King Lego (EUNE)
: The problem with the League community is that, if an enemy Is doing poorly, the team will honor opponent for doing poorly. However, if the enemy team goes 30/4/12, the team will even refuse to honor the person or respect that he hard carried or was fed or something. Maybe even report as "he got fed and we lost because it. F this guy. Ban him rito. He doesn't deserve to carry and win." Even if honor opponent and honor ally are not same, the honor opponent will be abused for the wrong reasons.
I don't understand why there is that concept of "Enemy/team mate played poorly" instead of "teammate/enemy played better"
Trazh xD (EUW)
: Irelia <3
Better nerf Irelia
: But it is the case. All champs have 45-55% winrate.
You understand how much less is 5% in a game like LoL right?
: > they are the only ones that have 6 champions with over 14% play rate Guess why? Because 60% of the adc roster has been literally unplayable since 8.11. > with a costant 50% (or higher) on every champion Of course they are all hovering around 50% winrate when 5 different adc's are playing against each other every game. One of them has to win.
And? with this logic all champions should have 50% but this is not the case
Father Tios (EUNE)
: Because adc's aren't supposed to be strong. And you should start playing apc's instead. That's why they have been constantly buffed lmao. Oh look, rabba now gives an additional 10% ap. Oh look, sorc shoes flat mpene increased. Guess who gets %%%%ed by that, btw? The class that is already the weakest. Good %%%%ing job guys. They are literally trying to make adc's the new support.
Adcs crying about their class when they are the only ones that have 6 champions with over 14% play rate with a costant 50% (or higher) on every of these champion
: Why can't Jhin have a keystone?
It was just a bug fix- quit whining they didn't nerf anything
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: So this thread isn't as much about community Katarina hatred, but more about communities unwillingness for Katarina reverts. Yes, she does have infinite resets, but she's more predictable, more manageable. I also find the wish to have 0 or very low cast time on her shunpo unfair. League with champion reworks and overall in upcoming new champions is putting more delays in their kits and in this kind of world a 0 cast time dash is very broken.
Leblanc? 0 cast time Fizz? 0 cast time Zed? 0 cast time akali? 0 cast time Evelynn? 1 cast time but she is invisible so whenever it is fully charged she could be even behind you Nocturne? 0 cast time Shaco? I think just W but when he gets duskblade it doesn't matter that much Rengar? 0 cast time Talon? 0 cast time, he can do all of his combo in less than a second actually Kha'zix? 0 cast time Kassadin? 0 cast time 99% of the assassins have no cast time Katarina has 4/4 cast time spells, one CC can destroy her combo, unhealthy powerspike due to gunblade, free resets that don't feel rewarding. Also an assassin being predictable is against the nature of assassins, the should... assassinate people, LoL is the only game where assassins get treated with so much hate for no reasons at all just because they do her job, and I also blame the overbuffing of ignite, exhaust isn't picked anymore and it denies so hard assassins
: > Shaco is in list for another rework, most of the shaco mains didn't like the rework. The last rework wasn’t final... exact same with swain, aatrox, and akali they received mini reworks in order to help stabilise them and get them to a semi decent spot while a full rework was worked on. Kata was reworked into her final state as she didn’t need larger work So has nothing to do with the shaco mains... honestly when deciding about reworks mains aren’t a good source... too much bias. > Warwick is in a balanced perfect status, pre-rework you couldn't gank pre-6 now you can actually be useful, but at least it is not abused as it was when released. But his point still stands... Kata is more successful and more popular than Warwick therefore trying to use those statistics isn’t a valid argument if you’ve got a double standard. > Rammus was buffed a few patches ago, for no reasons since his win rate was around 50% but whatever. Rammus is a champion heavily reliant on resistances... the recent anti tank changes has screwed him over royally hence his buff... changes to IE alone seriously hurts his ability to do his job. ___ Win rate and play rates aren’t good indicators... especially in this situation. Kat mains have a very healthy win rate, and every single champion should be balanced around their mains not players losing due to inexperience.... that’s just common sense. So Kata is doing fine in that regard. And her play rate is above average... with 141 champion in the game the average play rate is 0.71ish... that would be if every champion was played equally. With a play rate of 2% Kata has effectively triple the average play rate. That’s good, and shows that she is a popular champion who isn’t just played by devout mains (as that would have a play rate below the average)
So let's leave shaco already from there and that's a -1 Warwick has a really delicate kit that needs to be used correctly to be effective especially in this meta of champions being able to do tons of damage picking even runes as Glacial Augment, WW isn't a mechanical complex champion to play but as every champion (but the busted ones *coffcoff* graves-kindred and all that garbage in these patches *coffcoff*) needs good timing and knowledge of the kit. -2 Rammus has such a toxic playstyle that I think people would rather see him at a 50% win rate where he struggles rather than have him run at ADC taunt and be dead ( pre {{item:3139}} ) -3 Katarina is an hard champion to pick up , hard to play and to master, with a high-risk-low-reward at her current status.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: I actually don't think there's any hate towards current Katarina, at least it's surprisingly low. But there are a lot of Katarina players asking for Katarina revert, which people REALLY don't wanna because that was pure BS.
I think the actual Katarina is more BS she gets free resets for doing basically nothing, old Katarina if she did something wrong was pretty much dead
: e+ gunblade + r = dead ADC in 0.3sec
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=VizuaLzFlow Rawr,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Fq0sse6o,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-09T22:23:54.458+0000) > > Look at her play rate, just OTPs can play her correctly Do you think Shaco, Warwick and Rammus needs a buff or "QoL changes"? In Master+, Shaco has 56.2% win rate with 3.2% pick rate. Kat has 60.3% win rate with 2.7% pick rate. In Dia+, WW has 53.4% win rate with 2.6% pick rate. Kat has 53.8% win rate with 3.8% pick rate. In Plat+, Rammus 53.4% win rate with 4.1% pick rate. Kat has 52.4% win rate with 4.6% pick rate. As you can see, there are champions that do well in in each high elo that has "low" pick rate. If there more than 40 mid laners, any pick rate above 2.5% is actually above the expected average of 2.5%.
Shaco is in list for another rework, most of the shaco mains didn't like the rework. Warwick is in a balanced perfect status, pre-rework you couldn't gank pre-6 now you can actually be useful, but at least it is not abused as it was when released. Rammus was buffed a few patches ago, for no reasons since his win rate was around 50% but whatever.
Eveninn (EUW)
: So would you say Ryze also needs changes because people are struggling to get into him? .-.
YES, revert him to Ryze 2.0, it was the most balanced Ryze, the one with the bouncing E and no bullshit ultimate spells
: Still the same champion. And i did describe the current katarina's design. >It’s worth calling out that in a few cases, such as with Katarina, we actually break our own rule. This is intentionally done, and it’s a unique strength that the champ should have to give up other things to have. In this case, Katarina sacrifices single target assassination potential and on-demand aggressive mobility compared to Zed, who has much less AoE output. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/04/ask-riot-kaisas-v-neck-suit/ There was even an Ask Riot topic touching it.
Problem is that with {{item:3148}} you pretty much want to kill a person, wait his CD and repeat. katarina without the slow+damage from the gunblade is pretty much a minion, just champions without mobility are in danger and nowadays almost every champion has a mobility-spell or a hard CC to be able to cut her combo
Eveninn (EUW)
: And then there is Annie and there is Ryze. .-. Some champs will always be easier, but that's no reason to change the harder ones. <.<
Ryze is actually hard to play, Annie... well it's natural that they will balance her for being sub 50% win rate considered how easy she is to play
Eveninn (EUW)
: I feel a bit too out of touch with her to have an opinion on that, but I'm sure there are a lot of kata mains who really enjoy the current version too. .-.
Kata reddit is actually (more or less) split in half in people that wants her reverted and people that want QoL changes for her
Eveninn (EUW)
: I don't think that's wrong though, she is hard to play, but there are many champs like that. .-.
I mean other assassins as I said before do 1k damage in the matter of a second and are more "noob" friendly than Kata is, while she actually has hard mechanics to learn
: >All the other assassins do what Kata does in a much more faster (and sometimes un-healthier way) This is actually the problem. You do not actually understand her design. She is an assassin yes, but she is not meant for killing people one on one like pretty much every other assassin. She is designed to sacrifice high single target damage for high aoe damage. She is much better than other assassins when there are multiple opponents in the fight because of her aoe capabilities and resets. What happens when she gets more damage to more reliably kill a single target? she gets easier resets, which means more kills which also means more aoe damage which means unhealthy gameplay. Right now, she is still perfectly viable when played by someone who has put in the time to learn her. That's how hard champions should be. Instead, they all tend to turn into Azirs that become bad no matter who is playing them. As a final note, you are asking for quality of life changes but you aren't even attempting to suggest what those changes should be. What is in her kit that needs that qol change?
You just described old Katarina's style, she had to wait the perfect timing to get in a fight and wipe as many people as possible, because she had no way out if she fcked up (E resets)
Eveninn (EUW)
: I can only put a guess, and I personally don't particullary mind playing against any specific champion other than those I can't really understand yet. Kata is a lot more flexible than other assassins, and those a lot less predictable. (Probably also hard to play) I think it's mostly due to ehr E resets. Kata can dash a lot more, and a lot more quickly and to a lot more target then most others. Talon? All he can really do is to Q onto me, which basically gives me a free skillshot hit if he even dares to. Zed? His W is flexible, but he can only use it once and then it's on CD. It also feels like he has a fair bit of delay on all of his stuff when trying to swap after or throw Qs. His ult is quite predictable again and I can take countermeassures. Akali? Her only pre 6 dash is usually away from me, then either directly onto me or I might have even sidestepped it. Her ult has a long CD and has a delay between both jumps. (basically showing me that after she uses the first, she has her execute available soon and I can very much expect it.) etc, I think you get the point. Meanwhile, Kata starts planting a few daggers in the lane. So far so good, I can just avoid those. But suddendly the spots they end up in become a lot more awkward and I have to drop minions or get dangerously close to them. (Let alone that Kata can jump onto any spot of the dagger's area, not just the dead middle, giving her passive a lot of range tbh) And what's the more annoying part, once she does end up jumping onto a dagger, it is instant and I couldn't expect it. Now she's closer than I want her to be, I can't throw out a skillshot right now cus she focuses on dodging it and has no telegraphed direction, and after a small amount of time she has her dash available again, making it directly impossible to hit her. That might just be my unfamiliarity against the champion, but only Yasuo gives me a similar helpless feeling where I can't really find a spot to punish them in. :( However, Kata does have the whole... 'ult pretty useless in 1v1 situations', either cus of CC, or I remember often enough just bursting her while in her ult. But it makes her a lot stronger than other assassins for teamfights so maybe this whole idea of comparing her to assassins is silly anyway. <.< -------------- Uhhmm... I might have gone a bit off-track, sowwi. I don't think people actually get triggered. But I think it is sorta our job to challenge the idea presented in a thread. (at least of those about balancing.) If someone said 'buff suggestion for kassa' or such I'm sure it would find a similar opposition. ^^ Edit: and of course the whole thing of... another assassins may pick your carry out of a fight. If kata pops of she deletes 3/5ths of your team. Feels a lot more noticable even if it's not necessariely stronger.
I seriously think at this point Katarina should be reworked once again, katarina mains are frustrated to play the new one (most of them) and is hard / awkward to learn for people that want an AP assassin in their roaster. And to be honest I think the most unhealthy part of her kit is the resets on the E and daggers system in general, old Kata had a much more rewarding playstile if you got reset and get %%%%ed up if you didn't
: There is one thing no other Assassin can do what Katarina does: her resets on kills and assists. Combine that with that her damage is largely AoE, she has no mana and a targeted blink, not dash, for lots of people, that is too much to deal with. Also I guess lots of ppl still remember her from her instant combos without prepared daggers. However, her kit is just not fit for competitive viability. Kassadin is. So they buffed him from not seeing any competitive play until he could see some.
She is as well the easiest champ to counter at the moment, you exactly know where she will shunpo to deal damage, I legit never lost a lane when someone picked Kata into me, she is way too easy to counter in lane and avoid roams thanks to wards :\
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Master +: 60.3% Dia +: 53.8% Plat +: 52.5% Gold: 51.4% Silver: 49.1% It isn't the champion's fault if one needs to be in Gold+ to be expected to have positive win rate with her. Katarina's win rate isn't below 49% in the elos Riot's balance is based on. She needs no changes in her current state.
Also again we aren't asking for buffs but QoL changes that is different
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Master +: 60.3% Dia +: 53.8% Plat +: 52.5% Gold: 51.4% Silver: 49.1% It isn't the champion's fault if one needs to be in Gold+ to be expected to have positive win rate with her. Katarina's win rate isn't below 49% in the elos Riot's balance is based on. She needs no changes in her current state.
Look at her play rate, just OTPs can play her correctly
Infernape (EUW)
: The QoL changes Kat mains want _ARE_ buffs. IE reducing her Shunpo's cast time or making her dagger speed increase with level. On top of the fact that statistically she isn't actually under performing and the fact that Kat is one of the few assassins that are capable of wiping entire teams through resetting AoE damage. Why would Riot make changes when she isn't performing badly? It just leads to shit like Ahri having a 54%+ win rate for patches on end.
The reducing dagger fall time was a Scarra's idea. What we asked was: Remove shunpo cast time (0.2 seconds are enough to make her feel weird while using it), remove AD scalings or gunblade from the game since 2 champions build it and it gives a too high power spike for no reasons and rebalances the kit around it.
Rioter Comments
King Lego (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=VizuaLzFlow Rawr,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AnQZ1x3I,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-07T22:08:01.988+0000) > > yeah but it is Europe, in Europe we don&#x27;t have Arabic as an official language. Well we asked for Arabic servers, but they explained that the infrastructure is too complex or the server might not have enough players to support it. Something like that, I don't understand about things like this...
Basically the player base isn't high enough to offer server that would make it worth $$$
Leobola (EUW)
: Wards are too easy to kill right now
And guess why it is like that? *coffcoff*competitive play*coffcoff*
King Lego (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=VizuaLzFlow Rawr,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=AnQZ1x3I,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-07T20:32:59.549+0000) > > I don&#x27;t think they will do it, especially, in which region shall they do it? EUW and EUNE have got enough Arabs. Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. They are pretty much the only servers we have access to with best ping options for us.
yeah but it is Europe, in Europe we don't have Arabic as an official language.
King Lego (EUNE)
: Arabic in League
I don't think they will do it, especially, in which region shall they do it?
: Please notice, that you reach the attack speed cap extremely fast. I would suggest 2 AS items + Berserkers and then crit or ap
With these 4 items you get around 2.34
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: Kai'Sa jungle
{{item:1419}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3091}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3022}} {{item:3006}} / {{item:3111}} / {{item:3047}} I'd go like that and run on runes: Precision: 1-2-1-1 domination: 0-3-1 With ravenous hunter you heal from all on hit passives
Airbend (EUNE)
: Ironicly, they making it more toxic that way.Instead of shitt taliking in chat, people are straight soft int and troll to release there anger and frustration.
SoRePa (EUW)
: How about nefring damage?
Yey, midlaner even switched to glacial augment because there is way too much damage anyway
: 14 day ban because I got trolled
Riot doesn't give a %%%% if you soft-int -troll they only care to make their game less toxic
: So if i become a famous streamer i will get free skins and things from merch?
: She is skillfull... she has got a high skill ceiling, a lot of fast paced dodging, keeping track of Q reset opportunities, and using her W correctly. Her win rate goes from 49% to 55% the more you play her... which shows that she is a skilful champion as her win rate goes from sub 50 to 55 with games played. So she is skilful and fully deserves to be on the list... if you are having issues with her perhaps it’s you not applying the correct counter play making irelia’s life braindead easy than her actually being easy.
Literally have been playing her on the other account and had 7 games 6 wins, she isn't difficult at all
DaWolfer (EUW)
: Need 10 bans on twisted treeline
Agreed, there are way too many champions to ban 6 aren't enough
Rioter Comments
: LOL coin?
I didn't understand a word so: No
fivos007 (EUNE)
: Do something with kasilta
You can buy a spear for 0 gold and switch partner :\
Akaśhí (EUNE)
: You forgot about {{champion:51}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:18}} Overall every adc that can rush Stormrazor and do good is viable tho
Tristana has the lowest win ratio, don't put Vayne here unless d3+
Not Rat (EUW)
: Odyssey 4 Augs
: I’m pretty much a sion one trick (70% win rate at S2) so I’d say if you know how to play sion you can definitely do well with him (he is one of the few top laner with a strong roaming presence with his ult it’s pretty easy to influence a game with him). Besides that your prob looking at a champion who is able to get fed and carry a game reliably... I’d recommend avoiding tanks for the time as they aren’t good for carrying (You can if you are good with them... but it’s much harder). {{champion:266}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:83}} are the champions who I’d say can carry pretty straightforwardly especially at low elo... If you want something skilful then {{champion:266}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:157}} are prob the ones you wanna look at... but remember no shame in picking garen for an easy win. But be warned, “I want to practise a champ really well so i could stomp every match up.” That ain’t realistic... all the champions have bad match ups, all the ones I’ve mentioned have bad match ups, some have match ups your just not gonna win (that’s what you use your bans on)... so you won’t ever stomp every match up, but you can do as best as you can in every match up (so not stomping in bad or impossible match ups but surviving or going even in them is just as good). Hope this help
Remove Irelia from skillfull right now she is a braindead champion in everything
: Buff mid lane Taliyah
Q deals 50% damage to jungle monsters for the first 4 ranks of the spell, buff the damage, put the AoE Back, there you have mid Taliyah again And still, I'm not a member of the balancing team lul
Rioter Comments
: >I got permabanned after writing an Annie "You are shit" You insulted another player and you wonder why you got banned ?
I got the chatlogs of 3 games, asked to Riot for explanation and they came out just for this as a reason to "permaban", so basically reporting randomly can get someone banned if you say a random bad words
: I like the voting system, but I don't like how you use the voting system as 'proof'. To get a real proof, first proof that the sample the voting system used is representative for the whole community. I bet you can't, so don't revert her {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: I dont get the whole AD removal thingie... she only builds gunblade with AD and always goes AP. also old kata would have her Q bounce over 4-5 people/minions... now she has 1 dagger from Q and 1 dagger from E... idk how she had "less" mobility before, but {{champion:33}} Finally that last sentence... "Kata doesn't really build CDR". She's probably one of the very few champions who doesn't build it. An assassin who doesnt need to build CDR, because she has it flat in her kit (not even %) feels bad to play against. From the katarina player POV might be fun. From the whole community who has to play against it... its not fun. You know akali and zoe? For the people who play the champions, they are super fun. But whenever you ask the people who face them "they are OP... NERF! DELETE! RITO SUCKS!" and yet on Plat+ Kata has a 49% win rate, while zoe has 46.3% and akali 44.8%...
Because it has no sense to exist, she loses a lot because her whole kit is balanced around gunblade, not buying it first items it means you lose A LOT of burst
Fat Bowser (EUNE)
: i think we are better of removing the champion all together
: I like the voting system, but I don't like how you use the voting system as 'proof'. To get a real proof, first proof that the sample the voting system used is representative for the whole community. I bet you can't, so don't revert her {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Just go to the Kata subreddit 50% want her reverted the others want her to stay like she is (more or less duh)
: im having trouble seeing how what i typed is actually toxic enough to get me a chat ban
I got permabanned after writing an Annie "You are shit" that's was a reply to her "Stop inting Malzahar" We were enemies and I just killed her lol This game is just %%%%%fing, if you contact support they will just give you the report of what you did in the past and say "Hurrhurr you did X and Y we can't unban you"
: DON´T NERF DARK HARVEST!!!
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