Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zockerede,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=eqEXEWeE,comment-id=000900000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T17:39:45.122+0000) > > Of course intent matters. It makes all the difference between intentionally trying to provoke someone or just make sure the other players are on the same page about the situation in the game. So no shit, Sherlock. Report feature is a threat to all the toxic assholes. They have no right to complain about the fact that people are calling them out for what they are deliberately doing. Nobody is directly addressing the troll or poking at him (you can't prove that if there are no personal attacks in the chat), it's the rest of the players communicating between each other. You gonna tell they can't do that? :D In this case no. Why ? because, you are using the existence of a feature as a weapon against someone that is breaking the rules, ergo you are abusing that feature. There is no point in making "*sure the other players are on the same page about the situation in the game*" because they are already aware of it. And if you are referring to the opponents, well, sadly for you, it's just the word of one against the word of another, a.k.a hearsay. "*Nobody is directly addressing the troll or poking at him*" ? ... Asking for *nobody* to be reported is not targeting somebody ? Interesting. > I can think of any excuse to make anything look like bullying. Me getting sued and fingers pointed at me in a court of law can be painted as bullying and moral damage. Surely. But that would be ridiculous. Just like your idea of "intent doesn't matter". Lol. In real life the intent behind a crime can mean a difference between 6 years in prison and a life sentence. Take that example with a grain of salt but you get the point. You, once again, are resorting in abusing a feature, ergo your intent matters not, aside as you point out of delaying your punishment. It's quite resonable to assume that if you "used" Report Calling (yes, this term exists for years now) then you began gathering heat in the system, you gathered more heat than lost, so the end result was a CR. > Like I said, I have different experience with how IFS works and IMO amount of reports actually matter. Unless riot games developer can send me their system data, I will stick to that belief based upon my own experience. Suit yourself. Been playing this game since 2010, through several iterations of the punitive systems of Riot, so I guess my experience doesn't matter. > Wrong topic? Well the first one was deleted because community couldn't handle the truth. No rules were broken by posting that yet... you see. Riiight, I'm fairly certain that it was deleted exactly because of that. I am not gonna hijack this topic more, this is the last time I reply to you. Have a good night, and great life. :)
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=eqEXEWeE,comment-id=0009000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T20:23:27.149+0000) > > In this case no. Why ? because, you are using the existence of a feature as a weapon against someone that is breaking the rules, ergo you are abusing that feature. There is no point in making "*sure the other players are on the same page about the situation in the game*" because they are already aware of it. And if you are referring to the opponents, well, sadly for you, it's just the word of one against the word of another, a.k.a hearsay. > > "*Nobody is directly addressing the troll or poking at him*" ? ... Asking for *nobody* to be reported is not targeting somebody ? Interesting. > > You, once again, are resorting in abusing a feature, ergo your intent matters not, aside as you point out of delaying your punishment. It's quite resonable to assume that if you "used" Report Calling (yes, this term exists for years now) then you began gathering heat in the system, you gathered more heat than lost, so the end result was a CR. > > Suit yourself. Been playing this game since 2010, through several iterations of the punitive systems of Riot, so I guess my experience doesn't matter. > > Riiight, I'm fairly certain that it was deleted exactly because of that. I am not gonna hijack this topic more, this is the last time I reply to you. Have a good night, and great life. :) **_ There is no point in making "sure the other players are on the same page about the situation in the game" because they are already aware of it._** They might not be paying enough attention to the chat. Maybe they haven't been reading it? And so you have to repeat several times at different stages of the game? **_"Nobody is directly addressing the troll or poking at him" ? ... Asking for nobody to be reported is not targeting somebody ? Interesting._** That's why I put word "directly" there hoping one would understand I am talking about players discussing the situation mentioning the offender in 3rd person and not addressing him directly. **_You, once again, are resorting in abusing a feature, ergo your intent matters not_** Abusing a feature is an intent in itself lol. Your whole argument is based on assumption that everyone is an asshole and has bad intentions. Maybe there's a problem with your personality and how you view things. Just a tell I picked up. Every player is a part of the game and the story that comes with it. Whether it's negative or positive. And players have all the right to discuss it as long as they keep it respectful. And if you're an offender in that story then you have no right to complain about someone else addressing the elephant in the room that is you. _Have a good night, and great life. :)_ Couldn't have found a better phrase to use it here myself. Thanks. Have a good night, and a great life. :)
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zockerede,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=eqEXEWeE,comment-id=0009000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-20T16:59:19.299+0000) > > All I need to say to that: > > _Report Option, for using it as a form of threatening, bullying_ > > Who said that's the reason? You think everyone is an asshole and that's why they do it? Honestly, nobody cared about that toxic player. He is a sad person and no need to bring him more pain than he already endures. I called for reports because I wanted the person to get more reports and a quicker punishment. Which from my personal experience makes a difference regardless of BS Riot feeds the players. It doesn't matter what is your intent, because in the end, you are using the Report Feature as a threat. So, even if you are not an arsehole, using the feature in the way you did, makes you one of them. You are effectively saying to me that it's ok to bully the bully, to stoop to his level, over a game nontheless. How does it makes more difference ? In an automated system there is no need for 'x9 report' anymore. One instance is enough for the system to trigger an investigation; after it's triggered the investigation will look at the logs/data and not how many people reported him, and based on the log data it will make a decision whether that Summoner will be punished, or maybe flag him and add a counter before punishing him, in the off chance of a "bad day". Weighting factors were used during the days of the Old Tribunal, but in an automated system, again, they are pointless, because system will objectively search the logs based on the rules its core program follows for making decisions. Also ... Wrong topic ?
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=eqEXEWeE,comment-id=00090000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-20T17:20:35.969+0000) > > It doesn't matter what is your intent, because in the end, you are using the Report Feature as a threat. So, even if you are not an arsehole, using the feature in the way you did, makes you one of them. You are effectively saying to me that it's ok to bully the bully, to stoop to his level, over a game nontheless. > > How does it makes more difference ? In an automated system there is no need for 'x9 report' anymore. One instance is enough for the system to trigger an investigation; after it's triggered the investigation will look at the logs/data and not how many people reported him, and based on the log data it will make a decision whether that Summoner will be punished, or maybe flag him and add a counter before punishing him, in the off chance of a "bad day". Weighting factors were used during the days of the Old Tribunal, but in an automated system, again, they are pointless, because system will objectively search the logs based on the rules its core program follows for making decisions. > > Also ... Wrong topic ? Of course intent matters. It makes all the difference between intentionally trying to provoke someone or just make sure the other players are on the same page about the situation in the game. So no shit, Sherlock. Report feature is a threat to all the toxic assholes. They have no right to complain about the fact that people are calling them out for what they are deliberately doing. Nobody is directly addressing the troll or poking at him (you can't prove that if there are no personal attacks in the chat), it's the rest of the players communicating between each other. You gonna tell they can't do that? :D I can think of any excuse to make anything look like bullying. Me getting sued and fingers pointed at me in a court of law can be painted as bullying and moral damage. Surely. But that would be ridiculous. Just like your idea of "intent doesn't matter". Lol. In real life the intent behind a crime can mean a difference between 6 years in prison and a life sentence. Take that example with a grain of salt but you get the point. Like I said, I have different experience with how IFS works and IMO amount of reports actually matter. Unless riot games developer can send me their system data, I will stick to that belief based upon my own experience. Wrong topic? Well the first one was deleted because community couldn't handle the truth. No rules were broken by posting that yet... you see.
Aezander (EUW)
: Nah. I am no genius. I just read a lot of Asterix et Obelix. But thank you. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sPtifIIu,comment-id=001600000000,timestamp=2019-07-20T15:32:02.296+0000) > > You'presented a Chat Restriction for abusing the Report Option, for using it as a form of threatening, bullying, when you potentially know that as the current system works, it's pointless to ask for someone to report someone else, as your report is enough to trigger the IFS. You also ignore than you have to have been consistently found breaking the rules for reports to lead to any punishment. > > I've seen people bringing 14-day Chat Logs that contained *%%%* and *cancer wishes* and similar extremities that bypassed the normal Chat Restrictions. So, there a degree of separation when it comes to punishment. Is it a perfect system ? No. And it will never be. But don't also ignore that if someone got a CR for occasionally abusing the Report feature (using it as a weapon), it will take less time for someone that is being consistently being an arsehole in chat to receive a CR. > > You don't like Chat Restriction why ? ... Because there's no point in having a punitive type that serves as a slap on the wrist before starting to kick people out of their accounts ? ... Because if you are abusing the Chat fucntion you shouldn't get a restiction of it's use ? ... > > People simple to ignore the simple fact that not all all infraction/words have the same threshold, that not all people are on the same distance from that threshold, and that not all words end with the same punitive level. Why I don't know, probably because they see too many knights in shining armour everywhere and are blinded by the glare ? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} All I need to say to that: _Report Option, for using it as a form of threatening, bullying_ Who said that's the reason? You think everyone is an asshole and that's why they do it? Honestly, nobody cared about that toxic player. He is a sad person and no need to bring him more pain than he already endures. I called for reports because I wanted the person to get more reports and a quicker punishment. Which from my personal experience makes a difference regardless of BS Riot feeds the players.
: Then every single player is punishable. Come on buddy, you really think every single player reportcalls? Dont fool yourself. Reportcalling is negative attitude, it's griefing and it's annoying. Asking other people to report someone is useless anyway, since more reports doesn't help to punish someone faster. One report is enough to flag a player by the IFS.
> [{quoted}](name=MILLENNIUM SØNA,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-18T22:50:36.316+0000) > > Then every single player is punishable. Come on buddy, you really think every single player reportcalls? Dont fool yourself. Reportcalling is negative attitude, it's griefing and it's annoying. Asking other people to report someone is useless anyway, since more reports doesn't help to punish someone faster. One report is enough to flag a player by the IFS. If majority of the community doesn't realize it is a punishable offense and they keep misbehaving all the time then sorry but you are kinda pissing against the wind here.
: As long as it makes sense to the rules, it makes sense to everyone.
> [{quoted}](name=MILLENNIUM SØNA,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T22:53:25.350+0000) > > As long as it makes sense to the rules, it makes sense to everyone. well go ahead and then explain what retaliation has anything to do in this case and where i am trying to excuse myself and say that i didnt do something.
kjono1 (EUW)
: The number of reports have no impact on the outcome. 1 report has the same effect as 9 reports in the same match so asking for reports is nothing more than flaming the teammate which is harassment which is punishable. Retaliation is also not an excuse as you are just as bad as the person you are retaliating against; you are both breaking the rules and you can't blame the other person for you choosing to verbally fight back. You broke the rules, and as a result were punished in the form of a chat ban. As you were punished, you are aware that the reporting system does actually work and so instead of complaining and continuing to retaliate about the fact you broke the rules were penalised accordingly; recognise that you don't need to argue back and instead follow the rules and report those who don't in the post-game screen.
> [{quoted}](name=kjono1,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-18T22:09:03.463+0000) > > The number of reports have no impact on the outcome. 1 report has the same effect as 9 reports in the same match so asking for reports is nothing more than flaming the teammate which is harassment which is punishable. > > Retaliation is also not an excuse as you are just as bad as the person you are retaliating against; you are both breaking the rules and you can't blame the other person for you choosing to verbally fight back. > > You broke the rules, and as a result were punished in the form of a chat ban. As you were punished, you are aware that the reporting system does actually work and so instead of complaining and continuing to retaliate about the fact you broke the rules were penalised accordingly; recognise that you don't need to argue back and instead follow the rules and report those who don't in the post-game screen. how does that make any sense?
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=ScriptingExpert,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-18T21:56:52.725+0000) > > Oi snowflake, did you know, that stating the obvious is not harrassing? Holy %%%% you're daft. +1
Kurotsu (EUW)
: That's the shortest chat-log I've seen so far on these boards, to its credit Be nice next time :D
> [{quoted}](name=Kurotsu,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-18T21:53:20.611+0000) > > That's the shortest chat-log I've seen so far on these boards, to its credit > Be nice next time :D sure, ill just /mute all every player, every ping, every emote next time and if you want to communicate and win the game... well.. better luck next game {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
ShacoOrTaco (EUNE)
: You are harrasing people saying that you will report them and asking to report people. So yeah deserved ban
> [{quoted}](name=GitGudYasuo,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-18T21:50:35.766+0000) > > You are harrasing people saying that you will report them and asking to report people. So yeah deserved ban Ok... Which category should I mark when sending reports when someone says that word? Surely sending few hundred reports for that alone can't impact my own summoner account like Riot claims, right? :D
Cypherous (EUW)
: > Zockerede: gl report this Report calling is against the rules, so yeah what exactly is confusing you?
> [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0f4Xg0E4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-18T21:50:00.173+0000) > > Report calling is against the rules, so yeah what exactly is confusing you? every single player does the same thing? Should i be handing close to 9 reports every game myself then? :D Ok... Which category should I mark?
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