: i think diana is in a good spot, she is super strong in lane after she hit her 2 items powerspike "road of ages and nashor tooth", the only champ i have a hard time with as a diana is heimer and orianna
Yes in laning she is decent yes, but my biggest focus about this was the jungler part of her. But i see where you are going. Thanks for commenting :)
: im playing her for like 3-4 years and she is op actualy she need nerf
Really depends how you look at it. But I get your point. Sometimes she is way too strong, but as said somewhere in this text wall.. It really depends on her team and so. Thanks for leaving a comment, feel free to drop this for your friends and so. The more the merrier :)
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: There's a a nice middle ground beteen "Fix Diana please rito" and the wall you made. I jsut don't like walls of text and i guess because i tend to write short i come off as an ass, not my intention, sorry about that, but: > I don't know if things are different on EUNE but on the EUW, these junglers seem to shine alot. it's not a server thing, you're just really low rank where players just don't have the map awerness to start running away when gank begins. Here's more constructive way of saying where you put too much text: > As a person who have been playing Diana for over half a year if not more. The following I wanna post about is something that has been on my mind for a long time, if not just as long as my playtime, but just recently decided after losing most hope and fun in the champion. I hope the following is something other people can agree to or atleast put time into seeing my point of, since I really want to see Diana come back again, from the dark place we call "Forgotten champions." introduction, okay. it can stay > So what I want to talk about is Diana as not only a jungler or laner, but the champion overall, she is strong yes, but she lacks alot of things, that cause her to not appeal to players anymore, and therefore is barely played as much as she used to back in the days, it seems and feels to me as if Diana is no longer what she used to be, when she was created she was strong and powerful and fitted how the game machinics and champs was back then. But with all the adjustments, reworks, new mechanics, items and overall champions both before and after Dianas release, she just doesn't seem to be "fitting in" anymore, or be able to "Live up" to the other champions, both they way they are mechanical and so on. this is just another introdution into Diana, which is obious you're gonna talk about from the first paragraph. > So my first point, and also my biggest wonder is her as a jungler, do keep in mind I am far from one of the oldest or best league players, so this might just be me stating useless points and facts. Nor was I around when Diana was first released, but saw alot of stuff from then. Also do keep in mind this is spoken from my own point of view and from how my games turns out, therefore this is seen from my perspective. it's still another introduction, more about you. We're 3 paragraphs in and still nothing specific about Diana. > While Diana can late game be a potential strong jungler, if played right that is, **she lacks a lot potential earlier in the game**, while you see many other junglers, be able to gank with pretty good results as soon as they hit level 3. Champs as Olaf, Xin Shao, Fiddlesticks, Shyvanna, Odyr, Nautilus and so on, just to name a few. What these have in common is that all of them has way more gab closers, and potential in their ganking alone by themselves,** it feels to me that Diana is not really very effective if you may before she hits level 6**, which in my opinion is way to long of a waiting time for someone to wait for ganks, specially considering that players as I can clean my side of the jungle in under 5 minuts mark, and only stand as level 4, and therefore will have to either start farming minions in my teams lanes, causing them to miss their farm,and risking ruining their early game. Or try to gank, but fail horribly if my team is not strong enough to secure me a good gank, **from Dianas lack of good early game potential in ganking**, and probably die instead risking early game power and eventually late game as well because of enemy team getting good lead in kills. If not those options, i have the one called wait it out, but that will just leave me useless for the time being of my jungle respawning, which again is not too well for my game as a jungler. While I do understand that others might see potential as Diana level 4, depending on her team being able to put up effective ganks for her or not. **It still seems to me as even then, she is still not very effective before her level 6 has been reached.** Which gives her quite the downsides in power compared to other junglers, which makes her fall behind alot unless as said, her team can keep her up, which sadly most of the time is not the case. this is where finally the talk about Diana begins. Some points repeat themself. Your beginnig and end say exactly the same thing in different ways and you basiclly repeat the fact that Diana has weak early 4 times. This should've been only half as long. > My second wonder is her in the laning point of view,while she is lot stronger in laning, she even then lacks a great potential since as said not much CC or gabclosing. **Again do keep in mind this is from my point of view. So respect my point, as well as i respect yours.** straying away from the main point again and you mentioned this previously. > Diana is decently strong in laning, such as midlane, and toplane for the ones who have the nerves. But even there it seems that she do not belong there, she has no stuns, no real hardcore slows, while she is strong against melees like Katarina and so, she is even against other melees not the too strongest, and I from experience seems to not feel too well playing her mid against a ranged enemy, even in top lane typical tanks is the enemy, and when such happens you are pretty done as well. My overall point is, that Diana dont seem to give the kind of "Homelike" feeling, no matter where you go her. Or so that is how i feel, I do understand things can change, depending on the individual player. this one seems fine > My third and last thing, is not something I will go too deep with, but I just want to take a moment to talk about her kit, compared to many of the other champs. With all the new mechanics and "Balances" (LOL) in the game, I think Diana might atleast need a rework, or some kind of larger adjustment putting her on a somewhat equal state to the other champs. Yes Diana has a insane damage i get it. But what is the point of having a great damage, when you have nothing to do to use that damage. Mhm? this also seems fine > So my overall question about this. Do others feel or think the same about this, or am I the only, if so, by all means feel free to leave comments and lets start a constructive chat about this, as we all in the end will get an "award" if ya may. I also left a poll in here for the ones who feel like leaving their mark on this. Feel free to. also okay ending. Main issues: * introduction WAY too long. * you repeat youself alot, don't do that * stay on point. it's enough to mention only once that htis is your pseronal opinion something i didnt even mention because it's simply you either already can do or not, is a bit broken english and sentences don't feel like connect well to each other, if text was shorter it would be easier for you to check and fix. You try to come off as gentlmenlike or something and make this wall of text, but it just makes things things harder for boards users.
Yes. Alright now we speak the same language, yes I am in lower rank, simply cause I can't bother ranked and so because of the toxicity and that I never could see myself as someone playing ranked in a game I just dont feel too much enjoyment from anymore, I only play with friends once in a while. I do get your point now that you say it this way, I rarely post stuff like this, as stated early on, this is just something that I have been having on mind for a long while. Also aplogies for the broken english. I am not born english. But I do my best to sharpen it. Thanks for pointing it out. Lastly thanks for this comment, now you did not seem like and ass, but actually a decent person. My aplogogies as well. Have a good day sir.
: That was a hell of a post but i agree with you here. I used to play her a lot too back in the days i mained mid lane and not adc....She was one of my best and most liked champions. It was so rewarding to play her against Leblanc as hard counter pick, because you just wreck her after lvl 6 . Due to item changes for AP champs she just fell out of the "good champion pool". Diana was a good splitpusher and you could easily defeat most champs in a 1v1 but the items like {{item:3115}} are not that good anymore.. ofc you can still build {{item:3100}} but Abyssal Scepter is missing now and most other items just dont seem right on her. In jungle she suffers from the XP nerfs and the change on the AP jungler item... back when the {{item:1410}} had the spellblade proc like Lich Bane not the ludens **** she was so good... you had a pretty solid powerspike and like you say the early ganking potential with her was never great. Now the "Farm only" jungler aren`t that much rewarding due to respawntimers and XP you gain from the camps. The Meta is shifting for early/mid game and Diana is not what you want in your jungle there ^^. I would like to see the old Jungle Item Passive back... i know why they did the changes back then but now AP junglers are in a rough spot... and only {{champion:60}} seems to be really viable. {{champion:28}} and {{champion:131}} just are to weak in the game unless you get 3 free kills in the first 5 mins.... I`m sorry for my bad english :P but i hope you could understand my intentions :)
You are most certainly right in all of this, I would like to give you a wall of text comment as i did the other guy. But no i have nothing more to explain, then I have already done in my thread, and from what you have said now. But as I so nicely did to the other person. I want to thank you for your time and concerns in making this thread a good place with good constructive arguments and so on. It is highly appreciated, also if you want, by all means link this page to your friends, as i say the more viewers the merrier. :D
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: This isnt school you don't need to write essays, this thread coud've been alot shorter and simplier. Also you could've picked junglers that actually do have strong level 3 ganks, but from the ones you mentioned most of them don't. lastly Diana has some changes being tested on PBE > Diana > [changelist from 6/27 - very tentative.] > > Moonsilver Blade (P) [removed] no longer grants 20% attack speed. > > Crescent Blade (Q) cooldown lowered from 10/9/8/7/6 to 8/7.5/6.5/6 > > Moonfall (E) [new effect] Passive - Diana's spell casts grant her 40/50/60/70/80% attack speed for next 3 attacks. [source](http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html)
I get you of course many people do not like the long essays, but as I said to the other guy, In the end a more detailed and expaining thread is better than simply "Fix Diana please rito" But i get your point. As for the junglers I listed, and if you readen what i stated in the thread multiple times. Most of the things i said was from my experience, and the ones i listed is junglers i tend to see gank alot and do pretty well as level 3. I don't know if things are different on EUNE but on the EUW, these junglers seem to shine alot. And as the pbe changes. They seem fine yes. But again did you read my post fully(which I question now, considering your complaint about it) It was not really stuff like those changes i was aiming for, but more actual potential in her ganks. But yes overall they could work, but as ArchangelAlaska stated, the ap junglers are roughly said in the shitter. Thats what this post also is trying to explain. Which Archangel and many others did see my point of. Lastly I want to thank you for your comment and or critic and help, though next time try doing it more constructive, instead of seeming like an ass about it. Maybe that will get you better results in the end, thus why you get another block of text. (Cause sure, let me watch the world burn) :P
: i kind of can sympathize, because diana is probably your main and shes nearly at a place with the old pre-rework galio. I havent seen a Diana in like 50 games or more.
Yes.. She used to be my main, but after so many failures and lost games, I kind of lost hope, thus why I did this as a last attempt to get Diana back on the track so to say. And from experience i alone this month only seen 5 games out of many with Diana in them. (Not me playing Diana of course) So I can relate to the 50 games thing.
: Last i read that diana would already be reworked along with the divers. so its your birthday. but currently diana is in a really bad spot. couldnt read because the post was massive, but your right. > Again do keep in mind this is from my point of view. So respect my point, as well as i respect yours. no need to be worried about it.. i think most people know that diana isnt what she used to be.. shes hardly picked anymore.
Thanks for the comment, it is highly appreciated, and whatever constructive critic or help is greatly taken as well, I do apologize for the long post, but it seemed better to me to give a detailed explain with many great points than just to be like "Diana is bad, please fix riot" ya see? :)
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