: I do. You are searching for reasons to disregard the opinions of people you disagree with. Flimsy reasons at best.
: But it's your ranked playing teammates that report you in the first place, so obviously they don't like flaming either. So what exactly do you want to accomplish here?
: I don't see why it matters. At all. A jerk is a jerk, whether it's in ranked or a normal does not matter. But, if you value your LP that much, having or being a flamer in ranked should piss you off even more. *Flamers lose more games*. To me, someone who flames a teammate in ranked is NOT doing their best to win, is NOT more invested and is actively trying to sabotage the game.
not my point, people are more emotionally invested in ranked whereas normals games hold no worth, so obviously there is a difference
Madliv (EUW)
: "I don't deserve this ban, I was a good guy and I need to prove that by insulting everyone that brings points to my ban" DESERVED and now to quote a rioter "WE do not want' you anymore in this game, go find another moba"
ok and you've contributed nothing to this you're just flaming me now, also that is not the aim with account bans they don't try to remove players from the game please know what you're talking about before you spout nonsense
Rioter Comments
Arcadeath (EUNE)
: You type in 1 game more than I typed in my last 10 jeez. No wonder you got banned, you type more than you play. Even if it wasn't negative chat, I wouldn't want teammate like that in my games, nobody would. I've read all the chat logs and you really deserved that ban. I suggest you make a new account with a fresh start without ever typing at all. Remember, NEVER type.
you can't get banned for communicating a lot though and i've already got a few smurfs i type even more because they're lower elos than my main so i have to tell them what to do more
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
if an unarmed burglar broke into your house you have the rights to shoot them in my country. and are we not humans playing this game who live by common law? and it was an example not a direct reference, heres another one, say some kid at your highschool hated you for some reason or other, you're not going to walk upto them and say "hello good morning" because they're going to tell you to fuck yourself, comprende?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
"there have been some" that's again really vague this seems to be a trend with you i could make a fresh acc and tell everyone to get cancer every game instantly and it will get perma banned doesnt mean its easier to get banned at a lower level it just means that as the guy above stated people care less about these accounts as they have invested a lot less time into them so they do not see the point in trying to keep it.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
just to start i wanna say if i spent so much time typing i wouldn't have got to diamond 2 and you're as vague as riot themselves and you don't have an understanding of the ranked environment, you simply haven't played it enough it is COMPLETELY different to playing normals games and very much so as you move up the ranks where people understand smaller micro and macro mistakes. and if the summoners code is a rulebook and someone breaks a rule which leads to another breaking the rule I think the one who provoked it should be the one to be punished as it is with assault in real life, if someone hits you, you're not going to smile at them and give them nice comments. I see that you have a misconception of this community. It would be great if we all got along and talked nice to eachother and held hands and baked eachother cakes but that's not how this community is and it never has been, trust me i've been here longer.
JSL (EUNE)
: The key to being unaffected by toxicity
eh this isn't true pal, if you want to get to higher elo while playing you NEED to communicate with them somewhat, and more than smart pings will allow.
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zero Elo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8gzLORpg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-10-03T02:10:47.488+0000) > > no they want him to be treated how he treats others That would mean Riot wants people to insult and flame tyler1. That's not true.
i can tell you now I am pretty certain that whenever riot sees someone bad mouthing tyler1 they have a little grin on their faces hell no they're not gonna say that it would be a disgusting PR move on their part but they are NOT going to be complaining when they see it.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
i'd just like to say i don't think lower level account get bans quicker or anything, i've just got an account from 1-30 in about 3 weeks without xp boosts and didn't get a restrict or anything so if im SO SO toxic then i would have got one.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
this is a massive disadvantage riot gives me by not providing full logs but only mine, if i told this fiora what to do in a constructed way then i would have been greeted with a swift "fuck off you boosted child" or something along those lines, in their eyes i was the sole reason they lost their lane and i was to blame and a horrible player. Also if it had time stamps my flame for fiora was about 3-5 mins i believe for the most part i just type a lot and quick as you can probably already tell. and for game 3 re-read what i linked about reporting a player don't take it from the summoners code as that is extremely vague and overlaps itself imo where it says things like (basically) don't wind people up because it makes them angry, then another is don't get angry so i mean if player 1 is trying to make player 2 mad and player 2 gets mad due to this are they both to fault or is player 1 for breaking the summoners code initially? so i'd prefer if you used the player report page i linked which i believe is closer to my case as player reports are what got me banned. And it's a common misconception that someone is too busy typing than playing, i'm experienced enough in the game where i know when i have a moment to type and i know when i don't so please don't start making assumptions.
GLurch (EUW)
: >call them out and point out their not faker, that they should look at themselves before looking at you If you only said they do mistakes too and gave them advice, there would be no problem. But what you did wasn't just saying they are doing mistakes too, no, you said this: >Zero Elo: no you just got dumpstered in lane Zero Elo: and 70cs down Zero Elo: wow Zero Elo: # Zero Elo: what Zero Elo: 5v5ing vs baron Zero Elo: isn't a good decision Zero Elo: you're not good Zero Elo: you're not better than me Zero Elo: stop talking Zero Elo: stfu Zero Elo: get off your own dick What you did was flaming. Flaming is another term for blaming others. I just thought I should use it, since people tend to associate flaming with something bad more than blaming, but that is just based on my personal experience.
the word flaming is used in many different ways and is as vague as the summoners code it's self I have used this for reasoning not any of my own opinions (https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player#top) and this was in a plat 4 game i believe, i shouldn't have to be telling these people how to play and stating that they lost lane, which i worded strongly from what i've read doesn't seem to be reportable but i agree that saying get off your own dick was not needed thought have a look at the link and see if you agree/disagree
deathgod5 (EUW)
: It doesnt look like you intent. I get that you didn't mean it or was joking about but, sarcasm doesn't carry over well. But I have studied the system and have lived with the tribunal so i'll copy your text and see what players see when they get your raw game data. ill put my comments in () so you can diversify. LET IT BE NOTED THAT I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS DESERVES A PERMENT BAN, I think in specific cases like yours a permanent chat restrict would be better since you dont look like the type that starts intentionally feeding when he cant type to get attention. That is the reason they don't continue with more chat restricts btw, they discovered that many chat restricted people started int. feeding instead. Zero Elo: btw pal Zero Elo: this was before tr got tribunal( Zero Elo: so it was generally a more toxic server Zero Elo: as no one really ran a risk of getting banned unless they knew someone at riot Zero Elo: i did stop because drophackers were getting away with it because no one cared enough to stop it Zero Elo: was quiet sad actuall Zero Elo: im just saying tho i feel bad for you that your server is like that (did you say this in the game or is this an extra comment) Zero Elo: cass w Zero Elo: ground Zero Elo: cant use displacement Zero Elo: no abilitys that move your champ Zero Elo: basically Zero Elo: laning vs 4-0 cass Zero Elo: "just win" Zero Elo: so i should afk then (Yea the system might screw you over on that and tribunal might forgive you) Zero Elo: lol Zero Elo: this is so over Zero Elo: ff20 please(it is considered by riot games to be toxic, i disagree its only toxic if you keep repeating ff 20 throughout the game which you dont) Zero Elo: cass gets first blue at 5 mins Zero Elo: i dont get any at 13(yea tribunal would consider that blaming the bots from riot wouldn't) Zero Elo: sure not your fault i didnt get 2nd blue(passive aggresive) Zero Elo: beause you're greedy(actual accusation again, (i understand why but it is an accusation)) Zero Elo: ? Zero Elo: cass got their blue Zero Elo: i died because she spammed me out(this is non reportable btw, it doesn't just trigger on individual words like died) Zero Elo: no 3rd blue btw(blaming, maybe justified but still blaming which is considered toxic by riot games(and the tribunal did see it as toxic too btw)) Zero Elo: probs no 4th(blaming) Zero Elo: and she gives kill to cass early(blaming) Zero Elo: vi is trolling me(blaming/accusing) Zero Elo: wtf Zero Elo: was that engage(making fun of other player. Just saying what the system and other people see when they review this case) Zero Elo: hahaha(The tribunal specifically would be triggered by this one, they were pretty sensitive. laughing at others was a no go in that time) Zero Elo: no but like Zero Elo: dont walk upto them Zero Elo: and just press r Zero Elo: hahaha Zero Elo: you fed cass first(blaming) Zero Elo: and no blues for me(blaming) Zero Elo: xdxd Zero Elo: ikr Zero Elo: giving a kill to cass(blaming) Zero Elo: then not ganking(blaming) Zero Elo: and no blues Zero Elo: right thing Zero Elo: now this sona is trying to take my cs(blaming(probably justified tho)) Zero Elo: walks mid to farm the wave Zero Elo: haha Zero Elo: troll premade or something?(yea this is just plain toxic sorry) Zero Elo: for what you all trolling me(blaming) Zero Elo: vi giving kills never ganking and giving no blues(blaming) Zero Elo: sona walking mid to farm my wave(blaming) Zero Elo: yeah report me for that(report calling is also not allowed actually) Zero Elo: talk about feed(actually this is allowed because you didnt target anyone) Zero Elo: when there is that cait Zero Elo: wtf Zero Elo: but vi didnt mute me Zero Elo: no because i can still see what shes writing(this is literally not how muting works, you can still see what a person that muted you writes down) Zero Elo: malph = lee lol Zero Elo: that's why he's 1-5 Zero Elo: malph higest skillcap champ ever game(haha lol) Zero Elo: made in game* Zero Elo: 1-5 Zero Elo: he gave first blue to cass Zero Elo: so he put himself behind early Zero Elo: but he needs xp Zero Elo: do you really think giving first blue is no big deall Zero Elo: im actually muting you wow(weirdly enough mute calling is considered somewhat toxic by many players, I consider it somewhat important so that they know that they cant communicate with chat) Zero Elo: i like how the only ones who die Zero Elo: are the oens i killed In short you come of as toxic in this game to other players even if you really aren't that toxic. both the tribunal and bot would vote guilty on this one. Game 2 Zero Elo: fuck me(allowed) Zero Elo: im afk farming(allowed but just keep out the afk part) Zero Elo: all game Zero Elo: ffs Zero Elo: tank it Zero Elo: maybe Zero Elo: ffs Zero Elo: my q Zero Elo: makes me untargetable Zero Elo: fairs i got kills anyway Zero Elo: so npnp Zero Elo: np Zero Elo: im over it Zero Elo: forget guys it's fine ^^ Zero Elo: don't linger on it Zero Elo: woah im good Zero Elo: i have just started playing again Zero Elo: after like a 4 month break Zero Elo: 3 days ago Zero Elo: im not up to scratch yet Zero Elo: and my elo has dropped alot Zero Elo: fio Zero Elo: u what m8 Zero Elo: flame me then pull that off(actually allowed too) Zero Elo: nvm tho suppose you were blaming my decisions not my mechanics Zero Elo: RUN Zero Elo: ? Zero Elo: no one was there Zero Elo: not just me Zero Elo: fks your problem Zero Elo: 3-5 Zero Elo: flaming me Zero Elo: ? Zero Elo: and you have same cs as me Zero Elo: and im jungle Zero Elo: wtf Zero Elo: no you just got dumpstered in lane(accusing) Zero Elo: and 70cs down Zero Elo: wow Zero Elo: # Zero Elo: what Zero Elo: 5v5ing vs baron Zero Elo: isn't a good decision Zero Elo: you're not good(accusing) Zero Elo: you're not better than me(allowed) Zero Elo: stop talking(just mute him) Zero Elo: stfu Zero Elo: get off your own dick(insulting) Zero Elo: ? Zero Elo: why are you flaming me Zero Elo: im watching you play# Zero Elo: and you're terrible Zero Elo: and you're actually trying(this is saying that you are not trying which implies that you are feeding even if you don't) Zero Elo: like you can't use w properly(accusing) Zero Elo: at all Zero Elo: you just use w randomly Zero Elo: your q's are only for damage Zero Elo: not position Zero Elo: you ult wrong targets Zero Elo: xD Zero Elo: have you used your w properly once all game? Zero Elo: you have the mechanics of my nan(my nan is actually decent at league) Zero Elo: and shes dead Zero Elo: get carried fio(kinda dickish but fair enough) Zero Elo: carrying this fio was hard Zero Elo: watching them w's Zero Elo: ruined me This game seemed like a fight between 2 players more then anything, the tribunal wouldn't convict you for that. bot would however. and while you said you were seemingly toxic in this game you really weren't you seem fine in this game. Game 3 Zero Elo: 140 Zero Elo: for bg Zero Elo: bf Zero Elo: btw leo you should not be afraid to go in(actual useful advice) Zero Elo: was oo Zero Elo: oom Zero Elo: idk why leo walked away from me Zero Elo: instead of towards m,e Zero Elo: me* Zero Elo: ... Zero Elo: you could have done that sooner Zero Elo: 'sleeping' Zero Elo: getting bot turret Zero Elo: no Zero Elo: oh god Zero Elo: all muted(toxic) Zero Elo: painful to talk to(yea... no excuse for this, this is just an asshole thing to say man) Zero Elo: nty Zero Elo: you just took like 3 waves(blaming) Zero Elo: lol Zero Elo: says that leo Zero Elo: that went in once Zero Elo: in 7 levels Zero Elo: good one Zero Elo: the supports are so different. Zero Elo: that one Zero Elo: yeah Zero Elo: imfking 2-8 Zero Elo: she is 8-2 Zero Elo: how the fuck am i suppose to win that Zero Elo: with janna there Zero Elo: what the fuck Zero Elo: muting you all tho(really you said before that you were muting them this is kinda toxic) Zero Elo: get carried I am actually quite surprised that the bot blamed you on this one, but a tribunal would definitely ban you for this. In short: you weren't really that bad and I dont think this is perm ban worthy. On the other hand you never suggest anything and instead put it in steel rules which is really annoying for the people you played with. If i was jungling and you start getting mad at me for getting the second blue buff I would literally not give you any buffs that game because you are being an ass. You are also mean to your fellow teammates and even if you think think that you are in the right you are constantly blaming others. banworthy or not, you were toxic.
I would firstly like to thank you for taking the time to go over this for me and much appreciate it, i'll just go over a few of the points that i have knowledge of being incorrect in this from what i've look at here (https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) and from a ticket response that i was sent by the support team. I would also like to preface by saying all these games are ranked games and they are at about plat 4-5 level, which is lower than my usual which is d4 (peaked at d2). so for game one, i ran into a 3 man premade which consisted of jungle, support and i think adc also. But my opening statements i'm talking about the status of high elo on the turkish server as there was a turkish person in my game first we were just joking around about how aggressively they all play then i was talking about the fact they had no ban system in place when i played so there were a lot of scripters/drop hackers/disco nunu's ect so i was just saying like i felt bad he had to have higher ping to play on a better server. Zero Elo: so i should afk then (Yea the system might screw you over on that and tribunal might forgive you) Zero Elo: lol so for this i wish it had timestamps with it i said the lol literally right after i said that but as i have realised humour is not something a bot can detect. with the whole bit about complaining and whining tbh in that game i was being bitchy as hell however i expected them to understand the game better, it was a fault of mine to get angry at this but they came died mid because of a terrible gank then when questioned the blame started coming from all 3 of them towards me, so i was there in a ranked game where i knew i wasn't as good as i once was that i should be able to carry getting smashed in lane even tho i was 0-0 and not receiving blues which is quiet annoying, thought i see this as me being a whiny kid i don't think i'm being directly offensive? correct me if im wrong but with the comments about not getting blues ect k i was pissed at it and complaining where i probably should have just shut up and muted them but i was losing elo at an alarming rate and then this was just too much suppose you could say i went on a bit of a tilt here. and the things about the muting thing(for all cases) this was said to me by a member of the support "there's generally speaking no need to taunt or announce when muting someone" though from reading that it's not against the rules. Also from what i'm reading on the reporting players support page im reading(for the 1000th time) i'd say it was a mixture of the tactical disagreement where they wanted to take the buffs for themselves and me using strong but non-derogatory terms but that's just my opinion i've said in a reply here that i've reported like 20 people in 5ish years of playing so my standard for a report is inting basically. Zero Elo: hahaha(The tribunal specifically would be triggered by this one, they were pretty sensitive. laughing at others was a no go in that time) this one rather shocked me YOU CAN'T LAUGH?!?!? holy i know riot think we're robots when we play but damn this ones harsh. Zero Elo: troll premade or something?(yea this is just plain toxic sorry) this yeah i was being a dickhead here but they were a 3 man premade who were going hard on me in chat which old tribunal would have probably seen. for game 2, i was playing master yi jungle and my support took my big golem(krug or w/e) which really hindered me and as mentioned before on a losing streak, playing with lower elo players than usual though still pretty highish elo so i don't really expect this but mistakes happen. so the bit about afk farming, i don't know how others view this but everyone i've said it to i believe understands that afk farming is basically just killing creeps/jungle minions and nothing else, to me this just meant that they shouldn't be expecting a whole lot of ganks since im going to be heavily farming, easily misunderstood i suppose. so then this entire game my top was getting constantly 1v1'd in a favourable match up and just blaming me for everything they could think of and i was ignoring them for 30 mins, i just tried to keep calm and win since i was doing alright but i believe the fiora got caught then again came in with the blame towards me and at that point i just had enough and started pointing out their mistakes as they were doing to me though again from that report a player support page the only toxic thing that i said that was a derogatory statement was the get off your own dick part which i suppose was unnecessary but they were speaking to me for 30 mins like they were jesus and i was a piece of shit stuck to the bottom of their shoe. for game 3, oh boy another premade one who was doing something at the same time or something as they were constantly afking next to turret as support(i was playing adc), as refered to in the game one statement by support standards saying you're muting people is not suggested but not a reportable offence, then there is the dickish thing i say here which is you're painful to talk to this is because they were defending their premade who was afking next to turret and leaving me 2v1 and saying it was my fault for it yeah it was not really needed but somewhat justified. so just to sum up after reviewing this all and looking at that report page there are only 2 lines that fully fit into their reportable offences category imo, however as i said in about 5 years i've only reported about 20 people, i don't tend to get offended easily. I think the fact it was ranked does influence it, and i would never int, or troll in ranked because i REALLY care about my elo in the couple of cases i deem as toxic they were in moments of high emotion under a pressured environment they were random outbursts which do not happen often but when you're spamming games as much as i am these are closer together in a time period as i sometimes play 10-12 ranked games a day when i have nothing else planned. Also i really wish we could get the cases as we did in the old tribunal system because if you saw what they were all saying to me all game you wouldn't even question anything i said, i get the whole don't fight fire with fire thing they all say but at the end of the day if im playing ranked and my account will be permanently changed depending on if we win or lose people are gonna get emotional.
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: Awwww, you went to the lengths of reading through my older forum posts. Thank you, I feel honored.
you are still doing it, and i get it. now stop.
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: Soo, you are allowed to write 2k+ words about why you should be allowed to treat people in-game poorly without repecussions, but other people aren't allowed to criticise you. Got that! Won't happen again.
you are still doing it, and i get it. now stop. > [{quoted}](name=Sherrinka,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=9nGFz7B7,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-30T23:36:14.886+0000) > I'm of course not immune to tilt, though I tend to get all snarky and sarcastic instead of straight-up raging.
DearPear (EUW)
: > in my opinion you should treat people the way they treat others, This is the best way for misbehaviors to persist!
but then flip it around ok, Tyler1, everyone knows who he is and everyone knows why, he's toxic af and he does it for fun and entertainment, do you think riot want people to be praising him? no they want him to be treated how he treats others, just not while in his game because then you're toxic for calling him out on being an asshole. I dunno though suppose it's riots choice how they want people to act in their game just in my opinion it's just not a productive way of handling it by perm banning accounts, i've spent loads on this game and there is no way of ever seeing that money again unless i start elo boosting, which they have put me in a position where I have nothing at all to lose, i'm not going to because an ip ban would ruin me but I just think they need much better ways of dealing with this, like hell give me a perm chat restrict if i'm that bad would it not achieve the same thing?
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: Sooo, you ask why I think I'm less toxic than you and then complain when I do just that... hmm...
a simple yes or no would suffice, you don't have to try and brag and belittle other over the forums to answer a simple question.
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: Well, the fact that you're perma-banned and I'm not answers that question :D Okay, smart-ass comment aside, you opened this thread directly asking for opinions, it's right in the title. You have written several pages worth of reasons why you don't think you are toxic, not foing AFK, not int-feeding etc. I have stated what I think are the reasons for Riot thinking otherwise. I will concede that the way I formulated my point wasn't the nicest, I should have said something like "you can be perceived as... you may seem annoying, negative etc.", since I don't know you in real life and can't tell whether you have the same negative atributes there as you display in-game. If you wish, I can edit my post to eliminate the direct ad hominems and make my sentences more ambiguous. And that's probably the reason why I think I'm less toxic than you. When faced with my flaws and misconducts I can accept my wrong-doings, alter my behavious and reform. Also, I would not have written those words to you in-game. Firstly, it's way too much to write and most of the time I have other things to do, you know, like focusing on winning. Second, I could just report you in the post-game screen and let Riot take care of your case, you know, just like they did.
You sound very condescending, whiny, arrogant, pompous and self absorbed yourself in this statement, judging someones character based off of such a small sample is not a smart thing to do, don't do it. Also you seem to be more of an emotional person than me i wonder the effect of 5000+ ranked games would have on you. though this is going off topic and i'm not looking for people to justify themselves by comparing themselves to me so thank you for your time and opinion.
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zero Elo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8gzLORpg,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-03T00:44:28.126+0000) > > see I disagree with that in the way that i can tell you're someone who probably tries to only communicate with positive people in the team I don't understand how you can come up with such conclusion. > [{quoted}](name=Zero Elo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8gzLORpg,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-03T00:44:28.126+0000) > > and please don't be swayed by only looking at the negative comments, when in ranked i want to win and the best way of doing that is a good set of players communicating well, as someone who played in season 1 you may remember the old tribunal where you would see what everyone was saying and i believe if you saw what they were saying to me you would understand my stance a bit more, also you can see I try to make a better environment through this bit of chat. And as someone that perfectly remember the old tribunal, these logs would've gotten you convicted. You can't deny that. You might argue that a perm ban is too much for what you said, and I would agree **IF** the system and us didn't care about the persistance of the behavior. The current system not only cares for the gravity of the abuses but also cares for the repetiveness of the behavior. Hence why the 4th punishment is always a perm ban. This is something to consider. A permanent ban is a way of telling you that the system thinks you're not ever going to improve, no matter how little the improvement requiered is. I climbed all the way from silver to diamond with minimal chatting and occasional jokes and nonsenses. I communicate basic things, mainly with pings, and I have yet to find someone not understanding what I mean, whether they agree or not. Trying to make a better environment through some lines of chatting is fine. But as someone pointed out, saying "you're terrible" to someone is not going to create any good environment, and certainly not going to improve a bad environment. At best this will not matter, at worst you've definitly ruined an already feeble communication. > [{quoted}](name=Zero Elo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8gzLORpg,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-03T00:44:28.126+0000) > > after a sup taking my krug level 1, if you are someone that doesn't randomly start causing trouble within the game then i believe we would get along fine, also you have to remember that these are my worse games performance wise (you're not gonna get reported when you're carrying) Actually we could probably get along all well. I mean, I get along with pretty much anyone. Still, I would not appreciate the times where you get on your nerves as seen in some of these logs. I've had good friends that acted pretty much like you do. They did not see themselves as abusive to other people. And they were mainly nice people. But they had their times. Just like you do. I talked it through with them. Tried to understand, with them, what they seeked with these abuses. In the end they stopped overlooking their own behavior, and more importantly the reasons for such behavior within themselves. I have yet to see one of them flame or blame again. --- On a side note, I often report players with nice performances if they are complete dicks.
ok i don't know how to quote on here but it was a guess based off the small amount I have seen from you and the simple fact that you actively use the mute system gave me that opinion. to your second point, i don't know if i can agree on that if you have a read of this (https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player) then i don't hit the categories to be reported i'm not directly offending people imo, though i'm not someone that gets offended by anything tbh so i may have a biased view. And i feel the way we work with our team is different, i started off at 600 elo back in the day and climbed to D2 so i've been at both ends of ranked nearly and the entire time I have used chat in a way that reflects me in life, i'm someone who talks quiet a bit and will tell people what i think and expect the same in return if that is either good or bad, and the smart pings are very very helpful though they are limiting as you can only communicate simple things with them and not something like "engage on their bot in x seconds i'll tp to this ward and then we'll make a dragon play" i've always believed that it was my responsibility to carry a game and not only through my performance but through managing my team where i can aswell and yeah i agree that saying you're terrible wasn't good but i also think i wasn't attacking their character and as you can see that was 30 mins into a game and they were feeding like crazy and flaming me for picking yi, not pressuring ect ect. granted i could have handled this a bit better though the pressure of the situation got to me in this case. And to your last point I know exactly why I spoke to them in this way and that's because in my opinion you should treat people the way they treat others, if someone is going to be an ass and give you shit i feel you should be well within your rights to stand your ground on it and call them out and point out their not faker, that they should look at themselves before looking at you, this is not just random of the top oh I did bad and we're losing lets give this person shit. Also as a sidenote of my own i've played since season 2 and I think i've reported max 20 people in probably 10,000+ games (god i have no life...)
Adi Swidan (EUNE)
: It is getting really annoying !!
I am someone who plays on EUW so I can't share your views as every server is different in this regard though there is nothing that is within riots power to do so, they could punish players who are afk more heavily however one day your internet might cut out in a game and you too would be punished by this, there is no way for them to know if someone has left a game from their own choice or unwillingly so they will not be able to change this at all. All i can say about this is that it's unfortunate to everyone in the game when someone does afk/disconnect and it effects all 10 players, though if you're playing for enjoyment don't let this be a problem for you, you can still have fun even in a 4v5 and winning is not the only way to have fun in league, you just have to find ways to enjoy the game through these problems.
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: I played enough to get into G5 for the skin and then kind of lost interest´, so I guess the answer would be a tentative No. I really hope you don't play on insinuating that since I don't play rankeds as ofted, I am incapable of having an insight on the game and on your case. I can't imagine that placing your logs into a normal-game would make them any more or less pleasant.
I only wished to know of your insight into the ranked environment as the environments are completely different in these two, on one hand you have normals where each game is it's own thing and the outcome only effects you for perhaps upto an hour, whereas in ranked if you win or lose that will permanently effect your account so there are much higher stakes on the line. which means that the 10 people in that game are more attached to the result which leads to tensions rising within the game. And it's quiet the opposite I have just finished leveling a new smurf to 30 which you can only play normals and in these games there is no reason to say anything to anyone about their plays, you are all of different skill levels and you're only together for this set amount of time, so i'm actually quiet pleasant when playing normals game as there is nothing on the line for any of us and neither of us lose anything from the result. Also may i add that if you said what you said to me in your first post while in a game you would be punished under the rule of Being directly offensive to someone and attacking someones character which I have not done in any of the examples, so may i ask, do you believe you are more toxic than I am?
Infernape (EUW)
: To be fair, it's not as if you get banned for one instance of "toxicity". You get three chances to change before you get permanently banned. Funnily enough when you create a new account, you generally get matched with other smurfs so it all balances itself out.
Ok so i can see that you're someone who frequently uses the forums and must see hundreds if not thousands of posts like this, and yes i received them but i've been playing since s2 and I have played ALOT of games and I only play ranked, on your profile I can't see any ranked rewards so i shall assume you only play normals for the majority, may I start off by saying that the environments are completely different in these two, on one hand you have normals where each game is it's own thing and the outcome only effects you for perhaps upto an hour, whereas in ranked if you win or lose that will permanently effect your account so there are much higher stakes on the line. which means that the 10 people in that game are more attached to the result which leads to tensions rising within the game, also you can't see what provoked my statements which gives a very one sided opinion. also I hit level 30 on a new smurf 2 days ago and i can tell you from experience that the amount of smurfs(at least ones of my former rank) are very much not common in the games i was playing
Sherrinka (EUNE)
: Okay, so I read the whole immense post so if you choose to respond please don't try to insinuate I didn't. First of: No, you are not the most toxic person I have ever met in LoL, you're probably not even in the top 50. You are, however, annoying, defeatist, pompous, condescending, whiny, constantly blaming someone, generaly writing waaay too much and overall a bad team-mate. I know, most people associate the word "toxic" with "told me to get cancer and kill myself" preferably badly spelled, but all the aforementioned terms are considered toxic as well. Second: You got perma-banned. Which means that you pretty much admitted to getting a 10-game chat restriction, then the 25-game one and then the 2 weeks ban before. And during all these punishments you saw no reason to change your behaviour, or at least bite your tongue and not write at all. Bans don't only judge the severity, but also the frequency of toxic behaviour and you seem to be incapable, or unwilling to change your ways. So yes, even though your post is more coherent and less damning that the usual "why wuz i bannd inevar flame only retard cancer kidz im inocent" your ban is no less deserved. I wish you luck in all future endeavours and hope you can either reform you behaviour in another account, or don't return to this game again.
before i respond may i ask a question, i looked at your profile and i can see you haven't received any ranks for season rewards, do you play in the ranked environment often?
DearPear (EUW)
: I base my own judgement on the question "would I mute this guy?" And I would've definitly muted you.
see I disagree with that in the way that i can tell you're someone who probably tries to only communicate with positive people in the team and please don't be swayed by only looking at the negative comments, when in ranked i want to win and the best way of doing that is a good set of players communicating well, as someone who played in season 1 you may remember the old tribunal where you would see what everyone was saying and i believe if you saw what they were saying to me you would understand my stance a bit more, also you can see I try to make a better environment through this bit of chat. Zero Elo: np Zero Elo: im over it Zero Elo: forget guys it's fine ^^ Zero Elo: don't linger on it after a sup taking my krug level 1, if you are someone that doesn't randomly start causing trouble within the game then i believe we would get along fine, also you have to remember that these are my worse games performance wise (you're not gonna get reported when you're carrying)
kurnubego (EUNE)
: I find this quite comical actually. They take excess measures to control the situation, when in fact they still have no control over it. While person with chat restriction would be more motivated to play on his account which is he put adequate amount of time while not causing any problems for anyone in regards to speech. You know the account, you can control it. Now you sent person to do whatever a new again and have no control of it's new incaranation. And he won't even care that much by that point, because that new account didn't have that much time invested into it. For example, today when leveling my EUW account, I met a player named "Frenchies suck 27". And as to justify his name, he/she was pretty vocal about how one feels towards people of french ethnicity. Something tells me it's not his first account.
Another problem that stems from this that I have seen is that a few people i know who have had or do have high elo accounts have gone into elo boosting as means to regain what they had on their main once again after getting perm banned and it fuels people to actively try to destroy the game, they don't understand their players and they don't understand the correct way to control them, for example in my case i was not someone who tried to ruin the games I was in I just wanted to gain elo which is common with a lot of people who receive these bans and as you said they are then on a fresh account that they don't care about that they will intentionally start trying to ruin the experience for others, the toxic community is growing as you can tell from people such as tyler1 being glorified in the community and if they don't make a change this will not stop, also you have a very good point in the fact that they can keep up with what someone is doing on an existing account that has restricts and once they remove the account they don't remove the player, it also gives them a very good reason to try to get 'revenge' for their accounts being taken away.
kurnubego (EUNE)
: Yeah. I guess loads of people will condemn you how toxic you are and bla bla bla. Frankly, I would have muted you after your 2nd line. But that's just 'alongside' the point. Personally I find zero problems with what you wrote. And the idea that someone wrote something what other person could take as offensive to be big enough reason to get banned from the game, even if repeatedly done so, is absurd. There are mute button available for all players who can opt out from this issue. Even so, if we go extra miles to pet our little thin skinned cucks (no, it's not a misspell), we can chat restrict people. Problem solved. That is all that is needed. Unless it's something hateful and directed at specific group of people or person. And please don't devalue word hateful. It means what it means, someone trash-talking someone else isn't hate. If you get triggered by "get-carried" when you're a man-child. Phrase doesn't hold any value whatsoever outside the context of the game. And yes, this means a lot if we gonna judge what is hate and what is not. "Get cancer and die" will retain it's meaning outside the game. Word "%%%%%%"(huh they censor racial slurs, who would have thought) will retain it's meaning outside the game given certain cultural context IRL. And in general, I find this cesspool of self-righteous do-gooders more toxic and factually harmful than supposed "Toxic" people who wrote something someone didin't like in all chat. Sadly, they think they are doing morally correct thing. Which is the hardest part. Anyway, that's a different conversation, one, that people here can't handle in their 'safe-space'. There is little point to ask for factual reasons where you crossed the line. They don't care, but even if they did, they couldn't give you an answer or actual reason, because there isn't any. Here someone's feelings, who they have full control over, are more important than your rights as a customer. And they will point to some vague guidelines which can be interpreted in any way they seem fit. Besides, no-one really even looked your case up before. Bots do, system works like false DMCA on youtube. So while you could find supporters on your case, that amounts close to nothing when it comes to having it resolved in fair manner.
Thank you for taking the time to read and respond, as someone who has played this game since season 2 I also think that something new needs to be done on how they deal with 'toxicity' and all attempts they have made to do so have of yet not proven positive and I also believe that perma bans are not healthy for the game as people like me who receive them will make new accounts as i have and while leveling will completely ruin the new player experience by totally crushing new players, so in this manner they are hurting their own player base. It's also true that they don't care why you're banned once you're banned you're just a piece of shit in their eyes that totally 100% deserves it no matter what, once you've got that label as 'toxic' you're done for. Also thank you for taking the time to write back I hope your response will prove useful in future matters involving my account and many others that have received equal punishment.
Zero Elo (EUW)
: See i can't argue my point as the old tribunal system isn't here and i can't show you the chat logs, again if you took the time to read before commenting you would already know that this fiora top i was speaking to was your average "i lost lane i'll blame the jungler" and due to my bad start i wasn't really having pressure on the map, my agitated response did not come out of nowhere but as a retort, they say don't fight fire with fire yet here i was just pointing out their mistakes and then added than unnecessarily at the end, you've missed the entire point of this thread by reading it very quickly and not thoroughly at all, i will admit that I didn't need to say that however do you think i deserve to have my account PERMANENTLY banned for this one thing that you have pointed out, i was asking for other opinions on if my ban was justified and all you can point out that i have said that is agreeably toxic is that one thing and in your opinion is that enough to have my account permanently taken away from me, I did not ask for a lesson on how to copy paste.
Also just to add to that last point the game i was playing was at platinum 5 level, i expect no one in that game to be a 'newbie' which makes point 8 irrelevant
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
See i can't argue my point as the old tribunal system isn't here and i can't show you the chat logs, again if you took the time to read before commenting you would already know that this fiora top i was speaking to was your average "i lost lane i'll blame the jungler" and due to my bad start i wasn't really having pressure on the map, my agitated response did not come out of nowhere but as a retort, they say don't fight fire with fire yet here i was just pointing out their mistakes and then added than unnecessarily at the end, you've missed the entire point of this thread by reading it very quickly and not thoroughly at all, i will admit that I didn't need to say that however do you think i deserve to have my account PERMANENTLY banned for this one thing that you have pointed out, i was asking for other opinions on if my ban was justified and all you can point out that i have said that is agreeably toxic is that one thing and in your opinion is that enough to have my account permanently taken away from me, I did not ask for a lesson on how to copy paste.
Zero Elo (EUW)
: if you would have read my thread properly then you would understand the game i said get carried i was 3-16 and got hard carried it was sarcasm, thought you didn't read it so you don't know that. and saying you're terrible wasn't constructive that was straight up toxicity, but you're missing my point what im trying to say is that im being told my behaviour is disgusting and unacceptable, that i'm an extremely toxic player that is destroying it's player base though even riot understand that tensions can arise while playing ranked and this was simply an outburst while playing, also i didn't play for a while but i kept upto date on watching streamers and players, while my mechanics got worse my overall game knowledge increased(just replying about the not playing ranked in a while thing)
also the part of the summoners code that you linked in the chat is not about ingame feedback to other players that overall feedback to patches and balance changes, please spend more time reading things before throwing out your opinion.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
if you would have read my thread properly then you would understand the game i said get carried i was 3-16 and got hard carried it was sarcasm, thought you didn't read it so you don't know that. and saying you're terrible wasn't constructive that was straight up toxicity, but you're missing my point what im trying to say is that im being told my behaviour is disgusting and unacceptable, that i'm an extremely toxic player that is destroying it's player base though even riot understand that tensions can arise while playing ranked and this was simply an outburst while playing, also i didn't play for a while but i kept upto date on watching streamers and players, while my mechanics got worse my overall game knowledge increased(just replying about the not playing ranked in a while thing)
Zero Elo (EUW)
: you have't taken the time to read this thread, please don't reply without reading it, it loses purpose if you do so
also if you want to read this https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player criticism on other peoples plays is not reportable by these standards
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
you have't taken the time to read this thread, please don't reply without reading it, it loses purpose if you do so
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