Xplosion101 (EUNE)
: It's always been like that. How could you have ever thought that you would get a full skin AND a chroma for 300 tokens? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Like I've said in my other comments I was thinking more about the money-splashing and earning event of Worlds as a whole and was seeing it more as a gesture of goodwill to the players with these tokens as an extension of that. Didn't really think into the detailed economics of what a token is worth against RP and real-world money. I just simply wanted to ask the question about how I thought I remembered it, because I'm perfectly aware I got the other chroma a loooong time ago and could have misremembered, and clearly I did!
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: _It's pretty damn obvious tho_ In the shop it says Majestic Empress Morgana (Heavenly Crane chroma) + icon not Majestic Empress Morgana + Chroma (Heavenly Crane chroma) + icon When you buy it, the icon shows you the chroma and the icon On the website it says Majestic Empress Morgana Chroma & Icon which is even MORE obvious Sure it might not seem unreasonable to you to get a skin for less than 300 tokens, but for me? That sounds so dumb. It's so damn cheap It has ALWAYS been like this. You get the chroma and the icon If riot made some changes to this, they would announce it in the patch notes and on the website And from what i know, riot doesn't get money when we play the game. Why would they get money from that. How would they get money from that? WHO would they get money from? They get money from event sponsors etc, and they get money when we buy RP etc They don't get money from us just playing the game So nope, if you just play the game, you aren't going to give riot any money when you get those tokens So why would they give you skins basically for free? I honestly just can't see your thought process on this Did you even see how much money riot would lose if they just gave you skins for free during events? 120 MILLION Yeah sure riot makes TONS of money every year. But you also have to understand that it's a big af company. All of the employees have to get paid, maintaining the servers cost money, their office spaces cost money, starting all of these new projects cost money. Hosting all of these league tournaments and events costs money So would it be worth it for riot to lose about 120 million € in a single event? Nope, DEFINITELY not At least they're still giving you the chroma or the borders and the icon for free. So now you don't need to buy the border bundle etc It is VERY unreasonable to be able to buy the skin for ONLY 300 tokens. If it was 1000 tokens, then yeah sure. But 300? Yeahhhhh no Chroma's value is 250 tokens, border's value is 200 tokens and icon's value is 50 tokens in this event So on top of that you would get the skin completely for free. That just seems so dumb
As you can see from the initial question, I didn't put thought into the mass economics of it all because I thought I remembered it a certain way. I'm not sure why you're getting so precious about it. As I've already said to you, we already know the outcome of the situation. I was talking about the event holistically, from a very colloquial standpoint, and explained my roundabout reasoning. Only because I thought I remembered it a certain way and just wanted to ask the question. It's not about the costs, more than my reasoning that, as I've said, it's not unreasonable to see it that way because you see the event as being a huge money show, as well as one that earns them a lot of money, so the skins would have been a token of goodwill to the players who watch and play during the event. Not a big moneymaking scheme, and not something I put thought of into beyond that. I'm just saying, why I personally thought that I would get the skin in terms of the money we see in the event. You don't need to explain business economics to me, because frankly it's all irrelevant because as I've said, _we already know we don't get the skin_. I bought without looking, and just wanted to check whether it had happened before, and explained how my brain came to that conclusion before I bought it. Not fighting anyone here, just explaining my thinking in that specific moment which, to me, wasn't a big deal at all.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Because it's an event exclusive chroma that might never come back So they're giving you a chance to buy that chroma now if you know that you'll buy the skin later etc, or if you have the skin in your hextech crafting and you just need more OE, or if you just want the icon from that bundle because it's so good but you ain't gonna buy a skin just because you want the icon All of these are perfectly valid reasons to buy the chroma without owning the skin Same with the borders It's not our fault some of you don't understand that you don't get the skin with the token chroma Because why the hell would riot give you skins for so damn cheap? 300 tokens for skin + chroma + icon? That's just dumb, like i already explained in my other comment
Firstly, that's a good point about the event exclusive, which I never thought of. Secondly, I'm not sure what higher "our" you seem to think you're a part of here, but I'm not taking anything away from you by simply asking the question, and explaining my reasons for thinking that I remembered something a certain way. To say I "can't read" is clearly very rude. You don't know me at all. This is a forum where people are entitled to say inoffensive things and ask questions, which I've done. There's absolutely no need to be so rude, especially when there isn't even a right or wrong, or any kind of moral standpoint in this discussion because we already know the outcome of the situation.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: There's only one winner in worlds And they have to train a shit ton for it and they spend tons of their time for it So it's understandable that they get a big prize So it ain't free for them AND the worlds championship has tons of sponsors that fund the event We players don't do all of the funding So I don't really understand what that has to do with any of this tho If they gave you the skin for free with the chroma etc, they'd give you 1890 RP FOR FREE. That's about 15€ of RP Doesn't really seem that big of amount, right? Sure, for 1 person But when we have 8 million active players, that's about 15 120 000 000 RP which is about 120 000 000 € For a single event And we will have about 7 token events this year (If i counted correctly) So that would make 105 840 000 000‬ RP and 840 000 000 € in a year And let's not forget people who buy event passes and can get ALL of the chromas if they want to So yes, that's actually a HUGE stretch JFC that's actually an ENORMOUS stretch And you're already getting free skins. From hextech chests, from orbs and let's not forget the 10 year anniversary, 6 skins for free just from that
Where did I say committing to being the best team in the world was free? I get that they earned that reward, probably more than that, just saying it's not like Riot have no money. I'm not saying it makes good business sense, more that considering they're making money from RP when RP costs nothing to make for them (I'm NOT saying the skins, art, animation, tireless work into making a game etc don't cost hefty amounts, because they do), I'm just saying that for a company that has a lot of money, why would you let people buy a chroma for a skin they don't have, when you can't do that normally in the shop, without making it obvious? It seems to me that it's an underhanded way of getting money off people as now we'll feel like we have to buy the skin, to make our tokens worthwhile, when we made Riot some money by playing to win the tokens, if this makes sense. It's not so much that I don't acknowledge all we do get for free, and that the art, animation, everything else takes time, care, and cost, just seems underhanded for a company that spends large amounts of money in the public view, that makes more money when its viewers watch, so it wouldn't always seem unreasonable to not be able to buy the skin for that small amount of earned tokens during a celebratory event
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I mean..... you always need chromas to use the skin tho So it it kinda obvious that you need the skin to be able to use the chroma You can't even buy normal chromas from the store without the skin {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
exactly so why would it let you purchase the chroma without owning the skin lol
: It literally says "Golden chroma". Nothing about skins. How do you even expect a skin from such thing?
When you buy skins from Your Shop they include the champion if not owned purely because the skin isn't useable without the champion. I know this is tokens and not RP purchased with actual money, but considering it's won from tokens won from the Worlds set you'd think they could throw a free skin in for it's players who fund surely a sizeable portion of said tournament like in Your Shop. Especially seeing as earning the tokens comes from us playing games and watching streams and VODs, which earns them money.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: You have NEVER gotten the skin with it It has always just been the chroma Why would riot give you a skin + chroma + icon for ONLY 300 tokens? That's so cheap The only skin you can get with tokens is the prestige skin, and that's 2000 tokens (quite a big difference in prices)
They're a company that gives out $1,000,000 prizes to the worlds winner, wouldn't have stretched them too far to give the people who fund them a free skin during the tournament from a tournament missions set
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Antenora (EUW)
: That Border was only available last year. I don't think it'll be available again.
Thank you!!
: You'll get the skin,no border tho. It was available only when it came out the first time.
Thank you!!
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Fidda (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kodomas,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=1osLWFzZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-21T20:37:42.307+0000) > > I played a summoners rift, do you not get them for S- after level 6? Yep, when you need tokens for lvl 7 you need S or Higher Grade (S-- is not enough).
Ah okay, good to know thank you :)
Fidda (EUNE)
: You played Aram maybe? And are you sure you got S, not S-?
I played a summoners rift, do you not get them for S- after level 6?
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: can u get a "s"?
Three things I have found to help me gain S marks as a support is; 1) Try to poke, poke, poke. Poking not only gets you added damage done throughout but also gives you higher chances of assists. 2) Wards. Get Ruby Sightstone if you can just to bump up ward amounts and ward wherever possible and whenever. I ward when I roam, too, not just for the adc but also for the midlaner when I roam mid. I also get scanner and oracle, and spam it whenever I can to kill enemy wards. 3) Try to be present at every dragon and all turrets/other objectives. Just help anyone push, and always try to get a few points of turret damage done whenever it is safe for you to do so, even if you're alone (eg the lane is clear and your adc is too low to stay). This is easier now because of the new bot turrets; I find I get more S grades when I participated in first turret kill. I don't really get the grading system for support even though I main it; I think it can be skewed because it is such a different role to all the others, and I'm nowhere near an expert on the game, this is just my experience, so I hope it helped :)
MadClown (EUNE)
: Feeling shame for playing support, need advice
As a girl, I find that there are stereotypes everywhere; from the things we like, the ways we choose to present ourselves, to if we game and how we game. I play support (right now I main sona with sweetheart skin so I'm the ultimate stereotype) but only because that's what I enjoy. I've tried all other roles for extended periods before and I just didn't like it, but I like the way you have to think as a support, and the way you have to play, and I find it the most fun whether I win or not. Maybe your mid win-rate is going down, so what? If you enjoy it and it makes you happy, I say play mid. Maybe try changing up your champ pool to re-inspire you and you may start doing better. But if having a better win-rate makes you happier, and you enjoy the actual game-play itself more than mid, stick to support. But luckily, a lot of the champs in those roles can switch, too. You can start support and build more damage lategame if your team is winning (or if you just want to), or go a more utility-based midlane so you can flex a supportive and offensive playstyle. THESE^ are the reasons I'd focus on when choosing your role. Fuck stereotypes and what anyone has to say about you, in League and in life, and just go for what makes you happy. Good luck!
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