Quimsi (EUW)
: People are MONSTERS in ranked
>Your life don't end as soon as you lose a ranked game. If you play your game not like its a last game in your life, then you belong to iron for life, nothing is bad just ranked is not for you. Wanna relax, go to normals. Don't rage at people who actually tryhard.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: my last placement game
Around 50% of games you will have at least one troll on your side. Dodge when you get two or more.
Nilaim (EUW)
: Placement matches: That corrupt feature of LoL
Would be actually nice to see REAL hard reset, when everybody starts IRON-4, not this nonsense when people are initially divided and only shift downwards.
Nilaim (EUW)
: Placement matches: That corrupt feature of LoL
Placements are training grounds. Train your climb skills before you start actual rise. Polish your winrate to 80% size.
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=efTPFeoy,comment-id=,timestamp=2020-01-06T19:01:24.443+0000) > > ...what the hell rito are you out of your goddam mind? Giving marksman champion this insane sustain is totally nuts. > > No matter how good you throw your things into her, she has more health then you. > > Yea, She could be ganked. > > Still I don't understand why stupid rito devs give her free sustain. > > She is goddam marksman, she should not have any built-in self-sustain. Don't worry we live in super tank meta now, just play tank and you will outscale her after 1 item. For those who are wondering what am I talking about, this guy who made this tread replied the same to my post.
Yes, I was foolish to play Gnar, who literally suxx at tanking. Every time I have Ornn I easily 1v9 games. Noobs push me under tower, easy free win for super tank champs.
: Senna is actually really bad in solo lanes. I can't understand why you think she is op.
I think the same when I play jungler. I easily farm those dump noobs. But the lane itself is super opressive, and if jungler suxx, it is really anti-fun. I don't understand the reason why they make a champion you CANNOT trade with. It's like having this sololane Lulu from previous seasons. Same design mistake.
Beolius (EUW)
: Morde is just so broken. He can carry anything no matter how much feed he had.
Your IRON stands eternal!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Anti heal for AD champs costs 800g, anti heal for AP champs costs 3000g
I think it's goddam awful mechanic of the game - "cut healing". It just mixes everything up: Lifesteal (autoattacks), AOE Lifesteal (Hydra) , Heal from damage (DD, "spell vamp"), Heal from abilities (Vlad). **Lifesteal from auto attacks should never be cut by anything except designated abilities on certain champions.** If you cut lifesteal, how will be your Botlane Carries able to do something in this game? Developers just forget about whole classes or roles when they design this game. BOOM we get Heimer botlane, what the frikkin surprise. Just the consequence of "dump design" if you ask me. PS Lifesteal should be separated from everything else and deleted from effects of "heal cutter" items. If you want to beat enemy ADC, pick ADC yourself. And stop whine about "everything should have a counter". If everything has a counter, then how this goddam game should end? Everybody will counter each other and people will teamfight for eternity. Dragons is just a temporary fix for a games to not last for 40+ minutes.
: I realy miss S3 to S5 gameplay
Quite the opposite. Game is too hard, that even bronze people on Thresh must be able to land everything in order to get into S4. And it's not just your micro, but also macro game and mentality - never surr, playing around your carry as supp, or hitting every goddam CS you can as carry. OFC it's quite hard to farm in lower elos bcoz supports goddam awful there and they never punish enemy for harass. I farm like Platinum and I cannot get out of trash elo because 55% winrate is not sufficient to make it fast enough (its only 1 subdiv per 100 games). Or I have to play godlike number of games, Or I must make my winrate close to 80% playing like Diamond, perfectly on every move.
Rioter Comments
: Riot's new philosophy: Create disgustingly overpowered champions (Senna, Aphelios)
You are wrong. The most overpowered champion is Darius. He is overpowered since his creation and never was really nerfed. When rito asked what to do about 20-0 darius jumping 1v5, they just say "oh just kite him". Fiora and Yorick were bashed in the head with nerf bats only because they were close to reaching same strength as Darius. Became a danger for darius mains, I guess. That is why they were nerfed.
Shaebadu (EUW)
: do you smoke weed before playing ranked?
ashe is focus coz shes a stoner {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Hananim (EUW)
: Its not trash, viktors and ezreals highest winrate runes in korea are omnistone.
What the fudge r y talking about? Iron players? Omnistone is only kinda "good" exclusively for toplaners like Ryze/Kennen, and they can deal much better with something more reliable like Comet or Conqueror.
: Riot did everything to make squishies hardest ones to kill while tanks are papers compared
Tanks are no paper, this is super tank meta. Shen is not a tank. His kit is about trade-dueling melee 1v1, while being super-mobile from R+EQW. You want a real tank? Play Nautilus/Leona, instantly hook and thrash every goddam champion in every skirmish. Or may be you want a tank like Ornn, sitting AFK under tower always safely from shop-on-the-knee. Or may be you want a tank like Maokai, first few levels sitting duck, but later simply ignore all enemies. Or may be you want a tank like Mordekaiser, build HP-based stuff, simultaneously thrashing every goddam champ who comes near. Super tanks are in best form they could ever get in this game. They don't need to tank 40 minutes anymore, only for a few minutes during drake fights.
Rioter Comments
bPyWythe (EUW)
: "there is no elo hell" or is it?
Elo Hell is Real. Every dump person who does unranked-to-chally is just so dump that never takes real accounts, only fresh ones. Fresh accounts are not placed in Elo Hell. Good to play when your jungler/supp not suxin every time.
Get Juk3d (EUNE)
: I can, I'm rich af.
This game is broken af that only people who can pay for boost are eligible to play it.
Rioter Comments
Hansiman (EUW)
: Each queue has their own MMR rating.
Would be good if we had some idea about how MMR works. Because I had some jumps and downs with MMR when I was playing in December https://euw.whatismymmr.com/galoisgroup , but I am still the same Silver4-Silver3 elo.
Haha jaa (EUW)
: Is it just me or is tanks way to OP
This is the new Super Tank meta. Very similar to Tank meta of seasons 4 and 6. But much stronger.
Andrey0345 (EUNE)
: Yeah, nice joke mate. The only place that's possible at is iron 4, and still you will struggle. I hope you were kidding.
Well actually it happens every day on Diamond and Master streams. Tryndamere jumps, makes 2 autos and person dies :-) Much better Carry then all these useless marksmen.
: Adc are balanced around one job. Providing High DPS though auto attacks. the "though auto attacks part" is the tricky bit. because how can you make a kit if 80% of the power is meant to be in the autos? this is why most of the real "strong" adcs are purposly kept weak like {{champion:429}}. If kalista ever becomes "balance" she will dominate the entire game. Aphelios is a bit closer to her then people want to admit. For example which of the guns is the "bad" one? the isnt really one. one of the provides way more dps then should even be legal but if he doesn't have that does it really matter? So he an average adc with one gun being the sniper and every other gun is above that with 1 being way above that and a combo of 2 guns being STUPIDLY ABOVE that. what does that average out to? above average. thats why he is getting nerfed. (the was way to many averages) I dont mind him. for my champion pool he is an extremely easy champion to kill but for the aver
Andrey0345 (EUNE)
: Game is always full of useless trash. That's the problem growing from years ago where the meta has like 30-40 champions and everything else is just mediocre garbage which gets outclassed in every way by better picks. And I dont think ADC sucks right now, I actually feel like they are performing way better atm than they used to, just way more damage, but its my opinion. And giving kills to ADC isn't always the correct play because it depends how far behind ADC is and who REALLY is carrying the game, so it's dependable. > You play good, make penta with your spells. damn, if champ can get penta just by playing good, he must get gutted ASAP
>damn, if champ can get penta just by playing good, he must get gutted ASAP You are not required even to be good to get penta on Trynd. You just autoattack and they all die. But guess what? Nobody guts Tryyyynd.... :) :)
Rinart73 (EUW)
: Kalista is tricky but her E damage is pretty great. Xayah E damage is absolutely insane. She should be buffed only after nerfing her E. Sivir is annoying to lane against and she has a nice range. I haven't saw her in a while, but thats because current go-to ADCs are Caitlyn (who really needs a nerf) and Ezreal (who continues to be a spell spammer even after removal of Clepto). Kog'Maw deals insane damage with everything that it has. Varus is almost perfectly balanced. His arrow missing HP scale is too big in my opinion, but otherwise he is balanced. Playing ADC sucks because currently every new champion has engage, disengage, flash, dash and splash. Enemies just jump into you, oneshot you and then jump away. There are a bunch of champions who need: * Huge nerfs: Cait, Aphelios, Nidalee, Diana, Ekko, Fizz, Master Yi * Some nerfs: Akali, Nocturne, Kassadin, Nasus, Pyke, Senna, Sylas, Trynadmere, Wukong, Twitch, Quinn, Qiyana, Ezreal
>Enemies just jump into you, oneshot you and then jump away. Well that's not the only reason. As ADC I can stand aside from trouble. The actual reason why everybody jumps on ADC is because ADCs have literally ZERO damage from their farm. I'm doing top creepstat in game and still have zero damage. nobody is afraid of ADC champ without 20-0 score. And some ADCs cannot even be playable even with 5-0 score. Like Kalista - equals trash, even when you have gold.
: I honestly don't see a problem with the current state of adcs. All of the adcs are playable, some of them are really good depending on the teamcomp they are picked into and some are very situational. Why Aphelios is getting a nerf: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ebwi86/aphelios_flamethrower_ult_turnaround_penta/ He is basically able to simultaneously oneshot 5 champions if they are grouped too close together.
Oh WAIT Malphite is able to do the same. Five dumbs standing next to each with 20-0 malphite pressing one button! SO OVERPOWERED
Rioter Comments
Zeezilian (EUW)
: Why Yasuo is the most feeding champion ?
Certainly True Damage bro, Certainly True.
: So riot really doesn't give a damn?
The game itself is not a bad design or smth. The only problem is matchmaking code which really suxxx.
: How to beat Illaoi in Laning because her E deals a lot of damage from me.
So you finally found out that not all your matchups are good. Now you should decide what to do in such games. Because there is no champion without bad matchups. PS. Stop the broken mentality of dueling and focus on incoming super tank meta. Right now literally only one thing is stopping super tanks - Vayne Top. You can fix it by ban. Single ban lets you unleash hoards of armor on unsuspecting noobs who will be basically smashed and stomped right away. Everywhere below Diamonds noobs have no idea how to beat super tanks.
: Way too many trolls in this game
What do you want? It's a damn preseason. Even Normals are filled with dump idiots.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-31T00:22:05.755+0000) > > During season when I was serious and got +2 full divisions, I dodged even from promos. That is one of factors what can help you build mentality for winning in this game. You dont lose. Ever. LP doesn't worth a sh1t. During late season you can allow yourself to play a little for LP. Literally the only time when LP is something is when you are around "rank 1" point, that could be done at last month of season. But you are trying to keep high mmr to get the most LP possible in the end... You sacrifice little LP for the sake of LP generator...
That is not the reason. But with high MMR you get bigger LP increment and smaller decrement. So giving up divisions in favor of good rating is paying off. But general idea is that LP/divission is only useful at the end of season. Because it will influence next season placement. And MMR will be resetted anyway. So you can throw some MMR in presesason...
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T22:40:56.012+0000) > > No you don't. LP give you basically nothing. Matchmaking is only decided based on MMR. Hey, do you wanna be high elo or just play against high elo? Mmr only makes you play against higher elo but with 0 LP you wont pass to higher rank. I really wonder whether you troll me here...
During season when I was serious and got +2 full divisions, I dodged even from promos. That is one of factors what can help you build mentality for winning in this game. You dont lose. Ever. LP doesn't worth a sh1t. During late season you can allow yourself to play a little for LP. Literally the only time when LP is something is when you are around "rank 1" point, that could be done at last month of season.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T04:04:54.825+0000) > > Easy. When you choose between LP and MMR, you choose the second one. Lol. But you need that mmr for the sake of LP. And Once game ends up badly, the game does not ask you what you wanna preserve, you lose both. And what I said what I said about score can have influence also on mmr...
No you don't. LP give you basically nothing. Matchmaking is only decided based on MMR.
: 55% winrate was the difference between me staying in diamond 4 and hitting master tier with Rakan earlier this season. You will climb *very* quickly with a 55% winrate. You do have a point, though: You shouldn't expect to climb over a small number of games. But that's why ranked is supposed to be a continuous progression, rather than a sprint of 20 games :)
100 days of climb for a subdivision. Then developers change balance. Your pick is busted. You have to change role, change pool etc. Your progress is broken. Then new season comes, Elo is getting reset. You achieved nothing. Congrats. Again as I said, one must already be challenger in his plays to get at least 75% winrate required to climb. Out of 4 games only 1 lose allowed. I know its possible because I did it. And I just told this guy how its done. You either become challenger right off the bench, or you forget any idea about climb.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T04:14:41.500+0000) > > I also said that silver player cannot turn himself into challenger player on his own. You don't need to be at challenger level to get out of Silver. All you need is to play **consistently** better than Silver. Did you even read what he said? > [{quoted}](name=A Red Herring,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-30T01:44:28.875+0000) > > play consistently at a level that is better than silver. I mean, in general, that's all you need to climb above any rank. Consistency is key.
Wrong. if you play with 55% winrate, you won't climb anywhere high. Definitely won't climb out of silver. It can give you 20 LP profit out of 20 games, count yourself how much you gonna play. Games only fair at "first game of day", so go on, count. 20 days 1 game per day, 20x5= 100 days of climb just to get 100LP for single subdivision.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-12-30T03:41:16.656+0000) > > You can climb out of any elo, if you are already challenger tier player. So, you agree with him? You can climb out of any MMR if you're good enough. That's exactly what he said. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
I also said that silver player cannot turn himself into challenger player on his own. May be if he started playing at season 1, then MAY BE.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=galoisgroup,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T03:46:33.932+0000) > > LP does not have anything in common with climb If you dont need LP, then how do you get into promotion? You need certain amount of wins to get into promo and then you can get into higher rank. So by lowering amount of lost LP, amount of needed wins also gets lowered, since, hands down, no one has 100% WR in longterm, not even you. What you said, is:" Water does not have anything in common with my thirst." {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
>If you dont need LP, then how do you get into promotion? Easy. When you choose between LP and MMR, you choose the second one.
HideSide (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=A Red Herring,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=fluPhs3n,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-30T03:14:52.864+0000) > Lol, you are really everywhere :D ( I dont mean it badly) . Since when rioters started so actively chat with ppl on boards? Well, anyway, I am not here because of you... so... > I have several accounts that disprove your theory :) You can climb out of any elo if you are good enough! Well, the thing is that 2 two "equally" good players needs different amount of patience to win enough games for certain amount of LP.
LP does not have anything in common with climb
: I have several accounts that disprove your theory :) You can climb out of any elo if you are good enough!
You can climb out of any elo, if you are already challenger tier player.
Billiast (EUW)
: Hardstuck in silver
There is no way out. Only a way down into Elo Hell. All ways up are already taken by boosters, these ways were not meant for you to use. You either become a booster yourself, playing only Duo with support like Mata or jungler like Clid or you stuck in trash forever.
: And yet they can all climb to very high elo with ease while normal silver players can't. So, i'd say there is definitely a difference in skill there.
Everything below G4 is league of trolls, everything above G4 is league of boosted.
A1laku (EUW)
: I said it before. Low elo is League of Smurfs/Boosters while high elo is League of Boosted.
: I'm just going to assume your comment is a joke.
Have you ever seen a challenger games on NA. Troll fiesta. There is no difference from silver, but only the size of MMR. They are not better then silver players in any way.
PurpleOrk (EUW)
: If you're stuck in low elo when the system kicks in hard to force you to 50% winrate, that's where you stay. At that point you either start smurfing or get someone reliable from really high to boost you in duo.
it doesnt force 50%, it is forcing you to sit in a division you had in previous season by giving trolls, inters etc.
: I would recommend you pay attention to the tags on that website to show where you could improve. You have low kill participation, low turret damage and low champion damage. These are all factors as to why you're earning less gold than your counterparts. > He just cheated your bounty or whatever system There's no cheating here. The systems in play, like turret plates, bounties, etc, are available for everyone to take advantage of. In order to succeed in a game of SR, you need to take advantage of the systems that are in place. > to abuse players like me What playstyle do you have? Perhaps I can help you identify where your playstyle needs to change in order for you to have better success? While criticism of the systems in play is definitely welcome, they aren't *all* going to change overnight, so perhaps I can help you learn where your shortcomings are
Well there is nothing could be done about this https://imgur.com/a/HkA8rwN I play well above this elo, and actually I don't want any "climb" anywhere. Only thing I want is that matchmaker code should not decide my games before I even started to play. like in that one. Because I don't want another "exercise of dodging trolls". "Iron + 2 Bronze + average player + me" cannot be equal to 5 average silver players. The bronze 30% support I got, he does not know what enemy abilities do. He does not know what Aphelios is doing. He does not even know what his abilities do. He basically should never get matched vs 5 silver stack. Also the player on Teemo, he has absolutely no idea about this game. Why you keep insisting on placing new players into silver1? Every fresh account should be placed in iron-4 0 LP. That way they won't be afraid to lose, they have fun with similar players etc etc. It really feels like I'm being cheated by the frikking game. Placing me into matches which I don't belong, putting trolls into my games, forcing me to dodge every time and close this "game" while watching some movie instead of playing, it just looks and feels that game is trolling me. >What playstyle do you have? Perhaps I can help you identify where your playstyle needs to change in order for you to have better success? I play strictly ADC now, and I regret of switching to it, the role completely suxx. Every role suxx in league these days, but ADC suxx twice as much. ADC role is "you are useless until the end of game and there is nothing you can do about it".
: Towers, Plates, Baron, Bounty.
You just named exactly all fokk-ups that Rito did during last season. Every single idea was a total disaster. Plates - presented as "punishment for sololaners who roam" - in fact is a punishment for ADC when your support suxx balls, your enemy ADC just gets extra 4 x 120 ~ 500 gold out of nothing. Not because of your play, but because your support suxx.
: 3 more kills, 6 more assissts and 3 more cs.
So you basically say that 3 kills = 1 item. Screw this game.
: You were ahead in gold after 10 minutes. I can't see the full match timeline, but based on the XP chart: https://i.imgur.com/HIF0KDn.png and gold chart: https://i.imgur.com/WyFuu3v.png Tristana was ahead of you in gold until about 12 minutes, even though she was 30 cs down. 30 cs is essentially 2 kills worth of gold; given the dip in experience from the very start between you and Senna, it looks like Senna died as she was zoned off of almost an entire wave of experience. The rest of the difference early game can be explained by the fact that Tristana had a Nautilus, who grants her CS. This does contribute to her cs count, however the CS that supports usually take for Targons are usually siege creeps, which are 70g a piece. In all, she has about 1k more gold than we would expect at 10 minutes. She got two kills in bot lane based on the kill map. 2 kills + some targons procs = $$ :) After 10-12 minutes, it looks like Naut and Tristana start moving around the map together whereas you stay split pushing in one lane, which leads to you having a very significant gold and experience lead quite quickly. Since she's moving around the map with Nautilus, it isn't a surprise that she gains gold leads that keep her in the game for a short while due to turrets, turret plating and fights that she participates in while you split push.
Another game, with the same CS enemy ADC got 3000 gold out of nowhere. Game is broken. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/euw/4342969688#participant2 He is not having like super awesome score like 10-0 or something. He just cheated your bounty or whatever system to abuse players like me. Clearly your gold income ideas are too broken this days. To get diff like that I have to be 10-0 or something...
: I've just looked up the game you are most likely talking about. You were 4k Gold ahead of the enemy Tristana.
At the end, after we had Baron. Entire game near gold. May be 600-700 gold diff. I don't understand where she was getting all that gold. Players who do nothing in this game are getting gold, LOL
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