: > Also why not make it so that the "face me in a fair duel" ult completely breaks the fairness of it giving a HUGE upper hand to morde's stats Why would he fight fairly... he’s a necromantic warlord who’d do anything to win, he isn’t fiora he doesn’t care about being fair... it was never a face me in a fair duel, more your trapped in here with me. And if his ult is a 50/50 chance of back firing then it ain’t a good ult, it’s his ult surely he should get some form of advantage Also the stat drain is the reason he can get this ult and fiora couldn’t so he ain’t losing it. > said that they ultimately scrapped a forcing-1v1-ult because they admitedly figured out it was broken and wrong af. They never said that... The reason she didn’t get the ult was because the reward for winning was uniform no matter who she ulted... so you’d just ult the support for a free kill. She’s also highly mobile and not kitable at all so the counter play for that ult is reduced to nothing. Morde steals stats, so he has to go for the greater risk for the greatest reward, he also is an immobile juggernaut so the possibility of kiting him is entirely there. It wasn’t broken and wrong af... just broken on fiora and was used incorrectly, morde it fits. ___ His ult isn’t broken, it’s got counterplay and can even be used against him if he uses it incorrectly. You’ve just gotta learn how to play against it (hint QSS)
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ke9x9oxo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-18T21:50:03.322+0000) > > Why would he fight fairly... he’s a necromantic warlord who’d do anything to win, he isn’t fiora he doesn’t care about being fair... it was never a face me in a fair duel, more your trapped in here with me. Ye I wasn't clear, the "fair duel" wasn't about flavor (and admidtedly was a bad way of putting it), but was more of a segway into how interactive the core concept is: yes, it's a "you're trapped in here with me. And you cannot do anything about it nor can your teammates". Flavourful? Indeed. Fun in any way shape or form? eeeeeh. And no running is not a counterplay as you still get denied from fights or from escaping a gank and morde gets huge rewards regardless- if you even survive anyways > The reason she didn’t get the ult was because the reward for winning was uniform no matter who she ulted... so you’d just ult the support for a free kill. She’s also highly mobile and not kitable at all so the counter play for that ult is reduced to nothing. Yes, on Fiora would've been worse, but they mentioned still how unfun it would be to just get denied from a fight with no way to counteract it, and yet here we are > Morde steals stats, so he has to go for the greater risk for the greatest reward, he also is an immobile juggernaut so the possibility of kiting him is entirely there. Morde steals core stats, which only scale on level: you get almost the same reward wheter you ult a lvl 14 1/5 than if you ult a lvl a 16 5/0 which means both that the 1/5 will never come back against you, and that you have very limited opportunities to come back against the 5/0 by grouping since you'll have to do without ult; it might sound fair enough, but riot has always wanted to prevent excessive snowballing if not on very squishy champs, and this ult just throws it to waste. > His ult isn’t broken, it’s got counterplay and can even be used against him if he uses it incorrectly. You’ve just gotta learn how to play against it (hint QSS) I've responded to others arguing about the qss buy, I'll give a tl;dr: either you don't have it yet/can't have it, and can do nothing about the ult, or you do and morde can do nothing to prevent you from just reacting. It's a terribly outdated interaction design that negates the meaningness of the players' individual skills, which also riot has tried to fight over and over again with runes reforged and a number of item tweaks
: 3/6/9% movespeed buff on passive AoE. Definitly broken and makes him the most unkiteable champ in the game kappa
That was more like just a plus to my point, though it still really matters on melee matchups, and makes it easier to at least stick the aoe onto ranged too (which gets really significant on a rylai btw), but again that's besides the main point; my point is that having someone gotten out of teamfight and also forced to run if not significantly enough ahead with no way to contest it but to hang onto the terribly outdated and poorly designed qss force buy, even if morde doesn't kill you, has to be the most uninteractive thing riot has done since old poppy's ult. On the other hand, if you buy qss it becomes unplayable for morde instead, so at least one of you doesn't get to try. That sounds fun indeed. Yes, you can abuse his other weaknesses and bad early to get ahead, so my call is not on the champ being unbeatable, but you're playing around the rest of his kit which is actually very nicely designed, not around his ult.
: Basically what you are saying "the rework is bs cause his abilities are unbalanced". Yes That's about every champion that exist in LoL that released for their first time. overall His rework was a huge success. He is intended to be **The overlord** and his entire model and all his abilities are showcasing him as "the strongest being", his ultimate is not meant to be a Litterary 1vs1 ult, since it will always put the ulted person on a huge disadvantages by stealing some of it's stats stats. Therefor you should rather run for 7 seconds away from him cause you can't beat "the strongest being" in a 1vs1 with your stats stolen. And if you want the ultimate to be a "fair fight" where's this Puny overlord gonna do huh? Basically ruining his power. The thing he is completely counterable by just playing Olaf or buying QSS and his animation for ult is really long, so spellshield and easy to fix shields from allies can get on you before you get into it. But overall the whole point of Mord's ult is for the opponent to "survive", don't fight Mord in his Ult, run away. Thats the entire counterplay of his ult. If you can't do that and all you can do is whine how OP it is, maybe it's start to ban him or Play Tryndamere.
It's not about the power creep on release, it's about the very design of his ult; I actually totally love the rest of the kit but damn the ult's almost as uninteractive as old poppy's, only very old champs have ults on that level of uninteractiveness (they brought up skarn and malz but honestly, to force a buy on qss and calling it a day isn't what I'd call interactive anyways, you just don't have it and get screwed or do and the opponent can't do anything, I don't know how that can be called good design), and even there, there is exhibit a)it's a 1v1/small skirmish and you just suffer it or b)it's a teamfight and at least you may hope on team peel; morde has you run both exhibits and no one can do crap about it without, again, the terriblyand outdated designed qss force buy. Saying that it becomes useless if you're behind is no argument, 'cause that's just called losing, at least on a non-utility-ult champ, and all that fall in the category suffer the same; if anything, it makes the kit harder to balance since you have to balance him both around his ult and the liability of qss. tl;dr i'm not whining about him being op, I'm whining about his ult, and only his ult, being terribly designed
: > There you go top laner, build this . How about you mage? I'm pretty sure you will need a 1300 gold item that you won't build into anything. Or about any jungler in the game. Supports are of course too poor to consider waste 1300 gold, they 're out of the question. So the only one who's gonna build it is, of course, this guy who is already the prime target of assassins. Except we’ve already got 2 champions in the game who force this anyway. Skarner and malz both force most players to get a QSS... that’s why it’s known as the skarner tax, it forces enemy carries to buy that item ASAP. That’s adc, mid laner, and top laner, sometimes even jungle... this is frequently done in high elo so it’s not a noob purchase, not nothing is the noob option even on ap champions, Every build should have at least 1 slot where you can purchase a situational item... if there’s an item which keeps you safe and completely negates someone’s ultimate you buy it especially if that ult is gonna kill you. And supports don’t need it... they’ve got enough self peel to survive the 7 seconds, and even if they don’t morde gets a lot less stats from them so it’s not always worth to ult the support. So if morde’s constantly ulting the support you are kinda doing your job anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ke9x9oxo,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:14:27.727+0000) > > Except we’ve already got 2 champions in the game who force this anyway. Skarner and malz both force most players to get a QSS... that’s why it’s known as the skarner tax, it forces enemy carries to buy that item ASAP. But for as long as you don't have it, or if your champ just can't run it as an option, they do have still a form of counterplay or at least requirement during team fights: both can be cc'd by your team to lessen the punish, malz has to position decently not to be counterbursted and at least skarner has to get to you first; morde has you out of the fight as soon as you get in range and your team can't do anything about it.
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: Im scripting its official and reports stack
"Kegs have too much range; damage was too high" because yeah of course scripts modify directly how the game itself works right. If one scripted hard enough he could make nami's attacks super effective vs brand and make teamfights turn-based. Whatever, just keep winning your games man ;)
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1)I really want one for all back,too;2) But am i the only one who really really wants to see black market brawlers back for once?{{item:3070}}
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