: > [{quoted}](name=The Steve Show,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GsZsAWK8,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-15T15:51:42.727+0000) > > the moment you get out of bronze and see this game is for most an esports/climbing/winning thing ill consider taking you serious! I'm free to answering you how much i want, whatever you take me seriously or not, i don't care a s@@t. > its 5v5 and you play to win its the whole concept of the game if you play normals i dont give a shit but its foremost always have been about ranked where you try your best to see how high you can get No, just because for some players the whole concept of the game is "play what you are told" that does not mean that this is infact the whole concept of the game for everyone else. Infact, people still plays it and they happened to find strategies RioT is already going to nerf, because she did not expect them. That is: players taking advantage of a meta shift to find combos none see coming, instead than come here and protest. The totally opposite of what you think is going on. But feel free to think instead that the game is dying because some whiners left it, if that makes you feel better.
play what you are told? are you delusional? new strategies come and go but when they know its a problem they just dont hotfix it. second these strategies arent new at all yi/taric or karthus/nunu they have been a terror on the 3v3 for a long time. riot knows but just does not do anything they have enough information but lack the balls to do anything cause hey they need to change more so the game is more interresting. they test champs themselves and then on the pbe look at irelia for example and all the new reworks where every champ can do everything
: > [{quoted}](name=The Steve Show,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GsZsAWK8,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-15T12:25:56.268+0000) > > League steadily grew over time till somewhat of a cap like any other game and has been declining for a while now. > With clash they have seen a bit of a rise with some players coming back but with the latest absurd changes allot of players and streamers are quiting the game the whole problem is the game has never been more unbalanced and before you say where are the statistics to cover that they allready are moving changes to a later stage which is happening so more often atm. > They cannot keep pumping out change after change and more champions and reworks without hurting the state of the game with no more easy fixes! > If you are unable to see this simple fact then i understand why you give this simple argument of calling me dumm. > Its their unability to get that what they think is giving them breathing room is actually their downfall! > Dont get this wrong this wont happen in a month thats just stupid to think the game is too big for that but believe me when i say 20% a year of your playerbase leaving will kill this company quicker then you think By your logic players care more about winning games than playing them in the first place, so if they feel the game is unbalanced in a way that makes them lose more (because of course winning games is never a problem), they will be gone immediatly. Well, these are crybabies, not players who likes the game, and they are better gone if you ask me. Whoever likes the games and is in to play it, will keep playing it because they like playing it, and if they really feel they need to change their playstyle because of some patch, they will adapt, and end of the story. It's called "playing the game", you know. Wherein what you talking about is "crying because i can't get what the OP stuff is supposed to be, but of course my opponent already know it and is stomping me".
the moment you get out of bronze and see this game is for most an esports/climbing/winning thing ill consider taking you serious! its 5v5 and you play to win its the whole concept of the game if you play normals i dont give a shit but its foremost always have been about ranked where you try your best to see how high you can get
: What seems to be the problem, buddy?
No other way too lash out then this and the support so ive did both
: > [{quoted}](name=The Steve Show,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GsZsAWK8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-14T21:50:57.615+0000) > > there is a big difference in timeframe and state of the game itself So if tomorrow i open a "game is dead" thread, i will be automatically smarter than you because it will be one less day before the death of LoL than when you said it. Perfect sense man, you are a genius. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
League steadily grew over time till somewhat of a cap like any other game and has been declining for a while now. With clash they have seen a bit of a rise with some players coming back but with the latest absurd changes allot of players and streamers are quiting the game the whole problem is the game has never been more unbalanced and before you say where are the statistics to cover that they allready are moving changes to a later stage which is happening so more often atm. They cannot keep pumping out change after change and more champions and reworks without hurting the state of the game with no more easy fixes! If you are unable to see this simple fact then i understand why you give this simple argument of calling me dumm. Its their unability to get that what they think is giving them breathing room is actually their downfall! Dont get this wrong this wont happen in a month thats just stupid to think the game is too big for that but believe me when i say 20% a year of your playerbase leaving will kill this company quicker then you think
: We is the difference between you and all the other people who have foreseen the inevitable end of this game over the years? Why were they wrong and you are right now?
there is a big difference in timeframe and state of the game itself
Rioter Comments
: How is Riot incapable of fixing this game
Now in the last 10 games 6 leavers ive just seen enough after thinking i should try to fix this as a community my mindset has definitly changed! Im deleting league if riot wants to fix their game they should maybe after hearing good things ill come back but games are meant to be fun not just wasting time with a high percentage of people just destroying your games! Have a good one everyone im out!
: You must be joking my friend cause im starting to take you less and less serious! They have money for a pc and internet but dont have 10 dollars or euro's?! or even paying for it in an internet cafe? I expect more from a respected emissary. Maybe stop with guarding Riot and tell me what you think they could do about it!
Ok then ill take that back. I was starting to feel like talking too the riot support once again ;) But its funny let me tick another box for you. How about instead of "I'd buy that if the price was lower?" see how the world is evolving into id pay a bit more too get the good stuff! For example with foods and with hardware also or even in the clothing buisiness! It just ticks me off that people often are neey sayers and think they cannot change things on their own, like only proffesionals could have great ideas. Btw i honestly believe that you have to take a hit to grow cause allot of like you say perfectly fine people are allready starting to be fed up with how it is now so i dont think thats fair to them aswell.
Shiwah (EUW)
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You must be joking my friend cause im starting to take you less and less serious! They have money for a pc and internet but dont have 10 dollars or euro's?! or even paying for it in an internet cafe? I expect more from a respected emissary. Maybe stop with guarding Riot and tell me what you think they could do about it!
Shiwah (EUW)
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This type of thinking is exactly whats wrong you say people who are toxic get permabanned take a new account and get permabanned again so riot has got it covered. The whole issue is these players make the community toxic cause everyone has to deal with them ingame and there is litteraly no set back for them to take a new account and start this whole cycle again! They have to be influenced negatively so the way of just getting a new account is more heavy. It wont solve it a hundred procent, hell maybe not even eighty but still there will be allot of them after being banned 3 times they wont bother spending another lousy lets say 10 to 15 euro's or dollars just to get them at same starting point again. Also thinking that people cannot spent this type of money on a game most of us have spent 10 times more is just ridiculous, take in account what other games cost and how many people play them. There is another point to make here and that is people who just dont really care about the game at all start it because of that its ftp and just do whatever they want cause there is no real value they play with. I get that Riot started out with ftp cause of more people trying out and discovering league but now thats one of the most known games there is they honestly dont really need it anymore.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Its just a mindset of throwing away something that you can get for nothing again or have to spend some money to get to get it back. Ofcourse the first wave is not where it changes like you state above but its about the second that makes people think twice. Still it wont make it all go away that is just simply impossible but its about moving the numbers in a better direction then it is now. I know it maybe sounds strange to you but thats just how the brain functions.
: I have no idea how the "community" of this game could be fixed... and, I don't think Riot has either
They sure have some and have the statistics to back them up but i think the problem is they need a extremer approach to get the results and they are a bit scared cause it has big effects and always has a percentage to backfire
Gundrabis (EUW)
: This is SUCH a bad atempt at puishing trolls. First of all those "sugestions" can punish victims of trolls too. Secondly Riot doesnt care and is also unable to detect someone thats suicide farming 2 sidewaves while your team that "was" even has to 4 man farm mid with all junglecamps taken and bleeding out til the inevitable 20 min baron into the end push. There ARE actual sugestions but as with all things this has a positiv and a negativ effect: 1. You can allow people to leave games without punishment. If you are no longer trapped in a game with trolls and asshole anymore you can leave once they start to flame you. No need to flame back becasue hey, you are not in a game with them anymore. Trolls only have power as long as we are forced to play with them. This would i turn currupt the competetiv integrety of the game becasue there would be less reports and a whole lot of lp fluctuation between the teams that had an afk or not. basicly diceroll autoloose. Fortunately that means trolls that consistently make their team quit loose a ton of lp very quickly and would dissapear in the abyss of low elo. In high elo this makes wintrading a major issue and people would just prepare accounts to ensure challenger and maybe trade challenger at the end of season. But all in all toxic behavoiur could be met with actual action by the community so players would actually be meaningfully punished cause they cant climb when everyone leaves their games. 2. Re-enable the tribunal, people used to get insight in teamchat and gamesstats to figure out who was the actual troll. With the manpower that Riot doesnt have players would be able to help fight the trolls. This obviously isnt completely foolproof since people can troll in the tribunal too but always going with the minority vote will effect their influence obviously. The big risk ofc would be that easylie triggered people who are PC like riot would take over and enforce punishments that I wouldnt find reasonable (the again, no reason for tribunal if we have option 1)
To be honest these are scenarios ive allready run through my mind and they quite franckly just dont work. The first is not an option because leaving makes people who actually tried more toxic this is exactly what we try to reduce and on top of that you get people who think that they are going to lose, that are just going to leave to stay safe with their lp. The tribunal had allot of people who wherent really trolling getting penalized because people werent checking the whole picture of what happend so it was very inaccurate. Like it though that you are thinking with me to get to a solution.
Gundrabis (EUW)
: Well there is a middlegruond, i dont have to go out of my way to motivate my feeding "special kids" on my team. I can fullmute and play. But thats not the point, what if those asshole are right and you really did throw the game all by yourself and cost them the game even though they tried superhard and didnt mess up. Do you deserve a ban for that too ? Realize that they are as fed up with noobs ( rightfully or not) as you are with flaming teammates. Thats just their pent up frustration over the game resulting in flame. Maybe you should cheer those guys up too and carry them just like your cheer up people who made a bad pla ingame you could cheer up people who have a bad personality ? now if you think about it, you cant argue with trolls and cheering up noobs wont stop them from feeding. Might aswell fulmute and d nothing while they rip themselfs apart.
This is exactly the ripple effect i was talking about and maybe 1 or 2 of the 4 may think this way but sadly 1 of the other 2 wil be triggered and get toxic themselfs with the other 1 on edge. It is killing the game and the punishments arent that harsh to make people think 3 times before they starting behaving like this. Riot needs to start taking this serious and act appropiatly.
Shiwah (EUW)
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Ofcourse but its still less advertising to do so. You can never get it to zero this is more about how to make a difference. Sadly the world can never be perfect! I started this to get the discussion out there with more heads in it then just mine to solve it.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: What difference would that make though? We already know that age doesn't correlate to toxicity. Behaviour is pretty even regardless of which age group you're looking at.
that way you could get ID bans through but to be honest i think with the way the game aims for the younger players especially with the e-sports wheighing so heavily at the moment the ID bans are indeed not really an option. how do you feel about paying for an account as i talked about, the thing that comes extra is you dont have people who dont give a damn that much since it aint free.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: ID bans are also not possible without collecting personal identification. That will cause a lot of problems with privacy, especially considering the game is offered to minors.
Good comment havent thought about that so maybe that means they should ramp the minimal age a bit up.
: ID bans = less money from players, so no they will not do that. Any kind of fixing game and cleaning community means less money for them so anything that will effect their income will be thrown under the rug and ignored.
Thats where i think your wrong cause allot of players are quiting the game and are fed up so wont be spending anymore as where if the game would be more enjoyable again people would spend more. But i get your point cause i think riot is scared to take such an action because there maybe could be a repurcussion.
TaFFKiD (EUW)
: Hi im TAffkid , i think if u are playing this game with passion , u exactly now what this discussion is about . Everybody is trapped by those Players. I dont know where this discussion ends cause all of us now the feeling of frustration and our ways to behave cause everyone lose sometimes. I mean it starts when u pay attention on the skill level of yourteam mate which doesnt need to be exactly yours. Then u have 2 Options Motivate or Blame Misstakes. -The second Option helps a lot. Now im paying attention to those who tilt everybody, the real trollers who give a f* about Teammates: ITs the wrong game for you ! And riot really forces u to play with them or u get penalty for leaving even if the trollers dont surrender cause they are sadistic. Most often they also use heavy insults. I think this should be banned for over a month. (Penalty should grow!) For all other bad behaviours riot should give a ranked ban for month or more or they should be put into another rank system called maybe : Wood League of Pain - penalty league you have to play yourself out , within only leavers trollers and flamers. Pls riot do something. Greetz Marcel aka Taffkid
Im not totally on the same page with you but still we all know something needs to be done instead of all this half done solutions
Rioter Comments
: Soraka almost not possible too stop carrying a game
ofcourse there is a way of playing around her the problem i see is a team has too fullly invest in taking her down as in a comp or a fighting strategy. she is a supp but she feels more like a raidboss then a normal champ. her winrate is also one of the highest in the game so im not talking straight outt of my ass
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