: > [{quoted}](name=Bananenschnder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=000000010001000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T11:20:21.452+0000) > > This 38% banrate is for the normal player base, not the pros. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/akali/lcs She has 70.7% banrate and 29.3% pickrate in lcs games, so thats 100% of ban / pick. This is a problem
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: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=00000001000100010000,timestamp=2019-05-25T11:10:42.415+0000) > > First, i am trully gratefull for the amount of time that you might have took to search this information and secondly i'm just really complaining about the nerfs because they are obviously focusing on the pros and it's not fair for the normal player base to also recive this same treatment. Try to put yourself in Riots position. They need to change something quickly for pro play because the summer split is about to start. So they are under time pressure to make a change that's healthy for the pro scene _right now_. I think this is a huge point that people in the community forget. In the long run, they can try to balance Akali in a way that makes her stronger in soloq/lower elos and weaker or even in pro play. But how exactly would those changes look like? They don't know. I don't know. I'd guess that you don't know either? They'll probably try to figure it out and we will see Akali change a bit more. Or maybe the changes turn out to be just fine, who knows. When I play Akali, I feel like her early game is super oppressive and in the late game I can miss half my shit and still one shot the ADC or midlaner. The coming changes don't affect the early games oppressiveness at all and in late game it means that I need to hit my spells and maybe use Electrocute more often (which in turn can change the early game). To me it doesn't seem to kill her at the level I play at - which is like gold/plat. But we'll see. I'm not a psychic :D > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=00000001000100010000,timestamp=2019-05-25T11:10:42.415+0000) > > They have an issue with the 38% of ban rate for Akali? Yes. Should it affect the champion AND the normal player base? No. This 38% banrate is for the normal player base, not the pros.
That's a good point actually! I haven't thought about it! In that case i hope the are making this changes looking foward the summer slipt and later on trying to make her balanced again. I wouldn't mind it at all! But let's wait and see. Thank you for telling me this! PS: i had no idea that she had that amount of banrate, maybe i'm just lucky and i have only saw it once or twice LOL
: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T11:01:41.122+0000) > > i dunno if she is that good in the pro play, but it's a fact that she has a 45% of winrate. Why would they nerf her? Because she is an pick/ban in the pro play? It's not like she's the only one... MSI has shown that the Champ is outstandingly strong; especially because it can be Flexed between mid and top. So if you're redside it is almost necessary to ban her because otherwise blue-side can first pick and there is very few you can do to counter it. Except for maybe Conqueror Sylas as Caps showed, but that's at best a skill matchup. The only real counter seems to be Jayce, but that champ is pick/ban as well and getting (rightfull) nerfed as well.
Akali has a few good counters tho! Is true that she can play top and mid, but this, once again depends on the player ability. If you know you'll be playing agaisnt her then pick a counter or find strats! Like everytime i played agaisnt an Akali i just picked a counter or founded a way to make her useless (ex. make her waste her energy or her mobility abilities). She isn't op compared to other champs so i just don't get why are they so harsh with her.
: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:48:12.335+0000) > > But the problem might be then that the focus on the pro people and not on the normal player base. > If we talk about the ban we can also talk about how they banned all of Faker's mains in one match and that is'nt relate to the characther but the skill of the player, and, as i said above, Akali is a characther that DOES require skill. I do agree that they need to adjust her in some way that makes her better for "normal" players and worse for Pros. Your example isn't fitting though. Akali is picked or banned in pretty much every game. It's not that there is one particular player that is super good on the champion (as we are seeing for ADCs who can play Draven or how Aurelion Sol used to be banned versus Huhi) but every team prioritizes this champion for a good reason. They are probably just trying to dumpster her until pros stop picking and then tentatively giving her back some power. However, eSport is a huge part of the game and community and they can't just completely break the eSport LoL by buffing Akali and perma gimping red-side teams. This would also affect high elo streams which are like free advertisment for the game; having high elo people complain about Akali or the need to ban the champion all the time would also not be advantageous. > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:48:12.335+0000) > > Also, about the pick/ban topic, Yasuo and Lux are almost insta-picks if they are left open. This is just incorrect. For Lux that is. Yasuo has a combined pick/ban of about 60%. Lux has a pick rate similar to Akalis but with an almost non existent Banrate of 1.5% (which is 38% for Akali).
First, i am trully gratefull for the amount of time that you might have took to search this information and secondly i'm just really complaining about the nerfs because they are obviously focusing on the pros and it's not fair for the normal player base to also recive this same treatment. They have an issue with the 38% of ban rate for Akali? Yes. Should it affect the champion AND the normal player base? No. That's just my opinion tho, they did a great job with her rework and nerfing her this way seems excessive.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bekams Bakery,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:36:22.435+0000) > >Its always like: > Random bronze player who doesnt know how to play against a specific champ: RITO THIS IS TOO OP WHAT IS THIS, SO BROKEN PLS NERF. That's definitely not the case here. She's getting the Ryze treatment because she is to good in pro play and not because people in Bronze complain. I'd even argue that she is a really bad pick in Bronze.
i dunno if she is that good in the pro play, but it's a fact that she has a 45% of winrate. Why would they nerf her? Because she is an pick/ban in the pro play? It's not like she's the only one...
: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:48:12.335+0000) > > But the problem might be then that the focus on the pro people and not on the normal player base. > If we talk about the ban we can also talk about how they banned all of Faker's mains in one match and that is'nt relate to the characther but the skill of the player, and, as i said above, Akali is a characther that DOES require skill. > Also, about the pick/ban topic, Yasuo and Lux are almost insta-picks if they are left open. > > If they want to fix the proplay, change the mechanics of the game, don't nerf the hero until the point that she'll be unplayable EXACTLY!!! I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF! THAT is the problem. If akali is nerf worthy then what would riot do with lux, delete her? What would riot do with fiora? This madness needs to stop.
i don't know man, i already said that it might be difficult balancing champions but this is unfair.
: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:41:49.943+0000) > > I also bought a few skins and i'm one S away to get the mastery 7... It's sad because she is indeed a really fun characther to play but also requires a lot of skill and time and i dunno man, it really does feel super bad 'cause she doesn't deserve this... Yeah, like i dunno if riot has something personal with her or something but she definitely doesent deserve this.. I too have played her a lot and managed to get mastery 7 but it took a lot of time and effort to get there. I really hope they bring her back to a satisfactory spot...
: > [{quoted}](name=NamSniX101,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:12:41.508+0000) > > it seem like rito doesnt realy like akali becuz when rito remove heal from q i dont see akali often like before and now they nerf her again > no i think just 1 boy champ akali play her Akali is a pick/ban AND a flex pick in pro play so they need to do something about her. The reason you don't see her might be because she still has a 38% banrate accoridng to OP.GG (which is for the Korean server though). Add to that the 13% pick rate and she is still present in everyother game even outside of proplay.
But the problem might be then that the focus on the pro people and not on the normal player base. If we talk about the ban we can also talk about how they banned all of Faker's mains in one match and that is'nt relate to the characther but the skill of the player, and, as i said above, Akali is a characther that DOES require skill. Also, about the pick/ban topic, Yasuo and Lux are almost insta-picks if they are left open. If they want to fix the proplay, change the mechanics of the game, don't nerf the hero until the point that she'll be unplayable
: > [{quoted}](name=ramencaliente,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=X71VJXwm,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-25T10:30:23.441+0000) > > It's sad because i started playing this game due to the Akali rework and i'm really sad and upset about this, it's not fair. I know man... I also bought her blood moon and kda skin since i really liked playing her and i actually got good at her. Why is this game always so one-sided when it comes to nerfs? Its always like: Random bronze player who doesnt know how to play against a specific champ: RITO THIS IS TOO OP WHAT IS THIS, SO BROKEN PLS NERF. Or pleople just dont underatand that skill is rewarded. And we all know how it ends at least most of the time..
I also bought a few skins and i'm one S away to get the mastery 7... It's sad because she is indeed a really fun characther to play but also requires a lot of skill and time and i dunno man, it really does feel super bad 'cause she doesn't deserve this...
: I made a post about this problem myself.. A riot employee replied saying "Im sorry we dont fix stuff at riot games. We just make a ton of band aid buffs and wonder why vayne becomes a pick/ban every season". As you can see they just overlook the problem and say some cheap ass shit so that they can drop the topic. Its pretty unfortunate really, too bad i genuinely like this champion. Wellp if they dont do anything about it then akali mains will just go on a rampage so lets at least hope for the best.
It's sad because i started playing this game due to the Akali rework and i'm really sad and upset about this, it's not fair.
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: I don't play Akali but I honestly think at this point they need to come public like they did about 5.0 Kog'Maw and admit it was a failure and revert her. Akali has received nothing but nerfs ever since her rework all because they want to try and balance around the "True Stealth" mechanic she has. **It hasn't worked... either remove the True Stealth mechanic and revert the majority of the nerfs or revert her completely.** Biggest Issue with Akali's rework **IN MY OPINION** is that there's too much emphasis on being fun to play and not a lot on the counterplay side of things.
I don't think her rework was a failure, they actually did a great work making her as unique as she is now but the last nerfs that she has been receiving are completly unnecessary. She is balanced in tha actual patch, i just don't get why they decided to nerf her this much.
: it seem like rito doesnt realy like akali becuz when rito remove heal from q i dont see akali often like before and now they nerf her again no i think just 1 boy champ akali play her
When i saw the heal from her Q i got pretty upset at first, but later on i noticed that it actually balanced her and that she wouldn't be op anymore. Later on, the W nerf came and it wouldn't be that bad if they has succed on fixing some bugs that it has (ex. Yasuo can ult you while W is activated or the E doesn't actives when it hits the shroud). Then more nerfs came in and this is just too much.
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