: Why does riot rematch people that youve muted and reported in the previous game?
slick408 (EUNE)
: "Yeah, you gave an example that isn't applicable in an environment where you get grouped with at least 5 strangers, good job." You're the one who said "any environment", I'm sure there are plenty of other environments in which your convenient excuse doesn't work. You can't use common sense to excuse severe punishment with no warning because of some insults that no one takes seriously, even less online. I never said I don't accept common sense as the easiest way to avoid breaking the rules, you seem to think common sense is some sort of ToU created for League, you forget that people have DIFFERENT opinions about literally everything, I mean everything.
> [{quoted}](name=slick408,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WAEKEdGx,comment-id=00010000000100000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-24T18:05:38.191+0000) > > "Yeah, you gave an example that isn't applicable in an environment where you get grouped with at least 5 strangers, good job." > You're the one who said "any environment", I'm sure there are plenty of other environments in which your convenient excuse doesn't work. > You can't use common sense to excuse severe punishment with no warning because of some insults that no one takes seriously, even less online. > I never said I don't accept common sense as the easiest way to avoid breaking the rules, you seem to think common sense is some sort of ToU created for League, you forget that people have DIFFERENT opinions about literally everything, I mean everything. Still the general consensus is to not insult and harass other people. It's a convenient excuse but the norm. So again, if you are having difficulties determining whether or not a given situation is appropriate for the usage of insults (banter in that case), then just play it safe and stick by the rules. Also no idea why you think it's "toxic" for new players, since it's just a temporary punishment showing, that such behaviour isn't tolerated at all. After that you can keep playing.
slick408 (EUNE)
: I was using the phrase common sense a lot? You got the wrong guy. "No matter the environment" Wrong, check the other reply, I just gave you an environment where I can freely express myself and what I feel. You do know what freedom of expression means? Swearing is considered impolite but that doesn't mean you can't do it in any environment.
Yeah, you gave an example that isn't applicable in an environment where you get grouped with at least 5 strangers, good job. >You do know what freedom of expression means? You asking that question makes me doubt you know its meaning. Also if you don't accept common sense as the easiest way to avoid breaking the rules... then read and follow the rules!
slick408 (EUNE)
: I say that to my friends frequently, they're not crying, they're not mad. They don't actually kill themselves (hard to believe, I know) Trash talking isn't "acceptable" but in what game do you get banned for 14 days? How sensitive are people here? Do I have to wonder if jokes get me banned too? Like some guy who made a topic about that? What is acceptable to me might not be to you, that's not common sense, that's just my opinion being different from yours. Racial slurs are bad, so are homophobic slurs, that is common sense or rather the public opinion about those words. %%% was used commonly when it became a popular insult to use, this is the first game I've seen that insta bans people because of this one word, how much power do you want to give this word? Isn't it bad already that you're insta banning people for using it? You want this word not to be used but by insta banning people that use it you keep bringing more attention to the word and giving it more power.
> **common sense** > noun >_ sound practical judgment that is independent of specialized knowledge, training, or the like; normal native intelligence._ You were using the phrase **common sense** a lot, but you don't seem to undestand what it means, that's why I posted the definition for you. Common sense dictates, that any form of insults isn't acceptable and as such it's not surprising at all, that you get punished for it... again, no matter the environment. For example, try walking up to a stranger and start insulting him in all seriousness. Good luck with that.
slick408 (EUNE)
: How am I supposed to know from "common sense" that I will get banned 14 days if I type k ys considering I'm a new player and never heard of 0 tolerance crap in any other games, maybe because this game is the most toxic of all, probably that's why. "read the rules", I bet my life you didn't and several other thousands of people didn't. Do you read every ToS from every game? Common sense doesn't "tell you" about 0 tolerance words from LoL. If such words don't bother me in the first place how am I supposed to guess what opinion has the team about the words from their list. Severity doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you, an insult is an insult, if it offends you it, bad luck but if it doesn't and you think that if it doesn't offend you then it must be less severe then you're wrong. What isn't offensive to you could be to another person and vice-versa.
> [{quoted}](name=slick408,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WAEKEdGx,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T13:44:11.044+0000) > > How am I supposed to know from "common sense" that I will get banned 14 days if I type k ys considering I'm a new player and never heard of 0 tolerance crap in any other games, maybe because this game is the most toxic of all, probably that's why. > "read the rules", I bet my life you didn't and several other thousands of people didn't. > Do you read every ToS from every game? > Common sense doesn't "tell you" about 0 tolerance words from LoL. > If such words don't bother me in the first place how am I supposed to guess what opinion has the team about the words from their list. > Severity doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you, an insult is an insult, if it offends you it, bad luck but if it doesn't and you think that if it doesn't offend you then it must be less severe then you're wrong. What isn't offensive to you could be to another person and vice-versa. You should have the common sense, that those things you've said are not acceptable. Not just in League, but in any environment.
: how you think honor system progress and reports work
GilxeN (EUW)
: {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} I dont give a shit about honor system lmao.
> [{quoted}](name=GilxeN,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=taqtEl1c,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T08:19:00.424+0000) > > I dont give a shit about honor system lmao. Why so salty then?
: > [{quoted}](name=twA Divine,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T18:15:40.250+0000) > > That's not what you said initially. When you were talking about improving and stuff the topic was the current system. Link it to me and i try to make it more clear for you.
: > [{quoted}](name=twA Divine,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a000100010000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:00:30.290+0000) > > If there are players who climb (improve), then there have to be players who drop too. That's why there are Tiers and Divisions. I see... You kind restrict yourself here to an outdated system like there could be nothing better and fair. Even TfT is already playerfriendlyer and fairer then lol Ladder System. So i want a system where not win or lose ONLY determine who climbs no rather who plays well similar to tft. Understandable?
> [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:55:40.102+0000) > > I see... > You kind restrict yourself here to an outdated system like there could be nothing better and fair. > > Even TfT is already playerfriendlyer and fairer then lol Ladder System. > > So i want a system where not win or lose ONLY determine who climbs no rather who plays well similar to tft. > > Understandable? That's not what you said initially. When you were talking about improving and stuff the topic was the current system.
: > [{quoted}](name=twA Divine,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a0001,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:25:39.686+0000) > > That doesn't make sense. In order for good players to exist there have to be bad ones. Explain that kinda logic please, bc it makes zero sense to me. It seams our understanding from what is a good and a bad player differs a lot.
> [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a00010001,timestamp=2019-08-12T11:51:58.059+0000) > > Explain that kinda logic please, bc it makes zero sense to me. > > It seams our understanding from what is a good and a bad player differs a lot. If there are players who climb (improve), then there have to be players who drop too. That's why there are Tiers and Divisions.
: Trolling or not, there are to many players who simply can`t improve, such players should not be able to join ranked games until they CAN improve. I know sounds hard to exclude people, but like this Topic proves it is for their own sake. I wonder how many more years Rito needs to understand that you need a minimum skill standart for this "teamgame" otherwise nobody can or should take this game serious. Guess thats the reason why they only watch^^
> [{quoted}](name=Vorzüglich,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=HW0W1Uln,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-08-12T09:18:48.106+0000) > > Trolling or not, there are to many players who simply can`t improve, such players should not be able to join ranked games until they CAN improve. > > I know sounds hard to exclude people, but like this Topic proves it is for their own sake. > > I wonder how many more years Rito needs to understand that you need a minimum skill standart for this "teamgame" otherwise nobody can or should take this game serious. > > Guess thats the reason why they only watch^^ That doesn't make sense. In order for good players to exist there have to be bad ones.
Rios160 (EUNE)
: I have ntohing to rpove to u since ur opinions is irrelevant i just posted this just to prove system si trash 0/5 ban but 1/15 no. i dont need your opinions bye
> [{quoted}](name=Rios160,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=879xgmwE,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-08-09T11:33:56.070+0000) > > I have ntohing to rpove to u since ur opinions is irrelevant i just posted this just to prove system si trash 0/5 ban but 1/15 no. i dont need your opinions bye You didn't prove anything though.
: How can we know diference of a discussing peoples mistakes and a tip to improve? if someone tell me: >Why did you leave red buf when it was free coz enemy jungler was on base and enemy bot was low hp? I would probably note that and watch replay latter, maybe is something i could improve. If a player is doing a mistake even intentional you shouln't warning to he maybe notice and improve? There are a lot of mistakes just cause people aren't experienced, for me a warning is a way to see where i fail and can improve.
The difference is the wording. The question to WHY somebody did something wrong is redundant. Because they didn't know better in that moment. Instead start with "Hey, did you know/ I think..."
: You don't know how probabilities work. Please read up before making another incorrect post. Thank you.
> [{quoted}](name=Squirrel Bomb,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=E800TWUc,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-07-24T09:41:34.732+0000) > > You don't know how probabilities work. Please read up before making another incorrect post. Thank you. Simply discarding everything someone said without giving a single reason is just as bad as spreading incorrect statements.
thwifo (EUNE)
: I'm litteraly needed to remove my enter key and refuse to talk cause of this shit system
https://media4.giphy.com/media/10hJwJB4fhIdLq/200w.gif
: Yea mate sure I did and maybe 10 games were even little deserved but. And thats actually a problem, since you got 10 chat restr you shouldnt talk at all. I mean my 25 was like 2 random games where one chat log I didnt flame at all and didnt really talk that much, I didnt even copied it idk cause they looked not fair aswell but I was like alright sure I guess lol. And first game was like not flaming just beying little rude to my team to actually untilt like stfu and play a game please. I know they wont give a %%%%, I am just here to say guys if you get your first retrictino just disable chat cause system is dumb, be careful.
> [{quoted}](name=TOXIC YSERA,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=34Pf4mpA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-23T06:19:50.759+0000) > > Yea mate sure I did and maybe 10 games were even little deserved but. And thats actually a problem, since you got 10 chat restr you shouldnt talk at all. I mean my 25 was like 2 random games where one chat log I didnt flame at all and didnt really talk that much, I didnt even copied it idk cause they looked not fair aswell but I was like alright sure I guess lol. And first game was like not flaming just beying little rude to my team to actually untilt like stfu and play a game please. > I know they wont give a %%%%, I am just here to say guys if you get your first retrictino just disable chat cause system is dumb, be careful. Point is, while this logs alone aren't too bad given your behaviour in the past and after giving you multiple warnings the line had to be drawn somewhere.
: i got banned for being told "%%%" and many other things by flamers.
You should make a support ticket until an actual Riot employee responds to you. For the future, don't repeat what others said to you.
: I am so %%%%ing doooooooooooneeeeeeeee, riot doing their job
Lengàh (EUW)
: Abusing dc players
It's been done before by a streamer I believe. Definitely not the way it's intended to be.
: Is it just bad luck or intentional?
Just bad luck. Lost 6 Ranked Matches yesterday, including my promos. Things like that happen.
: riot ban program in a nutshell
>riot: it's your fault you keep saying things that are grey area but we keep blowing it out of proportions "Grey areas"... uh huh. Sure. Also evidence?
Kabs (EUNE)
: PERMA BANNED
>Kabs: now u dug ur own hole How ironic.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheToysTracker,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cxYdAptR,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T10:20:44.914+0000) > > You posted there the wrong link. Here is the link you should use: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sarcasm?s=t > > I have from who to learn {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Sarcasm is when you make it obvious, yours unfortunately, is just a poor comment.
> [{quoted}](name=CJXander,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cxYdAptR,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T10:53:31.059+0000) > > Sarcasm is when you make it obvious, yours unfortunately, is just a poor comment. It was completely obvious.
: Disable allied chat
dino0 (EUW)
: Thank you but i prefer the original statement. bye :D
> [{quoted}](name=dino0,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=LwFE89zV,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T15:59:02.322+0000) > > Thank you but i prefer the original statement. bye :D Which is wrong. Good bye.
AkikoAkai (EUNE)
: League of Legends trolls.
The hint to this post is in the title.
Kasadya (EUW)
: How are players supposed to not be toxic ?
Playing since Beta. Haven't been banned once, even though I tilt quickly.
dino0 (EUW)
: Well son you're out of luck riot cares nothing about you, get a new account and play, they don't care about helping players change.
> [{quoted}](name=dino0,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=LwFE89zV,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-08T10:53:08.938+0000) > > Well son you're out of luck riot cares nothing about you, get a new account and play, **they don't care about players refusing to change.** There, fixed it for you.
Dòrian (EUW)
: Well yeah, but no. The current system works on pure numbers. There's no context, so there's no fairness.
> [{quoted}](name=Dòrian,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EtbEsR71,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-01T15:16:23.782+0000) > > Well yeah, but no. > The current system works on pure numbers. > There's no context, so there's no fairness. Exactly that makes it fair. Everyone is judged solely for their own words.
: Got chat restricted over 1 game, really?
: TFT is all about luck?
>TFT is ALL about luck? No.
: Yeah, but I think flame should be chat restriction, not a 2 week ban.
Having seen screenshots of what he tends to say when he flames a 14 Days suspension is well deserved.
icarusso (EUW)
: For all those laners who love to flame at jungler.
Yes and no. There are plenty other circumstances which need to be considered. I don't mind getting camped when I see, that another lane is winning hard (with the help of the jungler) and objectives are being done. But if nothing gets done while my lane is being camped something is going wrong.
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=mikrogane2305,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=o3prc1Xq,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T21:43:37.127+0000) > > Hmmm. Imagine trash talking without even smallest research. > https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/TWGqe5eA-ive-been-banned-for-trolling-once-and-i-carried-the-game-why-am-i-banned > https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/yektpuvq-i-got-banned-for-feeding > https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/4EbZ8Ym8-debunking-shaclone-claiming-he-is-getting-banned-for-no-reason > Found those after not more than 5 min of searching. For the first example, that player was a 2/25 Rammus, with a questionable build, he had more than one death per minute. That shit is detectable :) The second example, the guy was something like 0/14/0, totally detectable 3rd example, again obvious tower running, afk detection avoiding, trolling . However, if you intentionally run into the tower for 3 times, while all the other stats are OK, you will NEVER get caught. If someone is 10/5/0 and then suddenly decides to run into the tower for 5 times, HE WON'T GET BANNED. Learn how the system works. PERIOD
: Give us one free dodge per day/week
Send that screenshot to the Support, with the names uncovered of course.
: Actually it did. Those people that wore usually flaming but still cared about their accounts are now banned and probably don't play anymore yes, but those that flamed not caring about their account are just trolls now, cause that is the new way of toxicity that you can get away with.
> [{quoted}](name=Jingle some bell,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oyXtiJ77,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T09:42:56.200+0000) > > Actually it did. Those people that wore usually flaming but still cared about their accounts are now banned and probably don't play anymore yes, but those that flamed not caring about their account are just trolls now, cause that is the new way of toxicity that you can get away with. But did Riot's actions actually increase the number of trolls? In order to know that we need a lot more background information, before we can make such hasty statements.
: Permanently banned
But unless they get banned for cheating, scams, hacking, etc. they made more than just **one** mistake.
kroncriz (EUW)
: ***
>no bans will change this, they just might kill the game, since banning for chat is ridiculous, they did nothing else but increase the number of trolls They didn't. Not every banned person will make a new account, and not everyone who does has the intention to then start trolling.
: Thanks. Thats only what I look on this post, not like the down below. English isnt my 1st language, so try to express in a decent way. Usually I just report people who flame, but i never saw what I see on that match, people playing only with his mates, ping all time the others, etc. so I ask because I never found it and I wanna know that if I can report people like this or not.
Careful, I'm not saying that the behaviour you witnessed is punishable, only that you are free to report someone if you believe they were breaking the rules.
: If u dont trust me ok. I dont report any of them because they dont flame I just open this post to know what do to next time.
> [{quoted}](name=Sakurita108,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lLZtPyzO,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-09T16:37:26.989+0000) > > If u dont trust me ok. > I dont report any of them because they dont flame > I just open this post to know what do to next time. If you believe someone is trolling, or in general breaking the rules, then just report them.
kroncriz (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=kroncriz,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=q1jvk9Oc,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-09T16:32:09.502+0000) > > i ain't even gonna bother with you That's about the answer I expected.
kroncriz (EUW)
: ***
>when you ban people from game because of chat , there is something wrong. Why? What is wrong? It's their decision what kind of speech is allowed to be used on the platform they provide.
: Is this behaviour reportable?
A few clicks show, that Caitlyn built those items less than a minute before the match was over and before that has a normal ADC build. Furthermore Caitlyn was dead at that time so the switch of her build didn't affect the outcome of the match anymore. Given that you lied about her behaviour in another comment below, claiming she sold her items way earlier into the match, makes me doubt the rest of your post.
: Is saying 'cry more' reportable?
He can report you for that (like you can be reported for pretty much anything), whether or not you will be punished for it is a different question though. On it alone I highly doubt it, although it definitely isn't something positive so you should probably refrain from writing things like that. Edit: Reportable =/= punishable, although people should only report punishable behaviour.
TPK Luffy (EUW)
: so what im tryign to say is reaching level 30 without insulting anyone is like proof that you have reformed and you can play great. cuz lol perma banning an account just cuz i became mad in 1 game out of the 5000 doesnt feel like deserved atleast that can we see as an chance
> [{quoted}](name=TPK Luffy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lFMEq9M6,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-05-08T02:13:46.940+0000) > > so what im tryign to say is reaching level 30 without insulting anyone is like proof that you have reformed and you can play great. cuz lol perma banning an account just cuz i became mad in 1 game out of the 5000 doesnt feel like deserved atleast that can we see as an chance Something similar has already been tried. Years ago select permanently banned players were given the chance to create a new account and level it up. If they did so without breaking the rules then it showed they had reformed and their other account would get unbanned again, I believe. It was a failure. Almost everyone broke the rules and proved they hadn't reformed at all. Furthermore you don't get permanently banned for getting mad in one game. You had a 14 Days Ban before that and probably two chat restrictions.
: Player Karma?
Since the implementation of automated IFS it's no longer necessary to put values on individual reports in order to trigger an investigation. Also getting a report feedback is an extremely rare occurrence and doesn't mean your other reports didn't trigger a punishment.
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: Back in my days when we played online games it was a given insults were a norm and nobody was butthurt about that. Now everybody's offended at the slightest probability of somebody being "negative". What a time to be alive. Now, for the actual suggestion. It's completely pointless. The system already automatically filters the in-game chat once enough stir is created, either by the reports or severity of the behaviour itself. Knowing that, what does your suggestion solve?
Ah, yes. I remember back in the days when you could keep slaves and randomly accuse people of witchcraft to get them burned. Different times. Different circumstances.
TPK Luffy (EUW)
: people getting perma banned for bullshi
What is your point? If someone gets reported and toxic behaviour is being detected then he most likely will be punished, and rightfully so. If you believe that only two curse words don't warrant a permanent ban, then you have to keep in mind, that before a permanent ban is being issued several other punishment steps have already been taken and the person has been warned, that any further transgression will result in a permanent ban.
Mártir (EUW)
: Disagree, it works too sensitively. I got chat banned this year (First time in SEVEN years), and I dont consider to be a "bad person".
> [{quoted}](name=Mártir,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=8wcMr1Jh,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-04-30T05:45:57.733+0000) > > Disagree, it works too sensitively. > I got chat banned this year (First time in SEVEN years), and I dont consider to be a "bad person". Are you sure about that? If you got chat logs with your ban notification you could always post them here for others to give their opinion on the chat restriction. Also you can message the support if think the restriction is not justified.
: > [{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=RPKcLg89,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-18T17:23:35.561+0000) > > I was here 2 days ago, if the comment header is to be believed. > > PS. I already told you it's perfectly possible to be autofilled in 100% of valid matches due to how the system is set up **and you even acknowledged those mechanics**, and you are **still** arguing it's not possible. C'mon, man. Yeh, after the last comment being from over a week ago. Again, even if I believed that you can be autofilled in promos, every third game is a remake and so on... that's just so unlikely it's not even worth talking about. Therefor I don't believe OP's words for one second, unless someone posts evidence, that it happened to them.
This is going full circle. Possible? Yes. Likely? Not really. You have to consider other factors as well. How likely are you to be autofilled depending on the position you selected and so on...
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