: Yes , Ranked is about skill , I can judge whoever I want based on my views , I can rely on using ranks/winrate & games played/CS per min to judge how well player plays the game.
Ranked is about a lot of things... not just skill... your rank is the culmination of a ton of different variables... just focussing on skill discredits those who are skilful but low elo due to time constraints. Another proof, faker who is considered the best player in the world, frequently only gets to diamond or master in ranked, because he can’t play solo Q often enough to actually climb... he’s still the best but not challenger
: Unhealthy, stat checky? Say why you think he is stat unhealthy? Why he is a stat checky? How can he be a stat chechy when i didnt make the numbers????
Don’t need numbers that’s not where stat checking comes from He’s an auto attacker with a built in heal and no variation, combos, or skill required... that’s the same with both old aatrox and your idea... this means that he will just chuck himself into an opponent and either kill them or be killed depending entirely on who’s got more stats. That’s an unhealthy champion design and the reason for this rework to begin with.
: i dont know why u comment on this , ur not even Diamond u dont know the struggles of ranked this season.
Don’t have to be diamond... all of you have completely ignored what riot have actually done and expected a miraculous fix... doesn’t work like that. After a reset MMR needs time to recalibrate, so lp gains will be off... I don’t have to even play league to know and understand this let alone be diamond
Xàyáh (EUNE)
: WTF did they do to my boy ivern
Honestly most skins would look weird on him... his shilloette (the thing that has to stay the same across all skins) has super weird proportions especially with the animations and spindally limbs... honestly all of the skins you suggested would look just as strange when you put it on his rig. And while he is sweet in his base skin not every skin should be sweet... the idea of skins is to explore other themes, what’s the point of keeping with his usual themes when you can explore other themes with his skin. Plus his other skin ain’t all that ‘sweet’ either (pun intended), he freaking eats people.
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5WQ0bTqX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-21T01:28:23.738+0000) > > Win rate gets affected by difficulty, difficult champions have a naturally low win rate. So just because LeBlanc has a low win rate does not mean she is weak or that those with a higher win rate are stronger. Her winrate is 47% in diamond+. Balancing the game purely for LCS rather than the rest of the 99.99999% of the player base
But just because they are diamond+ doesn’t mean they are experienced... I’m talking about people who are inexperienced on LeBlanc not the game in general. There are a lot of players who will just play what is considered strong, this means they will play whatever the meta dictates without consideration of whether they are any good at that champion or not, that includes players in diamond+. So what I said about win rate being affected by difficulty is still very much a thing in high elo She’s also one of the most popular mid laners with a very high pick rate (3rd highest in the mid lane) which means that this effect gets inflated even more as more inexperienced players try to get their ‘freelo’ and loose. After playing 50 games on LeBlanc her win rate shoots up to 55%... so LeBlanc players know what they are doing are strong, a champion shouldn’t be balanced around bad players.
: Game's main purpose is to win , person from Iron will have less chance to do that than Challenger one , I Agree, you aren't less worth as a human , but you're less worth as an ally , you lack some skills that might be usefull in this game , at least that's what SoloQ and less Flex Q is about , win > climb > get to highest rank as your skill can allow.(If you don't like this idea then you can just idk not play SoloQ or FlexQ)
But rank can be deceiving For example I spent S5-7 unranked playing no ranked, having only played my placement games in S4 and getting to silver 4... to most I’m quite a useless teammate. Last year I decided to play till I got to gold 5 then stop and I did so having gotten a 66% win rate and a 70% win rate on my main, with only playing 59 games. I still look like I am a bad player, I’m only gold barely above average if that... but if I actually played as much as other players I could likely get plat maybe even diamond if I’m lucky. Ranked isn’t just about skill, it’s also dedication and how much free time you have, you can’t judge people based on skill. You also can’t rely on using ranked to judge players, if you are against someone a lower rank than you they are still a threat and should be treated as a good player until proven otherwise... that way you don’t underestimate them and get beaten. Relying on rank, or even looking at ranks is a great way of making yourself loose or loosing out on valuable insight, you might as well treat everyone equally
: priest is literaly a healer/enchanter type character .. with close to no actual combat abbility usualy used to purify, heal or buff other classes .. archer is a high dps longrange attack unit .. not all but many things are possible in code however that doesnt mean they should be done .. dps and support(as in heal/enchant) was/is seperated for a good reason .. and should stay that way too
I mean I guess it depends... the priest class in DnD (Clarice but close enough) for example tend to be supportive tanks that can specialise into almost anything... but generally they are supportive spell casters so it doesn’t make sense for them to be varus. And archer is usually a slower attacker, but instead are long range, silent and deal large amounts of damage and recoverable ammo... so honestly only lethality varus really work as an actual archer. Sorry that was a tangent, it’s just kinda an intresting thing seeing how others view character archetypes and you can tell what games people are from based on how they interpret said archetypes You are right though combining the two can get really janky especially in a game like this, long range champions need the weakness that they die when you get on them, when they’ve got built in enchanter tools they don’t die.
ApexViper (EUW)
: Varus Rework.
Varus is a long range adc, when it comes to adcs mobility and range generally have a inverse relationship... the more mobility you have the shorter range you become and visa versa... with only one exception. At 575 attack range varus is the third highest natural attack range, only beaten by Ashe and Caitlin... even with range modifiers counted in he’s the 6th highest. If you notice he’s actually around joint second safest of those 6, only beaten by trist (the aforementioned exception due to her niche) and matched by Ashe thanks to his ult which is one of only 2 reliable hard cc abilities in the class. More so he is a hybrid champion, being also an artillery mage as well, this means that his range is further augmented by his Q which allows for very long range poke, unique in the adc class. Artillerally mages are almost all immobile (only two exceptions, the hybrid/shifter jayce who can only go in with his mobility and only in his fighter form, and ziggs who gives up cc in order to use mobility)... instead artillery mages tend to have a form of hard cc to keep themselves safe which is what varus does. So tldr varus being mobile goes against him being both a long range adc and an artillery mage, and his ult allows more safety than most others in his range class he doesn’t need more. Legitimately in order to give him mobility you’d have to severely cut his range as well as remove him as an artillery mage, aka completely remove both Q and R. At which point he ain’t varus anymore. If you want a mobile archer your gonna need to wait for a new champion, varus doesn’t suit this.
: How Aatrox rework should look like:
Firstly you messed the ult up. > During this time, The Darkin Blade resets the cooldown of blades of torment. Darkin blade is his current Q, you don’t have that in your kit. Secondly you’ve got the same problems old aatrox had so this would be a waste of resources to do. He’s still stat checky, still got an unhealthy relationship with stats, still would be near impossible to properly balance... it’s better than old aatrox but still not good enough. That’s why blood price/thirst got removed, there’s just no real way to make that ability healthy and satisfying.
: I´ve played alot of online games man, THis is by far the most horrible matchmaking System. Even Halo Reach a 2010 game had better matchmaking System than this. It´s like i said I could win my lane get objectives done and it wont be enough. It´s like somebody said in a Video I watched. The Moment somebody gets caught, or Feeds it´s gg. You say if if theres one bad Player in my Team then there is also a bad Player i nthe enemy Team.....I´m just not seeing it sry BECAUSE. If there was a bad Player in the enemy Team. All he Needs to do is Play around his Team and it´ll make it look like he is a good Player, it´s so easy to do it too.....it´s unrewarding.
Trust me I’ve seen a lot worse... it’s just more noticeable here because it’s a proper team game, you rely on others. Like I said there’s nothing that can be done, honestly this match making is one of the better ones and is basically an industry standard these days (if I’m not mistaken League was one of the first games using MMR). But balancing teams is impossible and that results in this... it looks worse here because you rely on teammates here (as it should be), but it’s the same or worse everywhere... At this point you’ve gotta put up with it or play a game that doesn’t require teamwork.
Devrost (EUW)
: I saw ppl with 70% winrate in diamond..yet they take less lp then win.How is that mmr??
Like I said everyone’s MMR got reset, so some people’s mmr will be lower than usual and therefore there will be some unusual lp gains... it will only take a few days of playing (the regular amount) for MMR to correct itself.
: IT IS RIOTS FAULT
It really isn’t... just repeating that is not proof. If you’ve got an actual argument then say so if not then don’t waste your time
Composure (EUNE)
: she's not that short ranged lol. Like ivern is short ranged or urgot. every adc is squishy every adc needs strong defensive tool in order to survive... every adc can die instantly without protection. so what are u on about lol? She has true damage which means just by being agresive she can't deffend herself from tanks. Her invisibility is even more broken in comparison with kha'zix. if kha wants to be invisible he needs to ult 2 times and evolve his ult for the third time meawhile vayne just presses her q lol. As I said if u dont understand how the game should function don't speak.
> she's not that short ranged lol. Like ivern is short ranged or urgot. She is for a hyper carry. Almost all hyper carries have a way of increasing their range, that way in a proper late game teamfight they get an advantage on positioning, they can stand further away from danger and therefore can’t get killed. Vayne has the second shortest attack range of all hyper carries late game (the next lowest after vayne is trist at 661, a full 111 units longer range). Only hypercarry with less range is kaisa who also get invisibility. The difference is that vayne has to be in ranged of most champions in order to deal damage, whereas other adcs can outrange most champions and therefore don’t have to worry about damage. > every adc is squishy > every adc needs strong defensive tool in order to survive... > every adc can die instantly without protection. Yes every adc does need some kind of defensive tool, especially the ones without long attack ranges. Her invisibility is her defensive tool... so you just proved my point here. > She has true damage which means just by being agresive she can't deffend herself from tanks. She doesn’t need to she easily out damages tanks, and fighters she can kite really easily. It’s other adcs, assasins and burst mages she can’t deal with, and her true damage does nothing against them (low resistance targets means that true damage doesn’t increase her damage by much) > Her invisibility is even more broken in comparison with kha'zix. if kha wants to be invisible he needs to ult 2 times and evolve his ult for the third time meawhile vayne just presses her q lol. She’s gotta press R as well. And to get multiple uses of her Q off she needs to be in attack range, meaning she’s a lot riskier. You are also comparing an assasin to an adc... one has to stay in the fight for a while dealing constant damage (adc), the other needs to get in deal damage then get back out... their ults are used very differently, vayne needs to use it more often because she needs to be in the fight for longer > As I said if u dont understand how the game should function don't speak. Maybe you should take your own advise then
Aargus (EUNE)
: how do u know they are testing him?
It litterally got put on the pbe immediately before I put that comment. Namely damage of Q up, cooldown set at 7 at all ranks, and his ult has been changed to remove the revive and instead make it so that his Q has no cooldown. It’s all early testing and isn’t set for next patch but it shows riot is looking into doing something more major with him than urgot hence the longer delay.
Composure (EUNE)
: What's the reason for Vayne to have invisibility????
She’s short ranged and very squishy... she needs a strong defensive tool in order to survive late game fights where she is meant to be strong. That’s what the invis is, to prevent her from dying instantly as soon as she gets into auto attack range
: "It’s fixing MMR, if you still don’t get much lp that means your MMR is still too low. That ain’t riot’s fault, it’s how the system is meant to work" thats nice that you completely changed what you just said on your first comment.
It isn’t riots fault... it’s a reset what do you think that means. The system is designed to stabilise your MMR over a long period so that you get where you need to be... with the reset you need to work to get your MMR back where it needs to. So if you are gaining less lp than you loose that’s because your MMR is too low, and as you play that will change. I haven’t changed anything, just elaborated on a point,
: Cute imagination you got there, nope you are wrong, and this game there is no pro players, at least not anymore, the only skill left in this game is just dodging skills other things there isnt, better champs win, who paid more has more elo, who picked the meta has more chance to win, who is more lucky got better team, where is the skills with that? if that is skills for you, then believe me i am way a head from this world with skills. Because i tried people's way in the game and saw the truth behind every champ and who is really improving your skills and which doesnt improve any thing at all. And between champs that doesnt improve you(Yasuo,Vayne,Yi,Udyr,Jarvan,Nasus...etc...) The only champs that really improve your skills:(Kayn,Twisted Fate,Aurelion sol,Gankplank, Kindered, Jhin,Ekko,shen,Kalista,Azir(Early game only, late ez af),Ivern.) This is the only champions that are balanced and some are weak af ex:AS,TF,GP. Aurelion sol 20/0 can get solo killed by Darius 0/20, because the game is balanced ofc. Gank plank get fed only when the game is over. Some of you will say Kayn?? oh because you are main kayn? , nope because literally until now, i didnt see anyone know how to transform right and how to buy items correctly for kayn with that being said, for me he is ez, but i saw that its impossible for other players,(Not all). Like building rhaast as tank, those people are so funny. Also Kayn is the weakest jungler in the game in early game, you easily invade and solo kill him when ever you see him. With that being said, i dont know what will make you think that the game is balanced, if there is only few champs are balanced. Like even the reality showing you that the most epic picks are: Aurelion sol, Ivern. But make them as strong as Riven for example,( Perma banned). Because the game is balanced. OH PLEASE PEOPLE.
Ok get to challenger... if you think you are so good it must be easy for you. You are gold, you’ve got a negative win rate, your currently on tilt... this isn’t down to luck that’s down to you being ignorant... you think everything must be everyone else’s fault. The game requires a lot of skill, not just in champions but in the game itself, if you pit a good player vs a bad player the good player will win every time no matter what no matter how lucky the bad player is... it’s as simple as that. So instead of blaming everyone else look at what you do, who knows you might actually climb that way.
: if you dont know dont talk. riot nerfed the mmr really badly to take people that do not need to be there faster. and it isnt fixed,
Because they’ve done a reset, so everyone’s MMR has been changed and it will take a few days for the MMR to settle where it should be... so people will get weird lp gains while the MMR settles So I do know, you’ve just completely ignored the change riot just implemented
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Silence is such an anti-fun form of crowd control it makes me mad
> It's anti what the game is about, which is skirmishing and fighting, while silence literally renders your champion useless and prevents you from doing just that. Can’t you say that about every for, of cc. Why should it be removed when your problem is with cc in general
: actually it is. a lot of people have the same problem youtubers 2.
Doesn’t mean that it is a problem... remember the reason for the reset was because MMR was messed up, placements put the MMR too high placing people where they don’t belong then they overcompensated and made MMR too low. So even with the soft reset people aren’t gonna be where they are supposed to and MMR needs some time to properly calibrate... hence these lp gains. It’s not unusual or bad... especially considering during the actual issue you’d loose 20 and gain 9... 20 and 15 is just normal MMR
: WTF Riot
It’s fixing MMR, if you still don’t get much lp that means your MMR is still too low. That ain’t riot’s fault, it’s how the system is meant to work
: w/e im not gonna argue with a tryhard rank palyer only like you who didnt even understand anything from what i said
I understood everything you said, it’s just mostly wrong.
Aargus (EUNE)
: Poor Aatrox
They are testing very large changes to him at the moment, just because he didn’t get one now doesn’t mean he won’t... why would riot delay buffing urgot when they know what to do while they where still testing for aatrox
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ly4gImcE,comment-id=000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T21:54:40.907+0000) > > Ez got several nerfs between when he was strong and now, it’s just that this one was the first major one. > It’s best to start small in case a small adjustment is enough, then get larger What nerfs? He wasn't touch other than the Tear thing or am I missing something? :O
My mistake they had a few on the pbe but they must have not gone through with them...
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ly4gImcE,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-21T20:08:08.142+0000) > > Firstly vayne is being picked in pro play and is dominating. > Yasuo also had a high pick priority recently > > Secondly they also pick shen but that doesn’t mean he’s op. > > Some champions are designed for solo Q, some for pro play... yi is one that’s built for solo Q, so he should be balanced around us rather than them. Yasuo had a high priority until his nerfs and the conqueror changes. Now he's super situational. Vayne, however, is really strong and actually blindpickable so I'd assume they're will be nerfs incoming. Unless, of course, they wait about 6 patches as they did with Ezreal who finally got hit in 9.6.
Ez got several nerfs between when he was strong and now, it’s just that this one was the first major one. It’s best to start small in case a small adjustment is enough, then get larger
Tarolock (EUNE)
: thats the point, if pros are not playing it that means they are not as op, so why would they change them? because low elo ppl cant play against them? thats not a valid reason imo
Firstly vayne is being picked in pro play and is dominating. Yasuo also had a high pick priority recently Secondly they also pick shen but that doesn’t mean he’s op. Some champions are designed for solo Q, some for pro play... yi is one that’s built for solo Q, so he should be balanced around us rather than them.
: I tried to be neutral as much as I could without going to completely trash you! I tried! I even gave IMHO! I even wanted it to end on neutral tone! But if you arent just oblivious as %%%%k! Oke then :D > We are talking about VC, that obviously implies multiplayer... it’s not a matter of perspective it’s just you trying your hardest to be difficult. You never specified and you made a claim! You said this: > Console gaming... it’s even gotten a bad reputation, worse than league’s, purely because of voice chat. After seeing how poorly it’s used in other games how can you say it’s a good idea to add it here. Now you summed up WHOLE CONSOLE GAMING getting bad rep PURELY BEACUSE OF VC! Read your comments!!! I am sickk and tired of this -.- > Because it’s not as clear as you think. > We get this kind of thread a lot, this is the first time I’ve ever seen it actually go positive, usually it’s downvoted a lot. Even then 6 downvotes is a sizeable amount. Plus there’s been a trend recently of threads and comments getting abnormally large amounts of votes rather quickly... I’m not accusing anyone here but there is at least a few people using bots to influence votes (wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened on the boards) so honestly I’m not even convinced that this is an accurate representation of the boards opinion especially as it’s shifted so heavily so quickly... > But that means that out of the 2% (ish) of the community that is vocal (so us) voice chat is met with disapproval or mixed opinions. It’s not that it’s pissing off players, cause there’s a decently large group that don’t want it... that’s likely why riot don’t add it, because the vocal community overwhelmingly is against. If it gets downvoted months ago its not bots but if its upvoted now its bots? I am guessing you are also getting your comments downvoted ( btw its not me :P )? If its a trend then it means SOMETHING CHANGED!!! One political view getting popular and winning elections doesnt mean there were hundred millions of false votes!!! Maybe players are finally getting to this topic? And I bet my ass, you have another evidence to support your claim of bots voting something? ( ESPECIALLY SINCE VOTING SOMETHING ON BOARDS DOESNT MEAN A SHIIT BESIDE EVERYONE READING IT!!!!!!!!!! ) From 2% of negative or mixed review of VC you jumped to LARGE MAJORITY! Where? I said Rito needs to do survey and ask MAJORITY! But it seems you just cant see larger picture!!! -.- > But that’s all about perspective. > When enough people have the same experience it has a higher value, it might not be fact but it’s close enough. Consoles are the group that use voice chat the most and almost if not every console player who plays online games doesn’t like voice chat... we’ve experienced the worst of it. Then doesnt it mean that POST BOUT VC GETTING UPVOTES MEANS THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE OF VC?????????? You are pissing me off slowly...... Read your comments please!!! Before you decide to make claims! Its not a MOTHER%%%%ING FACT! ITS OPINION OF GROUP!!! Fact is that Morgana stuns with her Q! If community decides that Morgana is not stunning with Q but rather slowing you does that change mechanic of Morganas q? NO!! SHE WILL STILL STUN WITH HER Q!!! Learn what facts are!!! > Experience might not be fact but that doesn’t mean you should ignore it... when there’s a massive community of gamers having to put up with voice chat and generally despise it then game developers have to look at what is wrong with that group and determine whether the problems will emerge in their game... which they generally do. Now, lookie here! This is last time I will say this! What people? I have 9 years old account and have played almost every moba from beta! My experience says this: I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VC! Your experience says otherwise! People on this board have mixed experience! Its not about VC BUT ABOUT CHOICE TO USE IT OR NOT! Again, I have never seen this community of gamers ever! I never actually ever felt that in any community gamers were against VC! Against crybabies, snowflakes and kids using it? Yep! Against PROPER usage of VC? Nope! > Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it... especially people who think that they are above it for whatever reason (all the people saying consoles don’t count as pc gamers are superior, which yall arent). History eh? History student here.... So I am going to %%%%k you hard on this!!! First of all ignoring history doesnt mean we are doomed to repeat it! Was there any TYPE OF MASS PROTEST AGAINST USING VC THAT CONSOLES OR OTHER GAMING COMPANIES DECIDED TO REMOVE IT? WERE THERE ANY LAWSUITS THAT FORCED GAMING COMPANIES TO REMOVE VC??? WHAT HISTORY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?? YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO DOESNT ACCOUNT TO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! And especially CANNOT be used as HISTORICAL EVENT!!! I never said it! Nice you mentioned soemthing completely irrevelant! > But it still ruins games, it still degrades experience... it’s still breaking the rules. If you’ve agreed to not act in a certain way then act in that way then you get punished, that’s not just league that’s how society works. Giving them an avenue where reports are a lot less effective and suddenly you’ve got toxicity running riot, exactly what happened to Xbox live. Then stop playing any type of online games and play singleplayer games only! I really dont give af if you someone hurts your feeling over VC! I have been called worse on VC and chat and I dont see any difference between chat and VC! Again, nice claim you give out there! Completely without evidence!!! What rules does it break? Nice using society in general sense: completely wrong tho :P American society: Freedom of speech ( even if you insult someone ), Croatian society: You get lawsuit for cursing someones mother. What society are we talking about? :D Your claim about VC having avenue is completely trash! I avoid system by typing Pan troglodytes to players! And? > And it’s not just toxicity being unpunished, what about the opposite. > Voice recognition is put in the game to combat toxicity. You use voice chat and the voice recognition picks up on toxicity which you didn’t do because it misunderstood you... suddenly you are getting punished for something you didn’t do. Wouldn’t be fun would it. Can’t trust voice recognition. How can it pick toxicity I didnt? It cant punihs me for not saying "%%%%K YOU!!" bcs I never said it! It can punish me if it detects LOUD SOUND all the game which it would connect to logical statement that player had open VC whole time with LOUND SOUND whole game!!! Give me examples of your mistakes!!! Better yet, dont -.- As this conversation has been going, you will ONCE AGAIN say WE EXPERIENCED, ITS A FACT, ITS.... -.- Dont. just dont! > Balancing will never be solved... that’s just league being a moba they’ve all got the same issue. There’s too many variables, no two champions can ever be completly on the same level. Riot do the best they can but it’s a problem with no end or solution... best not to waste too many resources into it. > They don't! PERIOD! They have a problems but RITO HAS A MOTHERLOAD OF TRUCKS COMMING TO THEM WITH PROBLEMS! If Smite compiled and printed list of their problems over years and printed it out, it would fill out an office! If Rito did that, it would need one three buildings to fill out! Thats joke, btw! What i just said above was joke! Did dota2 have problems with capsules going 1 be ( something similar ofc -.- )? Smite? HoN? HotS? Hmmm, deffending Riot when I tried to be positive and tried to get to an agreement with you but you JUST CANT let a statement where you are not putting yourself above others! > I’m pretty sure they did that cause a lot of the voice chat systems (not discord but others) tend to sync with league and give infomation or benefits.. whivh is against the rules. So it’s just something people can have for free without getting sucked into the systems that can get them banned. So lets, give players reason to voice their dissatisfaction with our feature and continue using discord? Your statement ahhhh -.- Using discord gets them banned? Using discord while playing LoL gets them banned or CAN GET THEM BANNED! You were on boards and heard a rumour about players getting banned for discord! Simple search on google! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/5kx4F7VE-reminder-third-party-applications > But that’s just voice chat in general... people tend to use stuff like discord even in games with full voice chat systems... it’s just convient and useful... even if league added it’s own full voice chats people would still use discord. You dont have any proof of that and again nice statement!!! Your arguments are just plain and simply counter effeective! If you say there is 2% of ppl on boards with mixed or negative response to VC then how can you in next statement express that their experience matters if there is enough of them ( I do hope you are not using boards as a proof of that! ) ! Using bots for upvoting something you dissagree with is childish! I could say same for post being downvoted regarding VC in earlier posts! Dont use history and society as examples! You dont have even an inkling how they operate and how to use any example in your arguments! Just society as general term is too much for you! History is used in regards to context of events and groups! Answer questions about lawsuits and mass protest I said and then try again! Its hard arguing with you and this is last time I will do this! STOP BEING ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!!!
Here’s one of the examples for bots https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/uliBqZ1d-so-when-are-tank-stats-actually-getting-buffed A tank thread (generally hated) 21 upvotes (extremly uncommon for any kind of balance thread) And look at the top descussion, yes that’s me and there’s no way they are getting that many upvotes and downvotes. They also don’t go down to the bottom of the descussion showing someone did this manually. This has been happening a lot recently, that’s why when posts are getting more popular than usual this quickly I tend to suspect bots at this point... especially if there’s a lot of downvotes as people tend to try and counter up votes done by bots. This isn’t the first time, it tends to have periods of this happening then periods of it being clear, they’ll get bored eventually.
: well wow, that does sum up Pretty well, guess I take the blame on that one. Since thats covered what About then the MMR Team balance if you could explain. I remember majority of my games I dont feed provide vison trying to get objectives. But I just cant win. When for example my bot lane sgive 3 kills in the first 5min.....How can i then get 3 kills alone in 5 min. I have had SO many 1-sided battles it´s just not funny anymore. I´m not saying i´m perfect even I had games where I fck up.
Honestly hadn’t even read the rest of it I was just here for that tank descussion Generally matchmaking is a flawed idea in general. No two people are the same nobody has the same skill level... even in a 1v1 the chances of being matched with someone who is exactly the same skill as you is astronomical at best... that’s just 1 person, the chances of 9 are nonexistent. That’s just taking into account skill, human error, luck, tilt are all things which affect performance that you can’t account for, even if two players are exactly equal one might appear infinitely better due to a plethora of reasons a computer can’t detect It’s the case with every game out there, matchmaking just isn’t good enough and prob never will be. As online gamers that’s something we’ve just gotta put up with. And remember, there’s 5 randoms on the enemy team but only 4 on yours... statistically if there was a bad player in the game it’s more likely to be in the enemy team than in your team, assuming that the bad player isn’t you.
: I tried to be neutral as much as I could without going to completely trash you! I tried! I even gave IMHO! I even wanted it to end on neutral tone! But if you arent just oblivious as %%%%k! Oke then :D > We are talking about VC, that obviously implies multiplayer... it’s not a matter of perspective it’s just you trying your hardest to be difficult. You never specified and you made a claim! You said this: > Console gaming... it’s even gotten a bad reputation, worse than league’s, purely because of voice chat. After seeing how poorly it’s used in other games how can you say it’s a good idea to add it here. Now you summed up WHOLE CONSOLE GAMING getting bad rep PURELY BEACUSE OF VC! Read your comments!!! I am sickk and tired of this -.- > Because it’s not as clear as you think. > We get this kind of thread a lot, this is the first time I’ve ever seen it actually go positive, usually it’s downvoted a lot. Even then 6 downvotes is a sizeable amount. Plus there’s been a trend recently of threads and comments getting abnormally large amounts of votes rather quickly... I’m not accusing anyone here but there is at least a few people using bots to influence votes (wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened on the boards) so honestly I’m not even convinced that this is an accurate representation of the boards opinion especially as it’s shifted so heavily so quickly... > But that means that out of the 2% (ish) of the community that is vocal (so us) voice chat is met with disapproval or mixed opinions. It’s not that it’s pissing off players, cause there’s a decently large group that don’t want it... that’s likely why riot don’t add it, because the vocal community overwhelmingly is against. If it gets downvoted months ago its not bots but if its upvoted now its bots? I am guessing you are also getting your comments downvoted ( btw its not me :P )? If its a trend then it means SOMETHING CHANGED!!! One political view getting popular and winning elections doesnt mean there were hundred millions of false votes!!! Maybe players are finally getting to this topic? And I bet my ass, you have another evidence to support your claim of bots voting something? ( ESPECIALLY SINCE VOTING SOMETHING ON BOARDS DOESNT MEAN A SHIIT BESIDE EVERYONE READING IT!!!!!!!!!! ) From 2% of negative or mixed review of VC you jumped to LARGE MAJORITY! Where? I said Rito needs to do survey and ask MAJORITY! But it seems you just cant see larger picture!!! -.- > But that’s all about perspective. > When enough people have the same experience it has a higher value, it might not be fact but it’s close enough. Consoles are the group that use voice chat the most and almost if not every console player who plays online games doesn’t like voice chat... we’ve experienced the worst of it. Then doesnt it mean that POST BOUT VC GETTING UPVOTES MEANS THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE OF VC?????????? You are pissing me off slowly...... Read your comments please!!! Before you decide to make claims! Its not a MOTHER%%%%ING FACT! ITS OPINION OF GROUP!!! Fact is that Morgana stuns with her Q! If community decides that Morgana is not stunning with Q but rather slowing you does that change mechanic of Morganas q? NO!! SHE WILL STILL STUN WITH HER Q!!! Learn what facts are!!! > Experience might not be fact but that doesn’t mean you should ignore it... when there’s a massive community of gamers having to put up with voice chat and generally despise it then game developers have to look at what is wrong with that group and determine whether the problems will emerge in their game... which they generally do. Now, lookie here! This is last time I will say this! What people? I have 9 years old account and have played almost every moba from beta! My experience says this: I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VC! Your experience says otherwise! People on this board have mixed experience! Its not about VC BUT ABOUT CHOICE TO USE IT OR NOT! Again, I have never seen this community of gamers ever! I never actually ever felt that in any community gamers were against VC! Against crybabies, snowflakes and kids using it? Yep! Against PROPER usage of VC? Nope! > Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it... especially people who think that they are above it for whatever reason (all the people saying consoles don’t count as pc gamers are superior, which yall arent). History eh? History student here.... So I am going to %%%%k you hard on this!!! First of all ignoring history doesnt mean we are doomed to repeat it! Was there any TYPE OF MASS PROTEST AGAINST USING VC THAT CONSOLES OR OTHER GAMING COMPANIES DECIDED TO REMOVE IT? WERE THERE ANY LAWSUITS THAT FORCED GAMING COMPANIES TO REMOVE VC??? WHAT HISTORY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?? YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND PEOPLE YOU TALKED TO DOESNT ACCOUNT TO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!! And especially CANNOT be used as HISTORICAL EVENT!!! I never said it! Nice you mentioned soemthing completely irrevelant! > But it still ruins games, it still degrades experience... it’s still breaking the rules. If you’ve agreed to not act in a certain way then act in that way then you get punished, that’s not just league that’s how society works. Giving them an avenue where reports are a lot less effective and suddenly you’ve got toxicity running riot, exactly what happened to Xbox live. Then stop playing any type of online games and play singleplayer games only! I really dont give af if you someone hurts your feeling over VC! I have been called worse on VC and chat and I dont see any difference between chat and VC! Again, nice claim you give out there! Completely without evidence!!! What rules does it break? Nice using society in general sense: completely wrong tho :P American society: Freedom of speech ( even if you insult someone ), Croatian society: You get lawsuit for cursing someones mother. What society are we talking about? :D Your claim about VC having avenue is completely trash! I avoid system by typing Pan troglodytes to players! And? > And it’s not just toxicity being unpunished, what about the opposite. > Voice recognition is put in the game to combat toxicity. You use voice chat and the voice recognition picks up on toxicity which you didn’t do because it misunderstood you... suddenly you are getting punished for something you didn’t do. Wouldn’t be fun would it. Can’t trust voice recognition. How can it pick toxicity I didnt? It cant punihs me for not saying "%%%%K YOU!!" bcs I never said it! It can punish me if it detects LOUD SOUND all the game which it would connect to logical statement that player had open VC whole time with LOUND SOUND whole game!!! Give me examples of your mistakes!!! Better yet, dont -.- As this conversation has been going, you will ONCE AGAIN say WE EXPERIENCED, ITS A FACT, ITS.... -.- Dont. just dont! > Balancing will never be solved... that’s just league being a moba they’ve all got the same issue. There’s too many variables, no two champions can ever be completly on the same level. Riot do the best they can but it’s a problem with no end or solution... best not to waste too many resources into it. > They don't! PERIOD! They have a problems but RITO HAS A MOTHERLOAD OF TRUCKS COMMING TO THEM WITH PROBLEMS! If Smite compiled and printed list of their problems over years and printed it out, it would fill out an office! If Rito did that, it would need one three buildings to fill out! Thats joke, btw! What i just said above was joke! Did dota2 have problems with capsules going 1 be ( something similar ofc -.- )? Smite? HoN? HotS? Hmmm, deffending Riot when I tried to be positive and tried to get to an agreement with you but you JUST CANT let a statement where you are not putting yourself above others! > I’m pretty sure they did that cause a lot of the voice chat systems (not discord but others) tend to sync with league and give infomation or benefits.. whivh is against the rules. So it’s just something people can have for free without getting sucked into the systems that can get them banned. So lets, give players reason to voice their dissatisfaction with our feature and continue using discord? Your statement ahhhh -.- Using discord gets them banned? Using discord while playing LoL gets them banned or CAN GET THEM BANNED! You were on boards and heard a rumour about players getting banned for discord! Simple search on google! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/5kx4F7VE-reminder-third-party-applications > But that’s just voice chat in general... people tend to use stuff like discord even in games with full voice chat systems... it’s just convient and useful... even if league added it’s own full voice chats people would still use discord. You dont have any proof of that and again nice statement!!! Your arguments are just plain and simply counter effeective! If you say there is 2% of ppl on boards with mixed or negative response to VC then how can you in next statement express that their experience matters if there is enough of them ( I do hope you are not using boards as a proof of that! ) ! Using bots for upvoting something you dissagree with is childish! I could say same for post being downvoted regarding VC in earlier posts! Dont use history and society as examples! You dont have even an inkling how they operate and how to use any example in your arguments! Just society as general term is too much for you! History is used in regards to context of events and groups! Answer questions about lawsuits and mass protest I said and then try again! Its hard arguing with you and this is last time I will do this! STOP BEING ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE!!!
> I tried to be neutral as much as I could without going to completely trash you! You’ve never been neutral... you’ve tried to be not not very well. I’ve kept this descussion civilised, though calling you out when you tried to be needlessly difficult. Dont forget I haven’t done anything in this descussion that you didn’t start... > Now you summed up WHOLE CONSOLE GAMING getting bad rep PURELY BEACUSE OF VC! We are talking about voice chat in online game, why the hell would I be talking about single player games. I assumed that you’d actually have a brain and could follow the descussion but apparently I was mistaken. > If it gets downvoted months ago its not bots but if its upvoted now its bots? Except nothing has changed, there’s been nothing changing recently. And the reason I suspect it is that there’s been an outbreak of bots influencing votes recently, right now I frankly don’t trust the voting system in general... even if this was getting downvoted to hell I’d disclude it because of the fact that using smurfs to vote is becoming a problem. That’s not to blame anyone, it’s just something that’s happening at the moment and means we can’t trust voting at the moment And comments aren’t, there’s about 4 people commenting for on here and I’m averaging about 2 downvotes, normal numbers. > !!! Maybe players are finally getting to this topic? It’s not people getting to this topic, it’s the fact that it’s been happening a lot recently. > And I bet my ass, you have another evidence to support your claim of bots voting something? If you want me to I can give you posts that have been getting the votes messed up by bots. And voting allows for the boards community to show whether they are for or against ideas without having t comment, a thread with a lot of downvotes is largely disagreed on, a thread with a lot of upvotes is largely agreed on, a thread with a lot of both like this one has a lot on either side. > From 2% of negative or mixed review of VC you jumped to LARGE MAJORITY! You really didn’t read did you. I didn’t say 2% where against VC... In the community there are only around 2% which actually interact with each other, whether that’s reddit, boards or whatever... that’s us, everyone here is in that 2%... the other 98% stay silent. Of that 2% it’s a rather 50/50 split for and against for voice chat with it mostly going against. The problem with a servey is that generally only the vocal minority answer, so you still only get the opinion of that 2%... Even if more vote you are gonna get less than 50%, so a survey is never gonna get the majority involved unless riot bribes people. > Then doesnt it mean that POST BOUT VC GETTING UPVOTES MEANS THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE OF VC?????????? You really are struggling to follow the descussion aren’t you, might need to start separating points to stop you getting confused The bit about the upvotes isn’t anything to do with experience of console players... so of course it doesn’t mean that, it wasn’t supposed to. >Before you decide to make claims! Its not a MOTHER%%%%ING FACT! ITS OPINION OF GROUP!!! The opinion of the majority is what is important... riot need to cater to the most amount of people, can’t be everyone at once but as many as possible... this means taking the opinion of the largest groups and listening to the experiences of communities who already have what they are looking at. > Fact is that Morgana stuns with her Q! Oh you are gonna hate me for this but as you don’t seem interested in being civil I get to be petty. Morgana Q is a root not a stun, you can still cast and auto attack, plus it won’t stop channels. So morg Q stunning isn’t a fact. And we ain’t talking about mechanics... we are talking about whether something is good or not. That is opinion, and the opinion of the majority is the one that’s taken as fact. That’s how things work. So a majority can’t change Morgana Q mechanics, but if a majority agrees that the Qs mechanics are unhealthy then that’s the agreed opinion. > Now, lookie here! This is last time I will say this! What people? Of course people aren’t against the proper use, people wherent against the proper use of TNT either but that didn’t mean people used it properly. Those that use voice chat inappropriately ruin it for everyone else simple as that. And I’ve been telling you about a very large community of gamers who don’t like voice chat... you just haven’t been paying attention And yes it’s differing opinions, but the majority with the shared opinion wins, that’s how this works. > History eh? History student here.... So I am going to %%%%k you hard on this!!! It’s a saying... ignoring the mistakes that people have already made and not learning from them means you are more likely to make the same mistakes You can’t chastise me for missing a joke when you do the exact same thing... stop trying to be an arrogant prick and actually act your age. > I have been called worse on VC and chat and I dont see any difference between chat and VC! In chat you can have bots detecting words... you also have a chat log that can be used for evidence and explain bans... can’t do that on VC... the toxicity levels don’t change, the ability to punish do. > What rules does it break? Nice using society in general sense: completely wrong tho :P Riot’s... we agreed to a set of rules in the terms and conditions, breaking the rules gets you punished. In society if you break rules yo get punished, doesn’t matter which society they all have a justice system that works like that. Same in the online world if you break the rules you should be punished. > How can it pick toxicity I didnt? It cant punihs me for not saying "%%%%K YOU!!" bcs I never said it!! Voice recognition is shoddy at best. Here’s an example, speech to text recognition software... there’s one called dragon 24... you’ve gotta spend hours setting it up to train it to your voice... any slight alteration and it won’t recognise you or will think you said something different. Do you really think riot have the time training voice recognition to recognise millions of different people. Mistakes misunderstanding people is very easy, there’s thousands of different dialects and accents, having voice recognition detect toxicity is risky as hell > Then stop playing any type of online games and play singleplayer games only! Again please read. I didn’t say it hurt my feeling, in fact I said the contrary. What I did say is that toxicity ruins the best parts of gaming, there’s no connectivity and sense of community when someone is being childish. Hmmm, deffending Riot when I tried to be positive and tried to get to an agreement with you Did league have problems with having one of the biggest esports fiascos in the industry... cause DotA did Yes league has issues, every game does... I can point to hundreds of games with way more issues. And League is the oldest of the bunch, of course they have had more issues it’s been around almost twice as long as a lot of it’s competitors. All games have bugs, coding is the litteral worst and it’s near impossible to not have a big somewhere All mobas have balance issues, why else do you think that they all do regular balance changes it’s not for shits and giggles. It’s not riot’s fault, yeah they make mistakes but they are human, everyone makes mistakes... so does all the other companies in the industry. And you wanted the resources for VC to go to balancing, I corrected that it’s a waste of resources and it should go somewhere better... I wasn’t defending riot I was commenting on where the resources should go don’t get so defensive > You were on boards and heard a rumour about players getting banned for discord! Simple search on google! Again please read before making yourself look like an idiot. Never said it was discord, the one I was referring to was curse voice... it was also why they added jungle timers to disincentivise using curse voice Like you said, use google http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4358627&page=40#post46621008 ___ The rest is just you trying to start a fight I’m happy to give evidence if you are... everything you’ve said has been sourceless as well, I’m not putting effort in finding evidence when you can’t be asked to do the same, and yet has the gall to be hypocritical. Learn to be civil before you respond, your just making yourself look childish
: nope, this game isnt about skills to win, its about luck. So they will win no matter what skills they have.
No the game is about skill, if it was about luck then you wouldn’t have pro players. Everything in life has an element of luck that’s obvious... but in league skill plays a big enough part to dictate rank over time (as the more games you play the more you eliminate probability), so if someone is in a rank they don’t belong you will eventually leave it, be it promoting or demoting.
mks96 (EUNE)
: Okay so how do you actually play vs rengar top and what do you pick?
You should have seen it when it was meta... the only plus side of being a top lane main back then is if you could deal with rengar having a near guaranteed first blood and a point and click poke you can deal with him now. Firstly he’s the first blood king of top, respect his level 1 and keep track of his ferocity... if its close to max you back off or he will have kill pressure Secondly ward bushes, let’s you know where he is and how dangerous he is Thirdly Ninja Tabi are your best friend, rush them. Fourthly he’s got no reliable escapes, let him push them it’s an easy Gank Fithly he’s still an assasin with high roam potentail... keep an eye on him and ping when he leaves (nd get tower plates or follow), don’t want all your effort keeping him under control goingvto waste because of an easy to avoid roam Sixthly (I regret numbering these, sixthly isn’t even a word) he’s got no reliable poke, if you’ve got some then use it... if he’s too low to fight you he looses his entire reason to exist. And most importantly it’s all about wave control... he needs the bushes to be useful, freeze the wave just outside of his tower and he’s got no answer outside of getting a gank... or let him push it into your tower he can’t do anything to you while under there ___ If you give him the respect he deserves and manipulate the wave right it’s a free lane for you... disrespect or underestimate him and you will die... honestly I kinda like playing this match up especially if I get the counter pick (which ain’t really a counter I just like kayn into these kinds of champions, its a fun lane), it’s tense and it comes down to game knowledge... you can honestly tell who mained top back in S3 from how well they handle a rengar match up.
: That's why I changed his kit and itemasation opportunities a bit.
To be the thing that he’s toxic when he becomes... a bruiser... that’s what we don’t want. What’s worse is that you actively disincentive the full ap build he is meant to have, you force him into a bruiser build by removing the thing which enables his melee mage playstyle. You kill off what he is. Remember he doesn’t get a consistent ult, his kit has to be functional and working with 3 abilities and a passive... that means he needs a very strong safety tool to allow him to be squishy and melee... aka his heal.
: 114 champs need to be nerfed
Win rate gets affected by difficulty, difficult champions have a naturally low win rate. So just because LeBlanc has a low win rate does not mean she is weak or that those with a higher win rate are stronger.
: But it's not feeling heathy playing him on a lane and just outtrading the enemy by just pressing w and healing so much. Besides that I really don't want him to be another tank ekko but his w just doesn't fit his concept, that is what disturbs me at the moment. I'm really not a good champion designer or anything but his w feels completely out of place for me and while Riot now nerfed his ratios again I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea if they just take a look at his full concept instead of balancing him around 1 ability.
But again it’s a glue ability, he needs it in order to function... without it his entire kit falls apart
: I know why he has the heal but thats why I would like it to be changed. Giving him this pasive would allow him to buy bruiser items instead of needing a healing his kit which just feels out of place. I really dont want him to be a full tank but more of a sticky bruiser who has a hard hitting ultimate ability.
But him being a bruisers isn’t healthy... it’s litterally just another tank ekko. Why would riot enforce that when full ap is healthier and how he is meant to be played... he’s a mage not a bruiser.
: Sylas Passive and W Changes
It’s a glue ability... he’s a melee ranged mage designed to build full ap he needs to have good safety tools in order to survive, aka the heal. Your idea rewards tank sylas, a build which isn’t healthy and really shouldn’t be enforced, and kills off full ap sylas... by having the heal he is able to be rewarded for building damage without instantly dying.
Takumaron (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=z65huEwY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-20T03:57:48.207+0000) > > A random queue would be a bad idea, people hate getting autofilled as is (hell they hate getting their secondary), forcing people into random roles would go horribly. Not to mention it kills off one tricks. I just said it was my idea. But that is the only solution I could think of. And i said that it would be bad for maybe whole season. > And this was a problem before, just because you get forced to play a role cause you where late calling didn’t mean you understood the role, just meant you frustrated everyone on your team... ain’t nothing anyone can do about that. My experience was that people could play every role and almost on the same level. And if they couldn't they would trade for it. Rarely would they not be able to trade for it and in time they would learn that role.
> I just said it was my idea. But that is the only solution I could think of. And i said that it would be bad for maybe whole season. It wouldn’t be bad for a whole season, it’d be bad until root reverted or we all left. Randomised queues would outright kill off the game. And there’s no solution to it... this is an issue that has always been an issue and always will be... before you could choose your rank people only played one or two roles, if they didn’t get it they’d leave in champ select or troll... its got nothing to do with people not being used to playing other roles, if they didn’t want to learn other roles now they wherent gonna in the past and aren’t gonna in the future.
wingzerzzz (EUNE)
: future ''your shop''
Pretty sure it already only looked at your history on SR or TT... it also doesn’t take into account your most recent match history so you can’t spam a bunch of games before it to force it into giving a particular champion, so I think it wouldn’t take into account any ARURF games anyway
: Riot please revert Aatrox
Old aatrox was severely unhealthy, that’s why he got reworked. Once you remove the unhealthy parts of aatrox’s kit you get left with litterally nothing, his Q, the revive, and his E... the later of which nobody cared about and the other two are still there. That’s why he’s no longer aatrox and why he won’t ever come back... he just wasnt healthy for the game
: Our conversation is over. There is a HUGE difference between both casual and competitive gamers. You continue to say your assumptions as facts which is starting to annoy me. Better end it here and now from my end at least
You realise you can just stop responding, you don’t have to declare the descussion over.
: > I really hoping that you are trying to act dumb. Well, when I go and play console games I usually don't play them for their multiplayer feature -.- You never specified and its matter of perspective! I play single player games on consoles XD > Like I said if voice chats where used properly then I’d not have a problem with them... and it’s an element of luck with our experiences. IMHO I think problem actually lies in fact that VC in lol is not implemented as it was in other games. And its pissing most of the players off! I mean, I understand positive and negative sides of VC! If they are already going to implement them it should be done with little more thought put in it! But as usual, Rito just puts things into LoL without any thinking done before! -.- > The difference is I’ve spent years having to put up with the worst of voice chats, you got lucky and got the good parts. Yep! But as I said, try not to take that experience as fact! There might even be players who never used VC and have no idea what Voice Chat is. :D > we don’t need more toxicity, not because it affects us but because we loose the best part of gaming, we loose our community. Plus the boards will just get swamped with even more complaints about toxicity and frankly it’s tiring. That will always be present. If someone is toxic he will be toxic on mic and in chat. It will not matter to him. But its up to you if you are going to have fun listening to some pre-teen kid crying about you not ganking his lane every 5 sec or mute him and later on report him for it! > If there is something that benefits us more or benefits all of us then that’s where the resources should go... voice chat just isn’t worth allocating resources over so many other problems in the game That I agree with you 100%!!! Rito should put his resources to finally optimizing this game and solving this fps and conectivity problems! And then focus on taboo: "balancing"!!! I think also ( see how I used I think :P ) that problem lies in fact that most ppl usually resolve to using discord when LoL already has VC! Its like resources to making VC were wasted!
> Well, when I go and play console games I usually don't play them for their multiplayer feature -.- You never specified and its matter of perspective! I play single player games on consoles XD We are talking about VC, that obviously implies multiplayer... it’s not a matter of perspective it’s just you trying your hardest to be difficult. > IMHO I think problem actually lies in fact that VC in lol is not implemented as it was in other games. And its pissing most of the players off! I mean, I understand positive and negative sides of VC! If they are already going to implement them it should be done with little more thought put in it! But as usual, Rito just puts things into LoL without any thinking done before! -.- Because it’s not as clear as you think. We get this kind of thread a lot, this is the first time I’ve ever seen it actually go positive, usually it’s downvoted a lot. Even then 6 downvotes is a sizeable amount. Plus there’s been a trend recently of threads and comments getting abnormally large amounts of votes rather quickly... I’m not accusing anyone here but there is at least a few people using bots to influence votes (wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened on the boards) so honestly I’m not even convinced that this is an accurate representation of the boards opinion especially as it’s shifted so heavily so quickly... But that means that out of the 2% (ish) of the community that is vocal (so us) voice chat is met with disapproval or mixed opinions. It’s not that it’s pissing off players, cause there’s a decently large group that don’t want it... that’s likely why riot don’t add it, because the vocal community overwhelmingly is against. > Yep! But as I said, try not to take that experience as fact! There might even be players who never used VC and have no idea what Voice Chat is. :D But that’s all about perspective. When enough people have the same experience it has a higher value, it might not be fact but it’s close enough. Consoles are the group that use voice chat the most and almost if not every console player who plays online games doesn’t like voice chat... we’ve experienced the worst of it. Experience might not be fact but that doesn’t mean you should ignore it... when there’s a massive community of gamers having to put up with voice chat and generally despise it then game developers have to look at what is wrong with that group and determine whether the problems will emerge in their game... which they generally do. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it... especially people who think that they are above it for whatever reason (all the people saying consoles don’t count as pc gamers are superior, which yall arent). > That will always be present. If someone is toxic he will be toxic on mic and in chat. It will not matter to him. But its up to you if you are going to have fun listening to some pre-teen kid crying about you not ganking his lane every 5 sec or mute him and later on report him for it! But it still ruins games, it still degrades experience... it’s still breaking the rules. If you’ve agreed to not act in a certain way then act in that way then you get punished, that’s not just league that’s how society works. Giving them an avenue where reports are a lot less effective and suddenly you’ve got toxicity running riot, exactly what happened to Xbox live. And it’s not just toxicity being unpunished, what about the opposite. Voice recognition is put in the game to combat toxicity. You use voice chat and the voice recognition picks up on toxicity which you didn’t do because it misunderstood you... suddenly you are getting punished for something you didn’t do. Wouldn’t be fun would it. Can’t trust voice recognition. > That I agree with you 100%!!! Rito should put his resources to finally optimizing this game and solving this fps and conectivity problems! And then focus on taboo: "balancing"!!! Balancing will never be solved... that’s just league being a moba they’ve all got the same issue. There’s too many variables, no two champions can ever be completly on the same level. Riot do the best they can but it’s a problem with no end or solution... best not to waste too many resources into it. But yeah, optimisation, combating toxicity, hell even new game modes. These are better uses of resources than a system not veryone wants or would welcome. > I think also ( see how I used I think :P ) that problem lies in fact that most ppl usually resolve to using discord when LoL already has VC! Its like resources to making VC were wasted! I’m pretty sure they did that cause a lot of the voice chat systems (not discord but others) tend to sync with league and give infomation or benefits.. whivh is against the rules. So it’s just something people can have for free without getting sucked into the systems that can get them banned. But that’s just voice chat in general... people tend to use stuff like discord even in games with full voice chat systems... it’s just convient and useful... even if league added it’s own full voice chats people would still use discord.
: >Your entire argument sums up to you assuming you are any different to console gamers, pc master race doesn’t exist, all gamers are the same, get over yourself. So to you casual gamers and competitive gamers are also the same right?
There are casual and competitive gamers in both console and pc games. And no there isn’t much difference... the motivation is different but in the end both are playing the same game... It’s like saying if two scientists got into science differently that doesn’t make one scientist less of a scientist than the other... same as a biologist isn’t less of a scientist as a physicist... no different here.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=z1yldvEQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-20T04:30:23.676+0000) > > The hextech line is reserved mainly for champions with a lot of skins, ivern is the complete opposite of that... so he’s the last champion who should get a hextech skin Then again Riot can break their own rules. The same way certain skin lines like Dreadnova have a gemstone variant, Hextech skins could in theory be normal skins (especially considering there is no difference between an epic and a mythic skin other than how they're obtained and more so because Galio and Janna have them).
While that’s true the only hextech skins that aren’t gem exclusive are the ones that predate it... I think riot have made it a thing that all hextech skins that release now are hextech exclusive (makes sense, makes it obvious when a skin is and isn’t a hextech exclusive) This doesn’t mean every hextech exclusive is a hextech skin but every hextech skin now is hextech exclusive
Urgash (EUW)
: As an ARAM Main with more than 11K games played, i dread those changes and feel it's overkill with both specific champions buffs & nerfs and damage reduction from 900 range. And Bans if it weren't enough. If Aram accounts is the problem, why not unlock all champions for everyone ? It seems to me that those changes are directed towards people that don't play ARAM much in the first place, those always complaining about melee vs ranged, those who rerolls tanks so you end up with 5 ap's vs Mundo. or in the end 75% of the games are decided by bad macro plays and inters who think they can tank 1v5 with a full ap build, while half the team is dead. Arurf was crap, and i don't think the "Balancing" that went on there should be applied anywhere else, Those of us who actually play the game mode know that the problem comes from the over-abundance of rerolls and the never-ending dodgers who drop when they don't have a S+ Comp, that' what causing people to get frustrated and think they always play against ziggs, lux & co. Ofc there are champs that fare better than others but the randomness is supposed to be the great equalizer, but it's been gone for a long time. Calling it now, it's gonna be a fiesta, and this is gonna be assassin meta, we thought we could escape the LCS moar damage instagib meta, guess we'd have to think again. i like the part where they complain about having to dodge skillshots, really insightful. As long as it is only during the event, it's fine and dandy, but if this is the way Rito wants to go for the future, i'm worried. At least they're bringing the bilgewater map back, that's the only positive thing i see in there.
Do remember it’s just for an event (2 weeks more or less), anything that doesn’t work riot will ditch. So try out the changes and make sure to give feedback... that way what actually works is the stuff that stays... and by feedback don’t just post on here, go to NA so that the correct rioters will see. but this is all stuff that people have been asking for, worth giving it a shot (though honestly I doubt much of this will stay... like the rune changes, ghostwalkers, and warmogs looks like the only thing that won’t cause issues).
Shamose (EUW)
: Dunkmaster Ivern and Hextech Jarvan.
The hextech line is reserved mainly for champions with a lot of skins, ivern is the complete opposite of that... so he’s the last champion who should get a hextech skin
ΑοΚι (EUW)
: Honestly I feel betrayed... I'm totally fine with the fact that Ivern is an unpopular champ so it makes sense that it took a decade for him to get his first skin after the release skin, but srsly... I mean SRSLY??? I'm a Ivern onetrick with over 1 million mastery points on him and I was totally looking forward for his skin, but there is no way I would buy Dunkmaster Ivern! It has nothing to do with his theme and doesnt even fit his playstyle or anything that would be an argument for it. Dunkmaster Ivern is the same as Sewn Chaos Amumu in my opinion and it's hard to believe that this skin will sell anyway decent. There is only a small amount of Ivern players and even from a lot of them I only got a respond like "this skin sucks so hard riot must be kidding" or "well nothing we can do here, guess we have to wait until season 13 or so before we get an decent Ivern skin". If Riot really pulls it off and releases Dunkmaster Ivern I'm speechless. They actually managed to tear the heart of an Ivern player apart
> It has nothing to do with his theme and doesnt even fit his playstyle or anything that would be an argument for it. Why would it fit his theme... that’s the point of skins to change the themes of a champion, if a skin stayed in the same theme as the original champion chances are it’s a failed skin you might as well stick with the original. And honestly it was always gonna suck... you guys had been waiting for it for so long and hyping it up that I honestly don’t think anything would meet your expectations... same with Aurelion Sol... yall just got your hopes too high Plus it’s ivern, he’s just weird and got a messed up rig (like weird and spindly)... it’s gonna be hard to find skins for him that don’t look off.
Takumaron (EUNE)
: The problem of unequal skill
A random queue would be a bad idea, people hate getting autofilled as is (hell they hate getting their secondary), forcing people into random roles would go horribly. Not to mention it kills off one tricks. And this was a problem before, just because you get forced to play a role cause you where late calling didn’t mean you understood the role, just meant you frustrated everyone on your team... ain’t nothing anyone can do about that.
Kurotsu (EUW)
: Hextech Master Yi next?
Hextech skins tend to go to champions which alreafy have a high number of skins (so that the champions without many skins don’t end up with skins that are hard to get), so yeah there’s a pretty good chance that yi will get one
Xiley (EUNE)
: That wasn't entirely serious but it's a fact that average console gamer is younger than a PC one so you can't really compare VC on consoles to VC on PC. It wasn't my entire argument so nice strawman there m8.
Actually that’s a baseless assumption. Average age of a console gamer is the same as a PC gamer... the only thing that skews it is Nintendo which as Nintendo doesn’t do voice chat should be excluded. It’s all about stereotypes... problem is that the stereotype for a league player is the same as the one for console gamer...
: Pay2win exist, and riot dont want to stop it.
That’s not paying to win... paying to be put in a higher elo where the system will alrwady target youand you demote due to lack of skill isn’t paying to win, it’s paying to loose.
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