: > [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=E8H0cwLd,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2019-09-05T09:24:16.297+0000) > > People who complain about smurfing have never been to diamond +, there is litterly no point in playing ranked after D4 because the coin flips are way out of hand and lp to loss ratio is stupid. If riot offered insentives to play in diamond then less people would smurf, but no one wants to sit there losing game's at champ select or 10 mins because match making couldn't find decent people for a fair game. 4/5 diamond game i played 3 day's ago had an afk. I've never played in Diamond for a serious amount of time, but is this a real issue for you guys? Is so then how do you fix the wonky matchmaking when there are so few people (comparatively) in the player pool? I've heard it's quite common to have 3 mid laners on the same team for example, which means 2 of them will need to play their off-roles. If that's the problem I don't know if there's anyway to fix that. Incentives might help keep people playing but it won't solve the underlying issue.
I've played game's where my mid is an adc main, my adc main is mid main and so on. Its a coinflip you go from gaining 25-30lp in p1 with a decent win rate, to winning 15lp and losing 15-20lp. Plus you have to deal with the people whom are boosted to diamond and play a game a month to stop their ranked decay. You only get diamond for the boarder nothing else, climbing in diamond is C*ncer, even when i was at 65% win rate in D4 i was still getting matched with people below 50% which would bring me down.
Shamose (EUW)
: Riots Punishment system is godlike. (Feat. TF Blade.)
People who complain about smurfing have never been to diamond +, there is litterly no point in playing ranked after D4 because the coin flips are way out of hand and lp to loss ratio is stupid. If riot offered insentives to play in diamond then less people would smurf, but no one wants to sit there losing game's at champ select or 10 mins because match making couldn't find decent people for a fair game. 4/5 diamond game i played 3 day's ago had an afk.
Roamcell (EUW)
: Good grief. Finally someone who know what's he's writing about. Not surprised we're probably 2 out of 100 (the other 98 being forum dwellers with ridiculous and miserable game time and game experience).
Played this game far to long to not understand the basics anymore.
Roamcell (EUW)
: The absolute, mind boggling, desperately bad rework of pantheon. It's garbage, really.
I'm gonna put it in simple terms for people who think pantheon rework is "Good" Unless you're at least D4 or playing around that level then you really can't comment on how good he is. Try going up against decent players and see how badly you get trashed in lane. (Any chamption is viable up until G1-P4)
Kravixman (EUNE)
: You do realise that Empire of Man works a bit like Soviet Union? There are a lot of people left behind that could not go back home simply due to "Dishonour". A lot of those people are found by Empire of Tau, and given new life... better life. Im personally a Tau person, but couldn't hold myself from reading every novel about Ahriman due to way of his... work and being like 2nd or 3rd most powerful Psionic user in universe.
Kravixman (EUNE)
: WarHammer 40k "Which one is your God?"
I follow the god emperior him self, everything else is HERESY!
: Pantheon is much better than you think
You're playing in silver/gold game's any champ is pretty much viable in silvers/gold.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: in my opinnion his ultimate ,should be an overextended jump for an ally ,something like a team work between gladiators , imagine to boost up someone to entry in a fight like , riven/olaf/jax etc... , something like in spartacus movie ,where crasus was jumping over spartacus shield... , his ulti coulded be way much better than this ... His e coulded be a gladiator trap who is throwed over enemy .. , and w some kind of ability who knock up enemy and makes him vulnerable to attacks ,but with some dash in front likely ... not like a jump over enemy .. something like a bull pushing a bit in front ,that woulded make him possible to use dash ,then e , then q ,and finally use his dashing position to take an ally and throw it over enemy ,knocking them in a range and dealing some damage from pantheon R , coulded be intresting in my opinnion . Double side ultimate , who casted on himself woulded do some other effect , likely some empowered skill from ulti ,doing extended effects for rest of skills , like instead of 3 spears - 5 , or instead of knocking with a dash into enemy , to make it a longer distance and passing throught minions ... , e empowered ,decreasing enemy hero stats ,likely as effect of beeing in incapacity to move ,so he woulded have less stats to fight you after the e allows him to move ,something like making you a little bit empowered in a fight someone would chose to fight after you empower your e and hit him... his q ,woulded be something like turning him range , leaving him too throw 1-2-3 spears over enemy , same likely xin zhao q ... , something like that adapted to pantheon ... , and gameplay would look more much better in my opinnion Sadly , i don't think they will go back to rework him a second time , they will just let him as it is.
Well if his win rate/pickrate stay below average then he's either going to get buffed where he's pretty much picked every game or banned every game. Then riot will just nerf to the point he's not picked again then slowly leave him to die off because they can't find a way to balance his kit and damage numbers without breaking the champ.
: Is new Pantheon bad ?
As an panth otp for over 9 yrs the new champ is crap, i mean shit. People who complain about the damage, clearly don't understand damage numbers. As long as you stand behind minions you're going to take no damage from his q what so ever. His Cd's are so long that early game you're waiting upwards of 9-22seconds because you really can't engage the enemy. The q damage is wack and very easy dodged, w isn't even a threat because its only up every 13 seconds, his e slow's him and doesn't allow him to do much while its active and you can always just kite around him, the ult is very easy dodged and does little to no damage and has a super high cd early on which makes it even more useless. Note ( While using q to poke, its end's up %%%%ing the minion wave more then anything if you miss also pushing power and wave clear greatly reduced due to no E damage) I was unable to one shot an adc with 1.4k with 2-3 items because i had to build bruiser to survive the laning phase and not be useless in team fights. New panth isn't an assasin, he ins't a bruiser, he isn't a tank, he's pretty much useless in every aspect. I'm diamond also on 2 account with panth while having 57% + win rate.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Duh... Since his E is no longer AOE DPS but rather AOE Defence and you dont have a homing missle Q that always hits your enemy. I would be surprised if you would actually deal more damage.
So we have a problem there don't we? Why give some one less damage and defensive abilites when you're not even buffing his tankness? Do guys think before you type? You can't make panth a bruiser and not give him bruiser stats.
: You realise how many champions have gone through this exact cycle... they come out and everyone jumps at saying they are weak without learning them, Riot buffs them, everyone realises that they wherent weak and instead we just didn’t use them right, oh look they are op. {{champion:266}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:350}} and that’s all just without doing any research first. If a champion doesn’t release strong people complain until riot breaks them, then complain at riot for breaking them... or visa versa where they think they are strong, Riot nerfs them, then we learn counter play and it turns out the champion is now useles. So instead of complaining on here and contributing to what I’m sure is going to be pantheon’s death by the same cycle we always go through you can experiment and learn the champion, or leave it to others to do the same. Give it a few weeks to a month then check back on pantheon... if he’s still weak then he is weak, but there’s a very good chance players would have figured him out by then... > I mainted at least 56% win rate on panth over 200 game's ik that champ like the back of my hand at this point, and this rework was nothing good, just visualy pleasing. Yeah and I had that with both old sion and old aatrox... but instead of trying to shove their reworks into their old playstyles I learnt their new ones... even when everyone said both of them where bad I put the time in... and gusss what now they aren’t considered bad because people understand them and I can play them very well for my elo... You need to stop pretending this is old pantheon, you might have been an old pantheon main but you know nothing about this pantheon... no one does. You need to treat him as a new champion and make a choice... whether you are actually loyal to pantheon like I am or if your so easily discouraged from your main by a set back that you will give up on him. > You cleary don't understand how much of an impact the shield chanages had on him because you've not invest the time i have into that champ Why do you think I’ve put so much time into learning new pantheon... I put time into learning him as well... he was my go to jungler (actually the only jungler I can play decently well) I’m not gonna give up on him just because he’s new and considered weak, especially as I’ve put enough time into him to understand the match ups and the champion... something you clearly don’t care for. Like I mentioned earlier I’ve gone through this countless times... if you look at every champion that has ever been in my champion pool at least 75% of them have or will be reworked... I’ve had to put up with this process more than most other people so I’m old hat at it... you play them, see if you enjoy them still, and if you do put effort into learning them... not every champion stays in my pool after a rework but I give them a chance cause I owe it to them... you haven’t.
Most of these reworks on release and how many of them are still strong that riot refuses to nerd??? You’re chatting so much crap it’s amazing, you not even stating anything useful. All those champs are op because they are over stated and the items they build are bloody broken that’s why they are so bloody strong and so bloody good. My god go learn something about the game, also most of those champs have amazing kiting potentiomal and don’t get %%%%ed up by an all in like pantheon does. My god please go learn something about league already, you’re stating stuff I already know. Ask your self how long people have been asking for nerfs for those champs I’ll wait. Every rework riot does is either a flop or broken there is no in-between.
: But he isn’t your main anymore... that’s your problem you assume that because your shield is gone your useless because your too stuck thinking that it’s gonna work like old pantheon it won’t. Like I said unlearn everything you’ve learnt about pantheon it’s not helpful, treat this as a completely new champion. And yes he lost his shield but he gained his new E, which like I’ve said countless times before can be used exactly like how fiora uses her parry to win trades... blocking high impact abilities. So you don’t know how these match ups work, and even 1 billion points on old pantheon would mean jack shit on new pantheon... new champion, new mechanics, new match ups... learn them or give up on pantheon and leave him for those actually willing to learn him.
Have a look at the stats, have a look at the runes. You cleary don't understand how champs works in the higher elo. Panth can't do anything any more. So its either brawler pant, or tank panth at this point because anything else is pretty much useless. You're trying to tell me the rework works, but from what i've gathered and seen its trash and not even pick worthy. Why would i try to pick a champ that gets destroyed by pretty much every top lane match up now? Let him be new, let him be old, nothing will ever chanage the fact about how much ik about that champ and what made him so good incertain match ups. You cleary don't understand how much of an impact the shield chanages had on him because you've not invest the time i have into that champ. I mainted at least 56% win rate on panth over 200 game's ik that champ like the back of my hand at this point, and this rework was nothing good, just visualy pleasing. Ill give it till next patch before riot buff hi's numbers up or leave him to die. Just like Galio!
: 44.9% winrate. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/pantheon
Ye they destroyed this champ with the rework.
: > 1 with half a brain can dodge that ult with out suffering any sort of damage. It’s easier to hit than the old pantheon... and you don’t have to hit it, it’s a semi global teleport... your basically twisted fate use it to get into other lanes for ganks. > What you're saying all well and good, but consider the top lane meta no of that is acutally going to work. Every other decent top lane pick will out bully pantheon no matter what at this point, removing the passive shield leave him vunrubal to a lot of damage which was easy mitaged if you knew how stack the old passive. His E has way to high of cd and does little to no damage, while slowing you and only protecting you from the front, meaning you're losing out dps while using it. Not quite. Tap Qs can let him poke from afar without much retaliation, they are practically the old pantheon Q (seriously same damage, 1 second more cooldown, 5 less mana, 25 less range... the only difference)... so that part of the lane your doing exactly as before. Like I said before you use the E like fiora parry, wait for their highest damaging ability, reactively block it with E, reactivate immedietly. That way it doesn’t slow you, they don’t have a chance to get behind you, your not lowering your damage, and so long as you use it right your blocking abilities that also have high cooldowns. Let’s do some examples... aatrox block the 3rd Q, Darius block his ult, riven block her R, garen block his ult, renekton block the W (which will likely block the Q and Tiamat active given how he combos), yasuo block the 3rd Q (which will mean his ult damage won’t go through if he attempts to follow it up). Yeah you don’t get to block auto attacks now but you get to block abilities, done right that’s just as potent. > Current top lane meta stands as Irelia,urgot, akali, aatrox, riven, kenekton and keenen. These are the champs i mostly see top side in diamond at least, all high moblity, high damage champs which can easy by pass pantheon's E. Also with q being a skill shot if miss that you're pretty much %%%%ed. Ok let’s use those examples. Irelia is a tougher match up as you don’t have something good to block. Urgot block the front (or back shotguns) to limit his damage (as he charges E up use your E behind you to block his follow up)... and I think you can block the ult execute if you time it right. Akali blocking her second ult is prob best. Kennen you can block a bit of his ult and buffer the stun. If he has to run around you he ain’t dealing damage either. And the Q is only a skillshot if you charge it... only a bad pantheon charges Q in lane. Tap Q, it’s instant and halves the cooldown. > I've played pantheon enough to understand what strenghts and weakness he had as chamption. The new reworks made his flaw's even worse. Its all good jumping in with W until you can't one shot them then you have no really escape other then E but that cd is way to long and you're 100% never going to max that first. And that’s the problem... quite common in reworks. Your playing him like he’s old pantheon and assuming that will work... forget what you know and treat him like a new champion... trust me it works so much better. He’s difficult but from the looks of things your falling into the two most common mistakes... you should never charge Q only ever use the tap Q unless you are going for the execute... and reactivate the E ASAP you don’t want to give them a chance to outmanuvure you use it to block something bit then reactivate
Dude i'm diamond ik how the game works and how these match ups work. If i was strugling fighting these champs with old pantheon there is no chance in hell, these match ups are being won with new panth. I think after 1million points on him i'd understand how my main works. The shield was the biggest part of winning trades, now that's gone you're a free walking ward.
: Doesn’t matter that your maxing Q, infact it synergies with it better... don’t forget that on top of the burst you’ve got a damage amp as well which buffs up the rest of your combo namely the Q You’ve also got to remember the biggest strengh pantheon has and always has had... his ult. he’s a top laner with a semi global ability which means that he gets to gank other lanes really easily (go back to base, ult bot, then tp back)... PTA helps with this big time as the damage amp helps your team deal damage. And in lane unless your going all in no other rune really helps... your gonna open up any fight with an empowered W, but outside of that your just poking with your tap Q so unless you get comet you might as well build for the all in with the W. As for actually playing him always use tap Q the charged one is never worth it unless your going for the last hit, always start with your empowered W, reactivate the E immediately to get back to dealing damage using it reactively like a fiora parry... that should increase your damage a decent amount. And yeah he gets outscaled, honestly he always has done... but early game you can fight and win, and later on you’ve got a global ult, a point and click stun, invunerability, and a damage amp (if you take PTA, it scales better than other runes)... just jump onto the most important target and keep them busy, if you kill them that’s great if not you’ve at least taken their damage out of the fight for now. Also maybe try titanic hydra, something I’ve been experimenting with but it gives your empowered W a decent health scaling and the auto attack reset really helps make the combo feel more fluid (empowered W, triple auto, auto, hydra, auto, tap Q). HoB can be used to the same effect to help do the combo fast, though definitely gonna be less damage than other options (potentially, still testing it out).
Gonna stop you there, the new is beyond trash i mean any 1 with half a brain can dodge that ult with out suffering any sort of damage. What you're saying all well and good, but consider the top lane meta no of that is acutally going to work. Every other decent top lane pick will out bully pantheon no matter what at this point, removing the passive shield leave him vunrubal to a lot of damage which was easy mitaged if you knew how stack the old passive. His E has way to high of cd and does little to no damage, while slowing you and only protecting you from the front, meaning you're losing out dps while using it. Current top lane meta stands as Irelia,urgot, akali, aatrox, riven, kenekton and keenen. These are the champs i mostly see top side in diamond at least, all high moblity, high damage champs which can easy by pass pantheon's E. Also with q being a skill shot if miss that you're pretty much %%%%ed. I've played pantheon enough to understand what strenghts and weakness he had as chamption. The new reworks made his flaw's even worse. Its all good jumping in with W until you can't one shot them then you have no really escape other then E but that cd is way to long and you're 100% never going to max that first.
: It’s actually very good, gives good burst and follow up damage if you combo it correctly. It’s his best one and let’s you trade in lane well and gank. Later one you can’t brawl as well but it’s a teamwide damage amp meaning anyone you hit with an empowered W is an easy kill for your team.
Ye doesn't work vs any decent top lane chamption. I tried it enough to find out it sucks and found out the hard way. Due to the long cd on w and the fact you're maxing out Q; press the attack is wack. I'm yet to even get close to a decent rune page/style that allows me to vs any decent diamond player top lane. So far Elc has been my main rune and that works alright until every %%%%er out scales you, since you're unable to deal any decent damage with the new kit. I'm one very experienced panth player. https://gyazo.com/dfd43e0203b2a9b7321130e22a6f1b4b
Shamose (EUW)
: Conq is meh on panth. I'd take Press the Attack. Jumping in with empowerd W would just stack it right away giving the rest of your attacks more damage EDIT: This is for lane panth. Predator or Aftershock in jungle.
Press the attack doesn't work, it suck ass. You're not tanky enough to even try get a decent trade with it. Tbf everything sucks on the new panth, the champ sucks ass.
: > [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=lAglskR7,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-15T19:13:38.759+0000) > > This new panth 100% isn't. {{sticker:galio-happy}} I rest my case
I was ahead as him with the same damage item's i had as old panth and i 100% was doing less damage.
: > [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=lAglskR7,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-15T19:10:55.803+0000) > > Riot hasn't done a decent rework yet, every champ they have reworked as either been busted on release of gutted to the point they're unplayable. I don't think riot can do anything right atm, i've played this game since beta. Mained panth for about 9yrs and this deffo not what i had in mind for my champ. honestly what isn't busted on release? ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)
This new panth 100% isn't.
: Listen buddy, chill {{sticker:sg-lulu}} > [{quoted}](name=NowiFate,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=lAglskR7,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-15T18:16:33.661+0000) > > I have mained Pantheon for a really long time now. Ever since I heard Pantheon might be reworked, I have been so afriad. I hoped that Riot would cancel this rework. Sadly yesterday when I opened the client I saw that the rework has made it through and has been finalized. Riot reworks outdated or unbalanced champions. Why do they do that? To Freshen up the game and make the game more enjoyable **even tho we cannot really say the game is that enjoyable for some**, but It's enjoyable and fun for me. > I guess that some players whom didn't really play Pantheon a lot like this rework and might play him now. But as somebody who loved Pantheon a lot, I really hate this rework. I don't care how simular people think this rework is to the old Pantheon, his kit has completely changed. Of course I gave him a try. His W is still kind of the same, but aside from that, his kit is soooo different. The worst part about it imo is how his Q is now a skillshot, making him more skill-based than before with his point-click spear, and his passive is totally different. > Dramatic, I do not mean any offence; But your mindset reminds me of a child discribing how his new toy is not the same as his old toy. The champions skill cap is now icreased a bit, a little more difficulty shoudn't scare a Pantheon main. > They did this before with Mordekaiser and Akali and other champions as well. My question is: Why would you do this? Why delete characters and then act as if they have been 'upgraded'? They could have just added a new character, but they chose to delete my main. > I don't get it? LOL is struggling with losing their playerbase, so they decide to delete characters that some people love so much? I don't see how this is going to get more people to play this. Instead, you lose some Pantheon mains, because I am fairly sure that I am not the only one here. > There's other games out there that are much like LOL, such as Mobile Legends: Bang Bang. It's a fun game and they don't delete characters that you love from the game! > Why should they add a new character? I mean the current character pool is already huge. Morde and Akali were outdated even tho Akali already had a mini-rework before, now they both fit into **Modern** League of Legends, and so does the new Pantheon. Riot isn't struggling alot honestly they might be losing players but not at a huge pace and with each new rework, upgrade or whatever; People come back and they wanna see If it works for them, If it does not, oh well none forces them to stay, Also new reworks also attract new players firstly becuse of the visuals. I don't think Riot loses much Pantheon mains and even If they do, they coudn't care less to be completly honest. Sure there are games like League, but are they successfull as League? I don't think so. Everytime Riot has proven that everytime a new game comes out, usually is ranked number 1 on twitch for a month or two but and than League comes back up every single time. > > I was upset when they changed some of the other champions, but now that they have changed my main character that I have played for so many games, I'm going to quit League of Legends until they undo this stupid rework. This may sound outrageous, but imagine Riot completely deleting your main character from the game. > Boohoo, cry me a river. Don't think riot will undo their reworks ever. It may sound outrageous, but behind deleting a main character they would always a good reason to. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Riot hasn't done a decent rework yet, every champ they have reworked as either been busted on release of gutted to the point they're unplayable. I don't think riot can do anything right atm, i've played this game since beta. Mained panth for about 9yrs and this deffo not what i had in mind for my champ.
: > [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdBh2fEj,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-08-15T11:42:36.267+0000) > > The rework is so bad it’s a joke, and I’ve Mained panth for 9yrs. Like his problem has always been the all in, he was either all in the enemy and kill them or be killed since you had no escape tool and w was on high cd. Q yes does do decent Damage with the empower but is easy dodged, w doesn’t offer the shield so it’s more risky to jump in, his e has way to high cd and doesn’t do damage and the damage reduction is trash and very easy played around. I don’t even want to talk about how crap his ult is, %%%% me it takes so long to charge up every one already walked away from it and due to the shit animation you can’t engage fast enough to do something. The visual look amazing, the champs combat trash. Instead of being able to block 3 attacks now you can block 1 attack every 22 seconds. Very poor rework. I could play panth into pretty much every match up decently not anymore. Even if you get a few kills in lane, it feels like you are useless as pantheon, while if you were fed as any other toplaner you could faceroll their team. What a shame. His teamfighting purpose is buying some time for your team with your E because you dont do enough damage to kill anybody.
Ye that’s the problem, panth has always been an lane bully and early game champ. With the current cd’s and damage he doesn’t even do that atm. His e is just utter crap and can easy be played around with kind of cd, why pick panth when other top laners can do so much better. Like removing the shield passive killed of his engage which was useful when you needed to trade with out taking to much Harass.
: Played against several pantheons, His damage is not toplane material.
The rework is so bad it’s a joke, and I’ve Mained panth for 9yrs. Like his problem has always been the all in, he was either all in the enemy and kill them or be killed since you had no escape tool and w was on high cd. Q yes does do decent Damage with the empower but is easy dodged, w doesn’t offer the shield so it’s more risky to jump in, his e has way to high cd and doesn’t do damage and the damage reduction is trash and very easy played around. I don’t even want to talk about how crap his ult is, %%%% me it takes so long to charge up every one already walked away from it and due to the shit animation you can’t engage fast enough to do something. The visual look amazing, the champs combat trash. Instead of being able to block 3 attacks now you can block 1 attack every 22 seconds. Very poor rework. I could play panth into pretty much every match up decently not anymore.
: Why play normal tho ? It doesn't matter. Just play ranked and let people who can't play ranked play normal since they don't really have a choice.
Since when has ranked been any better for match making? Ranked is worse then normal's at diamond +. So what you're saying is that i should never play normals and only keep to ranked? Because riot can't make normal's some what fair instead of matching diamond players vs golds.
Rioter Comments
: > Its only stable because riot gut the lp you gain in diamond, unless you're a full time streamer or invest hours the chances of hitting challenger is very slim. That sounds paranoid/delusional. Even in master - challenger there are (large) skill gaps. Some players are simply better than others, e.g. Apdo(Dopa). > diamond 5 with 62% win rate, my lp went from 21lp in P1 to earning about 14-16 in diamond while losing 18-20. A deciding factor for the D4(5) wall is probably "rank decay" which is only present in dia+. At diamond you should actually expect some "coinflippiness" (I made that word up) because many players that somehow got there but cannot get higher try to stay. Especially at the border you should expect lots of players with MMRs below the rank-represented MMR. This messes up MMR(-changes) and matchmaking, constancy is the only thing that can carry you past this.
Nah if you have a look at master/challenger over the years its been mostly the same people who always end up at the top. When you end the season with pretty high mmr its very easy to obtain a higher ranking because you're filtered out having to be matched with much lower skill players. Also i didn't stop the account at D5 i made it to D3 promo's with 58% win rate, then got coin-flipped a losing spree back to down to D4 0lp with my bot losing nearly every game at around 8-10 mins, both promo's where FF at 15, then nearly every game after was a stomp by the enemy, one game they lost turret 7 mins in. So again you're wrong, after 3 account being in diamond i can very well tell you skill doesn't matter for shit, as long you get decent mate's that are not brain dead. Lets no talk about the first 3 game's in D5, i had 3 players who went afk after losing first blood, and only played once a month to maintain their rank. D5 is the worst elo to have because you can't influence you game's enough to carry with a team that's incompetent and every loss hits your mmr a lot harder then every win. Why do you think pro's don't care about losing game's in low elo, oh wait because mmr doesn't effect you under P1. The problem to climb starts to occur after D5, where you need to team to climb. You could even make a new account last with no mmr what so ever start base rank P5. Cause the alt started G2 going 9-1.
: You are wrong. Normal queue has no restrictions.
Never said normal has restriction, but the game will try to match with your skill level. So as diamond player the game will try match with diamond and i'd rather no have my low level friends get stomped.
: Then explain to me why the challenger population is relative stable over the years? The problem you describe is a consequence of ranked resets and alt accounts abusing a systemic weighing factor of matchmaking systems (and other factors).
Its only stable because riot gut the lp you gain in diamond, unless you're a full time streamer or invest hours the chances of hitting challenger is very slim. Cause last season hitting diamond 5 with 62% win rate, my lp went from 21lp in P1 to earning about 14-16 in diamond while losing 18-20. The same with the alt account, it hit diamond with 56% win rate and lp gain in diamond wasn't worth me going any higher.
: You are one of those who causes problems in matchmaking and did it ever come to your mind that you have reached your ceiling?
Not a chance as i found out when i made my other smurf, people always told me i was plat player, the made to other account and they both reached diamond with 56% win rate. Even with a lot less game's. Ranked is a coin flip the higher you go, skill doesn't matter much.
: > Also a lot of people make a second account to play with friends, that are not of the same skill as them. One of the disadvantages with League, which I learned the hard way, is that it's impossible for two people of different skill level to play together. The game is a mess, not enjoyable. And I am talking about normals and stuff. Because in Ranked that's just boosting.
No it isn't possible to play with friends in normal when your account rank is diamond and your friend is bronze. Like i've closer game's on alt account with friends then i have on the main. So ill stick with my low silver account to have fun.
: I'm confused as to Riot's position on smurfing
Ye cause ranked isn't fun after diamond for any one with a bloody brain, you hit diamond you're account is doomed to stay D4 unless you get extremely lucky with team's so people lose the will to carry on playing because there is little to no effect in trying. Also if riot wasn't so anal about people being toxic then they'ed also see a lot less smurfs, people getting perma banned will make more then one account to keep playing. Lets not bloody start out with how bloody bad every start to the season is, so unless you have more then 1 account for trail and error you going to get %%%%ed, another reason to make a smurf account. If riot fixed ranked so that people where bloody matched with people of the same skill, and matches where more even, instead of one side being stomped every bloody game then you might see a reduction. Also a lot of people make a second account to play with friends, that are not of the same skill as them. You can't tackle smurfing because its not a big enough of a problem, unless a smurf purposely loses, then the likely hood their going to stay in a shitty elo are very slim. Every smurf i made hit P5 in about 50-60 game's.
Paracord (EUW)
: Ranked summed up for the casual player - Fix your got damn matchmaking system!
See ranked ins't so bad at any level bellow plat, duo to the fact if you're good enough you can easy carry. Now the problems is your game's above plat where you have no chance but relay, on your team mates acutely being good. The ranked system is %%%%ed, but mostly around Low diamond/ High plat. The game will always try to make play at a 50/50 level. So once you start hitting anything above that expect team m8's without a brain.
Irarius (EUW)
: Why i personally dont want to play this game anymore... after almost 9 years
I feel you to dude, season 1 vet. The only thing that got me massively reduce the amount i played was them banning my 9yr account. I made a similar post a while back, no matter how many people agree riot won't change in there ways. The game is a former shell of it self long gone is the fun and excitement. That died of in season 3-4! https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/uifN7jtJ-perma-ban
Lari (EUNE)
: How can i climb?
Simply by luck.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support-en/oR4N06EF-mods-falsely-removed-my-comments Look at this.... A mod falsely removed my comment. I asked for a response from them explaining WHY they removed it. I hided the name of the person I was making an example of + the games were made few mouth ago so there is absolutely no way in tracking them (I even mentioned that) so I basically wasn't naming and shaming ANYONE. And I got 7 idiots downvoting my post for even I don't know what reason. Not to mention that this comment permanently suspended me from using the league boards... Either cocky mods abusing their powers or mods that don't know what they are defending. If you want the full message I can send it on discord since mods will probably falsely remove my comment again.
You can't get anything through the boards they're all low level players here, if it doesn't work their way they will downvote you to oblivion even with facts and proof.
ZereFbg (EUNE)
: I've already read it many times fam :D Not to mention that you got 14 downvotes for basically no reason. Edit: The most obnoxious thing that I see with these people is that they think their experience in normals/arams is the same as in ranked... Don't even want to listen when you tell them the differences. I literally made a huge ass comment to the moron who said they are the same... Till this day he still states that both are the same... ''RANK SHAMING, RANK SHAMING'' . This shit reminds me of the fat acceptance bullshit.
People down vote stuff that's doesn't fit their agenda, and people who don't play ranked at higher tiers shouldn't get a say on most things. Ranked currently is a shit show, the teams are unbalanced and ranked is a joke and has has been more many years. Riot as never ever addressed trolling and inting because their system is trash tier. They spend more time on skins and cinematics then they do on fix their game. If it doesn't effect the pro scene they don't give a %%%%, this what happens when you sell your company to the Chinese its more about profit, then game improvements.
igamlac (EUW)
: MMR and Matchmaking
This is very true riot does want to to be at a solid 50% win rate. Lets me put this into prospected, this account last since hit diamond 5 with a solid 72% win rate, then i reached diamond 3 promo's with a 62% win rate, lost both my promo game's are hard stomps with my bot lane losing turret in under 10 mins both times. After a solid month of playing maybe less, because i needed honor 2 i was already back down to D5 with just over 55% win rate i dropped all the way to p3 and ended the season P1 promo's to d5 at 50% win rate. But yet my smurf account at the time, hit d4 with a solid 56% win rate which i never touched again because riot was bound to give me worst players. I did the experiment a couple years back, my main account was stuck with 50% win in p5, but the alt account i made manged to hit p1 in less then 200 game's. Its all bullshit to keep player who are addicted to keep spend and playing and waste their time in their game.
ZereFbg (EUNE)
: People literally upvote posts in which they want harsher punishments for players saying ''ez'' (which is the biggest joke I've ever seen) but don't want to upvote posts regarding criticism to Riot on their shitty system for detecting trolls/intentional feeding. This is the real problem here, not people saying ''ez''. Its really stupid at how people see words as a bigger problem than actions (aka inting/trolling, saying that because I am 100% someone won't understand) when you have a mute option in the game.
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/uifN7jtJ-perma-ban this explains everything
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: As you age, your reactions become slower and slower. So at one point, you wont just cut it for diamond anymore.
I'm only 22 dude and in excellent shape. I lost all my skill in the last 2 weeks of pre season? No the bottom line is ranked matches are unbalanced to oblivion and its pure luck who gets the less awful team, its a proven fact. I already did the research for this 2 season ago and proved that ranked climbing is biased on who gets the better team not based on your skill.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: why downvote this? it is true, and for once it's actually more of a generic overview instead of a complaint
They down vote it because they hate facts. See its my fault i can't climb not other people's yet i've managed 3 account to diamond last season with over 55% win rate. Ye this season my other account cant catch a break
Blakex13x (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=EZs9gti7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-01T23:19:18.463+0000) > > Riot always wins. yea they take your money let the trolls inters ruin your games and dont care about you losing and will ban you thanks riot. best company ever 9 years now and you still dont listen to you community thanks a bunch.
They banned my 9 year old account for being toxic, but won't ban trolls and inters. Ye saying words get you a perma but running down mid and going 0-20 and trolling doesn't because (bad game)
Blakex13x (EUW)
: riot wins again.
Riot always wins.
ZereFbg (EUNE)
: Its really really really easy to int/troll without getting punished but these people don't want to accept it since they are a bunch of casuals who spam normals/arams and they don't see such people in their games (for really obvious reasons). Meaning all we say is a bunch of lies or we don't know what inting/trolling is. But surprisingly enough these people have 0 experience YET they know more than us... I even invited Hansiman, one of the biggest defenders of Riot to make a discussion in voice chat. He obviously declined it and made bunch of excuses instead of saying ''no, thanks but (gives a REAL REASON). I can even post a link to the pictures if you want to ... The sad part is that in 1 post I replied to his comment and said ''This is why I don't respect you'' and he removed my comment because he received A LOT of hate on his comment which is fully understandable once you see it. He won't accept the criticism tho. http://prntscr.com/mf5o59 , http://prntscr.com/mf5oko . Its sad at how the words ''ignorance'' , ''stupid'' and some other shit have the only 1 purpose... to insult. Even when that's the truth. Its even more sad that the world is still rainbows and sunshine for them.
Han is a riot white knight! The guy doesn't accept fact, even if you give him proof. I schooled him a couple years back and he couldn't hack it.
ZereFbg (EUNE)
: I am not surprised at how the fanboys decided to react to this post. Its the absolute truth YET they defend Riot... I am disgusted at how far this has gone Edit: gj at downvoting. How about coming up as a real man and have a discussion with me ? But I will accept only on voice chat.
They been down voting everything for years, i can even prove that you can int hard and riot won't do anything. But spam chat with words and you're more then likely going to get banned. I've seen people go 20+ game's trolling spree and still keep playing xd.
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: Yes and Rİot is not even compansating your LP when there is afk, troll in your team. So this means that instead of 1 mouth for you to climb up to tier you deserve it might take 4 mouths, or therotically there is possiblity that you will never reach to place you deserve. We are not asking Riot to rever 1 BE capsules back; we are asking for riot to at least decrease the amouth of LP we lose when there is AFK at least ( When I say afk we are talking about at least 10 minutes of not participating in game) + I found it stupis also when enemy has afk in early game, and when they had to remake we won't get LP from it. It is not our fault that they have afk. So same logic give us LP cuz we are lucky that we didn't afk too XD
Like my last 7 game's have been losses because some is trolling or feeding. Its a joke.
Rioter Comments
Adama (EUW)
: add to that a 4th reason: Tryhard in low elo to get praised because their fragile ego needs a boost.
And there is that as well.
: It is not a bug. RIOT announced it themselves. The bug is that all accounts are actually falling in iron (even old ones).
Doesn't make much off a difference anyways since match making is based on mmr. If you're good at the game it doesn't matter you will climb, faster then others. Rank tiers are just there to give a competitive feeling to ranked and boost people's ego's :)
: Now, all new accounts starts in iron. The solution I proposed was to help with reason 1. The 2 others aren't really "good" smurfs.
Pretty sure the new account start in iron is a bug because of the new tiers. Also if you're a good smurf you will be put with other smurfs so you never ever meet new players unless you purposely make that account as trash as possible. I've made too other accounts and most match's i played where against people of my level. Even in normal's i was vsing level 30 more often then not at like level 15.
: How about encouraging sportsman smurfs?? Like giving people who want to make a new account to try stuff or to climb better the possibility to link it to his old account, so he won't have to start from iron and hurt other people. They will have some kind of soft reset like during the new seasons (so the new account won't have the same rank or mmr as the old one, but at the same time, he won't start from very low elo) I understand that this won't solve the whole problem since some smurfs are actually coming to crush new players or because they had their old accounts banned. But it can at least reduce the number of smurfs. Of course, if you notice that some of the linked accounts are boosted, the main account will get banned too. This will be helpful to avoid people making tons of boosted accounts and selling them. Hope you like the idea.
If you're a good smurf you should never start anything lower then gold 5. Also if you're making a new account or smuring and you purposely lose to get placed into a lower elo then why would they link it to their main account. People only ever make new accounts for 3 reason. 1. They want to try new stuff and don't want to destroy their main accounts mmr/rank 2. They got a perma ban 3. They want to troll low elo player and be a toxic burden in league games.
Riryz (EUW)
: yeah and right before you say "for permanent bans". once again, riot would throw away their reputation by selling permabanned people new account just so they can make money of skins. youre basically saying riot doesnt mind having us play with toxic players as long as they can make money of of them. which is wrong because riot doesnt care how much money you have spent, if youre toxic you get banned.
The only reason you get perma banned still is because riot makes a profit of perma banning accounts. Addicted players will make new accounts and re-buy the same skins. So more accounts = more skin sales and more profit.
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