: If anything, the combination of those two system make your climb easier. If your MMR is higher than your current rank, you gain more LP and if you win against people with a higher MMR, you also gain more LP and MMR. And if you manage to get to a rank you don't deserve, your MMR will soon drop and you will lose more LP because the system is gonna guide you to a rank where you have even matches
But what you describe is what a League System does all by itself. What is happening here is the same buts its happening independent of your League position. So you could be playing against people with similar MMR but higher or lower league ranks, in theory silver should be better than bronze and gold should be better than silver... etc etc. But I will always see plat and silver players in my games sometimes diamonds, which indicates that the league system is not representative of the skill of the players. So if the league system is not representative of the players skill then whats the point in having it.
Sarokh (EUNE)
: Exactly haha ^^ I find it funny how european people loves downvoting threads/comments without saying a word while NA is so good at it How depressing XD I bet it's because they got so bad MMR and still has plat V rank ^^ My further argument to why MMR-system replacing league point-system is better is that people would stop trolling at 0 LP because now it's all about your MMR (if we had the MMR-system)
Yeah I dont mind an ELO system or a League System but one or the other not a mish mash of the two which is worse than either. This current system gives you opportunity for abuse as you say and inaccurate assessment of peoples skill levels (as evidenced by having 3 different tiers in one game).
DeRoo (EUW)
: Silver 2 is the new gold? Hmm I never knew that. Also, theres little difference between silver and gold. I do understand your theory on how they oppose each other. But theres massive flaws by only choosing one system. You don't take into consideration smurfs (They smash low elo for free then instead of getting matched with other smurfs/skip divisions). You don't take dormant accounts into consideration (terrible in league system, great in mmr system as MMr is temporary), and to be honest... if you just improve your own game instead of blaming the game, you'd climb. Climbing league is down to one thing and one thing only... winning. Youre like a pro footballer complaining about stats in Fifa. Just play the damn game and win. Your desired league rank will come and your mmr will follow. Or sit here and whine like every other hardstuck player, and watch **nothing** change. Your choice pal... Riot ain't changing anything.
If you look i havnt played on this account in nearly 2 years i just use it for the forums. I dont even play for my rank really, i play for fun first and foremost, ranked is just the most enjoyable place to do it. Also the flaws you mention are not even flaws. Dormant accounts - If this is a problem for a league system then its a problem for MMR. If in the MMR system the dormants drop out leaving only the actives, then you have Number of players @ x MMR - inactive players @ x MMR = total available players at X MMR vs equivalent in league based Number of players in X division - inactive players in x division = total available players in x division in case this is a bit confusing the end result is that you have the exact same number of players avail in a league system at a given rating that you do in an MMR rating at the equivalent elo. Additionally if the MMR decreased over time you open it up to exploitation as division does not drop with it. So if anything a true league system is superior here in every way. Smurfs - smurfs can easily be alleviated by examining comparative performance if they are such a problem, and jumping them divisions accordingly. Problem solved. My problem with the current system is not where I am, I honestly couldn't give a shit so stop trying to make it about me as a weak counter argument, its that it results in an inaccurate placement across the board and result in games in which you can see a wide spread of tiers and ultimately it renders your league placement relatively pointless.
Sarokh (EUNE)
: I agree with you. My MMR use to be much better than the average of the rank and I find it unfair that players who has better rank than me has worse MMR than me. They're in other words worse than me.
Thats the problem with the system, you can have people in gold, silver and plat are similar skill levels which undermines the league system. My last game had silver, gold and plats in it.
DeRoo (EUW)
: So how do you deal with Smurfs... Don't blame Riot because you've been silver for 5 years while everyone else got better.
Im actually gold now, but w.e. You let the league system sort it out, that's the idea of a league system, in order to stay where they are they would need to intentionally throw games which would get them banned. Also dont throw insults because you dont understand how the two system oppose each other.
Rioter Comments
: YOU CAN EVADE BEING AUTOFILLED
Autofill in modes without free champs i.e Ranked is the single stupidest idea Riot has ever had. But then again getting anywhere in ranked is a crapshoot so i dont suppose it matters all that much.
: Strongest tank - top lane
: How NOT to get banned?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Thats a stat out of thin air if ever there was one. Official stats. Riot also released PB numbers to 3rd party researches who confirm Riot's findings, and numbers. If they were to lie, they'd get caught pretty easily. --- > If you could read what they told me in the ticket you too would be telling people not to waste money and spread the risk, unless ofc ur completely bought. I don't have to read it to know that it's most likely not what you're claiming it to be. Stating "it's horrible" when in fact only those that violate the rules get banned, doesn't make it horrible in my book. It makes it fair. --- > I didn't deserve a ban on my first account Your opinion, but that doesn't make it true.
This is just a case of profanity against a champ, that is all it is. Context is KING. Its clear that im not using it in a homophobic way. Also me being "homophobic" is a bit funny, ill let u figure out why lol. Being talked to in a condescending manner, having every query ignored and being given the same message repeatedly is treating me like shit, it has nothing to do with them not unbanning my account. Its not, not at all, punishments for the same crime dont increase thats not how it works and it doesnt counter any argument. It only serves to prove my point. It is not Toxic or Not Toxic, nothing is ever that black and white. Only Riot games could be so arrogant to possibly think it is. As you can see below based on this information unless you have a 100% spotless record, based on what this ticket says you will be banned at some point. Its not if but when. This is the reason I hate Riot games (that and they ruin the game more with every change) "Greetings Summoner, I'll try and address every point made below: "Lets say someone plays 1000 games, get reported for being genuinely toxic in 3 of them. Someone else plays 100 games and gets reported for being genuinely toxic in 3 of them. Now a final person plays 10 games and gets report for being genuinely toxic in 3 of them. Based on what you are saying all these players are toxic, when logically and statistically the difference between them in terms of toxicity is huge." Not sure what you're trying to imply here. I can agree that there's a statistical difference between them, but it's in terms of playing, not toxicity. Why would we treat someone differently in terms of applying a behavior ban just because he played more games? It's like suggesting that a company would allow an employee to harass other employees just because he's been hired for a longer time than others. If someone with 4000 matches ends up telling people to kill themselves and calls them "%%%s" in just one out of the 4000, that's more than enough to draw our attention. Our perspective is that there is no place for such harsh words within an activity where your main goal is moving a bunch of pixels on a screen. The game's PG 13-rated and that's not even a quarter of the arguments I could bring up in order to justify this. I'm convinced that there is no well-functioning environment, in both the real word and in games, that overlooks this kind of behavior." All in all though its pretty irrelevant. Riot managed to con me out of money once but never again, i still get to play the game, so the banning system failed, i still get to be "toxic". Only this time im covering myself against Riots terrible policy. My opinion of Riot games wont ever change and you wont ever stop regurgitating their corporate line. So have a good day wherever you are.
: You sound a bit paranoid. From all my friends just 1 got chat restricted couple seasons ago, and he had it coming. It's really not that hard. So what did you do to get your first acc banned?
My only crimes were playing too many games, eventually I was gonna lose my cool enough times and talking to people like they were talking to me. But context is not important to Riot games so i got banned. It cost me hundred of Euros in the process. Now though it doesn't matter, im covered on the risk, i wont be financially hit if they do ban one of my three burner accounts. Im still the same person I was back then the only difference is now im smart enough to cover risk, split collections and avoid spending. Trusting Riot games is a mistake. Its not about being paranoid really, i can only base my actions on my experience. This is what I feel is necessary to avoid being utterly crushed by Riot games again.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Thats a stat out of thin air if ever there was one. Official stats. Riot also released PB numbers to 3rd party researches who confirm Riot's findings, and numbers. If they were to lie, they'd get caught pretty easily. --- > If you could read what they told me in the ticket you too would be telling people not to waste money and spread the risk, unless ofc ur completely bought. I don't have to read it to know that it's most likely not what you're claiming it to be. Stating "it's horrible" when in fact only those that violate the rules get banned, doesn't make it horrible in my book. It makes it fair. --- > I didn't deserve a ban on my first account Your opinion, but that doesn't make it true.
Links please. I can provide quotes if you want. But the jist of it is, three strikes and your out. Doesn't matter how many games, over what time period, the context, nothing. The below example is from the ticket discussion. Getting caught speeding in a car 3 times over 12 years in my country would not result in a driving ban. Using LoL's policy it would. Using LoL's system A person who drives 1000000 miles and speeds 3 times, is considered equally as bad as the person who drives 10 miles speeds three times. LoL policy would ban both these people from driving. ^ This is draconian beyond belief. finally this is the ENTIRE chat log from the game that got me perma banned after 4000+ games and 7 years. Yes you read that right 4 lines is my entire chat log. [All] Thunderbug (Xin Zhao): crit = luck (which it is by definition) [All] Thunderbug (Xin Zhao): such a %%%got champion (my opinion on a champ) Thunderbug (Xin Zhao): LAWWWWL well made champ (my opinion on a champ) Thunderbug (Xin Zhao): stfu scrub (someone flaming me and im telling them to shut up) So the only line that could even be considered toxic is the last and that is loose. So yeah I would say i was unfairly banned. As an added kick in the teeth, the time between the 14 day and perma ban was nearly 2 years and 1500+ games. Additionally I was treated like shit on the ticket appealing this too. I would advise any new player who wants to play this game to do 2 things. 1) Never spend a penny. 2) mute all at the start of every game.
: i see . but there are roles . you cant balance a tank with assasin
Ofc but within each class there are champs who are far stronger than others. Chogath and Nunu are prime examples. Both are tanky AP champs, both can go top or jungle, maybe even mid but cho's kit has more damage, more disruption and more utility than nunus ever will. If you want a tanky AP champ and the options are nunu and chogath, if you want to have the best chance of winning you should always pick chogath. This is just one example of many where a role has premier, that is to say more powerful, champs.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > a perma ban for most people is not if but when. So 0.005% of the community being amongst those that get permabanned now represents "most people"? I'd say 99.995% is most people. --- Don't break the rules, and you'll never be punished. I've played since season 3, and haven't gotten a single punishment on either EUNE, or EUW. Most players in this game haven't gotten a single punishment either, since they behave.
Thats a stat out of thin air if ever there was one. If you could read what they told me in the ticket you too would be telling people not to waste money and spread the risk, unless ofc ur completely bought. The banning policy, as clarified to me in a ticket, is frankly horrendous, draconian, unjust, and ineffective. I didn't deserve a ban on my first account, not even close. Also considering this my 6th most played multiplayer game and the only one where I have had any kind of punishment is evidence enough for myself to be extremely cautious of the game, its dev, its policy and spending money on it. Edit: The fact that i mistrust the system so much that I am spreading risk over three accounts, shows how unfairly treated by the system I have been. On all my other games I have 1 account, LoL is the only game where I feel it necessary to spread risk in this fashion.
: if you know how the champions work you can build the right items to survive. istead of using a copy of runes or builds from ppl . i hope you understand .
I know how everyone works in detail, but some champs are intrinsically stronger than others due to kits. Its just a fact. i hope you understand.
: How come?
> [{quoted}](name=SoulPaintedBlack,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3hGbEakA,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-11-17T21:30:55.752+0000) > > How come? They ban so flippantly you risk losing it all. I now swap between 3 accounts because of the clarification about banning policy they gave me in a ticket. The information they gave me also means i will never spend another penny on the game ever. To sum up the information I was told via a ticket, a perma ban for most people is not if but when.
: reason i wont buy skins no more !!! rengar q suks ass
While i dont agree with the rengar statement i do agree that reworks should also provide the opportunity for refunds on the champs. Take Fiora for instance, one of my faves champs before the changes and since the changes i have played her twice. I bought skins for Fiora because I liked the champ she was not the champ they have turned her into. They didnt just tweak her either, they turned a fun unique champ with counterplay into a %true damage nightmare, who is far stronger and far more anti fun than the old version ever was. then again most reworks they do are dreadful. Riot rework = make stronger + give true damage. Its really very lazy design work by Riot games.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > i have other accounts so stop the straw man argument Oh, so that's the problem then. You're playing on multiple accounts instead of focusing on one. Naturally you'll have problems unlocking content then, since you're spreading out your gains that much. Stick to one account, and you'll see you'll be getting stuff a lot faster.
Its very dangerous to only have one account.
Perilum (EUW)
: Read the contract you signed on account creation. Also stop annoying people by demanding your money back, after you enjoyed the provided service. Maybe in addition look up the term "scam".
He does have a point though. There is so little variation now wiht the new runes that 1 or 2 rune pages will suffice.
: Yes i play this game for years i know what im saying
Youre wrong, the game is not particularly well balanced atm tbh. Likely due to the rune changes. But there are always viable and non viable champs since beta.
: insanely long queue (riot is doing this on purpose to people punished by the bullshit ban system)
Lol i feel for ya man. The whole punishment system in this game is trash.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: [Here's](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Jh3Mtzu6-board-post-title-blue-essence-earn-rates-learning-the-numbers-with-carl-and-henrietta) an explanation by Riot.
My game history has direct proof that the numbers used in the linked article are false. With 3 fwotd and 2 losses I gained 939ip. Only one game was longer than 37mins. So in 5 games I gained more XP that with 6 that the "explanation" suggest. My games were 32 min fwotd - 265 38 min fwotd - 282 20 min loss - 63 20 min loss - 63 32 min fwotd - 265
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > that's lower than what you would be able to get in the old system. No, it's actually not. There's math to prove it. --- > Not to mention, that even if you only need 5 BE behind from buying or unlocking shard like my case, You will have to play another 10 games to level up, that's a disadvantage for sure. Sure, those cases do suck. Riot is changing the FWotD to grant little less XP, but grant you 50BE which should remove a lot of these cases. But that still doesn't change that overtime you'll be earning more, and unlocking new content faster.
I disagree, I had 11 games from 30-31, including 2 fwotd bonus. I got just over 800 BE. Under the old system with 2x fwotd I would have been 1100+ easily. If you want to keep this trash system you need to normalise the crates what is the maximum BE a crate can give then add BE to the crate to bring every crate up to this max. RNG rewards just suck bit time without a normalisation effect. Removing exp from the fwotd is a bad idea.
: Perma bans
No they wont. They banned me unfairly and still wouldn't remove it. Suffice to say im much worse now im on meaningless free burner accounts than i ever was while I was on my main account. so GJ riot games you added toxicity to the game when u banned this account ^^
Cypherous (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Thunderbug,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4h85AqEy,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-11-12T16:49:15.217+0000) > > But this is incorrect, it is not so black and white as to say Toxic/Non Toxic. The 1/10 is far more toxic than the 1/1000. He is 100x more toxic than the 1/1000 so for Riot to say they are equal is not only logically moronic but it is mathematically moronic too. > > You can get caught speeding in a car, doesn't mean you are a dangerous driver. Likewise you can lose ur rag in a game doesn't mean you are a toxic player. I would describe 1/1000 as "uncharacteristically toxic" in that 1 game, the 1/10 i would call "characteristically toxic". The 1/10 should be punished the 1/1000 should not. No, its called "zero tolerance" it doesn't matter than the first guy is 100x more toxic, a toxic player is a toxic player and riot has a zero tolerance policy against them, they all get treated the same, act like a %%%% and get treated like a %%%%
No, its called "utterly %%%%%%ed". "It doesn't matter if the first guy is 100x more toxic" Yeah it does, or at least it should. You know why League of Bellends still has one of the worst communities in gaming? Ill give you a hint, its not because Riots punishment system works. When a ban system becomes "not if but when" then ur game policy has a problem. What this system does is turn light toxicity into extreme toxicity. Ill explain the process for you. Player has account, spends money, gets attached, tries to go up in rank, is at worst slightly toxic. Account gets banned unfairly due to Riots shitty policies. Player creates new account, doesn't spend money, doesn't get attached, doesn't give a shit, is at best egregiously toxic. Lets examine how effective the system has been in my case since they banned my first account for nothing, which cost me hundreds of Euros in the process. Am I still playing? - Yes, I have had 4 accounts since and not spent a penny. Ok so despite being banned I am still playing, but surely I am a nice player now. So... Am I still "toxic"? - Yes in fact im incredibly "toxic", orders of magnitude more toxic than I was before, I say and do what I want when I want and I don't give a shit about anyone else im playing with. Ok so im now much worse than I was before in a higher % of games.... but how can this be.... the system is supposed to remove toxicity from the game not add to it. Well they took away the one account I spent money on, the one account I cared about. They let me make new accounts in seconds for free. I feel I was banned unfairly and thus lost all respect for the game, its policies and its developers. Finally instead of playing for progression or rank im playing for the grin. The result of all this is that in the year and a change since I was banned I have had 3 other accounts perma banned and im still playing. The bans literally have no effect on me anymore from a financial or personal standpoint. When the punishment loses all effect they cease to become effective. The product of this is a game which is year on year voted to be one of the worst communities in gaming. Try it urself create a new account and see how many people are on new accounts because of bans. My record is 9/10 players including myself (when I was lvl 7) had created these new accounts because their old ones got banned. and 3/9 had been perma banned more than once before. Tldr - draconian systems like this one almost always (as in the case of league) have a negative effect on behaviour as a whole and utterly fail to garner respect from the community its supposed to serve. When the punishment is not respected and has no tangible effect it becomes ineffective. This is why the games as a whole is much worse now than ever before.
Leptyx (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shao Sin,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4jefwQQr,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-13T11:20:05.641+0000) > > thought this game was about skill shots guess you were wrong :(
> [{quoted}](name=Leptyx,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4jefwQQr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-13T11:46:50.834+0000) > > guess you were wrong {{champion:45}} {{champion:31}} one shot ults say hello.
: about time you rework garen
The complexity of a champ is subjective. I think Yasuo and Ekko are easy champs to play but according to some they are hard to play. Ive seen people utterly fail to play Garen properly because it was their first time playing him. All champs require skill to play decently. If Garen is beating you it simply means he is better with Garen than you are with whatever champ ur using.
DeRoo (EUW)
: Yeah it isnt what it used to be. You actually have to use your brain and apply runes that work in each match! It's great! I love it and so do my friends. I guess it's tougher for inexperienced players to learn it all instead of copying a page they find online. But anyway, it's preseason. The game is always crazy at this time. So I find posts like this pretty weird to be honest. ... As for the community complaint, ehh... that's just you being hot headed xD I play solo all the time and I love it. Improve your game and carry. Simple as that. Good luck :)
> [{quoted}](name=DeRoo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4h85AqEy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-12T13:27:34.380+0000) > > Yeah it isnt what it used to be. You actually have to use your brain and apply runes that work in each match! It's great! I love it and so do my friends. > Good luck :) I hope ur joking the new runes system has even less variation than the old system did.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > According to Riot games all these people are equally bad. I mean how dumb can a policy be that these 3 people are considered as toxic as each other lol. A toxic player is a toxic player, doesn't matter if he ruins less games he is still ruining games
> [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=4h85AqEy,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-11-12T14:51:10.579+0000) > > A toxic player is a toxic player, doesn't matter if he ruins less games he is still ruining games But this is incorrect, it is not so black and white as to say Toxic/Non Toxic. The 1/10 is far more toxic than the 1/1000. He is 100x more toxic than the 1/1000 so for Riot to say they are equal is not only logically moronic but it is mathematically moronic too. You can get caught speeding in a car, doesn't mean you are a dangerous driver. Likewise you can lose ur rag in a game doesn't mean you are a toxic player. I would describe 1/1000 as "uncharacteristically toxic" in that 1 game, the 1/10 i would call "characteristically toxic". The 1/10 should be punished the 1/1000 should not.
: League isn't the game it used to be
I agree, if I didn't know how inept Riot games was I would think they were trying to ruin the game on purpose. There are so many things they are doing and have been doing that make the game that much worse, not least of which is the champ reworks. Nearly every champ they touch they not only destroy the identity of the champ they originally created but they simultaneously make them infinitely more annoying to play against. Fiora is my favourite example of this, a champ i adored when she came out, now I just hate her, I hate her op % true damage, I hate her new play-style, I hate the lack of counter building against her, I hate everything about her now. On top of this they utterly failed to address the issues they set out to address in the first place they actually made them worse. Their ban/punishment policy and methodology is both ineffective and unjust. Over the years they seem to be far more trigger happy with the bans. I have been told in a ticket by riot games that its 3 strikes and youre out, number of games and time between punishment does not factor at all which is just %%%%%%ed. The example below was one i asked them about. A player rages 1/10 games over 5 months A player rages 1/100 games over 5 months A player rages 1/1000 games over 5 months According to Riot games all these people are equally bad. I mean how dumb can a policy be that these 3 people are considered as toxic as each other lol. But its ok at least it makes the game better, oh wait no it doesn't the games community is as bad probably worse than its always been. true damage is a bad idea, % true damage is an abomination of balance. It should be removed entirely but they certainly need to remove % true damage. I used to recommend League of Legends, then when the community got worse I recommended it with 4 friends, now I wouldnt recommend it all. Balance is bad, newer champs are anti-fun, reworked champs are anti-fun, certain champs are shown favouritism during balancing, new runes suck, new BE thing sucks, matchmaking sucks, cant play with my bronze friend (while in gold) but get matched with bronze players (MAKES %%%%ING SENSE) ban and punishment policy sucks The game is a shell of its former self. Probably why Dota has overtaken it.
Youpwned (EUW)
: Let's talk about the losers of runes reforged
The new runes have created a boatload of balance problems. First is that the lack of flat stats has helped some champs while others have fallen off. All in AD bursty champs like Riven, Xin, Zed, Talon, J4 are now much stronger than they were before. Lack of flat stats, specifically armour has hurt many champs. The offensive nature of most of the new trees means high dmg early game champs are even stronger Lack of meaningful defensive boosts hinders laners who need it to survive early trades, fights etc. The boost to base damage on most champs has further compounded the lack of armor from runes by increasing the damage of certain champs further. Ive played about 20 games since the changes and in every single one the All in Ad bursters have been king. I dont like the new runes at all. Every lane is now "who can get the most damage out in the shortest time". Defences be damned.
Magneset (EUW)
: Banning people in this game is generally worthless considering the fact you can either just make a new account or buy a new level 30 for 5 bucks. I understand the whole reform thing but i would love to see some numbers on the effectivity.
> [{quoted}](name=Magneset,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QF90repV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-15T19:25:35.123+0000) > > Banning people in this game is generally worthless considering the fact you can either just make a new account or buy a new level 30 for 5 bucks. I understand the whole reform thing but i would love to see some numbers on the effectivity. Not great, thats why they dont release em If it was working I wouldn't be responding in kind to people 9/10 games or making shitposts like this
: > Ill be a %%%% to a %%%%. The problem with this is that you're still a %%%%... You seem to think that you're showing strenght by "beating" them in the argument, or that you're "teaching them a lesson"...You absolutely aren't. There's nothing cool about getting provoked and losing your temper, I think that's something everyone can agree on. If you were a little more mature, you'd simply be muting and ignoring the player, instead of throwing an even bigger tantrum. ("_ill just be better at_") --- You completely fail to realise that you're affecting other players than the one you're arguing with. They see that there's just one more flamer on their team who would rather win a pointless argument than the game. These players did nothing to you, but you're still a jerk, since you're creating a very unpleasant experience for them... Congratulations, you broke your rule.
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QF90repV,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-15T19:16:31.487+0000) > > The problem with this is that you're still a %%%%... > > You seem to think that you're showing strenght by "beating" them in the argument, > or that you're "teaching them a lesson"...You absolutely aren't. > > There's nothing cool about getting provoked and losing your temper, I think that's something everyone can agree on. If you were a little more mature, you'd simply be muting and ignoring the player, instead of throwing an even bigger tantrum. ("_ill just be better at_") > > --- > You completely fail to realise that you're affecting other players than the one you're arguing with. They see that there's just one more flamer on their team who would rather win a pointless argument than the game. > > These players did nothing to you, but you're still a jerk, > since you're creating a very unpleasant experience for them... > Congratulations, you broke your rule. Collateral damage is unfortunate but acceptable. If u read my other post i tried muting all and i got reported for that too, so if im gonna get reported i may aswell have some fun while im doing it lol also u seem to think i get angry when arguing back with these cu nts im not im jst enjoying myself.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Well then let's see how long you'll last after the ban. A single insult or even a gg ez will be enough to get you permanently banned. Still baffles me how people pride themselves on being total douchebags. Didn't your parents raise you right? I'm sure you don't act like that in real life (assuming you have one). Why do you have to be a %%%% online?
> [{quoted}](name=Coopa123,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QF90repV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-15T18:44:41.385+0000) > > Well then let's see how long you'll last after the ban. A single insult or even a gg ez will be enough to get you permanently banned. > > Still baffles me how people pride themselves on being total douchebags. Didn't your parents raise you right? I'm sure you don't act like that in real life (assuming you have one). Why do you have to be a %%%% online? I have one rule regarding online interaction, real life too and I stick to it without fail. Ill be a %%%% to a %%%%. If someones nice to me im nice back, if someones a %%%% to me ill be a %%%% back ill just be better at. I guess they are just lucky I dont report people for raging or flaming because if I give it I can take it, but riot doesn't like this attitude apparently (they told me as much when i contacted them) and quite frankly some of the arguments are more fun than the game itself, i mean what else do you do in a lost game that people refuse to surrender cos they think its still winnable while being 0-100 down. Oh no what will I do if they permaban me, oh yeah same thing I did last time LAWL. Its the problem with a free game and unlimited accounts banning is worthless lol. If they really wanted to solve raging and flaming they would just ban chat capability, but they dont because they are greedy. this is a game moderated by pansy sheltered wall flowers, thats all.
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Rompanruoja (EUNE)
: Tribunal hasn't been up for like years. This instant feedback -system replaced tribunal. Check your spam folder, and make sure you're using the email that you used to make that account. It should be there. If not, you can ask the logs from Riot Support. Chat logs are not something that riot is trying to hide from you / us , they'll gladly provide them. Other thing is if the banned players are willing to show them to the community who they are crying about unfair punishments.
> [{quoted}](name=Rompanruoja,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:33:23.790+0000) > > Tribunal hasn't been up for like years. This instant feedback -system replaced tribunal. > Check your spam folder, and make sure you're using the email that you used to make that account. It should be there. If not, you can ask the logs from Riot Support. > > Chat logs are not something that riot is trying to hide from you / us , they'll gladly provide them. Other thing is if the banned players are willing to show them to the community who they are crying about unfair punishments. Is there no other way I dont want to have email those spastics. My other 2 from months ago fine, if insults are what offends you to report someone then by all means go ahead i called someone a cu nt. If that makes em cry it makes em cry. The only one i care about is this last one, which as is turns out was the final one. shows how much i cared about reporting people that i didnt even know about the tribunal being down but then again sticks and stones is still relevant to me. Edit : checked email was correct it was, checked spam folder and it wasn't there.
GLurch (EUW)
: No, the other person wrote "Your not skilled enough and your build is not tanky enough". >If attempting to surrender lower your morale, not my problem basically It is your problem, since you are the cause of it. >I told Tryndamere that "Crit chance = luck" which is does, 33% to crit 2 times in a row is RNG luck. You wrote over and over again "wow so lucky" "this champ", uhm...yeah.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:32:20.908+0000) > > No, the other person wrote "Your not skilled enough and your build is not tanky enough". > > It is your problem, since you are the cause of it. > > You wrote over and over again "wow so lucky" "this champ", uhm...yeah. Stop lying please. Stop qouting and taking bits out so you can try and make a point. Over and over again or twice as it was lol. In any case telling someone they got lucky is not toxic so i fail to see your point.
: >I will say it again since u seem to be having trouble. "STFU scrub" was the only insulting thing i said at any player in the entire game. then why dont you post the chat logs to prove your point?
> [{quoted}](name=lookbehindyu,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:23:17.781+0000) > > then why dont you post the chat logs to prove your point? see above comment and answer the question and then i will.
GLurch (EUW)
: You didn't only write "stfu scrub".
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:29:19.248+0000) > > You didn't only write "stfu scrub". Omg, no it was the only INSULTING thing i said directed at a player. I said other general stuff but nothing insulting target to a player. Good god man keep up.
Rompanruoja (EUNE)
: You may want to provide us a link straight to that chat log so we'll know for sure you're not just lying - like people generally are when talking about these things in boards.
> [{quoted}](name=Rompanruoja,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:19:14.898+0000) > > You may want to provide us a link straight to that chat log so we'll know for sure you're not just lying - like people generally are when talking about these things in boards. Where do I access this, the only logs i saw were in the client, they have not sent me an email. The tribunal is down for "maintenance" wonder if that is why I have not got an email, if the auto emails are tied to it.
Rompanruoja (EUNE)
: The ban is "automatic" to just some extent. It's not automated in terms of banning just whoever it likes , but the moment you are reported, your chat log will be checked by an automated system. And if it finds that you have been acting toxic, it'll hand out punishment if it's harsh enough to cross a certain threshold. In this case you have been banned before for 14 days, and you were told that the next one will be permanent ban. If you had been playing during those 6 months and get rid of your toxic status of your account, permaban might not have been the next option. But since you got banned for 14 days, then you were toxic literally the next games you played, you were handed out the permanent ban because your fellow players reported you for being toxic. Even if it was 6 months ago. It still was the very next games. You didn't show any kind of reform, only that you've been away from the game for a longer period of time
> [{quoted}](name=Rompanruoja,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:16:44.087+0000) > > The ban is "automatic" to just some extent. It's not automated in terms of banning just whoever it likes , but the moment you are reported, your chat log will be checked by an automated system. And if it finds that you have been acting toxic, it'll hand out punishment if it's harsh enough to cross a certain threshold. > In this case you have been banned before for 14 days, and you were told that the next one will be permanent ban. If you had been playing during those 6 months and get rid of your toxic status of your account, permaban might not have been the next option. But since you got banned for 14 days, then you were toxic literally the next games you played, you were handed out the permanent ban because your fellow players reported you for being toxic. Even if it was 6 months ago. It still was the very next games. You didn't show any kind of reform, only that you've been away from the game for a longer period of time 7th game actually i have played a few yesterday and the day before. Again as i said if "stfu scrub" to someone who is insulting me is ban worthy then well what a bunch of flower children they are.
GLurch (EUW)
: They always check them. It's easy to check a permaban regarding insulting. The text got insults in them? BAN
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:12:47.467+0000) > > They always check them. It's easy to check a permaban regarding insulting. > The text got insults in them? BAN if something akin to "stfu scrub" is worthy of report. Riot games wouldn't have any players left.
GLurch (EUW)
: >how can flame you with 7 lines, the log when it popped up in the client was 7 lines long. Even 7 lines can have insults in them. >Trying to surrender is not a re-portable offence Well, it does lower the team morale. >If you could define "flame" for me cos apart from telling one of you to "stfu scrub" (**which I wouldn't have if he hadn't insulted me**) He didn't insult you, he told you what your mistakes were. He told you, that your build was way to squishy and you were not skilled enough. > i didn't actually insult any of u. But what you did was insulting the enemy Tryndamere and once our Shaco (I think).
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:11:26.615+0000) > > Even 7 lines can have insults in them. > > Well, it does lower the team morale. > > He didn't insult you, he told you what your mistakes were. He told you, that your build was way to squishy and you were not skilled enough. > > But what you did was insulting the enemy Tryndamere and once our Shaco (I think). Nope the only thing I said to shaco was "Dont bother he will just press R" and I told Tryndamere that "Crit chance = luck" which is does, 33% to crit 2 times in a row is RNG luck. If attempting to surrender lower your morale, not my problem basically. Its not reportable its not toxic and why you are talking about it is beyond me. Your not skilled enough and your build is terrible - sounds like an insult to me, especially funny since the same build had won me prior 5 or 6 games. I will say it again since u seem to be having trouble. "STFU scrub" was the only insulting thing i said at any player in the entire game.
Magneset (EUW)
: So you warn other toxic people about the system so they can find ways around it? Hilarious. Punishment deserved.
> [{quoted}](name=Magneset,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-08-14T15:04:12.743+0000) > > So you warn other toxic people about the system so they can find ways around it? > > Hilarious. Punishment deserved. Informing people yes, so they can find ways around it nothing to do with me, its entirely up to them what they do with this information. But the larger point is they im sure i read somewhere they always check perma bans physically its never automated but guess what it clearly is lol.
GLurch (EUW)
: Hey Thunderbug! I was in your last game. You kept spamming the surrender button and flamed us, even if you didn't insult that badly. And regarding that you got punished before, this punishment is completely justified.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Equw0clV,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-14T14:59:04.709+0000) > > Hey Thunderbug! I was in your last game. > You kept spamming the surrender button and flamed us, even if you didn't insult that badly. > And regarding that you got punished before, this punishment is completely justified. how can flame you with 7 lines, the log when it popped up in the client was 7 lines long. Trying to surrender is not a re-portable offence nor can it be construed as toxic if it was it wouldn't exist, I wanted to surrender cos it was a lost game and guess what we lost. If you could define "flame" for me cos apart from telling one of you to "stfu scrub" (which I wouldn't have if he hadn't insulted me) i didn't actually insult any of u. As for my other reports maybe calling someone a %%%% to me isnt bad but to some flower child it might, but then again I only reported for AFK/DC or otherwise not moving and never for talk.
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: Threshhold for promotion
Guess what I rolled the dice and lost, despite playing well as my team were fcking idiots. who argued from champ select to the moment we lost. All because i had to get 2 fucking LP. Fking joke
aCup of Tea (EUNE)
: 1 is in game you just failed to recognize it. Funny thing is that you mention it in your post without realizing it ;-). 2 is silly. @1: There is 100 lp points border correct? The number could be anything, this is just a set line where you need to get. You are here only saying that you want to lower this value to 92 (just using your example of 8, you could go with any other number as you mentioned). So the new value would be 92 instead of 100. Now the situation: you get 91 points. Voile you are in the same situation as you are right now (with 98 lp). So this doesn't solve anything it just moves the border. Move it to 92 and you can complain about oh heck why when I do have 91 points there is no threshold for that? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} @2: promo games test you against differently skilled players to see how you fare against them to decide you can advance. Hardly helpful if you get a free promo game for a game before this system ;-). Your waste of lp is protected by winning two out of three games (or three out of five). Imagine that it could simply be that you have to win two (or three) games in a row - that would be much worse because there would be no threshold. Ofc if you loose you loose lp for all those lost games there is nothign wrong with that after all you are given one (or two) free games in exchange for that. Don't forget that. _Shortly, your excess of lp is exchanged for three possible games in promo instead of just two._ One special point, for palyers climbing to the top of gold (or plat V) there is a support system. Win one game in your promos, lose the rest, then get back into promo and you are given one promo win from your last promo in the current serie - this way you can climb into platinum pretty fast if you are capable of that. Platinum and above doesn't have this support system (it's there for players who are more skilled to separate them from players of lower skill so they don't give a bad experience for each other). {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=aCup of Tea,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=eMzs3uGm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-07T17:11:48.727+0000) > > 1 is in game you just failed to recognize it. Funny thing is that you mention it in your post without realizing it ;-). > 2 is silly. > > @1: > There is 100 lp points border correct? The number could be anything, this is just a set line where you need to get. You are here only saying that you want to lower this value to 92 (just using your example of 8, you could go with any other number as you mentioned). So the new value would be 92 instead of 100. Now the situation: you get 91 points. Voile you are in the same situation as you are right now (with 98 lp). So this doesn't solve anything it just moves the border. Move it to 92 and you can complain about oh heck why when I do have 91 points there is no threshold for that? > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} > > @2: > promo games test you against differently skilled players to see how you fare against them to decide you can advance. Hardly helpful if you get a free promo game for a game before this system ;-). > Your waste of lp is protected by winning two out of three games (or three out of five). Imagine that it could simply be that you have to win two (or three) games in a row - that would be much worse because there would be no threshold. Ofc if you loose you loose lp for all those lost games there is nothign wrong with that after all you are given one (or two) free games in exchange for that. Don't forget that. > _Shortly, your excess of lp is exchanged for three possible games in promo instead of just two._ > > One special point, for palyers climbing to the top of gold (or plat V) there is a support system. Win one game in your promos, lose the rest, then get back into promo and you are given one promo win from your last promo in the current serie - this way you can climb into platinum pretty fast if you are capable of that. Platinum and above doesn't have this support system (it's there for players who are more skilled to separate them from players of lower skill so they don't give a bad experience for each other). > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} If thats true then why am I at 98lp, ive even been at 99 lp once. @1 no its not the same thing at all, the amount needed is 100 period, if im at 91 points then in order to be up for promotion i need 9 more points, 9 from 17 ish i can live with that but 2 lp from 17 ish is just making me roll the solo que dice an extra time for no reason. This would be a moot point if values for win loss were constant but they are not but thats a whole other problem with the system. @2 Well i done believe that to be the case at all, ive had games against people in much higher divisions in standard ranked games than in promos. So clearly the matchmaking is using some other system to determine who im playing against, unless of course the system wanted to give me an easier game for my promos, either way it pretty much invalidates what you said on the point.
Archonios (EUNE)
: Why is League becoming so complex?
Its just Riot games, they are literally one of the most clueless developers ive ever seen and yet they managed to get on the MOBA train at just the right time and fell into a pot of gold despite themselves. They change things for reasons that make no sense and change it into something that makes even less sense given their objectives for the change. Take Fiora, if i recall the problem the they had with her was she could kill stuff really well, especially squishies, when she had ad and couldnt do anything if she didnt. First of all no shit sherlock a melee ad who cant kill stuff without AD stop the press. Second what they changed her into was even worse, if she gets a feed now shes even more unstoppable than she was and if shes behind now shes literally a bigger minion worth more gold. The only difference being now she is even more annoying to play against, more un-fun to play against and just something that they made worse in terms of the problems they tried to fix and the general fun of playing with or against. they seem to think they can fix balance with complexity when in reality they are simply making it worse and worse and worse.
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