because people adapt to it and flame in a nasty, passive-agressive manner instead, and when you respond to it you end up getting perma-banned yourself.** Yup. It's just that people start mildly throwing the game instead of flaming nowadays. They get pissed off at you and they start refusing to help you, or sitting on their lane all game long. And guess what ? They don't get punished for that.
: Misconceptions of League, and why you are not climbing.
>If you beat the enemy, whatever you did that game, no matter how messy, worked. >Your k/d/a, CS, ward score, damage etc are irrelevant, they literally do not matter. Go duo with players that have shitty kda, shitty cs and shitty ward score, damage etc. And then duo with players that have good stats. **After that check your win rates. ** KDA was one of the main stat i was looking for in duo partners, and guess what, the only time I was constantly playing duo with individuals with good stats i got the highest on the ladder. > MYTH: RIOTS SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO FORCE PEOPLE DOWN TO A 50% WIN RATE, THIS MEANS YOU CANNOT CLIMB. THEREFORE RIOT GIVES ME BAD TEAMS TO STOP ME HAVING WIN STREAKS It isn't a myth. You can look up tyler1 complaining about this. His whole team was literally autofilled in positions that they do not main, while the enemy players got put each in his main position. LeagueOfGraphs has a system that detects what you main and other stuff like this, don't tell me that Riot does not. And don't tell me they can't use this data combined with different algorithms to set players up in winning or losing positions statistical wise. Mobalytics can even detect if a player is fatigued (playing more than 6 hours straight) or if it's his first game of the day, stuff like that. This is definitely took into consideration by Riot's matchmaking system. I can pretty much guess the outcomes of my games in 80% of the cases just by looking on different sites before my game and checking winrates and kda's.
: I'm downvoting you to oblivion.
Good for you. You seem a reasonable person.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7A5IyGL3,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2020-01-23T10:58:48.286+0000) > > That literally only happens in LoL. > > You are saying those things like toxicity doesn't already happen every single game, even with this system. > > Why pretend that everything is so disastrous when since day 1 a player encounters toxicity. It is part of the game, even if they would instantly perma band players that "are toxic" there would still be toxicity in this game. > > It is kind of hard for some people to accept the reality, and also accept that "being toxic" happens and "not being toxic at all" means that you have to be perfect as I said. It doesn't happen every single game. At least not in my games. But of course, if you are the toxic one, that will happen in eachof your games. And it's not about being perfect, it's about shutting up when you have nothing useful or nice to say and not inting. Very easy. Not even close to perfection.
Of course it doesn't happen in your games, that's a good argument. An argument from personal experience has the value of exactly 0. But yet again, i told you to look at the reality, but i guess your reality is different. >if you are the toxic one, that will happen in eachof your games. If it does, then let me get banned. My point was exactly that if it happens only in a small portion of my games, it should not be considered such a big deal. But you do not pay attention to what I say right? You're just here to white-knight, with your low level account.
Kashiro (EUNE)
: Getting reported is easier than being honored, so what? It only matters if you actually abuse chat in those report cases, not the amount of reports someone sent on you. People would want to be judged less harshly because they spent money on lol, because they played for the longest time etc. None of those posts seem to give a real answer as to why that should be, they only want to be privelaged based on their personal belief. Not controlling your emotions is only on your side. Justifying people won't make the system work better, it will just let players know they can bend the rules.
Thinking that if someone is by your definition "toxic" in let's say 5% of his games, he is an overall toxic player is just illogical. I don't understand how you cannot accept that just because you slip up and actually flame people in a small amount of your overall games does not make you toxic and punishment worthy, just like how having 5% of the deaths of your entire team, doesn't make you a feeder.
: It's a sensitive situation, they can't do what you propose. 1) playing many years many games as honorable player should not give somebody "free out of jail cards" to bully and flame others 2) when I get my mood of game ruined by a toxic player I get annoyed by his behavior so I don't care if he was honorable player for 10 years and 5000 games 3) getting reports mean nothing, all that it's important it's if you actually were toxic, only then you get punished All beeing sayid their system is compleat useless and bulshit because has no impact to toxicity amount, the toxicity just raise more and more over the years so they punish toxic players but not reduce toxicity which doesn't help me. I don't care a toxic player in a past game got permanently banned, didn't warm my soul, I care to not have toxic players in future games and beeign forced to play with everybody on mute, their system banning accounts in left and right just punish past behavior but do nothing to reduce toxicity.
>Playing many years many games as honorable player should not give somebody "free out of jail cards" to bully and flame others Oh come on man, you are using the term "**bullying**" too harshly here. You cannot bully an anonymous person, in an online video game, while you're also anonymous. It is literally like talking on omegle without using your webcam. It's just words in the wind. Bullying only happens when there's a real threat to your physical well being, or when someone can harass you psychologically, in a continuous way without you being able to do anything to stop that. That's clearly not the case here. Also, if you're putting the problem in such a large spectrum, then just make the time frame smaller. X percent out of last x games, and it would solve your imaginary problem that someone would actually invest years and years in this game just so they can flame someone.. >when I get my mood of game ruined by a toxic player I get annoyed by his behavior so I don't care if he was honorable player for 10 years and 5000 games So you're putting yourself first, not caring about others. Don't you think that it is kind of toxic in itself ? Just because you got mad once at a player, you want that player to suffer even if he'd been exemplary for last x years as you said ? That's the problem with your mentality. You're always putting your emotions first, instead of thinking logically. >getting reports mean nothing, all that it's important it's if you actually were toxic, only then you get punished I was assuming that the player is actually flaming for those 3 out of 30 games. Not blank reports. >All beeing sayid their system is compleat useless and bulshit because has no impact to toxicity amount, the toxicity just raise more and more over the years so they punish toxic players but not reduce toxicity which doesn't help me. For my time playing dota I realized that players there do not troll/leave/afk/int as much as lol players. Because flaming isn't treated like such an important offense, and people don't really bother replying or caring much about flames since the players would most probably not get punished anyways. So they don't focus on the chat as much as LoL players do, they mind their business in game, not really getting pissed about what someone says, thus having a better gaming experience to be honest.
: Being toxic in 1 game out of 10 is not OK. You have 10 players in one game, it means that on average, there would be a toxic player in every game. This is not acceptable hence why it should lead to a ban. What about considering not being toxic at all? You don't need to be a robot for that, just a little self-control. Not hard. If you can't, go play Skyrim.
That literally only happens in LoL. You are saying those things like toxicity doesn't already happen every single game, even with this system. Why pretend that everything is so disastrous when since day 1 a player encounters toxicity. It is part of the game, even if they would instantly perma band players that "are toxic" there would still be toxicity in this game. It is kind of hard for some people to accept the reality, and also accept that "being toxic" happens and "not being toxic at all" means that you have to be perfect as I said.
Rioter Comments
: But these problematic players are often players of the same skill level as you... like in my original comment there’s no way to predict how a player will play. Like I said when you loose a lot you go down in MMR, so these players will be going down in matchmaking after these games... you just had the unfortunate luck of being on their team as they went down
Buddyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Buddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. There is no "same skill level as you". That rarely ever happens. Matchmaking is not like, hey, look, 10 players around x mmr. We will now see the win rates of every single one of them and put them in 2 different teams in a balanced mode, meaning 3 players with 55% win rate and 2 players with 45% win rate in each team, making the game balanced. No bro. It is more like : Oooooooooh we have x players with high win rates that need to lose and x players with low win rates that need to win in order to fix their winrates around 50% so weactually pair them in favorable match-ups for what we need to accomplish. So they pair the ones with high winrates with low mmr/winrate players when they need to make them lose and, the ones with low winrates with high mmr/winrate players when they need to make them win. The enemy team can be altered as well in order to influence those winrates.
cephiro (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-22T12:33:14.029+0000) > > Do you really think they need to put money into resetting an account ? All you need is a script and a press of a button and that is worktime aka money or do you think that script is gonna code itself? also if someone has to manually do it its work time again aka money god rain down some brain pls
Yeah, act like there are not people already employed to do stuff related to that . Talking about using brain. Mate you probably escaped drowning with your own spit until now.
: That’s how matchmaking is supposed to work, that’s how matchmaking works in litterally everything. As you win you go up against higher skill opponents (as you should be), as you loose you go against lower skill opponents (again how it’s supposed to work)... eventually this equalises and your against opponents of your skill level giving you a 50/50 chance of winning. Your complaining about matchmaking actually working... how the %%%% do you think it should work, it automatically gives you opponents you can beat? It predicts exactly how a match will go? And talking about hit boxes being a conspiracy theory is bull when you realise riot has litterally been updating all of their old spell effects to match their hitboxes, even if it was intentional (which is highly unlikely and your ‘evidence’ is a broken link) it’s being fixed.
That's the point, it's not you being matched with higher skilled players only, it also makes you get problematic players in your team that make you lose. No one would actually have such a big problem if you'd have same skill players in your team but better opponents. What is annoying is when you feel that you're on a watch and you get bad players to force you to lose. It's easier for them to make you lose like that than to put better players in the enemy team
: No it doesn’t. The reason you end up with 50% win rate is because if your facing opponents of equal skill to you then your win rate should be around 50%... And like I said you can’t predict how a teammate will perform in your games, your ‘shitty’ teammates might be good players on an off day, and seemingly bad players might be improving or having a good game. There’s no system that can predict how badly a player will perform, which makes all of this “forced 50% match making” complete garbage, it’s just a conspiracy theory people come up with to excuse them not climbing, because they are where they belong
Someone give this guy a red pill, he's living in LaLa land
Kurotsu (EUW)
: Hello! I believe it's meant to do that to you so you lose your first several games so the game makes sure you're not a secret smurf. Especially if you said you did well in the beginning, the game just needs to figure out what your real skill level is and that'll take a few more games. So if you're meant to lose, then by all means get stomped! Your next matches will be more and more closer to what they're supposed to be. Good luck and have fun :D
I guess forum people have an explanation for everything. Too bad most of the time they sound really illogical. Like this one.
cephiro (EUW)
: why bother with your idea then, its practically the same just riot would have to put money in it without anything in return. where is the logic?
Do you really think they need to put money into resetting an account ? All you need is a script and a press of a button
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-21T21:01:40.892+0000) > > I don't see how banning the chat wouldn't solve the problem. Something similar has been tried before. In summary, players punished with permanent chat restriction would end up spreading toxicity in different ways. The ability to talk is removed, but you still want to "punish" your team mates. Essentially, permanently suspending the chat would just shift the problem to somewhere else. *** > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-21T21:01:40.892+0000) > > You stop the chat from running. The only issue with that player is gone. > The problem with the chat is that in any way you use it, you'd probably end up being toxic. Why can't the player in question not use chat by himself? You don't need someone holding your hand to control your emotions. The funny thing is Riot actually implemented something that locks your ability to use chat entirely. Obviously, because it is "opt-in", you are in control if whether your not you want it to be locked. In other words, you can just unlock it anytime you want to flame. Plenty of toxic players have been asking for this function for the longest time. I wonder why we still see suspensions for flaming. It's almost as if the very thing so many have been asking for so long doesn't actually work. *** > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-21T21:01:40.892+0000) > > The only solution that ever works is muting everyone at the beginning and not saying anything. That makes the game feel like single player to be honest. How would a permanent chat restriction be any different? Seriously, this kind of logic baffles me.
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-21T22:54:57.122+0000) > > Something similar has been tried before. In summary, players punished with permanent chat restriction would end up spreading toxicity in different ways. The ability to talk is removed, but you still want to "punish" your team mates. > Essentially, permanently suspending the chat would just shift the problem to somewhere else. You can spread toxicity in different ways without using chat anyways, I see almost every game, one dude just gets pissed of on another dude and refuses to help the team. Do you think they will ever get banned ? No. The one that gets banned is the one bothering to explain the situation to the player trolling . > Why can't the player in question not use chat by himself? You don't need someone holding your hand to control your emotions. > The funny thing is Riot actually implemented something that locks your ability to use chat entirely. Obviously, because it is "opt-in", you are in control if whether your not you want it to be locked. In other words, you can just unlock it anytime you want to flame. It's honestly impossible to control anything when you're in a 7 games losing streak caused mainly by inters and people trolling. You really think people should not do it, but every single game there's someone flaming, every single one. And if they ain't flaming, they go trolling knowing that they can't get banned that way. Hell most of the time people troll because they fight with each other, me being not involved in anything. > Plenty of toxic players have been asking for this function for the longest time. I wonder why we still see suspensions for flaming. It's almost as if the very thing so many have been asking for so long doesn't actually work. To be honest, i had such a long break from the game I didn't even know there is something like that. > How would a permanent chat restriction be any different? > Seriously, this kind of logic baffles me. A chat restriction doesn't let you say anything but you can see what other players type. When you /mute all you don't see anything.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-21T17:16:08.257+0000) > > It should be called hard-reset. And just erase everything you have on that account, make it lvl 0 with no skins and champions. Nope, that's a different thing. If Riot permanently suspends an account, the message they are sending is "We don't want you playing our game". It's not "You can start over from scratch". The problem is Riot **cannot** enforce that decision. They could implement systems, such as ID bans, that would prevent a permanently suspended **player** from ever touching League again. I'm not talking about the kind of ID bans that already exist; I'm saying banning someone based on their citizen identifier, eg Social Security Number. Instead, they suspend the **account** and hopefully the player learns his lesson or doesn't return to League. I shouldn't have to explain why ID bans (the kind I'm talking about) are a bad idea. There is no solution to enforce a permanent suspension that doesn't involve breaking player anonymity. *** > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-21T17:16:08.257+0000) > > Flaming hard ? Chat ban. Flaming hard again ? Perma chat ban. Doesn't solve the problem. Didn't solve the problem a few years ago and it surely wouldn't solve the problem now. *** > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-21T17:16:08.257+0000) > > Leave/afk ? You can play again in 1 hour. Leave/afk again ? you can play again in 1 day. You have 4-5 leaves/afk in a week? There's a thing called "Leaverbuster" that puts you on a low priority queue if you leave too many games. Also, once again, what you said doesn't solve the problem either. *** > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yERktUhY,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-21T17:16:08.257+0000) > > Inting ? It is a delicate problem, but if you get reported by 3/4 different players in more than 3 games in a 24 hour interval that you inted, we'd better believe them. So hard-reset for you. You didn't int ? Well bad luck, learn to play safe, still hard-reset. You don't see anything wrong with that idea? There's no way we, players, wouldn't abuse that system, right? We'd end up punishing genuinely bad players, or just players trying new stuff out. Why should I be "hard-reset" because I didn't play to the expectations of some bimbos?
I don't see how banning the chat wouldn't solve the problem. Most of the people I know that got banned from League, me included, got banned for flaming only. No leaving, no inting, no afk. Flaming only. You stop the chat from running. The only issue with that player is gone. The problem with the chat is that in any way you use it, you'd probably end up being toxic. The only solution that ever works is muting everyone at the beginning and not saying anything. That makes the game feel like single player to be honest. But hey, at least in this way I won't get banned cause i spammed to that adc to not go alone late game and die, and he died, and i told him how dumb he is.
mistry (EUW)
: Hard reset aka creating a new account? I don't see the difference
Well exactly. Players will create new accounts again. So why bother perma banning an account when they will just start from scratch.
Rioter Comments
Carrimi (EUW)
: The only punishment to playing badly should be loss of MMR, you're also hypocritical as he is 'criticising the criticisers' in this very post as well as in that game, making your point self-defeating.
As I said, if you wouldn't get negative feedback from anything you do bad in life, you'd think that you're doing fine. That's just how the world works, you do dumb stuff, you suffer negative feedback from the world. You put your hands on the stove, you get burned, then you don't put your hand again on the stove. If the only negative feedback you get from playing like crap is mmr loss then you might think that you're doing fine and you lost because of your other teammates. If no one talks smack to you when you're doing badly, then you won't evolve, and put the blame on others. I learned quite a lot from people flaming me, especially at first when i didn't build the correct items. People were spamming me with things like, look at your stupid build, you're a noob bla bla. Well i did get pissed off at first, but when the game ended i realized that they were right, they were just mad because i was basically one of the factors that were making them lose the game, and since then (which was what ? season 1 ?) i never really cared about anyone talking smack to me, cause if they are right then you can learn from it and if they ain't, then you shouldn't really care about it.
: Lets have a positive discussion
My best memories are from the times when the game wasn't a politically correct sh*thole and everyone would just mind their business trying to win the game and not care about the chat box at all. Fun times man, when you were actually supposed to play the game.
shellsort (EUW)
: Had to change my name because it was inappropriate apparently.
Welcome to LoL, where people are offended by everything
: Increase of 'undercover' toxicity in League
Players think this game should be a haven where they can reside and not be bombarded with any negative thoughts even if they perform badly. Truth is that you need negative impulses whenever you do something bad to be able to improve, if you're doing badly and no one says anything about you, you might live the illusion that you're doing well and it's actually someone else's fault when in reality it's your fault. The way the punishment system works in this game is utterly illogical. You should expect getting negative feedback from other people when you perform bad but not take it on a personal level and scream for them to get punished, cause they shouldn't. Even if they wish bad things to you and your family, it ain't like those things would happen, just consider them to be mentally challenged people that have no good sense of what they're talking about. Everyone implies that you should be able to cooperate and be nice to everyone, but most of the time you simply cannot offer your kindness to people who do not deserve it. Stop living into an imaginary world my friend. Stop caring about other people flaming you, focus on improving and playing at the best of your abilities. Don't you see that most of the people on those boards tell you that it is your fault ? I understand you, but in truth it's only your fault cause you care about what others have to say, and complain about that, and people that complain about that end up getting you punished as well. You're part of the problem, but you can change.
: Yeah! %%%% the system, ban everyone below challenger, because being bad is way worse than harrasing your team! That will teach all those scrubs ruining people's games by not playing up to the standards of people like OP!
You're over exaggerating. **Playing bad at a game should not make you entitled to punish everyone that tells you that you're playing bad. Playing bad should trigger something inside you that makes you want to improve.** The current state of the game basically makes you think that everything is ok and you can just troll around not caring about your teammates, and if someone says anything about you doing whatever you want in a game in which you have to cooperate you are entitled to report them and get them punished. Which is bullshit.
Mada (EUW)
: Your idea to make people focus on the game is by stopping to punish players who chat instead of playing? Alrighty then.
It makes sense honestly. If you chat instead of playing it means that you're somewhat afk`ing so you should be punished for afk`ing.
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: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:33:52.012+0000) > > Mate it's exactly the opposite, nothing has to revolve around me, i just want and option to turn off the bs and play games without thinking about flaming the sh*t out of idiots that to be honest, most of the times deserve it. > > You people on the forums always act like those scum players that int/troll/leave/afk are the victims and the flamers are the bad guys. > > Wake up, what you promote makes this game toxic. The game ain't toxic because a couple of idiots decide to intentionally lose games by themselves, it is because you and others defend them and because if you tell them how dumb they are u get punished. You can uninstall the game then.
You're a passive-aggressive beta male like the rest of the simps commenting on those forums man. Sorry for trying to invade your safe space with reason and giving you a reality check snowflake. Fck this game and this whole community of soyboys. Im done Oh by the way, make sure you report this message fast to get me banned on the forums as well, and then give yourself a cup of tea in celebration, you entitled mangina.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:33:52.012+0000) > > Mate it's exactly the opposite, nothing has to revolve around me, i just want and option to turn off the bs and play games without thinking about flaming the sh*t out of idiots that to be honest, most of the times deserve it. - They don't deserve it. - Just don't flame them.
Hahah, mate, you're a joke, you're either some kind of bot or a Riot employee.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:28:27.133+0000) > > I really wonder how you got to that point. > > So people flame, you stop their chat. They aren't able to flame anymore, but are you trying to say that verbal abuse/harassment/hate speech is still there ? How my dear human being ? Is the player spamming homophobic emotes or what the heck bro ? > > It definitely stops everything toxic related to chat. If the player then starts doing other stuff like inting/afk/leave/troll that should result in a gameplay ban. But that's another discussion. No. They are toxic. If you cut their ability to chat without them reforming, they will vent their toxicity in another form. During tests, this mostly took the form of : - Ping abuse - Int So Riot decided that since the vast majority of players that would deserve a perma chat ban would be banned for other things (the correlation was > 99%), they would directly issue bans. That's how you get there.
Naaah man, you want me to tell you the truth ? **Chat is there because it's much easier for Rito to feel like they're cleaning up what's wrong with this community.** **But they are not.** People that int/afk/leave/troll might also talk smack in the chat like 99% of the time but not the other way around. There is not a single player i know that hasn't flamed in this game. It just ain't possible. I know you wanna say that you and some other saints on these forums do it, but let's cut the bs. Flaming is waaaaay more popular than any other form of toxicity. And it doesn't mean that if you talk smack you also wanna lose the game. Believe it or not, most players in Ranked, play to win, that's what they want, then out of those ranked players there are the ones that don't care and that frustrate the ones that wanna win, so they start flaming.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:17:52.368+0000) > > Why are you not responding to my questions at all ? > > Also why are you so passive-aggressive ? Did i hit a nerve ? > > I have literally no problems with people that play the game properly / with people that are capable of rational thought. So the world has to revolve around you? Everyone has to be "normal" so you don't have to be? Sorry to break your dreams, but it does not work like that. Everyone have their little malfunctions, but when these become a problem to others, then your are not allowed there. Pretty simple actually.
Mate it's exactly the opposite, nothing has to revolve around me, i just want and option to turn off the bs and play games without thinking about flaming the sh*t out of idiots that to be honest, most of the times deserve it. You people on the forums always act like those scum players that int/troll/leave/afk are the victims and the flamers are the bad guys. Wake up, what you promote makes this game toxic. The game ain't toxic because a couple of idiots decide to intentionally lose games by themselves, it is because you and others defend them and because if you tell them how dumb they are u get punished.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:15:27.088+0000) > > Lmao mate, what if i have mental problems. Like not being able to abstain for calling out people that are dumb. What if i have some sort of rare tourettes syndrome ? Then you are not welcome on this game. > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:15:27.088+0000) > > What's so bad about giving me a solution to my problem that doesn't affect those that don't have this problem at all, yet more it benefits them ? Because enabling it for the whole population is detrimental to the game overall.
>Because enabling it for the whole population is detrimental to the game overall. Well i was asking for an option to turn it off for me and certain other players that want this option. Not to have it on disable by default. >Then you are not welcome on this game. But who are you to tell others who are welcomed and who are not in this game bruh? Is this ur game, why do you feel kind of entitled to do that ?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:16:12.777+0000) > > Why does it have to be a game ban and not a chat ban ? Because perma chat bans were tried and didn't work.
I really wonder how you got to that point. So people flame, you stop their chat. They aren't able to flame anymore, but are you trying to say that verbal abuse/harassment/hate speech is still there ? How my dear human being ? Is the player spamming homophobic emotes or what the heck bro ? It definitely stops everything toxic related to chat. If the player then starts doing other stuff like inting/afk/leave/troll that should result in a gameplay ban. But that's another discussion.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:16:12.777+0000) > > Why does it have to be a game ban and not a chat ban ? Because chat is a needed tool.
We have pings, i don't need to communicate with people that do not understand the game because it`s futile. And if i play with people that know how to play the game, I wouldn't have to tell them what to do, pings would be enough. What you're actually saying is bs. Also, if I don't int/afk/leave/troll. What's the problem ? Are you trying to say that it is better to enforce interactions with people that you ain't compatible with, rather than just let people play their game and mind their own business without having to throw themselves in all that bs ?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQpN9yET,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-02T16:15:27.088+0000) > > Lmao mate, what if i have mental problems. Like not being able to abstain for calling out people that are dumb. What if i have some sort of rare tourettes syndrome ? > > What's so bad about giving me a solution to my problem that doesn't affect those that don't have this problem at all, yet more it benefits them ? Then don't play online game where you have to interact with people?
Why are you not responding to my questions at all ? Also why are you so passive-aggressive ? Did i hit a nerve ? I have literally no problems with people that play the game properly / with people that are capable of rational thought.
: It already exists. It's called the ban.
Why does it have to be a game ban and not a chat ban ?
: Nope. Control yourself.
Lmao mate, what if i have mental problems. Like not being able to abstain for calling out people that are dumb. What if i have some sort of rare tourettes syndrome ? What's so bad about giving me a solution to my problem that doesn't affect those that don't have this problem at all, yet more it benefits them ?
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Teahyun (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Hustler,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=LMFrEuWL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-01T20:34:28.723+0000) > > oh those comments, im done with the forums as well man, same people that f*ck up games are in here as well. > > you guys have no hope. you should ignore most people that reply. Many of them barley play ranked and spam only arams and norms, or worse post on smurfs so noone can look up their profile. Or people with subhuman winrates. Nubrac situation literally showcased how stupid most people on the forums/reddit are. With nubrac we had a large amount of pros and high elo players talking about it(negativly) so there is that, but for the individual cases like this, you will have simply an army of mongoloids. Take the boards not serious.
Can you give me more details/links on that ? I haven't played in a while and i don't really know what was discussed.
: Not giving a f*ck about team comp is way more toxic than trying to win the game with a bad attitude
oh those comments, im done with the forums as well man, same people that f*ck up games are in here as well. you guys have no hope.
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KMyL (EUNE)
: Huh - that's odd.... At first - tell me what is your model of that MSI laptop. Secondary - I assume, that you have windows 10 & have the latest windows updates, right? Tell me do you have installed something like Microsoft Visual C++ and do you have the latest version (probably) 2017? If not - maybe you could install the latest 2017 version? Also do you have something like Microsoft Net. Framework & do you have the latest (probably) version 4.7.2? IF you will install these newer versions - restart computer & check in windows update are there any special updates for these programs. Or maybe you have the latest version already? Also - here ---> https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html you have site with soft from Intel to update CPU drivers - maybe you can install newer version? I assume, that you have windows 10 64 bits, so I manually found these drivers for windows 10 64 bits as "the latest" https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/97185/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3-80-GHz- version 24.20.100.6194 from 7/11/2018 Or maybe also you have the latest already? {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Pretty sure the cpu drivers are up to date, cause i used driver booster to update them. But i aint sure about the visual c++ and the .net framework, i am downloading them right now
KMyL (EUNE)
: Do you have other games with the same problem? And do you have the latest GPU drivers? It's GTX 1070, so it's typical GPU - not that "mobile" type, like MX150, so it should be powerful as fk. Maybe in Graphic settings in LoL you don't have option with "FPS frames" at "uncapped," or something? :S If you have these rpoblems & that % useage maybe somehow your Geforce not working, but instead of it SOMEHOW works your Intel® HD Graphics 630 in your i7 7700HQ? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Basically csgo and lol run below what i expected and constantly go under 120 fps which is annoying as hell. I played gta V with no problems and I also play pubg with around 80-100 fps. Frames are uncapped
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