: It's true, it happens all the time, but that doesn't make it ok. At least it's just a chat ban, just be careful next time. Or if you feel you can't control yourself just mute everyone.
Yeah, I know but there's got to be more actual progress, because it really isn't fun. I feel like they would do a much better job by just perma-muting flame initiators, instead of this imo Utopian approach. That just makes more sense to me. But that's just my opinion.. Not everyone is a cold hearted player who can keep a silent poker face though the sh*t storm. :P I do however wonder if this system is like this due to current technical constrains/loyalty to the old system. Why is LoL in particular like this...
: I hate when someone cries about being banned but shows only the 3rd game.. Gimme a break, im fed up with this shit
And I hate it when people don't bother reading through the topic, and only join the discussion in order to judge/condemn people, or cry about not being able to condemn them. The topic is clearly about one game and Riot's judgement on that, and about the report system in general. If you have no constructive contribution to the discussion, you better find another topic.
: 1. I am well aware of all that and I'm not defending myself with that... no need to attack me there. 2. Perhaps the 'frequency' they use is not in relation to games played but in time, which could give a disadvantage to people who play a lot of games. I admit I played a lot of games on this account, so it would make sense why I am suprised.
All I can say is, that I hope that it is like that.
: Again, you are misunderstanding. If you had only done this one game cause you were frustrated, but in other games you are usually nice, then nothing would have happened, even if you got reported. But you got reported multiple times in a short period of time, a couple of days, and it piles up. As for the other question, yes, you report called and blamed, it's 100% report worthy. Also, if I were you, I'd be very careful after this ban is lifted, the system is much more strict if you have a previous ban or restriction. A single game like this may get you banned 14 days.
Idk it seems way too over-sensitive to me if only saying that, while losing a turret, and report calling (not during the game but right before the nexus explodes) is considered a black mark, as almost every game I play this is the minimum scenario you get. (if you're at the losing side)
Rípley (EUW)
: What Sifflort said, it's unreal you actually need an explanation.. Do you not read what you say in games? _Rethorical question since it's obvious you don't_ I don't dispute that there are players in this game that play and behave like Riot bots, but what do you think comes from insulting them? There are players, especially midlane players who feed their asses to kingdom come, never ward despite being ganked 5 times inside of 10min, but instead sit on their tower ignoring their fed enemy at the cost of other lanes ruining the game entirely for everyone. Why would you say anything to them though?- they've already proved their idiots incapable of understand the game at the most basic level, nothing you say to them will change how they play.
That's exactly why I don't usually flame, there's no point. All I occasionally do is reply to flame, sometimes to seriously defend (explain why I didn't lose lane) and sometimes to just make fun of it, neither being directly insulting. And that is to people who don't seem to be heavy flamers in the first place - the heavy flamers I mute directly. All I'm asking is how riot can judge this text out of context as being inflammatory. Which lines other than me report calling are report worthy? If you can't give me one line, then it means Riot is judging with respect to context, but there is not one single sentence so you can't really judge without looking at what others wrote.
SiffLort (EUNE)
: You act like an asshole and almost everything coming from you in that game is irritating and annoying.
How can you judge without knowing its context? You can't take things I said out of context and say it's report worthy (besides the things I have already mentioned). And btw I wouldn't want to hear input from people who can't even refrain themselves from insulting in forums.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
1. I am well aware of all that and I'm not defending myself with that... no need to attack me there. 2. Perhaps the 'frequency' they use is not in relation to games played but in time, which could give a disadvantage to people who play a lot of games. I admit I played a lot of games on this account, so it would make sense why I am suprised.
: "ifeedyoudog: u guys lost htis" How is that not flaming others? Also I imagine Game 1 and 2 are much worse than this, so it makes sense that you got banned. Imagine it as a glass getting filled with water, if games 1 and 2 filled it almost to the brim with flaming, it only needs very little flaming from game 3 to trigger the ban.
I believe I was referring to the turret, but either way is that really report worthy for you? Also, game three is 4 days ago, while the others were yesterday....
Rípley (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IIeeawk0,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-11T19:04:53.598+0000) > > is the report system broken? I just got a 10 day restriction and they showed this chat text: > > ifeedyoudog: u guys lost htis > ifeedyoudog: 3 top > ifeedyoudog: nice reaction > ifeedyoudog: feed them > ifeedyoudog: then dont come > ifeedyoudog: ff 15 > ifeedyoudog: and im the one playing again counters > ifeedyoudog: with 2k ping > ifeedyoudog: look at shen farm > ifeedyoudog: that perma shield > ifeedyoudog: report bot mid' > No, the report system works as it should, and you shouldn't be playing with your mentality.
any explanation behind your insulting comments?
Dikast1s (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IIeeawk0,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-08-11T23:32:58.939+0000) > > When people go off flaming, they're usually not open to actual communication. Whatever you may have to tell them, they won't hear it. Think of them as enraged bulls with someone waving flag in front of their nose. If anything, it makes them focus on the game even less, and rage more. > > If you aren't toxic or trolling, nothing they report you for will stick. > > Saying "Shut up" is considered negative attitude, and STFU stands for "Shut the F*ck Up". Of course it's toxic. > > I wouldn't get rid of the all-chat though. How else am I to know who's dumb enough to rage at me for ganking in all-chat. The minute I see that I camp them and they tilt off the face of the earth. You think that "shut up" or even stfu is negative behaviour ? Have you been anywhere on the internet lately?
Riot doesn't seem to look at it in a relative way. They have this 'ideal player' attitude and anything divergent is considered toxic and thus punishable. Like even if the team is flaming non-stop, telling you to %%%, insulting your parents, if you say 'stfu a*hole' and mute them, it is already punishable and likely punished. And that is because the system doesn't seem to look at context. In person, I'm not really someone who let's people insult me like that so my natural reaction is to write back. When my first account got back I wouldn't mute, for my second account I would write back and mute, and still got perma'd. So I have come a long way :d but this is probably one of the least toxic games that I got reported for.
Estti379 (EUW)
: This is something that Shiwah might have eluded to already, but it was possible to get a reform card which had chatlogs with no toxic behaviour at all inside. Quite literally, there was an incident a year or two ago of a reform card who showed only "gl and hf, gg wp" and nothing else besides those two lines. That did happen in cases where the flame didn't happen ingame, but during the pre or post game lobby. Reform cards show exclusively ingame chat, though. In the end, I'll just repeat Shiwah again: contact support and ask them what is going on with that game specifically.
Could be, I guess, I'll try, thanks. I can imagine it being a pain to deal with the amount of games (cause like I said 9 out of 10 games do have toxic content), but resorting to bot-detected reports without reality check is annoying too. In the last game I played before I got the 10 game restriction, I was mostly afk but not intentionally (1k-6k ping spike), so I'm pretty sure I got reported multiple times. I also found it a bit odd why after more than 100 games I did not get level 3 honor, and I got an honor almost every game and sometimes even more. I wonder if it gradually takes into account reports as well. Sadly, after the punishment, it's down to honor level 0 though.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IIeeawk0,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-08-11T19:20:03.451+0000) > > You guys are missing the point, I'm asking whether it is normal to count this game in my record as a black mark. How can Riot count this game as a black mark, seeing I did not do anything report worthy? 1 game is enough. But yes, this game can also result in punishment. Asking others to report someone is against rules. Pressuing team into FF 15 is against rules. And u were pretty negative whole game.
Is saying 'FF 15' once punishable? I didn't force it, also didn't moan around/grief. I was actually surprised cause usually I write much more as I get annoyed at flamers. In my other two games' chat logs are pretty long, while in one of them I was really sick of it and started non-stop flaming (there I did deserve report). In the other one, I just had two lines where I insult the perma-flamer and then directly muted him until another flamer joined the storm to continue the discussion. There I also repeated 'stfu' and 'report x'. But in none of these have I started flaming, which doesn't have any value sadly enough.
: Then I am wrong on that one, although that phrase is often meant sarcastically. But how about the other points?
I don't know the other two, i think I was just saying back something they were saying, either way I was pretty passive and focusing on the game rather than chat. And I was muting the flamers (although it seems like I should've muted the one I was answering to as well.)
: I don't know if there was a chance things were misinterpreted by the system, however I feel you might have the wrong impression on how reports work in League of Legends these days. It doesn't matter how honorable you are in your other games. Each game is viewed separately. Another thing is that these days it doesn't matter how many people reported you anymore. It mattered back when we had the old Tribunal, because they had limited number of members and the more reports there were the higher the priority they would get. These days Riot uses an insanely effective automated system instead where 1 report = 9 reports. A report triggers the system, it investigates and determines if you were toxic or not. If you didn't break any rules, 9 reports won't do anything. If you did, however, break them, one report is enough to get you punished. As for chat restrictions, 10 isn't as bad as some people get, so you have enough room to reform without any worry over a permaban. To skip over the harsher chat restrictions and the 14 day suspension, you'd need to suffer from temporary insanity and write the most toxic vile stuff you can think of (racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, etc.). Or int, of course, which is a different type of toxicity, and not relevant to this discussion.
It does make sense, maybe the whole reason I even reply, is to try to lower the amount of people flaming/reporting me by defending myself and making them understand my situation. If I just accepted that its not the numbers that count, it might help. I guess the reason I don't believe in that though, is because in 9 out of 10 games there is always at least one person mentioning 'report X' and its just hard to believe that for almost every game there is one person punished. Now that I think of it, it could also be that because I play a lot of games, the report system looks at the time difference rather than the amount of games between the reports. Either way, it's just really annoying to have to mute a flamer and listen to another player and sometimes the enemy team replying to that person talking about me, sometimes even joining the flame storm, having to mute/report more, and then thinking 'great, I'm getting punished for this as well although I didn't start this'. Really I sometimes wish the game had no chat. Btw, is saying 'shut up' or 'stfu' also reportable?
: Perhaps it came off more aggressive then I thought, though my main point still stands. It's impossible to state whether or not this single game is ban worthy when this single game is not the reason you got the chat restriction, but three games together. Was this game on its own toxic? A little bit. But what you have is a culmination of toxicity over three games.
It's a bit odd to me, because there were countless great games with honors in between as well, this game was three days ago. Yes, the team was pretty toxic, but I was probably one of the least toxic ones. I'm assuming this is detected somewhat falsely by the system, either because I got reported by those flamers, or because of a false interpretation of the chat log, and should not really contribute. I am originally a toxic person, because of past servers where it was not regulated, but really changed and I am doing my best to improve. Sadly, I got my other account permanently banned this season, being my second account. So yeah, all I want it understand if its a mistake or if I really did something bad.
: how can you not see that you were toxic? -nice f -u guys lost htis -feed them that is negative behaviour / verbal harrasment. Comunication is meant to be constructive and informative or to make friends if you into that kind of stuff
'nice f' is something I wrote to the enemy team when they tower dove me, I clearly remember that, how is that toxic?? You don't even know what I'm saying, how can you judge on that. I was not flaming and not being toxic.
: Without chat logs for the other two games it's just your word against Riot's, and when that happens Riot always wins.
I didn't open this topic to ask you to support my appeal. I'm simply asking how they can use this specific game against me. SO please take off that judge cloak of yours and join the discussion in a normal manner.
: Ban Worthy?
You guys are missing the point, I'm asking whether it is normal to count this game in my record as a black mark. How can Riot count this game as a black mark, seeing I did not do anything report worthy?
GLurch (EUW)
: Since it says "Game 3", I'll assume you also got Game 1 and Game 2. You didn't get punished for Game 3 alone, you got punished for Game 1, Game 2 and Game 3 all together. Even if one of them wasn't that bad, you still got Game 1 and Game 2. As long as these are justified, your punishment is likely as well. Seriously, don't spend your time thinking you did nothing wrong because one of the three games wasn't that bad. You should have been nice in all 3 of them, yet you weren't. It's okay to be tilted once in a while, but it should stick to the "once in a while". If someone is harassing you, mute them. If someone is trolling... Well, do you believe flaming them will help anyone? If you don't need to say something, just don't say it. "Defending" yourself is also no reason to flame back. Muting and ignoring them is the best you can do in these situations. Fighting fire with fire doesn't end good.
This is 3 games out of a almost 2k i played this season. This is even lower than 'once in a while'. Besides that, if I recall correctly I got honored in those games as well. I defended myself without blaming anyone (referring to my score or ping), I did mute them as well, but as I mute them others join the flame storm.
: Ban Worthy?
I would also like to talk about my other games, of which one was pretty toxic I admit that I was fed up, but the other one was a game where I was playing with 6k ms ping and doing my best to fix it, while my adc was non-stop flaming me and spreading it to others. The only thing I kept answering is explaining that my pc is fine with 120 fps and that i played 4 games with no ping and that I suddently have a spike (pinging my ping), and telling him to 'stfu'. Now, this happens so much in league, is it really punishable to say shut up (stfu) and mute someone??
Rioter Comments
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Again, thank you, but I'm not asking for your opinion about the chat system. I'd rather have riot give a credible verified answer. I said 'other than those two', so 'excluding l2p and slimebag'... Yeah, but again, my question to Riot is whether it is heavily 'discouraged' or rather heavily 'punished' and why I got punished in particular. If it were flamers who started swearing straight off the bat and continued flaming I would've muted probably as it is literally spam, but I had a glimpse of hope that some of them were actually genuinely questioning things like why I had that build.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
That's the whole point of this topic, and I'd respect Riot staff answering this rather than a zealous player. Don't get me wrong I value your input, but I don't think you're understanding. Riot's website directed me here for answers. I'm asking if I got chat restricted for only a single game (there was only one game as evidence) where I said 'l2p' and 'slime bag' toward the end of the game on a new account, because I want to know if the report system is this sensitive. I did not 'insult' other than those two, and was merely sharing my opinion, is this also punishable? And again, I was putting an active effort not to insult and swear, despite the others calling report, swearing the entire game. I want to know if Riot really reads through both sides or just judges from who started or who wrote the most or who got the majority report. I want to know how none of those who report called and swore got punished but I did. The discussion, or 'flame war' you like to call, kept going on, because the flamers kept changing the topic and more people joined the discussion. First they talked about feeding, then about my position, then about my build, and enemy, mid and bot lanes joined the discussion, even if I muted one I'd have to mute more as the game progressed.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
It isn't. I acknowledged myself that saying 'l2p' and 'slime bag' was flame already at first post, so let's not go back to that shall we? That's pretty much the only flame I did, and I've been trying to focus on the rest, so please stay on topic. That's not the only reason, there have been countless times where there were actually reasonable people in the team who had told the flamers to stop and that its not my fault that my laner is fed (even in the enemy team from all chat). Also, obviously riots report system is not perfect and not everyone zealously trusts in it like you do. Also not everyone has the time to deal with 'support' - I don't even know how to contact them for such issues and the website doesn't really help me find it, they directed me here. Well, murder and sexual assault might seem natural to you, but it isn't really if you have been brought up with moral standards and compassion. What matters is the motive. I'm not saying my response is the best response, but it shouldn't be punished, as there was an active effort to 'not' flame. My response was to excuse the situation, otherwise I could've replied with something like 'stfu' or'gky' or 'report *** for flaming'. I wasn't just blaming, I was merely giving more 'insight' on my point of view rather than, 'inciting' the other players, and as you must know "we encourage you to share your thoughts with other players" and "Try not to take it personally." are also lines in the summoners code. You just happen to see the glass half empty than half full. Riot should honestly either completely forbid in-game chat or take a better look at both sides/context when punishing players.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
It's not a guarantee, there is always a chance that it turns out to be a mindful person, however low it might be. They might understand and stop flaming, or at least it might stop it from spreading the flame around to other players. For example, if I'm going 1/5 in my lane and if someone says 'he's inting, report him', if I don't say something, the word is going to spread and people will accept it, because many players don't have the time to judge in-game, but if I say 'I'm not inting, I'm getting camped with no help' at least I defended myself, or at least people will have heard both sides of the story. Well, you keep separating online from real world as if humans are programmed to operate differently. I know very well what's possible online, and like I said I occasionally mute and ignore people too, but you have to agree that verbal self defense is a natural response to someone attacking you verbally, even in non-formal non-legal context, so it is pretty normal to respond the way I did. Also, the responses I made aren't even remotely close to the examples you take. I know you're doing it to highlight what you're trying to say, but other than the two examples I mentioned there's barely anything insulting about what I wrote. There should really be a better sense of what is outright insulting and what is reasoning.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
It's the same thing. If you insult me and I defend myself, you can't possible sue me for insulting you, can you? Especially if you used swear words, while I retaliated by telling you non-swear facts. Oh no I do it countless times, just because I say this it doesn't mean I don't mute. I'm just saying that it is counterproductive to punish someone who responds to flame with opinion rather than verbal abuse, and not punish the ones that actually verbally abuse. Also, I'm not talking about physical defense but verbal one. In real life you wouldn't just ignore someone if they are verbally attacking you, but defend yourself. And I do that at times as well, but like I said, it shouldn't be the only non-punishable response to flamers. Verbally defending by staying on-topic and not amplifying the flame should be accepted and even encouraged in contrast to straight out insulting back.
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RtPaogo1,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-25T13:08:05.916+0000) > > I don't see how you can knowingly treat A and B equally in this scenario. Even if you ignore who started 'flaming' or 'flame baiting' first, there's mountains between what A and what B wrote. As i said, everyone is responsible for his own reactions. > If B is just trying to reply with an explanation of the truth, which might actually be fact, No one needs a cpt. obvious/hindsight, its just annyoing as hell. > I would say that's totally humane given riot provides a chat box for discussing the game. Also, B could've responded in a much more insulting way and actually has self control to reply in this moderate way. Not insulting other people is not some incredible difficult task. It's actually pretty simple. > > Riot might be treating its reports the way you explained it, but in reality it certainly doesn't work like this. Like I said, I can understand why people would report all three, but if Riot really puts no effort into separating one from the other, they won't make progress as they don't reward B for his/her moderation, and rather punish them harder than A, encouraging the A type player. As i said, not insulting other people is really, really simple. And the only thing you are supposed to do, is not insulting others regularly. You guys always act as if this was some impossible task only superman could manage. It isn't. If someone doesn't have the self control to prevent himself from doing so, he really got other problems.... For me, thats just arguments from people that can't take responsibility for their own actions. "he started, he is worse...." grow up, srsly.
I think the problem lies more in the fact that people get insulted or offended so easily and bottle it up. Some might call it even passive aggressive behavior. That's a real issue compared to attempting to put out a flame someone else started by defending oneself. But what am I talking about, ask anyone in the gaming community, and league of legends players are known for having a low threshold for being insulted, and supporting that mentality. So I would have to adjust to that I guess. So honestly, I'm just voicing my opinion, take it or leave it. In game-chat will remain trivial, unpleasant and provocative so long as Riot doesn't fix this, because natural responses are portrayed as flame. also for the record: > grow up, srsly. that's insulting and a clear example of passive aggression
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RtPaogo1,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-25T02:47:01.182+0000) > > I really find it hard to believe. > > Heres a question for you: who do you consider the flamer and who report worthy in this short dialogue > > A: gg top lane, you suck, report *** for feeding! B: Nope, he's only fed cause of camp, jungler ignoring my lane. > C: Yeah you suck, gonna report you too, what's with that build. D: guys, stop flaming and just play, we can still win! > > Clearly A started flaming, and spread it out to B and C. B is not mute ignoring and just defending him/herself. C was not involved whatsoever and decided to just join the flame. D is trying to calm down the flame. > > For me A is definitely the flamer, and I would report him and probably also C for insulting, report calling, since that is the definition of flaming isn't it? Whereas, someone who hadn't followed the conversation would probably just see the text and report all three A, B and C, which I wouldn't usually call justified, but fair enough he/she did not have the time to follow the conversation and simply trusts in riot to decide who to punish. But riot seems to not look at context, and filters out the other participants in the conversation if they haven't been reported a certain amount. Context doesn't really matter here. You are either insulting/blaming or you aren't. The thing you wont accept is, that one person breaking the rules doesn't suddenly make it ok for everyone else to break the rules as well. This whole thing about "he started" isn't a viable excuse even in kindergarten. "Defending" yourself does not include verbally harassing others. You are responsible for what you write. IF you have such little self control, that you can't help yourself but instantly flame others once you see them harassing you, you really got other problems. Especially since you need to do this sort of thing on a pretty regular level, snapping once wont harm you at all. A is clearly flaming, B is blaming his jungler=flame (even though if he didnt continue i would ignore it), C is just flaming as well. > But riot seems to not look at context, and filters out the other participants in the conversation if they haven't been reported a certain amount. Only fair. You didn't get a punishment the first time you were flaming, as Riot accepts that everyone can snap once in a while. They have the same protection as you.
I don't see how you can knowingly treat A and B equally in this scenario. Even if you ignore who started 'flaming' or 'flame baiting' first, there's mountains between what A and what B wrote. If B is just trying to reply with an explanation of the truth, which might actually be fact, I would say that's totally humane given riot provides a chat box for discussing the game. Also, B could've responded in a much more insulting way and actually has self control to reply in this moderate way. Riot might be treating its reports the way you explained it, but in reality it certainly doesn't work like this. Like I said, I can understand why people would report all three, but if Riot really puts no effort into separating one from the other, they won't make progress as they don't reward B for his/her moderation, and rather punish them harder than A, encouraging the A type player.
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RtPaogo1,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-24T17:08:02.412+0000) > > So you're practically saying a chat restriction is worthy to one individual rather than an actual flamer You are an actual flamer. > if that person decides to defend their point to a flamer rather than mute them? Defending yourself does not include verbally attacking them. You were not defending yourself, you were harassing them, which does absolutly nothing to prevent them from flaming themselves. > > The whole point of flamers is to spread the word and get more people to flame and report a certain individual. So even didn't try to defend myself and if I muted I would still be reported, so this really is a lose lose situation. First: The amount of reports in a single game doesn't matter. So, if he gets all 8 others to report you, he gained exactly nothing. 2nd: Reports only trigger an investigation, not a punishment. If you do not flame back- which you did- you wont see any punishment at all.
I really find it hard to believe. Heres a question for you: who do you consider the flamer and who report worthy in this short dialogue A: gg top lane, you suck, report *** for feeding! B: Nope, he's only fed cause of camp, jungler ignoring my lane. C: Yeah you suck, gonna report you too, what's with that build. D: guys, stop flaming and just play, we can still win! Clearly A started flaming, and spread it out to B and C. B is not mute ignoring and just defending him/herself. C was not involved whatsoever and decided to just join the flame. D is trying to calm down the flame. For me A is definitely the flamer, and I would report him and probably also C for insulting, report calling, since that is the definition of flaming isn't it? Whereas, someone who hadn't followed the conversation would probably just see the text and report all three A, B and C, which I wouldn't usually call justified, but fair enough he/she did not have the time to follow the conversation and simply trusts in riot to decide who to punish. But riot seems to not look at context, and filters out the other participants in the conversation if they haven't been reported a certain amount.
: So you didn't do anything and got banned.. right. You said you defended yourself. Don't. If you didn't do anything reports don't hurt you and so you don't need to defend yourself. You said you didn't actively chat. I see a really long chat log from just YOUR messages. Now idk how long this game took so i might be wrong here. It never hurts to mute players like these and it's good that you are carefull about what you say. If you ever find yourself in games like these again. Don't defend yourself just make the best out of it and report players in the end screen. I hope you have a good reform time! :)
Well, my whole intention was to enjoy the game, but it already got ruined by certain actions and then the flaming atmosphere of my team. All I did was try to enjoy the game, keep cool, and not flame and avoid getting reported, because I have an impression that riot looks at numbers more than content (I clearly remember someone shouting F*ck you at the end of the game). It's sad to see that you really can't avoid getting reported if you lose your lane and have swearing report calling flaming teammates get away with it by sending you to the lowest 5% of players who get punished. Disappointed in this report system, which itself turns chat into an arena for flamers and digs itself into a hole.
: > [{quoted}](name=ifeedyoudog,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RtPaogo1,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-24T16:01:49.154+0000) > > No, that's easy to misunderstand if u don't see the other side, most of my messages are replies to my team flaming me, I reply to flames like "report ***" or "stop feeding" or other flames. Like I said the only flame I did was the l2p after my jungler ignored my lane the whole time and then jumps in when I'm not there just to give another kill, and that is literally just 3 letter/numbers. It doesn't matter what they wrote. Your messages stay offensive, wether or not htey were flaming as well.
So you're practically saying a chat restriction is worthy to one individual rather than an actual flamer if that person decides to defend their point to a flamer rather than mute them? The whole point of flamers is to spread the word and get more people to flame and report a certain individual. So even didn't try to defend myself and if I muted I would still be reported, so this really is a lose lose situation.
GLurch (EUW)
: > if I end up farming under turret for 20 minutes and consistently die under turret due to their jungler camping me and my jungler ignoring my lane intentionally (as he said). Then yes, it is sort of the junglers fault. However, you started blaming the jungler from the beginning of the chat log. You can't seriously claim to not have written anything in the first 20 minutes.
The only thing I wrote to him was l2p after he ignored my lane and died to my laner. All the rest was in response to others blaming me. And you can't really call it flame if I tell my laner that he can tower dive me because my jungler is probably not going to come. That's not blaming that's saying the truth.
GLurch (EUW)
: Looking at this chat log, you remind me of those people that keep pinging for help 3 minutes in the game and continue to blame everything on the jungler if he doesn't gank within the next minute.
Well if you're behind you have to farm under turret until your jungler ganks right, so pinging for help is totally normal and asking for help is also normal. You guys really have to understand the difference between flame and asking for help. What's the point of in-game chat if you cannot ask for help? And yeah, truth said, if I end up farming under turret for 20 minutes and consistently die under turret due to their jungler camping me and my jungler ignoring my lane intentionally (as he said). Then yes, it is sort of the junglers fault. So if any degrading remarks come in regarding my gameplay, I think I have a right to respond with an explanation, because I am literally doing everything I can.
: You consistently flame your jungler. And yes, even though you didn't use any flagged words your intention is clear. So yes, definitly worthy of a chat restriction. No one wants to ply with someone who is consistently crying and blaming, its really annyoing and it decreases yoru chances to win (sabotage). YOu don't know if the others got a punishment (messages pops up only sometimes). 2nd, did you get a cr the first time you behaved like this? No? Thats because you, as well as the others in your game, have soem sort of "buffer" so that you dont get a ban if you once say "fuc.k you"
No, that's easy to misunderstand if u don't see the other side, most of my messages are replies to my team flaming me, I reply to flames like "report ***" or "stop feeding" or other flames. Like I said the only flame I did was the l2p after my jungler ignored my lane the whole time and then jumps in when I'm not there just to give another kill, and that is literally just 3 letter/numbers.
BlueStr (EUW)
: ***
Yes they do message you when your report has punished a player. No, I don't really care, unless 90% of the chat in game was them flaming and me replying, and I get punished. Like I said I did not proactively write, most of my replies are responses to "report ***" or neutral in game discussion.
: > _I just transferred this account to EUW from TR servers and I am being really careful with what I say_ > **ifeedyoudog: yeh better l2p** Not quite careful enough.
aware of that one but is that really ban worthy? and if so then the several ppl in my team said stop playing, delete the game etc.
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