: Well I did just have a game against a Yuumi/Yasuo botlane. Was playing Yorick top away from the action but from what I suffered _late_ game; the Yasuo just could not be killed. Constantly healing and shielding. That isn't a sign that Yuumi's gameplay is busted, it's just her values and numbers are too high. Also, Yasuo is busted as hell anyway. The whole game is getting rather shambolic because of the high damage & high mobility dominance in the game. Unkillable champions are not fun, but champions that rip people apart so quickly, and only are countered by other champions who rip people part quickly (and therefore have to engage in 1 Mistake Death knife-edge fights), are equally if not more unfun. Meteos _is_ a professional, but a professional of a _video game_. We all gotta admit that; LoL is a toy - so it'll be played by normal people. So some of the stuff he goes on about isn't applicable to normal play, or else he ignores some of the stuff normal players face. But he does get it right about unkillable champions. Yuumi just needs her numbers nerfed.
I also had a game and in the late game against Yuumi/Sivir, sivir was also unkillable, Yuumi Slows with Q late game and damage are ridiculous, Yuumi had 6 straight items, including rabadons,mikaels, redemption and items that do buffer her shields and heals and it took us almost an hour to finish the game and finnaly pick sivir and kill her when she had such a protective support and she also had qss that it made the game almost impossible to play because we did have a lot of cc but all the heals and shiels and speeds and cc removals were way too obnoxious to deal and we did try to punish sivir's overxtensions and positioning but yet it felt impossible because she just got healed back to full health.. Yuumi will sooner or later be nerfed to the ground when people start picking her in pro play. She has almost no play in pro play because she is most of the time banned because pros do know how that champion is easily abused by players that do know how to user her to max potencial and the fact that reaching max potencial with that champ isnt hard thats what makes the game so unfun because almost everyone can press on or two keys and heal back the ADC or the champions in quesiton,in your case yasuo. He is a professional players and I did not get your thing between video game and toy.. I see you were trying to draft a line between pro play and solo Q but you gotta admit that most of the changes made are based on pro play and what pros feel like is overpowered and what riot see's on overpowered in pro play. If the champion is almost banned every game in pro-play then something is wrong and when the champions goes through its almost everytime a win, something is wrong for sure. He is a pro player and his opinion is more valid and more important to a certain extent, because riot will more easily listen to him than to us normal players. Remember that he also used to be a "normal player" and now he does that for a living so he has been through what we are now going and he knows how valid his opinions is towards changes.Of course there are some champions that in normal play are better than in pro play that is totally normal but its mostly over-complicated picks like Ryze, Zed, that require a certain play style. In your daily solo Q games you can easily pick whatever you feel like, for ex. Zed, that is a champion that has to get lane priority, has to dominate the lane and be a good influence towards the other lanes, but in pro play that is easily countered by good jungle control towards midlane and a safe pick midlane with good wave clear. Zed if he doesnt get a lead will most likely be useless, because the champ has no good wave clear. In pro play people often put him on a side lane to create pressure since its a champions capable of 1v1'ing any other champion, but its a complex play of style because requires all the team to be in sync, and the champ doesnt bring much for a team fight, that for ex. an Urgot would. I think this was the line you were trying to draft between pro and solo Q, and what he says I think applies to normal play, because I agree with everything he said and I do relate, and you can't forget that he not only was once a normal player but he also does play soloQ so he has the chance to experience both sides of the coin. Im really enjoying the conversation we're having and I sense we are going somewhere with this.
: To be honest, I do dislike Yuumi as a champion. She is too twee and childish for this game, even with the assortment of characters we already have running around Summoner's Rift. She is too cutesy and out of place - like if they added Kid Icarus to Mortal Combat 11. Yuumi's character design just seems a bit at odds to the murderfest that is LoL. Just seems like pandering to me. That all said, her playstyle is absolutely fine. Was wondering when they'd add an Io/Abathur-style champion to the game, and really, for all the dislike I have for her character design, she does _kind of_ fit into the role her playstyle conveys.
I do agree that she has no place in this game and like the pro player Meteos said in one interview: "Yuumi is everything I hate about league, its like Ivern, you can't kill her and just spams shields and heals..." Couldnt agree more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4CYxrW8Dfo 6:40 is where he talks about her. PS: Remember that its a pro player talking about the champ and how unfun the game is when she's around. If he says so and he plays the game for a living its because im probably not wrong at all.
: ok, let's say that he's so strong . Isn't Urgot/WW/Vi/Hecarim ? the most weak of this list is hecarim. He just go in teamfight get the carry down with his E than R the whole enemy and boom teamfight is done . Rhaast is strong in teamfight too...
Well you're wrong there, the strongest ATM is Hecarim and/or Urgot... Why is WW even there? Vi is ok
Câstiél (EUW)
: Okay then, let's let numbers speak: Yuumis heal on lvl5: Min - 70 + 10% AP --> 140 + 20% AP Max - 140 + 40% AP --> 280 + 80% AP Second value is twi casts right after each other, which leaves you with 28 seconds until the max amount of heal is ready again (280 + 80% AP). And she can only heal herself **or**the one atached to, not both. Sorakas heal on lvl5: 200 + 60% AP every 2 seconds has high costs with 10% max life of her own Sona: Heal - 110 + 25% AP Shield 125 + 30% AP Every 6 seconds Nami: 160 + 30% AP every 10 seconds Bounces up to two times, being 85% (+7,5% every 100 AP) effective I'll let taric out of this. But now, you can see every heal has pros and cons currently. Yuumis comes at a relatively high CD, so if you hardengage her team, it's pretty hard to heal back up. I'm still not saying Yuumi isn't strong or anything because she simply is. But she's not OP, hardly even too strong. In lane her heal is relatively weak, she can't heal everything back up like you started in the thread. She's got weaknesses, ways to counter and sorry, but I'm not talking about first time Yuumis either, cause these suck ass. But in the right hand she's strong, and there's no problem with that at all. I really don't want to have a discussion based on elo though. If you want to discuss on that your smurf has a good winrate and shit, your main does have a 47% winrate after 215 games. Not saying that you're bad, you're surely a lot better than I am (given that Season 7/8 you were D1/D2), but I think you overreacted with your thread since: > I just came from a very fustrating game where I almost felt like punching my own PC for how bad this game has become in terms of champion designs Many people find you Yuumi fun. Maybe she deserves a nerf, but it's definitely not bad champion design. And I still don't even think she needs a nerf, her winrate Diamond+ is on 45% right now (while when played 50+ games her WR goes up to 52,3% which is totally fine, since with that she's on rank 115 on the wr by experience). Just give it more time and see how things will turn out. Ohh and btw, a good thresh for example should be able to disrupt a Yuumi before jumping on a teammate again. It all comes down to skill. For example a D1 Thresh and a D1 Yuumi, both are likely to have a chance of "outplaying" each other.
Why are you only talking about the heals. She does deserve some tweaks on her kit, the dash when she goes onto an ally is way too fast for you to even try to disrupt, you can try but it will prob be a 1/25 chance you do it.The latest champs are more colorful and almost have nothing to do with the game and you can barely see how they would make sense lore-wise. Its difficult for foresee what will be her place in the game. You gotta see that the problem might not be Yummi herself but all the interactions she can have with different ally champions and how she can boost them, but that would likely be a direct nerf to the champion in question and not Yuumi. For ex. Hecarim, master yi, etc..Yuumi Boosts hecarim in such a way that makes the game almost unfun to play, that was the main problem in that game, I did get annoyed with the heals she got in lane, but I could easily surpass that and we even killed the laners several times, the problem was the fact that hecarim while being 1/3, with Yummi , not only the stats that Yummi gives him, the heals, the dive combined with CC from Yuumi makes the game unbalanced and unfun to play, its like playing against Lulu Master Yi, but you can easily punish the Lulu and try to focus her so she can't be as useful towards Yi and therefore focus Yi right after, now if you place Yi with Yuumi, you can't target her, she boosts Yi with ad and heals, Yi already has an untargetable ability with Q, that is quite unfun to play against because Yuumi's ult and the way it works almost works as peel for yi since she CC's the enemies that are trying to go on Yi. I dont know if you understand what I'm saying. Its a champ that probably needs no nerfs or whatever but needs tweaks because she interacts differently with some champions, making the game unbalanced and that would require either a specific change with every champion she attaches to or nerfing the specific champion which would make them way weaker than they already are if you know what I'm saying.
: TL;DR, I read the first sentence. and give me a reason to lie to someone like you just to prove my point ? and yeah I have family problems. My account was banned and I got permabanned once . My brother stopped league then I took his account last year and played only normals . He passed away this year. and to be honest to say that I'm a disgusting person to say that prove nothing . Its about me and that's a personal stuff to do. I got many accounts that I forgot its IGNs. And the accounts I remember are "PzyXo and stormpitch0597". The rest forgotten. PS : I read your reply full after that ^ and this is what I wanna say > I doubt you have more than 500 Kayn games unless proven. yep I can't prove it . I have 4 years on this game and I have many accounts so I can't prove it. > Love how you just said in '' Delete Please'' after starting your reply the way you did, just proves that you replied with no objetive and you had no argument to present but you had to reply anyways. Nah, yep I didn't prove that Kayn is weak. Just the way he ganks is weak. That make him have to farm all game and fast counter gank. the only way to gank is to use E behind the enemy when they are pushing and I think in Plat/Diamond ranks adcs and supports are much better than silvers which _**PLAY SAFE WHEN KAYN IS THE ENEMY JUNGLER **_ because they know if he don't transform he's shit. > Loved this sentence where you refered to my rank and said you could surpass me and that im getting carried by my friends. > Boy first of all if you are a smart individual you would look at Champ winrates, If I wanted to climb I would play jungle which is my main role.This is a smurf account that I use to play SPECIALY midlane and NOT to CLIMB in solo duo but to play with friends on flex 5x5 since all of them are gold/plat. You can't really call me kid when i've been playing this game for almost 9 Years and peaked Masters, do you think I care about try harding? I just play for fun 5x5 and im trying to be as useful as I can towards community feedback, thats what this is. Mb sorry for that > Now with all those excuses that you presented you just make me think that you either got boosted or bought the account and that itself is a huge thing that can be punished by riot if they want to look into it, but im not pointing fingers. You prob just got lucky and found success with Kayn that has a overpowered redform atm. I won't respond to the first thing you said because I have nothing to say to someone like you about my account. But about being booster. Do you really think I'm bad asf to be stuck on silver ? Lol nah, if you see my games yeah I goes up with my mains "Darius/Zed/Kayn/Jax" and I was bored from them so I started playing other champs. Like yesterday I tried to play some lee sin for fun in normals so I won't ruin my ranked team's games . and yeah idc that much about ranked since **_IDC ABOUT ANOTHER GOLDEN SKIN_** in my collection. But I'll get to gold in case the next skin is for one of my mains :) > What I find about your reply is a straight personal attack because you have no arguments against my facts and opinions so you go to such a level as using ad hominem as a way of defense and argument.This not only is present in all your reply but most obviously towards the end where you almost try to force me to delete my thread that I have the right to do and share my opinion and change my IGN. Man you're wrong and downvotes prove that. Idk how you think but Kayn is weak trust me . People play Vi/Warwick/Hecarim can just focus you in teamfight and you're done . Specially with a team that only press R like Jinx/Lux which do nothing except pressing R to steal kills . But if you go 1/10 in 10 mins and you complain about him ? Idk but you know that he'll rekt you for sure
Well if you dont give me evidences I can't trust what a random person on the Internet tells me.. thats how it works , I need solid proves, I can also say that someone died and make up an excuse... I knew you were perma banned just by your attitude towards me. Maybe thats why you bought that acc hehe xd. You just said that people can play focus champions and focus Kayn, man, we are talking about red kayn and not blue, he isnt that squishy to get bursted down by vi/warwick/hecarim and even if he's low, he ults and gets all hp back and just wasted a bunch of CD's from the enemy team, not to talk about that he prob gets death's dance.. :)
Câstiél (EUW)
: What I want to say first: Please come back down to earth. You're only Gold yourself, you're nowhere near high elo. And before you're telling me that UMADBRAHHHHH is only a smurf (which seems to be stuck in Gold since S7), link your other accounts. And now to Yuumi (it's right, she's calles Yuumi not Yummi) - yes she's pretty solid right now, but certainly not OP. She doesn't heal more in lategame than other supports, period. And no: >and if you bring correct runes your heal is way more powerful than many other supports This is not correct. Any other support can use those "correct runes" to which you're referring too. On top of this, her CD on heal is 14s on lvl5 (not including CDR), with two stacks. even with both stacks used instantly she heals for 240(+80% AP), which other supports can top. And she's punishable. I've been playing a lot against Yuumi with a friend in lane, and you can block her going back into someone quite okayish, depending on the Yuumi player. If you do, she's done. Too squishy too survive being not untargetable. Also I've noticed she has trouble when being engaged hard and direct - since it's kind of easy to dodge her ult when being on top of her and her ADC.
https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=UnknownSwede And yep you're talking about depending on the Yummi players, we are not talking about first time Yummi's , im talking about people that actually put some time on the champ and know how to abuse her . :) And if you are actually a smart person, even this so called "Gold" Account that you say I am, if you look at winrates and games played every season you know its obviously a smurf.. how the hell would I have plat 1 mmr on solo duo and gaining 33 Lp's per games and being gold? I just dont want to climb on this acc on solo duo, thats why most of my games are flex and im placed against Diamond 3 players in flex... Her heals are absurd late game when she has 2 Stacks
: First, Chill kiddo. The last seasons that account was my brother's and he passed away. 2nd, I'm playing in many many many many accounts . So I have like 500 or more games with Kayn :) 3rd, If you're in that rank which is above silver by 3 ranks, and you're like that ? Delete please. 4th, I don't play ranked so much and I mostly play normals. Idk what getting ranked up reward me so idc. 5th, you're only Gold. Nothing much. If I pick my KAYN and go and tryhard for 1 week I may surpass you. and about ranked flex ? I'm sure you're getting carried by your friends that's why you're platinium 6th, If you wanna make a thread like that, and get too much downvotes. Lol, YOU ARE WRONG. If Kayn is too balanced that he's the most pure champion in the game. WTF ? If I was you I would delete that thread and change my IGN.
Ill be pretty straight forward. Thats pretty disgusting of you to use the excuse that your brother passed away because I dont believe thats true and I think you are a disgusting human being to use that excuse , sorry but I have to say it, unless something in contrary is proven. I doubt you have more than 500 Kayn games unless proven. Love how you just said in '' Delete Please'' after starting your reply the way you did, just proves that you replied with no objetive and you had no argument to present but you had to reply anyways. Another excuse by our dear friend by saying he doesnt play ranked much but yet has such a nice winrate on the champ I call busted, and by the last sentence of this line he says that "Idk what getting ranked up reward me so idc" proving that he doesn't know much about the game and doesn't know he does get rewards if placed gold or above. Loved this sentence where you refered to my rank and said you could surpass me and that im getting carried by my friends. Boy first of all if you are a smart individual you would look at Champ winrates, If I wanted to climb I would play jungle which is my main role.This is a smurf account that I use to play SPECIALY midlane and NOT to CLIMB in solo duo but to play with friends on flex 5x5 since all of them are gold/plat. You can't really call me kid when i've been playing this game for almost 9 Years and peaked Masters, do you think I care about try harding? I just play for fun 5x5 and im trying to be as useful as I can towards community feedback, thats what this is. Now with all those excuses that you presented you just make me think that you either got boosted or bought the account and that itself is a huge thing that can be punished by riot if they want to look into it, but im not pointing fingers. You prob just got lucky and found success with Kayn that has a overpowered redform atm. Downvotes in my opinion dont mean nothing, If I wanted to get good upvotes I would probably post this on Reddit where 80% of the people aren't either butthurt kayn mains or that aren't low elo that they cant see whats wrong..You are just a delusional kid by saying that Kayn is balanced and the most pure champion is the game that is a blatant lie and excuse from a Kayn main, and I know you are just protecting your champion from the nerf hammer, but it will come sooner or later. What I find about your reply is a straight personal attack because you have no arguments against my facts and opinions so you go to such a level as using _ad hominem_ as a way of defense and argument.This not only is present in all your reply but most obviously towards the end where you almost try to force me to delete my thread that I have the right to do and share my opinion and change my IGN. PS: Unpopular opinion: You probably play in "many many many accounts" because you're probably banned in some of them because I do sense some toxicity in the way you abord people. Why are people taking it so serious when its all about Yummi? XX
: "Red Kayn going full ad oneshot" that proved that all this thread is about Kayn... you're just so bad to think that Rhaast is that OP. He's literally the most balanced champion of all...
Sorry, but thats quite well what a Kayn main would say, and if im bad, then what are you doing in Silver 4 when you were Bronze all past seasons and now that you started playing Kayn all of a sudden you have a 82% w/r on Kayn in 33 games and such a good KDA?. Im sorry but if you dont want your little main nerfed just because you go back to bronze, thats not my fault, its probably because you do belong in there. Thats how it works, i did not mean to hurt your feelings, its just reality. You either got boosted to silver or you doing pretty well with kayn all of a sudden its prob the champ is overpowered.. Yet I do feel bad being called bad by a silver 4 when im almost 3 Whole Ranks above you and of course my opinion does become more valuable since I do play vs better Kayn mains and I see and I've played that champ and I know how tank the champ becomes and obnoxious it is on red form when he heals a lot from basic abilities, has crazy mobility, deals crazy damage full ad and yet is in red form,tank as hell because its red form, ult heals a lot. The champ was designed to duel tank champions but yet oneshots everyone :p. Maybe the right thing was to nerf red kayn instead of buffing blue.
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: so you went orianna jarvan bot vs ezreal yuumi and complain about it? rofl its pretty much a 2v1 lane with some poke from yuumi... as for the heals any other healing champion can do that, well no, any other healing champ have better heals than yuumi >Yummi thows her floating Q that is practicly undodgeable and its really hard to control, go play her and youll see >not to talk about the fact that she wastes no mana on doing it and its spammable what are you talking about? its 65 mana if i remember correctly... >Why not just turning it into a skillshot? it is, if she is alone and not attached to someone >Another point is the fact that she can spam In and Out of a champion whenever she wants once again you are wrong... she can spam going around IN champions, but she does have a 10 sec cd once she is detaching from someone >I dont want to be that guy turning people's days into misery by picking a champ that im unconfortable playing with or against because the champ is just not fair and has little to no room to punish unless the guy she was attached dies.. i read that as: im just not even trying to understand the champion and its abilities so riot should just delete it from the game and let me play something that i played a lot >Soraka loses health when healing, is squishy, and people's way to punish the champion is by focusing it, now Yummi, the champion heals even more than soraka, is also squishy but rarely is out, loses no health healing, and her E not only heals her but also the champions she's attached to. if you say soraka is squishy then you really didnt saw yuumi... she literally CAN die from minions if she comes out to auto champs... she heals less than soraka, and her heal heals only the champion she is attached to OR herself if she is out, NOT BOTH... >Please dissable Yummi for a while and re-think some options and tweaks on the champion and release or atleast show the people how you guys could change the champions and minor tweaks. i have a better idea: why dont YOU play a few matches with her against bots to see her weaknesses/strenghts then come back here and share your experiences AFTER you know what you are talking about...
1. We actually won all trades to a certain extent that we even had lane priority.. Once she reached a certain point she became unbearable to play against. And you can think that its a 2v1 lane but it isnt, talking its easy but it can be a 2v1 lane in silver but in plat/diamond people can play that champion correctly and actually have a brain and can abuse the crap out of the champ. And nope, her heals are way too overpowered for the champion she is since she loses no health and if you bring correct runes your heal is way more powerful than many other supports. It may not be slightly spammable but still overpowered. 2. Its not hard to control, i've tried it and if you miss the first time you can still have some time to go ''around'' with the skillshot and hit you behind your minions and hit you.. 3. 60 mana for a 400 base mana champion that has only 2 mana reliant abilities..? and she only leaves it at 1 point. 4. I know what she does when she's not attached and how her Q works OUT. 5. She can spam in and out .. at lvl 1 its 10 Secs but becomes 5 at 6 and 0 at 11.. think about it. 6. Im not telling anyone to delete the champion, im presenting my opinion and/or ideas to change some things about the champion and turn it into a better thing imo... 7. Yet, she heals both with E if she's inside, yep dunno if you read but I said that she is squishy but if she comes out and you try to punish her she just goes back In again.. :) 8. Man i've played that champion a ton of times in my smurf accounts and I even think its not balanced... And playing against bots doesnt show the capability of the champ. If you can't play or don't see a decent Yummi in Silver please climb up and watch how the champ is abusable and played in higher ranks..or watch streams.
: Ok so you are making a rant about Yuumi...Ok i might be Iron but i know a few things about the game.. 1. Yummi is countered by pretty much any pull/grab support(Nautilus, Blitz, Tresh, Leona exc). 2. Her Q deals increased damage longer it travels(Same as Zoe) 3. She is pretty reliant on the placement of the player she is attached to so if you play agressive against the same payer it makes her harder to hit the Q's. 4.Her heal is not that big early game...And also..If she is attached to an ally she only heals that ally...so if you force her to be low(again by using grabbing support)..You can pretty much force her to recall.. Soo..yeah...That would be some things i know about Yuumi...Correct me if i am wrong on any of these....
Well its not that simple and putting that on paper seems easy but playing vs a mobile adc doesnt make it easy for pull and grab supports or agressive supports like leona. You can't compare zoe to yummi when yummi's Q is not the same since you can control it so easily that its almost undodgeable..Her Q damage is too big early game and so is the heal with 2/3 points even losing the lane... You can force her low and try to punish her more but her E as for as I know heals both champions..
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