: Ranked flex attitude
Well ofcourse it's ranked, but there is an elitist feel that solo/duo is the real ranked as that's the only one that matters in most people's opinion. Admittedly I don't take flex as serious as soloq as I would play with some of my friends there that I wouldn't play with in soloq. Can only advise to try play in a 5 man permade if possible.
: Nope, it's true. I remember exactly ONE time where a guy wished me cancer. That was a amumu like 3 years back, shortly after the ifs was introduced. He got a permaban right after the game. Death threats are rare as %%%%. All of my friends would say the same lol. They never encounter death threats too. inting's the same. Can't remember the last time someone was inting in my games.
> [{quoted}](name=Bettnachleger,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZXMW4E1a,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2018-05-13T06:44:04.033+0000) > > Nope, it's true. > I remember exactly ONE time where a guy wished me cancer. > That was a amumu like 3 years back, shortly after the ifs was introduced. > He got a permaban right after the game. > Death threats are rare as %%%%. All of my friends would say the same lol. They never encounter death threats too. > > inting's the same. Can't remember the last time someone was inting in my games. I will agree with the death threats and cancer is a lot more rarer now too since ifs, but do see it now and again or maybe you're like me and a little negativity you don't really see as toxic or bothers you. Inting and afking is a problem though. Some nights I can play and it feels like there's an asshat every second game or some nights I can play and it's great.
: > I've seen countless amounts of toxicity. I've had people run it down mid during my ranked games, I've been told to die an unconfirmed amount of times but I'd say around 200-300 would be accurate. I've had a Draven one trick write down my name on a list and said "If I ever see you in my game again we lose" in a game where I was 16 - 4 - 30 on Sejuani which we won, because I took a kill bot. lol I'm playing since 2009 beta. i can count this shit on 2 hands(2 hands for each of these crimes). What am I doing wrong (or right) good sir? Would love to know.
> [{quoted}](name=Bettnachleger,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZXMW4E1a,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-05-13T02:39:23.849+0000) > > lol I'm playing since 2009 beta. > i can count this shit on 2 hands(2 hands for each of these crimes). > What am I doing wrong (or right) good sir? > Would love to know. Are you saying you've been playing since beta and you can count on both hands the amount of times you've seen that level of toxicity? Well someone's lying lol. Or you must have played 1 game a year or something. To OP send a ticket be nice try reason with them but I don't hold much hope unfortunately. They will tell you even though they know the chat log is not bad they will tell you you were still slightly negative and that's enough, shocking tbh.
: toxcity and chat restrictions (after a chat with what i assume is a GM?)
I only use chat when I'm telling someone they are a worthless boosted clown.. Pings are much more efficient than chat. I feel in game people react faster to calls with pings also. Would also prefer 0 chat in game the game would be better, keep chat for pre and post game lobby.(my opinion)
Zyzyx (EUW)
: You don't have to start from the beginning. What matters in League is skill and you still have that. The account is not overly important.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyzyx,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P4n8PhoT,comment-id=00040000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-08T18:20:20.202+0000) > > You don't have to start from the beginning. What matters in League is skill and you still have that. The account is not overly important. This is true, but people are salty over investing so much time and money into an acc and losing it(deserved or not). To be told you can simply make a new acc and carry on playing but were keeping the money and time you spent just seems like a kinda weird punishment lol. People say this is the highest reform rate and stuff, oh really why does the game feel just as bad and good as ever before, if anything it's arguably worse for trolls and toxic now.
: last chance program sounds great, it would really help the players who are truely reformed.
> [{quoted}](name=cheiften98,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wpIxxrN8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-09T01:23:38.189+0000) > > last chance program sounds great, it would really help the players who are truely reformed. Ofcourse it's a good idea, people get banned for less now so there is a much higher possibility of a better % pass rate now. I know from being on these boards from a few month now there's alot of decent people that have been banned and would take that opportunity with both hands and not mess it up.
: AAAAAND that's the 10th time someone suggested this this month! What do I win?
> [{quoted}](name=Player3Th0mas,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lE3q5t9k,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-07T16:37:05.387+0000) > > AAAAAND that's the 10th time someone suggested this this month! > > What do I win? Nothing. It's a valid point. I've been noticing it alot more recently too, this for me was the worst example.. 2 nights ago. Our kennen is afk looks like he hasn't connected. It's 2:40 It's fine we can remake very soon... nope he reconnects goes top is dc'ed teemo kills him and he doesn't connect the rest of the game lol so something like this guy said would be alot more fairer and useful.
: I merely see noobs anymore. When I started (season 3 or 4), I came across a lot of guys who, like me, had no clue what they were doing. They were building ap on garen, run under turrets, and didn't know any champ except their own ("wtf Im frozen why", "why is he invicible") Nowadays, any random bronze 5 knows how to swap tower's aggro when diving, zonya zed's ult and not to keep trading their opponents when they lose. There are smurfs and old timers everywhere. Which gives the impression there are no new players.
> [{quoted}](name=ƒlash gorgone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yzhXELLg,comment-id=00010002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-06T04:55:23.388+0000) > > I merely see noobs anymore. > When I started (season 3 or 4), I came across a lot of guys who, like me, had no clue what they were doing. They were building ap on garen, run under turrets, and didn't know any champ except their own ("wtf Im frozen why", "why is he invicible") > Nowadays, any random bronze 5 knows how to swap tower's aggro when diving, zonya zed's ult and not to keep trading their opponents when they lose. There are smurfs and old timers everywhere. > Which gives the impression there are no new players. Thats nonsense lol i was helping a friend yesterday in bronze elo roughly b4-b2, 3 games and every game I had over 20 kills lol bronze is actually terrible I forgot how bad it was. Alot of people there aren't interested in learning proper mechanics and runes etc.
DutchPro (EUW)
: I mean the fact that in all these years where League has been the most toxic community nothing has changed means that maybe it can't change. Maybe there is something about this game that either atracts toxic people or can make people so easily angry that the only way to prevent this from happening is having to actually change the game into something else. Maybe there is actually no way to improve this game outside of trying to improve your own behaviour
> [{quoted}](name=DutchPro1,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yzhXELLg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-05T23:35:32.036+0000) > > I mean the fact that in all these years where League has been the most toxic community nothing has changed means that maybe it can't change. > > Maybe there is something about this game that either atracts toxic people or can make people so easily angry that the only way to prevent this from happening is having to actually change the game into something else. > > Maybe there is actually no way to improve this game outside of trying to improve your own behaviour I believe the game is it's own down fall, the game is so good and competitive it brings out the worst tilt in people therefore the community is as it is.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: More people have joined than have left.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yzhXELLg,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2018-05-05T21:46:20.431+0000) > > More people have joined than have left. One does wonder how many are actual new players though these days? I presume most new accounts are either botting accounts/Smurf or perma accounts . The game is certainly less popular now, it's not dying but certainly starting the process. A game like league will never truly die but it will end up eventually like wow, csgo etc with a healthy player base but considered dead to previously.
looonster (EUW)
: IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO BE TOXIC LET US REMOVE THE CHAT!!!!!!!
Although i don't agree with how you worded it, I think it would be nice to have the option to have no chat if said player didn't want to see it.
: > [{quoted}](name=ianFarrell,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P5xKkrp1,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-02T11:36:37.246+0000) > > Just remove chat the game doesnt need it, its mostly used in a negative manner. > > *bla bla riot tried heavy chat restrictions before and people just bla bla bla* > > No we dont need chat there is more than enough pings to communicate now. Remove chat and let people focus more on the game. If you are unable to have the self-responsibility and maturity to not properly use the chat function, then that is your own issue. Stop attempting to blame Riot or anybody else. And I love how you attempt to fob off the clear cut evidence, how laughable.
> [{quoted}](name=Chaocontrol64,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=P5xKkrp1,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-02T12:16:21.842+0000) > > If you are unable to have the self-responsibility and maturity to not properly use the chat function, then that is your own issue. Stop attempting to blame Riot or anybody else. > > And I love how you attempt to fob off the clear cut evidence, how laughable. Fob off? Not at all. I'm clearly stating a point that the chat is used 9/10 negatively so why have it? Clearly people don't have the self control to not use it so why have it when pings can do the same job?
: Please explain...
There's also a chance he never did anything before and the system could still in riots eyes justify this bullshit. Is it really useful to write anything in chat? Riot say they like chat because it's good for the game and communication. What communication can you give via chat that you can't with a ping?
: Riot punish Toxic people much Harder while they are not the real issue on LOL
Just remove chat the game doesnt need it, its mostly used in a negative manner. *bla bla riot tried heavy chat restrictions before and people just bla bla bla* No we dont need chat there is more than enough pings to communicate now. Remove chat and let people focus more on the game.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: SEND A TICKED. anyway chat restriction is nothing valuable. but consider that to enter in the punishment system u dont need just 1 game, so it assumes u have a past of mildy toxic behaviour that summed together lead you to chat restriction. TL;DR: stop using the chat
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Up9BhcRK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-30T15:33:45.390+0000) > > SEND A TICKED. > > anyway chat restriction is nothing valuable. > > but consider that to enter in the punishment system u dont need just 1 game, so it assumes u have a past of mildy toxic behaviour that summed together lead you to chat restriction. > > TL;DR: stop using the chat How is it not valuable? Hes on the ladder now on the punishment system for lets be honesnt nothing. If something similar happens hes now on 25 cr then hes 1 step away from 14day for jack shit. Also loses all his honor too for nothing but no its not valuable. No other game in history would punish a player for this chat log its actually laughable. I know you think its bad too as you said he should send a ticket so this isnt aimed at you but people will actually come on this thread and try to nitpick on mild words to justify this nonsense.
: Toxicity and being "Too sensitive"
Wow somebody wrote " lol " after you made a mistake... If that really annoyed you that much you should have muted him then after that. Imo it is banter, I don't think it's that bad at all sure he's acting like a cocky di%k. If that was all he did the full game then I think this is a prime example of people being to sensitive. If stuff as little as this tilts you should definitely consider removing all chat. That's my opinion though
: A difference between flaming and intentionally feeding is that people who flame sometimes don't know what they got banned for or say that find their behaviour justified. With intentionally feeding people generally know extremely well what they got punished for and therefore don't complain on the boards about their punishment. Furthermore, intentionally feeding happens less often than verbal misbehaviour, so there are less cases to be made a boards post about.
> [{quoted}](name=Monsieur Kast,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zAiMdcIl,comment-id=000b000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-29T15:15:33.424+0000) > > A difference between flaming and intentionally feeding is that people who flame sometimes don't know what they got banned for or say that find their behaviour justified. > With intentionally feeding people generally know extremely well what they got punished for and therefore don't complain on the boards about their punishment. Furthermore, intentionally feeding happens less often than verbal misbehaviour, so there are less cases to be made a boards post about. Sorry but this is horse shit. People just try and justify it because in there head to them it isn't worth a ban, riot disagrees. People are well aware they are flaming. There's no posts because the inters are hardly getting banned simple as that, unless they go on a crazy spree of inting in multiple games and still even then not as much. So only people who get banned for flaming only care about losing there account, all other types just gracefully accept and move on? Don't think so.
AngryKutu (EUW)
: It is ironic since I also earned an honor badge from that game, without any premade allies, but as I said I have contacted riot support prior to this thread for an official take on the subject. I merely posted this board to get an idea of what the norm for player behaviour issues is, since I had never had to encounter them for years upon years, wouldn't want to start arguments here.
> [{quoted}](name=AngryKutu,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=i54BIB6N,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-29T07:51:08.709+0000) > > It is ironic since I also earned an honor badge from that game, without any premade allies, but as I said I have contacted riot support prior to this thread for an official take on the subject. > > I merely posted this board to get an idea of what the norm for player behaviour issues is, since I had never had to encounter them for years upon years, wouldn't want to start arguments here. Yeah it really is nonsense tbh. I hope you get it sorted and get it removed although I don't have much belief in riot support. If they give you the robot answer tell them youre not happy with the response, keep replying eventually a person will answer. If they dont remove it be careful when you are unbanned because any form of negativity no matter how miniscule it is can result in a perma ban. Keep us posted how you get on.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: ground basic communitcation? u probably dont know how punishment system works. 1 report is enough to trigger the system to check behaviour. opponents are not interested in his chat, neither in you parroting
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=i54BIB6N,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-29T07:24:32.989+0000) > > ground basic communitcation? > u probably dont know how punishment system works. 1 report is enough to trigger the system to check behaviour. > > opponents are not interested in his chat, neither in you parroting No the sad part is everyone probably agreed with this guy, but knows how the shitty system works and reported him anyway because they seen him type it.
Zyzyx (EUW)
: Context doesn't matter. There is no situation that allows you to flame. Like all people who flame you are trying to defend your behavior by explaining why you did what you did. But the thing is...EVERY flamer has a reason. That doesn't make it okay. Having a reason is not at all unusual and it doesn't change anything. The worst people in human history also had reasons for the horrible things they did. That doesn't justify it, that just explains it....two very different things. It doesn't matter why you called other players assholes, it just matters that you did. It's not okay, no matter why you did it.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyzyx,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=i54BIB6N,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-29T06:36:58.530+0000) > > Context doesn't matter. There is no situation that allows you to flame. Like all people who flame you are trying to defend your behavior by explaining why you did what you did. But the thing is...EVERY flamer has a reason. That doesn't make it okay. Having a reason is not at all unusual and it doesn't change anything. The worst people in human history also had reasons for the horrible things they did. That doesn't justify it, that just explains it....two very different things. > It doesn't matter why you called other players assholes, it just matters that you did. It's not okay, no matter why you did it. Why are you trying so hard to justify this ban? He repeated a word ffs stop trying to make him sound guilty. It's wrong end of. You're trying to justify it to begin with then tell him to send ticket, so is he guilty or not?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: I've seen several posts from people that were banned for intentionally feeding, and I've personally seen several of my own report go through for it. So your statement will need evidence.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zAiMdcIl,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-04-28T22:11:32.103+0000) > > I've seen several posts from people that were banned for intentionally feeding, and I've personally seen several of my own report go through for it. > > So your statement will need evidence. Several over how many years? The boards are filled daily with flame bans complaining they are unfair. Inting bans or trolling bans pop up rarely. If anyone had a brain and had been banned for inting they would all be on the boards crying they were just having a bad game. So sure we see some but hardly any compared to flame bans.
jÕhNyP (EUNE)
: %%% is insta 14 day ban
> [{quoted}](name=jÕhNyP,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Aqb9Uo0e,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-22T10:46:28.370+0000) > > %%% is insta 14 day ban Not all the time I've seen players write it in game and still play.
: Is this griefing?
I don't understand why people are trying to defend this kind of player, OP has stated the player knew what he was doing and enjoying it. Enjoying tilting you're team is trying to win? No doubt if you check the ziggs player history he probs doesn't play support and just felt like messing around not really caring because he was autod. We have all seen it.
: could you post the chatlogs, please?
> [{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=LLfhWZO8,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-26T07:30:58.543+0000) > > could you post the chatlogs, please? Curios as to why you want to see them? He's already stated it was really nasty and he's been punished accordingly.
πET (EUW)
: Do you think context SHOULD be considered when judging to punish a player for undesirable behavior?
Say someone on you're team spent the full game trolling, writing in chat he wanted to lose he doesn't give a shit etc. The inevitable has came the enemy are beating down you're nexus the game is about to end because of this one clown. Then someone on my teams writes as it's about to end. " Hey you fuc%ing cu%t thanks for ruining our game " Now I know most of you wouldn't agree with this but for me that's perfectly fine. The system would smash this guy if he was doing that alot lol. As I said I know alot of you won't like that but imo that's fine.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: He's being punished for being rude to his allies, and for threatening them that he's going to leave when things don't go the way he wants.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TZ5gXjZs,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-25T12:42:10.806+0000) > > He's being punished for being rude to his allies, and for threatening them that he's going to leave when things don't go the way he wants. I'm well aware. It's ironically funny too me though as I said if he just stayed silent and left the game, putting his team in arguably a worse spot then he most likely wouldn't have got punished ^^
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > I've heard on reddit that the ban punishment lowers by 1 level every ~3 months or so. If they said that, they're not providing the full picture of what Riot stated. It's possible to drop down on penalty ladders by showing actual good behaviour in many games over an extended period of time. The very least it would take is 3 months, but if you don't show proper reform you won't actually drop down on the ladder at all. --- > Another question is whether saying 'afk' and not actually going afk is a bannable offense or any sort of toxicity? Ofcourse. You're threatening your allies that you are going to leave, and you're just providing a negative atmosphere implying that you've given up on the game and won't try to win.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TZ5gXjZs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-24T13:20:25.189+0000) > > If they said that, they're not providing the full picture of what Riot stated. It's possible to drop down on penalty ladders by showing actual good behaviour in many games over an extended period of time. The very least it would take is 3 months, but if you don't show proper reform you won't actually drop down on the ladder at all. > --- > > Ofcourse. You're threatening your allies that you are going to leave, and you're just providing a negative atmosphere implying that you've given up on the game and won't try to win. The funny thing for me in this is he is punished for threatening to leave. Said he will afk out of tilt but no intention of doing it. Admittedly I've done this myself too. The funny part though if he remained quiet and just rage quit, actually putting the team at a handicap, he would be fine lel
: > [{quoted}](name=sirDarts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ElBETKzH,comment-id=00000001000000000002000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T09:18:50.374+0000) > > If they love the game, why would they risk getting banned just to flame someone? > Why would you invest in something if you are likely to lose it, because you can't stop flaming? > Same level of logic. > > I've been playing since Season 1. The system is WAY faster, unless you play like 6 or 7+ games per day, and then it's more or less the same speed. There is RNG, yes, but you are guaranteed 810 BE in every chest, AND if you get the shards you want, you save 50% on the champ. So all the RNG is in your favor, compared to IP. > > Why would they say it if the person hadn't asked for an unban? Of COURSE there is context. Support doesn't just say stuff out of the blue. You think people get banned delibrately? It's human nature to vent frustration some type some don't, some have better self control than others. Correct if you're playing alot of games it's worse. I don't know facts and figures for how many hours people play a day but alot of people will play alot, so if you play more you get less that's a good system huh? You grind more you get less. No you made it out as there was a hidden message in the context of " so you think you reformed sure make a new account ". No it's plain black and white feel free to make a new account but the same rules apply, so if you haven't changed you will probably get banned again that's the context of it.
sirDarts (EUW)
: If they love the game, why would they risk getting banned just to flame someone? Why would you invest in something if you are likely to lose it, because you can't stop flaming? Same level of logic. I've been playing since Season 1. The system is WAY faster, unless you play like 6 or 7+ games per day, and then it's more or less the same speed. There is RNG, yes, but you are guaranteed 810 BE in every chest, AND if you get the shards you want, you save 50% on the champ. So all the RNG is in your favor, compared to IP. Why would they say it if the person hadn't asked for an unban? Of COURSE there is context. Support doesn't just say stuff out of the blue.
> [{quoted}](name=sirDarts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ElBETKzH,comment-id=00000001000000000002000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T09:18:50.374+0000) > > If they love the game, why would they risk getting banned just to flame someone? > Why would you invest in something if you are likely to lose it, because you can't stop flaming? > Same level of logic. > > I've been playing since Season 1. The system is WAY faster, unless you play like 6 or 7+ games per day, and then it's more or less the same speed. There is RNG, yes, but you are guaranteed 810 BE in every chest, AND if you get the shards you want, you save 50% on the champ. So all the RNG is in your favor, compared to IP. > > Why would they say it if the person hadn't asked for an unban? Of COURSE there is context. Support doesn't just say stuff out of the blue. You think people get banned delibrately? It's human nature to vent frustration some type some don't, some have better self control than others. Correct if you're playing alot of games it's worse. I don't know facts and figures for how many hours people play a day but alot of people will play alot, so if you play more you get less that's a good system huh? You grind more you get less. No you made it out as there was a hidden message in the context of " so you think you reformed sure make a new account ". No it's plain black and white feel free to make a new account but the same rules apply, so if you haven't changed you will probably get banned again that's the context of it.
sirDarts (EUW)
: You got proof that most banned people love the game? Grinding BE is actually quite a bit faster than grinding IP was in the past, so there is even less reason to buy champions for RP these days. And they definitely don't have any reason to buy skins, seeing that they now know how easily they are able to throw their account away. And yeah, they might buy an account to avoid the grind, but that's 0$ for Riot. There is context to the support message - they write it to people who ask to be unbanned. So it's more in the lines of: "So, you think that you have actually reformed now? Sure, feel free to make a new account." Considering that low level accounts are punished more swiftly, and harshly, chances are that if they didn't reform, they will get banned again before they hit 30.
> [{quoted}](name=sirDarts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ElBETKzH,comment-id=000000010000000000020001,timestamp=2018-04-20T07:01:19.199+0000) > > You got proof that most banned people love the game? > Grinding BE is actually quite a bit faster than grinding IP was in the past, so there is even less reason to buy champions for RP these days. > And they definitely don't have any reason to buy skins, seeing that they now know how easily they are able to throw their account away. > And yeah, they might buy an account to avoid the grind, but that's 0$ for Riot. > > There is context to the support message - they write it to people who ask to be unbanned. So it's more in the lines of: "So, you think that you have actually reformed now? Sure, feel free to make a new account." > Considering that low level accounts are punished more swiftly, and harshly, chances are that if they didn't reform, they will get banned again before they hit 30. What everyone's just playing a game they hate then? My logic seems a little more realistic oppose to you're made up number who won't ever buy rp again on a new account. How long have you been playing? The new system isn't quite a bit faster at all and theres the rng factor to what comes out the chests. Theres zero context to it they tell you feel free to make a new account but the same rules apply as before.
: How can you keep calm and not get banned in league?
Just let it all out, tell them they are a %%%%ing clown and thanks for ruining youre game, oh wait don't because you just ruined someone elses game if you did lel
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000b,timestamp=2018-04-19T18:09:29.794+0000) > > I never stated anything like that? I said that Riot unbans people if their ban was unjustified. > > It doesn't make sense because yoyr arguments, so far, have been these: > > -people get banned for lesser things than before > -people get banned more harshly > -people report more easily than before > -more people would manage to pass the test (and it's in direct contradiction to the first 3 points, because *nothing* assures you that the reports would be unjustified!) > > So, I'm sitting here like ????? and wondering which of these contradicting statements make you believe that the experiment would have a different outcome, *given that the ban dealing system is fundamentally the same because it's based on Tribunal data and player reports?* You just said the overwhelming majority were justified meaning a minority wasn't justified then? Then i said i presume that the only ones that weren't are the ones riot lifted? *rolls eyes* According to you the report means nothing anyway unless it's deserved so that's nothing to do with it. The IFS system obviously bans X times amount of players way more than tribunal. Imo they're are alot handed out for petty things. I believe more people would reform now because of this as I don't think some of them have done much wrong anyway. They would love to get back on there account. So let me get this straight you are 100% sure it would have the same outcome to a carried out 4-5 years ago now that the banning process has changed?? Remove chat altogether. Oh wait no they won't because then no one would get banned, they would have to address the situation properly of actually banning trolls and inters.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000007,timestamp=2018-04-19T09:46:23.701+0000) > > CRs boast a 95% reform rate... but they're useless... right. For those who don't understand how much they're a liability to the team morale, maybe. > > People have always been upset at losing their accounts. They have always come to the boards to complain. And in the overwhelming majority of cases, their permabans were *justified*. I don't know where you get the notion that people managing to get permabanned after 5-6-7 ban steps would reform much faster than with the current system... I mean... they literally proved they *can't*, even when given several more chances. > > Because you literally just said that nowadays people get offended for anything, so they would report the applicants anyway. And the applicants are bound to be snippy because they are totally convinced their permaban was unjustified, and everyone else is a troll that doesn't deserve to play the game, while they should because they carry. > > How is saying that "people get banned for less things now" and "the experiment would succeed" *not* a contradiction, *given your own premises*? > > So, still convinced that the experiment would have a different result? So you're making an assumption that people will just report them anyway so they will fail? (Something I never said btw)(edit i probably have said that)which you replied to the correct person unjustified reports go unpunished anyway? You also just stated some of the bans are not even justified, so the only ones unjustified are the ones riot unban I presume? People get banned more harshly now than before therefore it could have a different outcome I don't know why that doesn't make sense to you. The way the bans are given now is different to before, therefore it could have a different outcome now as people get banned easier than before.
LVinCi (EUW)
: Hahaha i really love this community how people are so %%%%ing soft like this ? they all see your negative attitude while you had jungle ziggs and afk adc but where is the toxicity here ? i didn't see a 1 bad word like verbal abuse or racism or something , he didn't even insult anybody for destroying the game hello is this some wonder-world community when pink is everywhere and candies and stuff what the actual %%%% with these people and huma if you want an advice try something else than this game and wait until your account get released and do what this community really loves to see : troll and int and afk and be a "good boy" you will be appreciated by this rainbow unicorn's player base {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} and you did nothing you were just depressed by some ass-wholes and trying to relief yourself it was all natural reactions to feeling bad
> [{quoted}](name=LVinCi,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MYpEXwWq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-04-19T02:27:35.557+0000) > > Hahaha i really love this community > how people are so %%%%ing soft like this ? > they all see your negative attitude while you had jungle ziggs and afk adc but where is the toxicity here ? i didn't see a 1 bad word like verbal abuse or racism or something , he didn't even insult anybody for destroying the game hello is this some wonder-world community when pink is everywhere and candies and stuff what the actual %%%% with these people > and huma if you want an advice try something else than this game and wait until your account get released and do what this community really loves to see : troll and int and afk and be a "good boy" you will be appreciated by this rainbow unicorn's player base {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}} > and you did nothing you were just depressed by some ass-wholes and trying to relief yourself it was all natural reactions to feeling bad What do you mean you can't see naughty words? This animal asked for reports several times and called someone an idiot!!!! So glad this type of player is gone. (Sarcasm) Another account lost by the North koriot regime from venting his frustration from typing too much. Rip friend. *awaits downvotes*
: Permaban hackers/scripters/cheaters and Permamute toxic players and flamers
Why don't they say we can't stop you making a new account but we rather you didn't? We perma banned you so we rather you didn't play.
sirDarts (EUW)
: This pseudo-argument again... Sigh... Riot does NOT permaban players to make money! 99+% of permabanned players WON'T even spend money on their new accounts! Permaban is used to remove people from the game. Sadly there is no way for Riot to prevent them from coming back, they would if they could.
> [{quoted}](name=sirDarts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ElBETKzH,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-19T08:01:08.561+0000) > > This pseudo-argument again... Sigh... > > Riot does NOT permaban players to make money! 99+% of permabanned players WON'T even spend money on their new accounts! > > Permaban is used to remove people from the game. Sadly there is no way for Riot to prevent them from coming back, they would if they could. You got proof of that 99%?? Most people banned love the game and either buy or make a new account then buy champions because it takes so long to grind BE now and probably skins too. They tell you on the support feel free to make a new account you just can't access you're permad account, so do they really not want them to play?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000003,timestamp=2018-04-19T08:31:51.190+0000) > > But that's based on the incorrect assumption that players are more forgiving now than back then, which is not the case and a massive contradiction to what you stated earlier. How is that contradicting? You just have to look at the boards daily and see how many people are extremely upset about losing there accounts and would probably do anything they could to get access again, shame it took a perma ban for people to realise that, I don't even think the CR bans are useful they don't give the proper idea you're heading to lose you're account. The ban system has changed since the previous experiment so how is it not possible to have a different outcome now with a new test?
Shiwah (EUW)
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> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T20:46:10.500+0000) > > Actually, there were similar chat logs back then, so no, people have been banned for pretty much the same shit since 2009 - implying the players were, and are, a lot more strict than Rioters themselves. Except that death wishes and cancer stuff started getting thrown around in S4-S5. As i said people getting banned previously werent getting banned for shaming someone's league, calling them a %%%%ing noob, saying they think they picked a shitty champion stupid stuff really. It was probably pretty more hateful stuff. I've said many a times things like racism etc should be punished swiftly. Imo some of the other things are ridiculous. It really just adds to the point remove chat altogether we don't need it. 9/10 it's used for the wrong purpose. The system Is garbage it punishes way too harshly. A perma solves nothing when you can create or buy a new acc. I will add I'm not actually advocating for a new experiment to take place im more than happy playing on my new account. I would just really like the content I purchased back. I'm merely just pointing out hypothetically that if it did take place now it could easily have a very high % pass rate.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T19:24:55.872+0000) > > You literally said that people get banned easier *now*. In which way the experiment would have a different outcome, if you just admitted of believing that people get banned much easier since IFS has been a thing? Yes people are getting banned for much lesser things compared to then? Implying the sytem was a lot more stricter then? Therefore it could have a way higher pass % now.
Rismosch (EUW)
: You don't know how often I say those "trigger" words. I use "f.uck", "b.ullshit", "r etarded", "broken piece of shit champion I am so f.ucking tilted I want to hang mself" all the time, yet here I have a completely clean account with no punishment whatsoever. I never harass people, this is why I am not banned. I cry, but I don't harass. This is the difference. Of course it's still bullshit behaviour and I plan to turn that down, as I am a manbaby and I don't want that. If this is not proof that the system _only_ looks for trigger words, then I don't know. It checks context aswell and looks if you harass people aswell. If you did not harass anyone, then everything should be fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T18:23:17.948+0000) > > You don't know how often I say those "trigger" words. I use "f.uck", "b.ullshit", "r etarded", "broken piece of shit champion I am so f.ucking tilted I want to hang mself" all the time, yet here I have a completely clean account with no punishment whatsoever. I never harass people, this is why I am not banned. I cry, but I don't harass. This is the difference. Of course it's still bullshit behaviour and I plan to turn that down, as I am a manbaby and I don't want that. > > If this is not proof that the system _only_ looks for trigger words, then I don't know. It checks context aswell and looks if you harass people aswell. If you did not harass anyone, then everything should be fine. If youre using them all the time I call bullshit, youre either lying how much you actually use them, or people just don't report you.
Shiwah (EUW)
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> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-04-18T17:10:49.809+0000) > > You just defeated your own argument: back then, getting banned was *harder*. Which means that the test subjects managed to reach the impressive achievement of getting permabanned twice on the same account. You're good with words I'll give you that, The banning system has changed massively since the last "experiment" so therefore it could have a completely different outcome now to then as the circumstances have changed. People getting banned then I assume had to have been extremely toxic like really nasty stuff being said. So they probably just didnt give a shit anyway. Getting banned for stuff like shaming someones league, calling someone a noob, asking for a report. IMO these are ridiculous things to lose you're account over and these are probably the type of people who will reform I think. People get offended way to easily and people only cry about in League because riot actually punishes people over these silly things. If chat is essential to the game then why have 10 and 25 game CR? Then going to 14d and perma just seems too quick IMO.
ShanksFX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Don Corleone,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T15:27:46.608+0000) > > Not everyone who got permabanned is, as you said, a toxic butthole, and those that were, might have changed in those months that they were banned. Did you even read my post? Riot already tried it and EVIDENTLY almost everyone returned to their toxic behavior. And almost means only a few % even survived the trial period. Yes thats not everyone. But for those few people it is just not worth it.
> [{quoted}](name=ShanksFX,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4rnHwmAz,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T15:38:22.431+0000) > > Did you even read my post? Riot already tried it and EVIDENTLY almost everyone returned to their toxic behavior. And almost means only a few % even survived the trial period. > Yes thats not everyone. But for those few people it is just not worth it. You realise the banning system was different then? People get banned easier now it could have higher a reform rate now. That's just a lame excuse to treat everyone who raged like monsters and to protect the snowflakes.
: Permanently banned accounts (Possible solution)
Its funny everyone says that the current system has the highest reform rate, funny that because the game is in the exact same state its ever been no worse no better. I seen someone else saying flame is the worst form of toxicity because its on a personal level.. How personal is it from a complete stranger behind a screen? The good old yeah riot tried a similar thing years ago with X amount of players at a chance of getting there accounts back. So because these guys failed no one else should ever be given the chance to redeem there account? Lets not forget the banning system has changed since then so technically it could be a different mindset of player banned now and maybe they could reform, and I'm pretty sure there would be high success. Riot probably make more money from perma bans too, 0.006% is a bs number has got to be more now.
: If he wants to win he should give advice not blame. He didn't want to win, he wanted to have excuses. How often did he complain about ashe items and how often did he said what items would be better? I'm not saying he should get perma banned over this just saying if you want to win that a pretty stupid strategy.
> [{quoted}](name=Rptro,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=GB0OmrFU,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-04-18T07:48:45.878+0000) > > If he wants to win he should give advice not blame. He didn't want to win, he wanted to have excuses. How often did he complain about ashe items and how often did he said what items would be better? > I'm not saying he should get perma banned over this just saying if you want to win that a pretty stupid strategy. I agree with you too, its silly but never should result in a permanent ban its way too harsh. Have you ever tried giving advice in game lol its a coinflip what type of response you will recieve. As i said a permanent chat ban would work fine for this type of behaviour even then imo its harsh. But they treat all accounts the same all must be punished accordingly... unless youre trolling or inting ofcourse.
: Riot, Improve Ranked Behaviour Please.
Unfortunately i think this is just how league is and always will be, i used to get really annoyed and rage alot at trollers/afkers. I probably wont ever quit because i simply love the game too much no matter how shitty i believe the ban system or punishment system is. So yeah i dont think this type of behaviour will ever change, its better to just try to ignore it( easier said than done)or have a break. One of the points you made though the noct was just afk the whole game i think is disgusting that we as players in this situation are completely helpless and have to play out the game at a massive disadvantage.
JenShen (EUNE)
: This is why you get permabans these days
For me this is a perfect example of why permanent chat bans should be a thing, yes this guy has a negative attitude sure i can see that, only because he wants to win. You guys are happy hes banned for this?? Lost all his time and money for this? You could mute this guy and never see a word of it or simple remove chat altogether we got more than enough pings now to play without chat.
: You're right, unfortunately buying accounts is another big problem, though spending £10 just to get banned for one game hopefully still discourages players ^^ There's been too little improvement around the Feederbuster imo. It's hard to identify inting accurately, but the system is rather frequently missing cases that are too obvious to miss. --- I think Riot is trying to stay away from band-aid fixes and instead want to come up with a great and waterproof idea to fix this issue. Well, that's not gonna happen anytime soon though, I'd much rather see more small improvements. (Granted, they did tune it up a few months ago) ---- > but when a system bans people just for a word triggering it with zero context taken into cosideration imo i think is wrong. I'm not sure if I agree there, could you give an example? Most of the times when players mention context, it's something like _"I only flamed because I had a feeder in my team" _ or _"I was only saying this as a joke to my friend"_. I don't think such context matters, flaming is still harmful, even in those situations.
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PUVr7TqY,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T13:16:08.207+0000) > > You're right, unfortunately buying accounts is another big problem, though spending £10 just to get banned for one game hopefully still discourages players ^^ > > There's been too little improvement around the Feederbuster imo. > It's hard to identify inting accurately, but the system is rather frequently missing cases that are too obvious to miss. > --- > I think Riot is trying to stay away from band-aid fixes and instead want to come up with a great and waterproof idea to fix this issue. > > Well, that's not gonna happen anytime soon though, I'd much rather see more small improvements. (Granted, they did tune it up a few months ago) > ---- > > I'm not sure if I agree there, could you give an example? > > Most of the times when players mention context, it's something like > _"I only flamed because I had a feeder in my team" _ or > _"I was only saying this as a joke to my friend"_. > > I don't think such context matters, flaming is still harmful, even in those situations. Nice reply thanks, glad you agree on some of the points. Riot could clearly be doing way more, they are a multi billion dollar company things could change it feels like the way the current system is like hey we can ban loads of people this way so our system is great. One of the examples I can think of is some of the posts I've seen players saying they got banned for things like repeating something someone said to them, sure it may have been one of the triggered words but still that would seem harsh. I think riot has implemented a system that is way to harsh, a lot of people like myself sure I've told people to stfu, threatened to afk( not actually doing it) sure this is really negative I can see that is wrong, but sometimes its just frustration from taking the game too seriously and wanting to win too much. I never go in a game deliberately to lose, or if someone pisses me off so much it makes me want to lose either. People losing accounts all that time and money invested gone just like that, for losing my cool a little too much in an extremely competitive game I think is a shitty system, I'll add my account got permad in January this year and I had it from beta. Its amazing how I'm so toxic that it really took over 8 years to ban me.
: The game is toxic because of toxic people, yeah ^^ Most people care about getting banned, even if they don't say it. Those who still carry on will eventually stop having fun when they realise they can't level up an account without getting banned. --- IP bans are not an option I'm afraid, luckily it's rare that people go this far to flame you.
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PUVr7TqY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-17T12:54:17.510+0000) > > The game is toxic because of toxic people, yeah ^^ > > Most people care about getting banned, even if they don't say it. > Those who still carry on will eventually stop having fun when they realise they can't level up an account without getting banned. > > --- > IP bans are not an option I'm afraid, luckily it's rare that people go this far to flame you. A level 30 account costs like £10, the ban system is shit. Getting banned means nothing when you can buy or create a new account. Not implying there is an easy fix to this also. Me and alot of others who have been banned i think are a little biased in a sense that trollers/rage quitters/inters can pretty much run free and think the system is shit because only flamers are getting banned mostly. The system works great to a certain degree but when a system bans people just for a word triggering it with zero context taken into cosideration imo i think is wrong.
Myrhoej (EUNE)
: Banned for (14)days
Just remember boys any form of negativity in the slightest will result in a permanent ban now, be careful. I advise a /mute all, youre account is heavily marked now.
: Completely justified, you should've stopped argueing and focussed on the game, it's stressfull sometimes and when your behind and people gnaw at you that's not helping your attitude, i've seen myself in you, and i've been banned for 2 weeks. so i would say keep talking to an ABSOLUTE minimum tl:dr talk less , and the ban is justified
> [{quoted}](name=Fuhõ,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=bPVx0QZ2,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-15T05:12:17.302+0000) > > Completely justified, you should've stopped argueing and focussed on the game, it's stressfull sometimes and when your behind and people gnaw at you that's not helping your attitude, i've seen myself in you, and i've been banned for 2 weeks. so i would say keep talking to an ABSOLUTE minimum > > tl:dr talk less , and the ban is justified Yeah so justified, you're so happy he lost all his time and money from typing too much not like his team can't mute him or anything. /sarcasm off
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