: This is why quit league
There are only skin sellers at tito zames, no gamers.
: I played 600 games in ranked solo in Season 9 alone :p
> [{quoted}](name=A Red Herring,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=33ev6kNz,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-12-09T21:04:58.874+0000) > > I played 600 games in ranked solo in Season 9 alone :p quantity is no benchmark for quality, your ranked system is the best proof for that
: I am done
Only skin sellers left by Tito James, no Gamers there.
: How many more 4v5's do I have to play?
: Riot, Please fix the FPS issues, lost LP because of it...
alistial (EUW)
: trolling in a ranked game for absolutely no reason at all
A isolated case this has to be... Like many said before me, Riot does so much more then other Companys to ensure a healty game quality. This and all other post are just exeptions...
: COULD YOU PLEASE FIX YOUR GAME ?
new lux skin out when?!!!111
dobbson (EUW)
: Comical V2.0
You know how many Players they had to ban, when this would be banworthy? ya ^^ thats why no ban yet. Try post it on reddit a real forum^^
: Boards active people check
I would never overlock such an important topic! I rate 5 stars and vote to pin this perma.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wadafaaak,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ju4R34Nq,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-09T13:07:53.402+0000) > >The nature of the teamplaying aspect of this game induces an immense amount of anger in people. In SOME people, not everyone. If those people can't cope with losing a videogame without wishing death to their teams and other lovely stuff, it's their problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ju4R34Nq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-09T14:20:52.168+0000) > > In SOME people, not everyone. Sure some of em are special snowflakes^^
Wadafaaak (EUW)
: So many trolls are ruining ranked games.
Placebo Silence System working as intended by Tito Tames.
Mikrolce (EUNE)
: Yea but to much dazzle destroyed everything
> [{quoted}](name=Mikrolce,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=evMIFsjZ,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-11-09T00:22:53.915+0000) > > Yea but to much dazzle destroyed everything This Game has 10 Years old Probs. If anything can destroy it then keeping it going like it is.
Mikrolce (EUNE)
: Game quality is disappearing
Seams all the Rito lovers think the Game could not be any better... I find that hilarious.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yYhjYH6E,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-08T04:18:54.167+0000) > > I wonder how long Riot keep ignoring this... until they start losing money
> [{quoted}](name=JenShen,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yYhjYH6E,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-08T06:48:47.638+0000) > > until they start losing money Maybe i should try the Tencent Forum...
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Positive posts thread!
I feel much better when i don`t play this Game.
Arbz (EUW)
: Ban system!
I wonder how long Riot keep ignoring this...
: game-breaking bugs are ignored by riot for months. how is this game worth playing?
Meddlers Gameplay Gedanken - 4. Oktober _"Da sich das Spiel im Moment in einem sehr stabilen Zustand befindet"_
dobbson (EUW)
: Comical
care or they silence you on the board as well.. oh wait this not the german board...nvm.
Sekwiriet (EUW)
: Why is this person not banned?
If you look close enough Riot had to ban half of the Community and know it.
Mztah (EUNE)
: Matchmaking system, the forced artificial 50/50 win/lose ratio
It`s there for the weakest players or better saying customers simply because they can`t win wihout this feature. They would lose interest in the game very fast otherwise. It`s a customer loyality feature. You know the Game is a product right? Compare it with sugar, not like that it`s good for you but it keeps you consuming... Same with the toxicity in this Game and all the bad consequences of the so called matchmaking...Drama keeps the interest and wit that the money rolling.
Rioter Comments
: Oh, well, I was typing my elaboration while listening as i supply my comment with my thoughts (as you can see above) and nopes the 2nd half was just as stupid. Sowwy.
> [{quoted}](name=Dancing Truffle,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T09:38:59.494+0000) > > Oh, well, I was typing my elaboration while listening as i supply my comment with my thoughts (as you can see above) and nopes the 2nd half was just as stupid. Sowwy. Well thats a good start. I wish more people would actually explain whats going on in their head and not only say its a bad or good post. You know the thing is, if lol would be only a pain for him, he would not take his time like yourself to explain his thoughts. Danger or lets say Dunkey once really loved the Game, that we all have in common here, even if some might think post like mine are only toxic and for nothing good^^ I can forgive em for that. You know life is a circle, there is always a chance to turn dissapointed players back into fans. But it`s not like that normal critic players like myself does that for fun no. I do that because many points hit the mark in that video from UberDanger, there is truth in it, if you like it or not. Otherwise we all could just laugh about it and carry on. But it`s not that simple or a lie/toxic behaviour. No the game has it`s dark side and we simply dissagre who is to blame for it^^
: He doesnt care enough to google it but defiantly cares enough to make a 20 minutes video. trololol. He contridicts himself in most of the video... can you really not see it? I only watched half of the video and theres so much that doesn't make sense lol
> [{quoted}](name=Dancing Truffle,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-18T08:23:48.558+0000) > > He doesnt care enough to google it but defiantly cares enough to make a 20 minutes video. trololol. > > He contridicts himself in most of the video... can you really not see it? > I only watched half of the video and theres so much that doesn't make sense lol Maybe you should watch it in fully then?
: > [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=foE4iJ56,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-18T08:09:58.437+0000) > > I said the same thing and my topic about it got removed from boards... > We are so very sorry for your loss. {{sticker:sg-soraka}} {{sticker:sg-janna}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=foE4iJ56,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-10-18T08:17:41.179+0000) > > We are so very sorry for your loss. > {{sticker:sg-soraka}} {{sticker:sg-janna}} Don`t worry i will keep em coming =)
: Nearly everyone in Plat/Gold is like "I am god and u 4 are apes".
I said the same thing and my topic about it got removed from boards... So this will never happen. Just saying.
: A mod wishes for me to die
The German Mod board could learn a lot here...
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw,realm=EUNE,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-17T19:20:24.275+0000) > > give up on the game ? cause he got banned or something? Something like it. I don't recall him being permanently banned from League, but I do remember a lot of controversy around him, alongside a few punishments. But this is what Uber is all about: drama. His whole persona, and career, is talking shit about Riot, League specifically. I mean, he can do absolutely anything he wants. Being dishonest and spreading misinformation aren't illegal.
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-17T19:52:04.919+0000) > > Something like it. I don't recall him being permanently banned from League, but I do remember a lot of controversy around him, alongside a few punishments. > > But this is what Uber is all about: drama. His whole persona, and career, is talking shit about Riot, League specifically. > I mean, he can do absolutely anything he wants. Being dishonest and spreading misinformation aren't illegal. You know what you are talking about...it seams.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-17T18:55:09.056+0000) > > I can agree on most of the points in this Video so i wanted to share it. So you're one of the few that are easily manipulated by rhetoric. I could make a list of everything he said wrong. As the man himself said "Maybe he's just a bitter bastard". Indeed he is.
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-17T19:44:46.034+0000) > > So you're one of the few that are easily manipulated by rhetoric. > I could make a list of everything he said wrong. As the man himself said "Maybe he's just a bitter bastard". Indeed he is. But you are to lazy hmm? What a shame, i was so closed to be enlighted... Dang^^ *sadface...
Forte (EUNE)
: Kay, since you agree with the guy and don't like the game you can stop playing any time. No need to announce anything, bye.
> [{quoted}](name=Forte,realm=EUNE,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=UzEoaf5o,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-17T21:54:25.483+0000) > > Kay, since you agree with the guy and don't like the game you can stop playing any time. > No need to announce anything, bye. Oh it`s not a bad thing to agree, you definitely should try that out^^ So you are right on that, but you are wrong if you think i don`t like the game... You never heard, that love comes in many shapes?
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lAGjVwyi,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-29T11:08:26.382+0000) > > It would be a good thing if there would be a minimum skill standart in Game, but there is not so its a bad thing pretty easy. What do you mean by a "minimum skill standard"?
> [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lAGjVwyi,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-29T11:29:36.189+0000) > > What do you mean by a "minimum skill standard"? Glad you asked, it would mean to understand your own skill level, players overestimate themself all the time. So i made suggestion to give em more insight on that. If Players are not rewarded for playing win orientated they should at least be more aware of it. Before you asked win orientated playing is going for objektives or grouping. aka kill participation. Basic staff you know...
: > [{quoted}](name=wregfrwg245g2we,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lAGjVwyi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-28T21:30:06.298+0000) > > At the current state of the game one cannot solo carry consistently thats just how it is. Yes. The question is though, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
> [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lAGjVwyi,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-29T10:14:44.364+0000) > > Yes. The question is though, is this a good thing or a bad thing? It would be a good thing if there would be a minimum skill standart in Game, but there is not so its a bad thing pretty easy.
: I am sorry that I don't reply right back, but my whole post is a big thank you to every single human that is involved in the League of Legends in any way. I am glad that you found that appealing and felt good, you all deserve to feel good for being good people, thanks again.
> [{quoted}](name=Death ov Gloadra,realm=EUW,application-id=Mpd1UjGe,discussion-id=AhmKZ4Bb,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-09-28T14:02:52.215+0000) > > I am sorry that I don't reply right back, but my whole post is a big thank you to every single human that is involved in the League of Legends in any way. I am glad that you found that appealing and felt good, you all deserve to feel good for being good people, thanks again. No need to thank me. Feeling bad or good is a descion anyway. It has nothing to do with earning it or not , for the good or the bad... Just be aware that you had a positive impact for most of us here. To be able to do something like this, is a rare sign. So i hope you feel rewarded for this , but to be happy or not is really just a decision not much more. So i hope you are able to make the right decisions at least for the moment Bud =)
: Diamond Matchmaking
Well, the mm has to work with whats there... I don`t see a real unbalance in this match the adc did not bad tbh from what i can see. The Game itself looked pretty close to me, they got baron and won it...dunno how the last TF was looking but the Gold difference was not that big and the game seam to had no real carry or funneling. Looks like a typical game to me. But i was not in there.
: Diamond Matchmaking
You don`t seam to understand the matchmaking... The matchmaking is not there for players with a positive winrate, its there to help bad players climping. Thats why you get matched with losing players...
: I Want to Say This to Riot, LOL & the Player Base
It requieres a lot of courage to be this honest and open hearted, if you play only half that brave in Game, every Team should be happy to have you. Check your Friend list pls.
: Matchmaking balance
Premade Games are a special sort of hell...
: Please add a new PvE difficulty
Would be very nice, good suggestion.
: From Honor 5 to Honor 0 - How league made me a bad player to have on your team.
It is the Placebo Silent System^^ Working as intended. Just do it like me and disable the whole Chat. That is all what small indie company Riot Games is willing to do for us in that Case.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I'm a support main, and for me, if the ADC isn't toxic and I can see he's trying, even if he's 2/8, I'll most likely honor them, unless there's someone really outstanding in the team.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Note,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=VUctlHQM,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2019-09-23T15:50:06.743+0000) > > I'm a support main, and for me, if the ADC isn't toxic and I can see he's trying, even if he's 2/8, I'll most likely honor them, unless there's someone really outstanding in the team. Well, thats very supportive i quess, sorry i am not that nice of a person i honor only for performance. And ya i don`t like casuals.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Why is it impossible to get honored as an ADC?
If you are really a Support main, then you should know why^^ Behind every succesfull ADC stands a Support , easy as that. I`m a main Support and i think 1 out of 100 Games an ADC really deserves some honor. That good are they in general.
: But the tank meta never happened... that’s the thing which is craziest about this we’ve never had a meta that should rightfully be called a tank meta. There are 3 metas which have been called a tank meta. The first was the cinderhulk meta where fighters where taking cinderhulk top and causing issues... only 1 tank was meta. The second was the tank ekko meta where champions like ekko and fizz where being built as fighters and doing tank’s jobs better than they where, only 2 tanks where meta and neither at the same time. The third was after the tank update... where a single tank was too strong. All 3 of these it’s litterally been mao or naut beinging too strong How can we call these tank metas when 1/14 tanks where meta... these where bruiser metas, or even assasin metas with that ekko fiasco. The problem is people see beefy champions in the meta and call it a tank meta, which gets tanks unfairly punished when they are actually weak in these metas. > When Tanks dominate the meta, kiting becomes weak. > If you have a weak tank Meta, kiting becomes much stronger, so how to fix that? Except that’s not the case cause of what I’ve said... of course kiting becomes weak when assasins are building tanky and still dealing a ton of damage. > So what else can we give em shields? nerfed because was to OP. > I think shield Meta will come back..maybe kinda revamped i think all shields should kinda work with a loading, like stacking. > Tarics healing skill seams a good example, basically shields needs much longer to load and should last much shorter like max 2 sec`s. That meta had nothing to do with tanks... it was to do with ardent censor so there’s litterally no point nerfing tank’s shields just cause of enchanters.... especially as the problem for tanks is top lane > What else we have in Game for Supports, well slows we have but to be honest, those are even more op. > No slow skill should be point and click. All should be a skilshot with a smal AoE. > And thats coming from a "Zielan Player". Why are you talking about supports, it’s top lane that we are talking about. ___ Reviving the tank meta will be fine, maybe people will actually understand what a tank is this time... but bruisers have been stronger than tanks forever, it’s time tanks had their day
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wQ91kkdw,comment-id=0002000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T10:32:43.946+0000) > > But the tank meta never happened... that’s the thing which is craziest about this we’ve never had a meta that should rightfully be called a tank meta. > > There are 3 metas which have been called a tank meta. > The first was the cinderhulk meta where fighters where taking cinderhulk top and causing issues... only 1 tank was meta. > The second was the tank ekko meta where champions like ekko and fizz where being built as fighters and doing tank’s jobs better than they where, only 2 tanks where meta and neither at the same time. > The third was after the tank update... where a single tank was too strong. > All 3 of these it’s litterally been mao or naut beinging too strong > > How can we call these tank metas when 1/14 tanks where meta... these where bruiser metas, or even assasin metas with that ekko fiasco. > > The problem is people see beefy champions in the meta and call it a tank meta, which gets tanks unfairly punished when they are actually weak in these metas. > > Except that’s not the case cause of what I’ve said... of course kiting becomes weak when assasins are building tanky and still dealing a ton of damage. > > That meta had nothing to do with tanks... it was to do with ardent censor so there’s litterally no point nerfing tank’s shields just cause of enchanters.... especially as the problem for tanks is top lane > > Why are you talking about supports, it’s top lane that we are talking about. > > ___ > > Reviving the tank meta will be fine, maybe people will actually understand what a tank is this time... but bruisers have been stronger than tanks forever, it’s time tanks had their day Maokai was a silly op bruiser for the longest time, glad that is over. But that got fixed for the good. Your last sentential hits the spot...it`s all about understanding and here we have the real problem, people don`t understand much of this game. You can have a tank or shield meta it won`t matter if people don`t synergy with it. It all comes down to the minimum skill standart. People don`t adapt to their team they don`t try to fit in. But as soon 1-2 smart brains see what is abuseable all hop on the bandwagon. So i could not care less if something comes back or not , my worst enemy allways stay the same. No minimum skill standart you could expect.
: > Teamfights are a very vage concept in this Game. Nobody seams to understand their job on the Battlefield. > If you have a tank or not won`t make any difference if you don`t use him right or better saying the other teammates ignore him and go for 1vs1. But even when used correctly tanks aren’t doing their job because they die before soaking any damage... you might as well play a carry and wait to one shot someone or play a bruiser and split push than to play a tank. > I know exactly what kiting is, but you don`t seams to understand that kiting is no help vs tanks thats my point. > The tank dont have to hit you to fullfill his role, he just zones you. Kiting won`t matter in all those cases. > And dunno in what Teamfight Situation you have the time to kill the tank...must be some iron games, but thats not the normal case. Normally yes but tanks aren’t capable of that anymore. Adcs have access to Bork and Crits, a bruiser can give litterally their whole team a last whisper item after first item and they all deal true damage, mages get to have liandries and void staff. Tanks don’t soak, they last 2 seconds in a fight these days that’s it. Like I’ve said before why do you think that even in pro play (where tanks are disproportionately stronger) tanks aren’t bothered with... seriously nobody is nothing with top lane tanks anymore. That’s because they are incapable of doing their job. > An Adc can kill a tank in 2-3 sec easy what kind of late game situation is that in this 20min meta? Any time in the game. Don’t forget that the whole team gets a 24% shred if your top laner buys a black cleaver (which they will vs a tank)... this means that your adc gets a free last whisper vs the tank straight out of lane. In fights the bruiser just has to stack the black cleaver up and the adc will shred them. At the same time the mid laner can have a lost chapter item and void staff for 30% cdr and 40% magic pen without giving up anything. This is at 20 mins... that’s the problem anti tank is so easy to get and core in pretty much every build, even adcs who are relegated to getting it late game get it handed to them by their team. > The ADC can be dead in 1-2 sec thats much more often the case. Then you play with bad adc players who can’t position... or bad supports who can’t peel (most likely both). > If your case would be the avarage situation and thats what i am talking about here, then we dont even need to talk further, bc why go tanky if i die in 2-3 ?! > Then i rather go ap or ad^^ as tank^^ That’s exactly what I’m saying... nobody bothers with tanks anymore... they are dead. Not even in pro play (seriously in the entirety of S9 summer (so the split that’s just finished) top lane tanks got a presence of 16%... in 16% of games a top lane tank was picked or banned 8% of which is poppy... and that’s in a situation where they are disproportionately stronger vs solo Q... if you narrow it down to just the 5 major regions it drops to a 11% presence... for reference aatrox has a 86% presence) This is a known issue... tanks are outright dead... low elo knows it, high elo knows it, pro play knows it... if you think we are playing different games then it looks like I’m playing the same one everyone else is.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wQ91kkdw,comment-id=00020000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-13T23:08:13.608+0000) > > But even when used correctly tanks aren’t doing their job because they die before soaking any damage... you might as well play a carry and wait to one shot someone or play a bruiser and split push than to play a tank. > > Normally yes but tanks aren’t capable of that anymore. Adcs have access to Bork and Crits, a bruiser can give litterally their whole team a last whisper item after first item and they all deal true damage, mages get to have liandries and void staff. Tanks don’t soak, they last 2 seconds in a fight these days that’s it. > > Like I’ve said before why do you think that even in pro play (where tanks are disproportionately stronger) tanks aren’t bothered with... seriously nobody is nothing with top lane tanks anymore. That’s because they are incapable of doing their job. > > Any time in the game. Don’t forget that the whole team gets a 24% shred if your top laner buys a black cleaver (which they will vs a tank)... this means that your adc gets a free last whisper vs the tank straight out of lane. In fights the bruiser just has to stack the black cleaver up and the adc will shred them. > At the same time the mid laner can have a lost chapter item and void staff for 30% cdr and 40% magic pen without giving up anything. > > This is at 20 mins... that’s the problem anti tank is so easy to get and core in pretty much every build, even adcs who are relegated to getting it late game get it handed to them by their team. > > Then you play with bad adc players who can’t position... or bad supports who can’t peel (most likely both). > > That’s exactly what I’m saying... nobody bothers with tanks anymore... they are dead. Not even in pro play (seriously in the entirety of S9 summer (so the split that’s just finished) top lane tanks got a presence of 16%... in 16% of games a top lane tank was picked or banned 8% of which is poppy... and that’s in a situation where they are disproportionately stronger vs solo Q... if you narrow it down to just the 5 major regions it drops to a 11% presence... for reference aatrox has a 86% presence) > > This is a known issue... tanks are outright dead... low elo knows it, high elo knows it, pro play knows it... if you think we are playing different games then it looks like I’m playing the same one everyone else is. And i just gave you my 5 Cent why that is so... When Tanks dominate the meta, kiting becomes weak. If you have a weak tank Meta, kiting becomes much stronger, so how to fix that? Well bascially its: "movement speed + life steal" - VS - "Armor/MR + HP" but Armor/Mr and HP became irrelevant. So what else can we give em shields? nerfed because was to OP. I think shield Meta will come back..maybe kinda revamped i think all shields should kinda work with a loading, like stacking. Tarics healing skill seams a good example, basically shields needs much longer to load and should last much shorter like max 2 sec`s. What else we have in Game for Supports, well slows we have but to be honest, those are even more op. No slow skill should be point and click. All should be a skilshot with a smal AoE. And thats coming from a "Zielan Player". So i think the game just needs some soft ability revamps. But ofc. this would come with some Champ revamps together. So it is work but will revive the Tank Meta as well. Just have to redefine "rock scissor paper".... But ya i kinda can see why Rito fears to lose players by revamping to much^^
: > Well we speak about the general Situation aka most of the Games, Tanks are meant for Teamfights, but TF are problematic for all the known reasons. Teamfights are currently problematic because tanks aren’t there... without tanks the majority of the initiation and damage control goes so you just end up with the first team to misstep gets deleted. And the current problem for tanks is that they are too squishy, they can’t really survive anymore due to anti tank... which means when they initiate they don’t get what they need to get done done. Combine that with a mediocre early game, a bad mid game, and a bad late game and you’ve got champions who aren’t worth picking. > And what is the use of kiting when, you can`t stop some1 cuz he is soaking all the dmg ?! It’s not the case of stopping someone... that’s the thing kiting isn’t a way to damage people it actually lowers your dps late game, it’s a way of keeping yourself safe. So when your kiting vs a tank it doesn’t matter if it takes a while to kill him if your looking for a fast kill you stand still and rely on your team while you unload... what kiting accomplishes is you stay out of the tank/bruiser’s range keeping yourself away from harm while still dealing damage. And besides... adcs can kill a tank in 2-3 seconds easily > Thats the Problmen why sustain got nerfed and i said some must be in love with kiting. Except it’s the opposite... sustain helps kiting not hinders it. Think about it sustain on a bruiser or tank usually requires a target in range, which kiting is designed to prevent... at the same time sustain such as lifesteal on the person kiting means they have more room for error as getting hit can be healed back up. So by nerfing sustain you actually weaken kiting not buff it. And sustain was nerfed cause it has an extremely unhealthy relationship with grevious wounds creating an arms race, it was sustain’s turn in that race to take a hit.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wQ91kkdw,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-13T19:57:13.091+0000) > > Teamfights are currently problematic because tanks aren’t there... without tanks the majority of the initiation and damage control goes so you just end up with the first team to misstep gets deleted. > And the current problem for tanks is that they are too squishy, they can’t really survive anymore due to anti tank... which means when they initiate they don’t get what they need to get done done. > Combine that with a mediocre early game, a bad mid game, and a bad late game and you’ve got champions who aren’t worth picking. > > It’s not the case of stopping someone... that’s the thing kiting isn’t a way to damage people it actually lowers your dps late game, it’s a way of keeping yourself safe. > So when your kiting vs a tank it doesn’t matter if it takes a while to kill him if your looking for a fast kill you stand still and rely on your team while you unload... what kiting accomplishes is you stay out of the tank/bruiser’s range keeping yourself away from harm while still dealing damage. > And besides... adcs can kill a tank in 2-3 seconds easily > > Except it’s the opposite... sustain helps kiting not hinders it. Think about it sustain on a bruiser or tank usually requires a target in range, which kiting is designed to prevent... at the same time sustain such as lifesteal on the person kiting means they have more room for error as getting hit can be healed back up. > > So by nerfing sustain you actually weaken kiting not buff it. > > And sustain was nerfed cause it has an extremely unhealthy relationship with grevious wounds creating an arms race, it was sustain’s turn in that race to take a hit. I can`t agree with any of that. Teamfights are a very vage concept in this Game. Nobody seams to understand their job on the Battlefield. If you have a tank or not won`t make any difference if you don`t use him right or better saying the other teammates ignore him and go for 1vs1. I know exactly what kiting is, but you don`t seams to understand that kiting is no help vs tanks thats my point. The tank dont have to hit you to fullfill his role, he just zones you. Kiting won`t matter in all those cases. And dunno in what Teamfight Situation you have the time to kill the tank...must be some iron games, but thats not the normal case. If you have the time to kill the tank first then the other teammates are sleeping^^ An Adc can kill a tank in 2-3 sec easy what kind of late game situation is that in this 20min meta? The ADC can be dead in 1-2 sec thats much more often the case. If your case would be the avarage situation and thats what i am talking about here, then we dont even need to talk further, bc why go tanky if i die in 2-3 ?! Then i rather go ap or ad^^ as tank^^ Well seams we play two different games.
: > Sad but true, i have not played a tank support since end of S7 Tbh tank supports aren’t that bad atm... the single solo Q meta tank is a support (naut) so he’s litterally the last hope for tanks right now. It’s mainly top tanks that are dead, with jungle tanks never really being on steady ground. > To be fair, tanks are pretty boring if you ask me. > They are kinda the sucky version of Mid laner^^ CC wise. > Well to shift the meta around is bad for those champs and those skin sellings^^ > Thats why we always see the same skinssells for what is supposed to be meta^^ To each their own... I’m a tank main so I get a lot of enjoyment out of them (being unkillable is fun and I apsolutly love initiating fights)... but they where never gonna be popular or have many skins... but there’s a difference between unpopular and unplayable. > I heard one of those Rito James dudes loves the concept of kiting^^ But kiting tanks won`t help they simply run you over. > So thats that^^ Tanks are pretty easy to kite... a lot have mobility but it’s usually one spell so they are pretty easy to peel off and kite... plus don’t forget it’s a team balancing the game not just one person so someone liking kiting doesn’t mean everyone who is unable to be kited will be nerfed (just look at litterally every ranged champion).
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wQ91kkdw,comment-id=0002000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-13T17:30:41.299+0000) > > Tbh tank supports aren’t that bad atm... the single solo Q meta tank is a support (naut) so he’s litterally the last hope for tanks right now. It’s mainly top tanks that are dead, with jungle tanks never really being on steady ground. > > To each their own... I’m a tank main so I get a lot of enjoyment out of them (being unkillable is fun and I apsolutly love initiating fights)... but they where never gonna be popular or have many skins... > but there’s a difference between unpopular and unplayable. > > Tanks are pretty easy to kite... a lot have mobility but it’s usually one spell so they are pretty easy to peel off and kite... plus don’t forget it’s a team balancing the game not just one person so someone liking kiting doesn’t mean everyone who is unable to be kited will be nerfed (just look at litterally every ranged champion). Well we speak about the general Situation aka most of the Games, Tanks are meant for Teamfights, but TF are problematic for all the known reasons. So ya a Tank can be a huge help but like i said we talk about the average situation here, i played most of the Tanks to Mastery 7 so i can say a lot about em. I used to play Nautilus ofc, but its very boring to me since its a very obvious playstyle the Enemy can see what your kit is all about so that makes it boring to me at least. And what is the use of kiting when, you can`t stop some1 cuz he is soaking all the dmg ?! Thats the Problmen why sustain got nerfed and i said some must be in love with kiting. Dunno if you see the difference.
Shamose (EUW)
: I hate Youtubers who think they are special because they are youtubers.
: > But regarding blac river I have to add that it is kinda bad at this point,so it works butsometime the tank can kill you before you kill him. No they can’t... tanks only work off base damage and it’s no bigger than bruisers... the only reason a tank is killing you is your getting outplayed by the tank. You also forget that early game tanks aren’t tanky... that comes through items... they’ve got the same damage and durability as any other top laner. > Conqueror being a late game rune as opposed of an early mid game rune as before is the problem. No it’s not. Tanks already have a very weak mid to late game, early game is the litterally only point of the game that they can function... take that away from them and they become even more dead than they already are. And like I said it’s true damage, something that only works later on, and % healing off little damage results in little healing... itd have to be completely reworked to be an early game rune. And again tanks aren’t tanky early, any durability they do have comes from shields and heals... true damage isn’t gonna help vs that. > Thats why they are picked alot as strong early-mid game champ vs actual early game champ that have higher risk,while also being able to be normal tank in late gamebasically having a strong early game whit no draw back in late game,which shouldnt be a thing. Don’t make me laugh. Tanks aren’t picked as an answer to strong early game champions... because they aren’t picked at all. The only people playing tanks are one tricks and people with loyalty like me.... not even in pro play, seriously in a place where tanks are much stronger than solo Q they don’t even bother with them. They aren’t amazing early game, some are decent but most just want to farm. Your better off picking litterally any bruiser They aren’t good mid game because conquerer and black cleaver drains their gold efficiency meaning any advantage gained from the early game is gone as it’s been wasted on stats that you aren’t able to use (might as well buy mana on riven for the exact same effect). Late game even more anti tank comes in... tanks can loose up to 3000 gold worth of stats through just armour pen alone... that’s not even taking into account magic pen and % damage. All of this with no counter play. Tanks have to play with less item slots than even supports simply because of the overwhelming amount of anti tank in the game, anti tank that have no counter play. So no tanks aren’t picked at all, tanks aren’t strong at all... if Riot deleted all of the tanks most people wouldn’t even notice at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wQ91kkdw,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-11T21:27:06.895+0000) > > No they can’t... tanks only work off base damage and it’s no bigger than bruisers... the only reason a tank is killing you is your getting outplayed by the tank. > You also forget that early game tanks aren’t tanky... that comes through items... they’ve got the same damage and durability as any other top laner. > > No it’s not. Tanks already have a very weak mid to late game, early game is the litterally only point of the game that they can function... take that away from them and they become even more dead than they already are. > > And like I said it’s true damage, something that only works later on, and % healing off little damage results in little healing... itd have to be completely reworked to be an early game rune. > > And again tanks aren’t tanky early, any durability they do have comes from shields and heals... true damage isn’t gonna help vs that. > > Don’t make me laugh. > > Tanks aren’t picked as an answer to strong early game champions... because they aren’t picked at all. The only people playing tanks are one tricks and people with loyalty like me.... not even in pro play, seriously in a place where tanks are much stronger than solo Q they don’t even bother with them. > > They aren’t amazing early game, some are decent but most just want to farm. Your better off picking litterally any bruiser > > They aren’t good mid game because conquerer and black cleaver drains their gold efficiency meaning any advantage gained from the early game is gone as it’s been wasted on stats that you aren’t able to use (might as well buy mana on riven for the exact same effect). > > Late game even more anti tank comes in... tanks can loose up to 3000 gold worth of stats through just armour pen alone... that’s not even taking into account magic pen and % damage. All of this with no counter play. > > Tanks have to play with less item slots than even supports simply because of the overwhelming amount of anti tank in the game, anti tank that have no counter play. > > So no tanks aren’t picked at all, tanks aren’t strong at all... if Riot deleted all of the tanks most people wouldn’t even notice at this point. Sad but true, i have not played a tank support since end of S7 To be fair, tanks are pretty boring if you ask me. They are kinda the sucky version of Mid laner^^ CC wise. Well to shift the meta around is bad for those champs and those skin sellings^^ Thats why we always see the same skinssells for what is supposed to be meta^^ But nah not for those oldtimers^^ I heard one of those Rito James dudes loves the concept of kiting^^ But kiting tanks won`t help they simply run you over. So thats that^^
: The real reason league of legends is getting worse.
You miss the most important part... Expertise! Or at least the ability to obtain such a thing. Most of the players simply don`t have that. Everyone should know freedom and with that i mean YOUR freedom to play what and how you want, comes with a prize, the risk to fail and set your team even further behind. People don`t care about that in this game, they play without care. Here we have the real reason why this game fails. Nobody gets feedback and so they continue their part of ignorance and mistakes. This game just needs 1 thing to get better. Transparent on how well you are really doing. (No your rank don`t represent that at all^^) I don`t mean the possibilty how well your strategy can be^^ Faker can make everything work! but not you. People need to learn to play on their level. But you need to admit that first. Later you can do what ever you want, but meanwhile you should be punished for playing some strategy you are not able to win with.
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: so apparenly role assignment in draft doesn't matter
Its really a farce, how rito makes a big deal out of lcs but for the common players nothing really matters. Hypocrites...
: Would you like Rito to stop making skins and start fixing the game?
Atm. even Partners from Riot Games call the game toxic and that it needs improvements asap. But ofc. Rito sees this complete different, here we have the problem, there seams to be no1 in between who understands both sides. Only black and white, voices like: "Rito does already much more then other companys " or on the other side: the game is trash fix everything! So are we enemys already that can`t listen any longer to each other? If you ask me...Ya it really seams that way. So this alone creates a spiral, where people loses all their impartiality and more important the will to listen to each other. How to fix that? Well i would suggest start addressing such things nobody expects fixes over night or that everything can be solved. But we need to come together again, or the trend of losing interest keeps going. If you compare the views on the Youtube from the main LoL channel, lets say from 1 Year ago, you can clearly see that people are losing interests very fast.
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