: So u complaining that they no make it a jgl rune then?
> [{quoted}](name=Crablobster10,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T10:49:05.411+0000) > > So u complaining that they no make it a jgl rune then? You're understanding this wrong its also MEANT for jungle however its next to useless.
: > [{quoted}](name=ssamiaa,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T15:28:19.429+0000) > > The worth you get out of it if you have 500 base hp is 1 so with 3k you have 6 hp out of it. If you have 3k hp that likely means your in the late game stage and wanting to end, you get the most out of it the closer you are to ending the game how is that a good design? thats the same as getting 50g from destroying the nexus its pointless. You would want to stack it up for late game stage not stack it up when you can end the game so unless your sion the worth you get of it is minimal ooh but dont forget its out of 8 minions the average cs is 250+ at 30 min considering you get half of it in the first 20 min and your not tanky at those times you arent getting alot out of it. Im not saying you should get 600 hp out of it every single time, but common is 200-300 hp not possible for junglers? Well, i just had another {{champion:36}} game that lasted 37 minutes (not the longest i had), with this build: {{item:2049}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3082}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3401}}. At the end of the game, i had 273 HP, with 89 CS. Quite solid bonus if you ask me. Even if i happened to depush quite a bit of waves that would have been lost to the towers (some idiot even flamed me for that), i was still support, so i'm not inclined to think that for a jungler to achieve such result would be that much more difficult. Again, however, i was building almost full tank. I actually play {{champion:14}} in the jungle but i don't use overgrowth. I prefer to run revitalize to fuel my shields (both mine and locket) and potion.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T16:22:23.895+0000) > > Well, i just had another {{champion:36}} game that lasted 37 minutes (not the longest i had), with this build: {{item:2049}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3082}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3401}}. > > At the end of the game, i had 273 HP, with 89 CS. Quite solid bonus if you ask me. Even if i happened to depush quite a bit of waves that would have been lost to the towers (some idiot even flamed me for that), i was still support, so i'm not inclined to think that for a jungler to achieve such result would be that much more difficult. Again, however, i was building almost full tank. > > I actually play {{champion:14}} in the jungle but i don't use overgrowth. I prefer to run revitalize to fuel my shields (both mine and locket) and potion. I just wish it would be usefull for anyone else besides tanks.
: Its not a keystone
> [{quoted}](name=Crablobster10,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-01-12T21:38:37.060+0000) > > Its not a keystone no shit sherlock its not a keystone and its not a rune for junglers.
: > [{quoted}](name=ssamiaa,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T15:07:11.112+0000) > > Using your logic the only ones who can use it are tanks? She ganks early game and domination helps with that and then you opt into a what tankier build and overgrowth would help with that. The logic is that this rune gives you more health the more health you build. So you if you want to make a bruiser/ap - tank build, you are naturally going to have less HP with overgrowth.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T15:14:57.076+0000) > > The logic is that this rune gives you more health the more health you build. So you if you want to make a bruiser/ap - tank build, you are naturally going to have less HP with overgrowth. The worth you get out of it if you have 500 base hp is 1 so with 3k you have 6 hp out of it. If you have 3k hp that likely means your in the late game stage and wanting to end, you get the most out of it the closer you are to ending the game how is that a good design? thats the same as getting 50g from destroying the nexus its pointless. You would want to stack it up for late game stage not stack it up when you can end the game so unless your sion the worth you get of it is minimal ooh but dont forget its out of 8 minions the average cs is 250+ at 30 min considering you get half of it in the first 20 min and your not tanky at those times you arent getting alot out of it. Im not saying you should get 600 hp out of it every single time, but common is 200-300 hp not possible for junglers?
Cypherous (EUW)
: For junglers there are probably better rune options than the resolve tree
> [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T15:05:28.285+0000) > > For junglers there are probably better rune options than the resolve tree There are but does that justify not being allowed to use it cause you gain nothing out of it? If the enemy teamcomp isnt in your favor there should be a way to play around it and I feel like the overgrowth is exactly that thing but it just doesnt do anything atm.
: > [{quoted}](name=ssamiaa,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-12T14:18:51.911+0000) > > Y your mundo support but what about my elise jungle? 0.2% every 8 minions do you know how long it would take to get 200 hp of off that. Its decent for laners but awefull for junglers I'm not trying to say every rune should be viable but this rune seems like one of those that should be viable in the jngle considering it says "8 jungle creeps" Well i don't think elise should be build full tank anyway, so why you bother? Adding to that, Elise should be ganking quite early in the game and not care that much for late. Since Elise got sustain, maybe revitalize would be better for her.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T14:27:28.067+0000) > > Well i don't think elise should be build full tank anyway, so why you bother? Adding to that, Elise should be ganking quite early in the game and not care that much for late. Since Elise got sustain, maybe revitalize would be better for her. Using your logic the only ones who can use it are tanks? She ganks early game and domination helps with that and then you opt into a what tankier build and overgrowth would help with that.
: In a game of early-medium lenght my {{champion:36}} support will get around 150 HP more which is a {{item:1028}} out of nowhere and a plus of 400g. For a support is much cash so i don't really think there's this need to buff it.
> [{quoted}](name=Sarchiapon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-12T13:18:21.269+0000) > > In a game of early-medium lenght my {{champion:36}} support will get around 150 HP more which is a {{item:1028}} out of nowhere and a plus of 400g. For a support is much cash so i don't really think there's this need to buff it. Y your mundo support but what about my elise jungle? 0.2% every 8 minions do you know how long it would take to get 200 hp of off that. Its decent for laners but awefull for junglers I'm not trying to say every rune should be viable but this rune seems like one of those that should be viable in the jngle considering it says "8 jungle creeps"
Cypherous (EUW)
: 234 minions (37 waves) will have entered a lane at the 20 minute mark 360 minions (57 waves) at the 30 minute mark Although this math assumes no inhibitors have been destroyed as this would affect the numbers slightly depending on if its 1 or 3 inhibs down 234 minions = 29 stacks (5.8%) 360 minions = 45 stacks (9%) Assuming 2k health 234 = 116HP 360 = 180HP Assuming 3k health 234 = 174HP 360 = 270HP For what is essentially "free" stats it does add up once you take EHP in to account on tanks, obviously the more HP you buy the more you gain Assuming 3.5k health 234 = 203HP 360 = 315HP Assuming 4k health 234 = 232HP 360 = 360HP Its never going to be super epic awesome amounts of HP but it does literally require you to do very little but stand in the lane, top laners will benefit more from grasp of the undying assuming they can proc it enough, for example if you're up against a ranged as a melee you might be worth taking it over grasp as you won't have many chances to proc it, now the fun starts when you take grasp AND overgrowth, as you can anyway as overgrowth is a secondary rune not a keystone so tanks like mundo can double dip if they want Although the claims of getting 630 HP from overgrowth must be assuming EHP rather than raw HP Also, these numbers assume you don't miss ANY minions, which is pretty impossible over 30 minutes unless your name is ornn as you'll need to recall at some point which will cost you atleast 1 wave aswell as roaming for objectives etc
> [{quoted}](name=Cypherous,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T13:24:25.934+0000) > > 234 minions (37 waves) will have entered a lane at the 20 minute mark > 360 minions (57 waves) at the 30 minute mark > > Although this math assumes no inhibitors have been destroyed as this would affect the numbers slightly depending on if its 1 or 3 inhibs down > > > 234 minions = 29 stacks (5.8%) > > 360 minions = 45 stacks (9%) > > Assuming 2k health > > 234 = 116HP > > 360 = 180HP > > Assuming 3k health > > 234 = 174HP > > 360 = 270HP > > For what is essentially "free" stats it does add up once you take EHP in to account on tanks, obviously the more HP you buy the more you gain > > Assuming 3.5k health > > 234 = 203HP > > 360 = 315HP > > Assuming 4k health > > 234 = 232HP > > 360 = 360HP > > Its never going to be super epic awesome amounts of HP but it does literally require you to do very little but stand in the lane, top laners will benefit more from grasp of the undying assuming they can proc it enough, for example if you're up against a ranged as a melee you might be worth taking it over grasp as you won't have many chances to proc it, now the fun starts when you take grasp AND overgrowth, as you can anyway as overgrowth is a secondary rune not a keystone so tanks like mundo can double dip if they want > > Although the claims of getting 630 HP from overgrowth must be assuming EHP rather than raw HP > > Also, these numbers assume you don't miss ANY minions, which is pretty impossible over 30 minutes unless your name is ornn as you'll need to recall at some point which will cost you atleast 1 wave aswell as roaming for objectives etc Y but what about junglers? sorry that every laner can get 500 hp whilst junglers get 30 they should increase the worth on monsters.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Maluber,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-12T04:25:07.480+0000) > > It's actually pretty good for a secondary rune. Had games in the range of 340-630 bonus HP. 150 HP is 400g so compared to other runes its great value. Im not home so i can t pay too much attention but 0,2% per 8 minions 100minions : 8 = 12,# = 13x0,2= 2,6% 2,6% of 2000hp = 52hp Average numbers Worth?
> [{quoted}](name=Shukr4n,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=27AZ5uOF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T08:55:26.239+0000) > > Im not home so i can t pay too much attention but > 0,2% per 8 minions > 100minions : 8 = 12,# = 13x0,2= 2,6% > 2,6% of 2000hp = 52hp > Average numbers > Worth? Y bu what if your jungle? do you know how much 100 jungle monsters are? thats atleast 10 min of the game its impossible to stack it in the jungle.
Rioter Comments
: Tahm Kench because he is frog-otten, get it?!! {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Nah man, Skarner I guess. Noone is really forgotten, I enjoy all champs in League. But people not playing him then it's skarner According to http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=ascend the least played champion is Ivern. Surprisingly. followed by Aurelion Sol
> [{quoted}](name=BDTalon NadedBD,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uEsnzLVn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-02T21:21:42.005+0000) > > Tahm Kench because he is frog-otten, get it?!! > > {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} At first it was super cringe but then i saw that emote and that made my day. gj
NightHunerR (EUNE)
: Forgotten champs
: No but maybe your english is so bad that you fail to convey your message
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=f3MxqZsV,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T15:36:47.716+0000) > > No but maybe your english is so bad that you fail to convey your message Ok Ok
: > it sometimes happens that i afk after a weak or 2 and then i still get 20 min Which is the perfect definition of consistency that is punished by leave buster. If you go afk once every 2 weeks that's waaaay too often and you should be happy that lb only gives out low priority queue and not real bans
> [{quoted}](name=Dividedby0error,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=f3MxqZsV,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-11-15T15:11:09.404+0000) > > Which is the perfect definition of consistency that is punished by leave buster. > > If you go afk once every 2 weeks that's waaaay too often and you should be happy that lb only gives out low priority queue and not real bans Blind? i said it **SOMETIMES **happens that i get a 20 min ban and then afk next day and still dont get it if that isnt consistent then what is?
Hansiman (EUNE)
: You don't get hit by LeaverBuster for disconnecting from a single game. LB targets consistency. This game was simply the last drop in a cup that was already full, pushing you over the edge. If you were punished by a 10 minute LPQ, then it implies that this isn't the first time you're being punished for leaving. Everyone has technical problems once in a while, and we won't get a punishment for that. If you keep queueing up knowing you have problems with the game, then you can only blame yourself. Ensuring that the game properly works on your system is your responsibility.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=f3MxqZsV,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T14:44:08.445+0000) > > You don't get hit by LeaverBuster for disconnecting from a single game. LB targets consistency. > > This game was simply the last drop in a cup that was already full, pushing you over the edge. If you were punished by a 10 minute LPQ, then it implies that this isn't the first time you're being punished for leaving. > > Everyone has technical problems once in a while, and we won't get a punishment for that. If you keep queueing up knowing you have problems with the game, then you can only blame yourself. Ensuring that the game properly works on your system is your responsibility. Thats so not true it sometimes happens that i afk after a weak or 2 and then i still get 20 min
Loonsteer (EUW)
: why dont you play him? if he so OP
> [{quoted}](name=Loonsteer,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=XjOzzono,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-11-12T21:50:05.737+0000) > > why dont you play him? if he so OP 2 factor's a. i like mechanical challanging champions b. i dont like abusing champs that are broken i despise the champ so im not gonna play him.
: Pantheon is pain in the ass, true, when you're forced to face him (or Jayce for that matter) you really just want to jump out of your window, head first. I know that feel, I really do. So, what I have do against Pantheon before is just deduce how his kit works; he harasses and all ins you whenever you get into range and he blocks physical damage with his passive. So, I was like, what if I pick a magic DMG ranged character, I can CS from range and I can poke him regardless of his passive. The answer is {{champion:85}} . You have energy and a long ranged, short CD skill-shot, so you can pick up a reasonable amount of cs. Try to just focus on CS and only trade when the opportunity arrives. Prep up 3 autos, auto him with the 4th to down his passive, the 5th will be the empowered W passive stack, auto-w-q him and stun him to then run away, even with you E if necessary. If you can pull this off fast enough, you'll stun him before he can jump on you, if he does jump on you, you'll still have a reasonable trade because Kennen's damage is very solid. Start {{item:1054}} for some damage reduction to the Q corrupting pot poke, and just straight up rush {{item:3047}} +{{item:3191}} , and then go {{item:3152}} to add some extra health to your newly acquired armor values. This should cost you 4800 G, which is fairly all right, since Zhonya's and Protobelt are core items on Kennen anyway (AP Kennen, I think you got that already, since playing AD Kennen into Pantheon would be pretty dense :3). Just farm, don't be aggressive when it doesn't clearly favor you to do so, get these items, play smart and you will do fine. In teamfights/skirmishes, AP Kennen is an absolute beast, and he won't fall off going into the late game. Your team benefits greatly from you, since you bring direct utility and sick AOE damage to a teamfight AND because you didn't feed a Pantheon because you could farm from a range and occasionally poke him with Q's and W's so that he had a lot less health for his beloved all-in play, which will ultimately lead to him being much more hesitant to all-in you. Also, in case you weren't aware yet (which, seeing you've got a S6 Gold icon, I'd assume you know it already, but just to be sure), {{item:2055}} makes miracles happen, the very last thing you want to do is die to their jungle, which, assuming he'll want to get he max value out of his Pantheon, will visit the Top lane quite frequently. Definitely try this out, AP Kennen is a lot of fun and a strong pick over all. Make sure to weave 1-2 tank items into your build, since you will be the one who hard engages team fights. Your build should look something like these; {{item:3047}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3742}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3089}} (These are just example builds, other items combinations are solid too, of course. If you're not playing Panth, Mercs or Sorcs are solid choices as well, and tank items are bult adaptively. If you really want to go balls deep, full AP is always a thing, but that really reduces your survivability after you first burst of abilities + Zhonya's in a teamfight) For Runes, I think Electrocute would be the best, Phase Rush would be solid too, but it might be overkill with your E, which doubles your base MS already. That's all, hope this helped, I really encourage you to try it out, it's a shitload of fun. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} (And yes, I HAD to add that very Pantheon sticker, just to trigger you <3)
Lovely pantheon sticker id sure did trigger me because ironicly, its called zombie slayer and thats exactly what he makes out of you after the laning phase a useless 0 dmg stun botting zombie. I like the kennen pick didnt think of that thnx ! what i did think of however is that theres nothing u can do if he's first pick. This can either go 3 ways, A you pick earlier then him and u pick your favorate champ and that champ gets stomped by him or b you trade with your mate and he picks riven instead or b he's the very last pick of the bunch and your left in a state of paralysis cause you cant make a desicion and then panik pick last second just to find out that champ gets horrible countered by phanteon to. I dont wanna play kennen everytime out of fear for the champ he needs to srsly get nerfed he had mana issues so they didnt bother to nerf him but look his mana sustain is all good now because of corruption posion. however when i see pantheon getting picked ill try to counter him with kennen. gameplay in top is so toxic really there are little to no champions left that are balanced. Cho gath, Aatrox, Ornn, Jayce, Nasus, Irelia, also before you say omg nasus broken it doesnt have to mean he's strong but if u got some brains left in your skull then u know why i put aartox there to. One of the balanced champions in top lane is Riven which is ironic since she's seen as one of the most frustration champs in the game. i literally played against pantheon every time i played ranked so i decided to play mid now. that champ really needs some clear early game weakness. forgot the mention in the new runes your allowed to get a magic dmg shield at low health so that helps :){{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} dis brand sticked exactly how u end up against these dumb overtunned early game champs.
Cornspies (EUW)
: At the beginning of Season 7 I started maining Riven. And in this time I learned much about League of Legends, I learned to play every matchup how I have to play it. And I never had a real problem with Pantheon. Yes maybe you die from his poke one or two times. But what can he do? Noone can towerdive a good Riven. SO you just farm till you are level 6, starting with e level 1 and leveling e first up. Easy win at level 6. Toxic Champ? Maybe, but not for you anymore. Why? Panth sucks in late, Riven is good in Late. SO you have to play FOR late. not for your early stats or your farm. You just have to wait. When Pantheon roams, ping your team full. Make them to understand that you win it, even you are 0/3. ANd you start pushing everytime, Pantheon is not there. Because I learned one. Panmtheon can't push, he cant clear a wave without loosing half of his mana. And what do you do? You let him loosing mana, in trades that you start with e and block 50% of his damage. Because Panth sucks at two points. You level 6 is better, and if he has got no more pots, he is dead. No mana means no damage. Same like Renekton. I struggled in this matchup, until I learned to wait. Wait for him using his W. Then you win trades easy. If you loose top, there are 3 things you can do: Pushing until nexus while your dumb team is fighting against a fed Pantheon, going full lethality, using shy or any other burst combo and blow their adc and midlaner away or going tank. And hey i prefer no. 1 and 2. Going tank is horrible on Riven, but someone you need it to do. And if you go tank NEVER buy Titanic. This item is useless on Riven. You normally buy this item bc of its active (Jax, Renek, Irelia), an autoattack reset. But Riven got this free with her Q. This item dont give you good enough stats. It hasn#t got a good gold efficienty on Riven. When I go tank, I just build Black cleaver into GA and then a Deaths Dance, after this full tank. Wow i got nopt much HP, but i have the longest sustain of everyone. Deaths Dance give you the AD, you need. Riven without AD is useless. ANd the heal doesnt need much more AD, it doesnt rely on other items. It scales well with tankyness, because you get healed by damage you dealt, and the longer you stay in fight, you deal more damage. BC is a core item and I build is quite everytime. 20% CDR and HP and Armor shred and a little amount of AD synergises perfectly with riven. There is a perfect Riven guide in internet who tells you what Riven needs. AD, then CDR, then ARmor shred and then lifesteal. With this build you got all, and tankiness too. YOu are the perfect offtank to stay next to your adc and kill everything that wants to jump on him. Hydra is also a good item, but I only build it when i go splitpushing. Waveclear is useful then. Otherwise It has no really function, in Teamfight it doesnt help you really, bc you are melee so you cant waveclear without the risc to die, and the little damage you deal with the aoe damage is useless, bc you kill your target in one second or you die in one second. Hope I help you a bit, I'm nopt a Riven Onetrick and also Plat 5, but from your scores I see what you could do better. Use this tips. This is what I know and with that I got from Gold to plat in nearly one month. You have a good winrate on Riven 56%, maybe you can do to 60%?. And dont look uo my Op.GG, I only tryhard in Ranked, so in normals i troll so my score isnt good and i lose games I should have won.
First thing first i NEVER look up someone's opgg everyone has a say in this and i respect what you say unless its clearly bs *cough first message cough* (which is ironic since i actually am coughing alot these days) but srsly every brainded phanteon knows this. Spamm q again and again and again and when someone engages us ur w do u think a plat pantheon uses his w to combo?? Literally never, they use it to stop an engage also as far as his mana problems go he can buy corruption which completly removes his mana problems or mana potions with the right runes...... Also we really dont play riven the same way BC DD GA full tank? i always go for dmg with hp if im going tank and trust me titanic does dmg. Also you need to know your role kill a champ in one champ or you die? its not always your job to kill their adc unless you can see it is. i never truggled against renekton his dmg is incredible but its not spammy get it? if he pushes i because of his lane dominance you can easliy combo him when he gets abt to your tower with pantheon he'll just spamm q and then when u engage he uses w hell even if manage to pull out a full combo he can easily q w aa because his passive blocks tower shots. trust me the better they get the worse it gets. theres no room for breathing its a constant one sided lane. Ill tell you if we play a game right now pantheon against riven ill make you incredibly useless all game there will be no fall of this or that ill leave with little no gold and lets see you carry the game then.
Get Juk3d (EUNE)
: tldr but i hate pant anyway
Storiaron (EUNE)
: Hi Pantheon is not as broken as you tried tell us here. Actually dealing with him is not even the top laners job. The first rule in every game that has a pantheon in it is to babysit him, whether you play with or against: just keep ganking. He's a snowball champion indeed, but that also means he get snowballed on pretty hard too. So ask your jungler to gank. gank. gank. Mostly this is the reason why Pantheon is hated so much: he makes you rely on your team, which is never good. If you happened to pick after he is taken you can counter it, there are plenty of options and they are all easy to pick up: 1,Heimerdinger: take the rune which gives you a free clockwork and you're free to go, you push him under his turret all-day which means you always get the better back timings and you even scale better into late game. Even if you mess something up, or get ganked, pantheon can't freeze on you due to your superior wave-clear. 2,Poppy:bit more on the conventional side, if you read your opponent well he can't stun you. With your ult you can occasionally brake his freeze. Poppy is a bit harder to execute, and a lot less fun, but as a tank you will always be more useful to your team, no mater how much cs you had to give up. Just don't feed. 3,Sion:tank, has dmg, even after some deaths you will have a chance to comeback due to your built in dmg, cc and extra tankiness. 4,Maokai:tank, has sustain, EXTREME gank setup oppurtunities, srsly just ask for camp and you won the game. Now some of my personal counter picks that i use sometimes: 5,Shen:can block autoattacks, has a shield to negate the poke every now and then, has good gank setup and can match pantheon's map pressure. If shen gets freezed on he can just roam around, since his kit has basically 0 scaling in it. Also his lvl3 power spike outbests pantheon's, the empowered Q-s hurt really really hard, while you take 0 dmg with a well timed E and a well timed W. 6,Warwick:he pokes you heal. Whenever he wants to all in you just press E and you id your job. After 6 he has 0 chance to win fights, you also have good gank setup and decent-ish escape oppurtunities. 7,Nunu:now i have no idea how Nunu works with the new rune pages, but he is pretty good into pantheon. Nunu has his own spammable poke(which also sets up for ganks really well)has incredible sustain, and better scaling. A really big downside tho is you can be freezed on, and you dont really have a way to break it, but if you dont mess up the early levels you should be able to prevent it. Fun interaction is to start channel your ult under pantheon's(not in the middle of it!)and sometimes you can bvulurg him with a fully channeled absolute zero. Instant kill. Now i could have writen about hwo to play vs pantheon, etc. But with so many guids and stuff out there i felt like sharing some counter picks rather. Most of them are super easy 5-10 games and you can bring them into ranked. Byeeeee
Its more about him being incredibly toxic rather then being broken, i mean vayne is incredibly broken when she's played. Which pantheon isn't there is not a single skill curve in his kit and he feels awefully broken. having to b 50 times is the worst feeling there is. Also junglers tend to avoid lanes that are lost.... unless your dou queueing. I know there are counter picks but i dont wanna play a counter champ every game out of fear to play against him. I mean riven has a shield she should be fine is what u think but he's q cooldowns is ridiculous 3 q's in the time of riven's e cooldown isnt that going a little to far? especially if he doesnt get any mana problems with it? Ive played against phanteon last season and it was just fine i usually won the lane but not it feels like i dont even get the chance even with a kill or 2 (w). I know what your getting at. Also i like the heimerdinger pick but its so disgusting i wont do it, it makes me no better then pantheon. I mean i dont care if pantheon spamms his q on me its rather that he leaves no oppenings. also i never see him first picked im always the one who picks before him and ive tried lots of things.....
: With each passing day, his gameplay is getting toxicer? 1) What is toxicer? 2) Each passing day? is Riot giving away separate patch just for him everyday? 3) if you even meant toxic, how is a champ considered toxic? like you can say, gay champ, broken, Noob champ, but toxic? >his q spamm which was fine since he had mana problems but thats gone now and it getting worse his mana problems are gone because he can just buy curroption posion or mana posion nowaday with new runes. You can also pick that rune, and pick poking champs Do you know how quinn is big of a poke in top lane against melee? >he still has his passive to block half of the dmg u dish out His passive blocks only 1 AA, or some spells, and he cannot get it again without spamming 4 spells, which he cannot do as if he get's his ult, that would take 3-4 secs something due to channel time? I see that you are plat 5, but then my question is, why make hexdrinker against Panth? I am already tilted for that item, with no AP champs in enemy team except for diana, whom you can just rekt ez, with ur 2 cc, lux's q and e, ww ult, and what not So... you also see that panth was just going lethality like he had dusk, edge, yoummu, where's ur Armor item? tabi is for laning and for against AA champs, you are complaining about his spells, so probaby GA was your 31 mins item, you had no Armor, what do you expect? and titanic hydra on Riven? Seriously? and you lost against Nasus who is late game champ, as Olaf, I mean do I need to judge your skills? and you do realize that when you make titanic on riven, you have more loss, or win with very bad KDA, so why do it? and you do know Pantheon counters riven and you do know you can have your picks after watching enemy team, if you are first pick you swap later by having other's first pick
I know your type trying to avoid a problem that's clearly there by dsying it isnt there and this and that and this and that its been said and done they also said just buy a maw and ull fine against rumble yet he got most of his spells nerfed. Oh phanteon is a big counter to riven ? thats just it hes a big counter to every carry type top laner if ur dont wanna be forced into playing singed all the time? swap with ur might? so they can take riven and your left to play against your favorite champ gl renekton counters riven jayce counters riven kennen counters riven and each have clear weakness's exept jayce hes abit overkill i know that when renekton doesnt have his w up theres nothing he can do when i trade with him kennen's w being down means tht he got no way to escape an all in u get what i mean? there is no room for fighing against phan even a champ like irelia that makes her stun her oppnent when losing a trade her biggest counter is pantheon there is no end to him he counters the biggest part of top lane. Its not about getting dmg ... its about how long it takes before u can get it. having 70 farm at 15 min and being a lvl behind good look with buying the items u need there no way for conpesation the amounts of gold and xp u lose against him. the champs toxic bcs his early game is super one sided and to make matter worse he can use his giganitc lead he got in lane with his ult not to mention he can setup ganks really well with w its a really awefull hamp even dsign wise 0 mechnix the only thing i see spartan about him is his ult the rest of his kit couldve been xin zhao's. why rework irelia first when hes in a dire need of rework play quinn top? she lost a bunch of as and if u go for prisnece u dont get preadator from domination also she's a big counter to meelee because her e lets her throw u back but that gets countered by phan w :/ lol whats wrong with titanic? when the enemy team has alot of waays to lock you up ofc you go titanic?? i swear when pro players do it its genius when a p5 does it its weird. yes i do have more loses but u need to have a role in ur team u wanna tank whilst doinng dmg titanic u wanna carry full dmg but that wasnt an option becausee phanteon threw me behind and ww then threw alot of fights by trolling. peeler but my adc did hardly any dmg the only dmg we got was from ez and me. clearly u didnt understand what happened in that match We all losed lane everyone we were so behind i decided to go bruiser and tank for my team whilst ez and sivir diched out dmg also because ww was trolling. which brings me back to my story the lane was totally one sided if he had some weakness's i could use so i could get ahead and carry my team then maybe we coudve won but there werent any thats the problem and yes i did lose against nasus but A i got heavily camped and b he had haste. also i just bought olaf with blue essence and hes fun so! again ofc GA was late bcs i had NO GOLD INCOME holy crap how hard it be to understand what im tryiing to say. also when u werent in my matches u dont know what happened to pls dont talk about it. also read his passive tooltip.... 4 basic attack or spells so if he AA Q AA W he;d have his passive back up do u know how izi it is for him to get that back up?
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Shiwah (EUW)
: > Thing is i played random mid mages these couple a days to make sure i'd only get mage skins Where is it stated that you would get skins for the last played champions? O.o
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTFIqRYb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-19T11:37:36.781+0000) > > Where is it stated that you would get skins for the last played champions? O.o I thought it said skins of champs you'll like and since i barely play adc why would it give me 3 skins of them and tbh i play syndra almost every single game last time my shop came i barely played syndra and still got the skin, so it's weird that now that i play her almost always i dont get it right?
: steel legion lux , zombie slayer jinx which is a pretty sick skin , arcade mf u still complaining about it ? who are u dude ? a 10 y/o kid who is looking for dj sona and elementalist lux on this event ?
> [{quoted}](name=Łąst ßreąth,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTFIqRYb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-19T11:26:14.731+0000) > > steel legion lux , zombie slayer jinx which is a pretty sick skin , arcade mf > u still complaining about it ? who are u dude ? a 10 y/o kid who is looking for dj sona and elementalist lux on this event ? elementalist lux would be nice but no i already have mf and jinx skin so i have no need for those i just want the syndra one :/
: I know people are allowed to express their opinions on this shop thing. But ffs stop complaining about it already..... The board will spammed with this BS.
> [{quoted}](name=UzamakiiNaruto,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=WTFIqRYb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-19T11:21:05.201+0000) > > I know people are allowed to express their opinions on this shop thing. > > But ffs stop complaining about it already..... > The board will spammed with this BS. i thought this board was filled with endless loading loop complaints not this....
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Antenora (EUW)
: Network Operations – 8 minutes ago Your Shop Issues - We are aware of issues with “Your Shop” not showing the correct personalized offers. We are deactivating the feature until we can fix the issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hed2a1XA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-18T20:11:35.409+0000) > > Network Operations – 8 minutes ago > Your Shop Issues - We are aware of issues with “Your Shop” not showing the correct personalized offers. We are deactivating the feature until we can fix the issue. AJAJAJA ty
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ZoverX (EUW)
: The ~~Pink~~ Control ward reveals camouflaged champs such as rengar r, but does not give vision of invisible such as Akali in w. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Stealth#Camouflage use this link to see what can be seen and what cannot
> [{quoted}](name=ZoverX,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=1IcFnftk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-25T20:07:35.038+0000) > > The ~~Pink~~ Control ward reveals camouflaged champs such as rengar r, but does not give vision of invisible such as Akali in w. > http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Stealth#Camouflage > use this link to see what can be seen and what cannot ayy ty
SUΡΡORT (EUW)
: Good evening, ssamiaa! Yes, the new Control Wards reveal champions that are stealth and other wards! I hope that I could help you, SUPPORT {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=SUΡΡORT,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=1IcFnftk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-25T19:29:29.336+0000) > > Good evening, ssamiaa! > > Yes, the new Control Wards reveal champions that are stealth and other wards! > > > I hope that I could help you, > > SUPPORT > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} Ooh ty i heard they dont reveal some kind of stealth or camouflage idk what its called But you did help me ty!
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: Well done :D
> [{quoted}](name=James Windsor,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=c295yNL8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-25T16:00:29.142+0000) > > Well done :D Ikr ty
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Q Ren (EUW)
: Why can't dinosaurs clap? Because they're dead.
> [{quoted}](name=Q Ren,realm=EUW,application-id=yTagKVTg,discussion-id=ol8TYfwR,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-04-19T13:44:54.822+0000) > > Why can&#x27;t dinosaurs clap? Because they&#x27;re dead. OMG I laughed so hard bcs of this one. Your sense of humor is so good.
Miramis (EUW)
: What animal would be a cool new champion?
Hey. I joined this conversation abit late but i hope my comment is still usefull to you or anyone else for that matter. What about a lion or rather a chimera. You know the half human half lion thing.
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: ELEMENTALIST LUX the new Login Theme
When will the skin be available?
: Prepping for Halloween I made this.
isnt that ziggs? and nice design :P
: first looks
hard to read? it is if your as blind as a bat
: > [{quoted}](name=ssamiaa,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=W9H1FfU9,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-10-14T20:10:22.218+0000) > > Uhm my week, i woke up to find a letter in which it said that my dad has cancer metastasis and has less then 3 months to live. Got to be the best one yet.... > > Positive? uhm i got an A- for math Im so sorry to hear. There is nothing I can say to make it better just to remember the good times you two have had together and that were all hoping for the best for you both.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Cosantoir,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=W9H1FfU9,comment-id=00100001,timestamp=2016-10-14T20:38:56. 007+0000) > > Im so sorry to hear. There is nothing I can say to make it better just to remember the good times you two have had together and that were all hoping for the best for you both. You forgot something... what about my A-?
: Wish you and your father the best for those three months. Hope you can still have some fun together!
> [{quoted}](name=sander599,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=W9H1FfU9,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2016-10-14T20:15:27.685+0000) > > Wish you and your father the best for those three months. Hope you can have some fun together! He has less then 3 month's to live meaning he could die tom and another thing is he can barely stand up right..... Ty tho i appreciate it <3
: How was your week?
Uhm my week, i woke up to find a letter in which it said that my dad has cancer metastasis and has less then 3 months to live. Got to be the best one yet.... Positive? uhm i got an A- for math
House x33 (EUW)
: I don't
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=l8lp9843,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-09T16:23:25.088+0000) > > I don&#x27;t legit
Xahutek (EUW)
: theres something like a final boss brand teaser at the toplane of the arcarde map.
> [{quoted}](name=Xahutek,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=l8lp9843,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-09T16:56:11.334+0000) > > theres something like a final boss brand teaser at the toplane of the arcarde map. the fuck?
: We already have 1 ½ Final boss skins.
> [{quoted}](name=CookieMonster275,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=l8lp9843,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-09T16:24:58.640+0000) > > We already have 1 ½ Final boss skins. no we need 3 bbosses thats best
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: Well the leak that had the SG skins and the ivern launch skin also had mention of an ultimate skin... elementalist lux. Even if it's not correct riot have mentioned an ultimate skin coming in the near future.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=etKhtgbq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-08T16:38:45.784+0000) > > Well the leak that had the SG skins and the ivern launch skin also had mention of an ultimate skin... elementalist lux. > > Even if it&#x27;s not correct riot have mentioned an ultimate skin coming in the near future. I don't know tho i hearrd about it to but i think its fake
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