: so please enlighten me... why do chat bans exist? i mean there is a mute feature after all...
because League is a teamwork game, commucation is needed in the game...
: unless of course they do it in 'private chat' on friends list, then RIOT dont give a flying %%%%, even about 'zero tolerance' phrases i had someone add me to tell me to kill myself, to get ebola and to get cancer, then brag about how my report (i told him i had a screenshot and would send to riot) would do nothing turns out he was right, the support rep i spoke to said that because it was a private chat, that they dont have access to and therefore cannot see (ie. completely ignoring the screenshot i sent with the ticket) they would be doing nothing, yet funnily enough he was able to mention that the guy in question (who had told me to kill myself) was (quote) 'would deserve a punishment he is kind of right, we cannot take actions on private chats since they are confidential and we do not have access on them'. the support agent has now put the status of my ticket (after questioning this response) on hold for the past 24 hours and the 'ticket assigned to' field on the right of the screen is now blank so they are just ignoring my issue...
: So Riot can ban people for spoiling a movie but cant ban People trolling and intentionally feeding
So that's what's Riot games focusing on instead of fixing their dumb AI for example :D. Very stupid admin that banned him for that. People are allowed to speak about anything they want as long as you don't insult others
Tarolock (EUNE)
: they were not nerfed, actually they were buffed since they use summoners now
I dont want to argue but they did use summoners before as well, even those that they dont use now (TP,Cleanse,Barrier etc) And their gold gain was nerfed.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: the only reason most ppl play bots is either getting the first win of the day when they have no time for a full game or from lvl 1 - 5 where you cant play pvp, other than that coop vs ai is pretty much useless, they dont do anything, for the mission on aprils fools we had to feed them for 25-30 mins and even then the minions finished the game not them
Yes that is true. But it was not like this in Season 2. I want the bots to go back before they were nerfed, as I described in original post.
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: That's ironic. I'm helping you and you are just attacking me. I guess i'm the people person and you are the a-hole :)
You are not helping him. Anyone can convert from dollar to euro, dont be lazy. Mr Cocaine is a nice guy.
JT Mas (EUNE)
: maybe other RGM?
doom bots or hexakill
: I would say that would be a pretty decent idea, after all, just about everyone refer to other people as the name of the champion they're playing as, not by their IGN
Yeah, also noticed that too. And I mean, it would be pretty simple thing to do for the devs
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Lightno (EUW)
: oh yeah i forgot the little list of conditions that need to be met to get ip from a game.
Actually, the bots going afk is an added feature and before that I remember the games were harder when it was 4vs5 or 3vs5 sometimes.. people complained it was too hard (yeah the old bots were much harder too) and thats why they changed it. They should just remove that completely because its buggy and the bots are already way too easy (also because the first win of the day kids who end the games too soon)
: Can we have harder bots than "intermediate"? Like "advanced"?
Ive been asking forever for that! I will add you as friend with my other account as we both want harder bots!
: Beta client
Ok I read that this client will be the only one allowed in future. I hope it gets fixed before that happens.
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Mega Noob (EUNE)
: Its 2016 already, but bots have AI worse than decade old enemies in single player games
True. Even with all that's been already said in this discussion. Nobody said that RIot's intermediate bots in 2012 were much better than later (including doom bots). Especially 2 things, their items and their "aggressiveness". They used to get items much sooner (around 30 mins full build). By aggressiveness I mean the new (2014?) threat evaluation stuff. Simply put, they are too scared. They used to roam the map in group of 5 and engage enemy under their turrets (tanking it) and destroying it. Now they just dance around until they get poked to low health. Doom bots actually used the worse AI (the later bot update) and were hard to beat because of their extremely overpowered abilities and buffs. But even with those buffs, they were not hard to beat (win game). Just hard to survive in direct combat. Also recently they started to use flash again (first they used it, then they stopped and now again they use it) but sadly, they don't use teleport anymore (they used to in ~2012) One thing in particular makes the bot games easier than they need to be. They can't kill minions and superminions fast enough or effectively. Even at full build. They seem to still be in "farm,lasthit mode" when defending their nexus from multiple waves of superminions. Which makes it very easy to win against them. That's one thing that could be fixed quite easily. One of many. Things Riot could (and should) do are increase difficulty to level atleast like in 2012. That does not require much work. It's the least they can do to the AI. I would love to help them with increasing the difficulty since I have many ideas after playing such a long time with these bots.
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Luis Sc (EUW)
: You're failing to realise that intermediate bots are the end of the training line. Not suggesting PvP on a PvP game is just absurd. This isn't an MMO open world kinda game where you chose to go fishing or raiding bosses. They can easily code bots to really mimic a team, with jungle clearances and ganks-- if it wasn't done before don't you think there's a really good reason for that ? Keep preaching-- that's it for me-- enjoy your on/off from the game because riot didn't make bots any more challenging.
> [{quoted}](name=Luis Sc,realm=EUW,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=hVsuYpqk,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-16T09:33:32.344+0000) > > You're failing to realise that intermediate bots are the end of the training line. > > Not suggesting PvP on a PvP game is just absurd. This isn't an MMO open world kinda game where you chose to go fishing or raiding bosses. > > They can easily code bots to really mimic a team, with jungle clearances and ganks-- if it wasn't done before don't you think there's a really good reason for that ? > > Keep preaching-- that's it for me-- enjoy your on/off from the game because riot didn't make bots any more challenging. Well I didn't want to reply as well but your comment just seems like it ignores every previous posts... Never have I said anything about improving the bots... its a BUG report. It was fine before. They then attempted to improve them (read the latest AI update report by the developer explaining changes) but create the bug. It's ok you don't have to reply back. But have fun 30-0'ing bots like the best player XD
Luis Sc (EUW)
: Your reply is all over the place. If your friends want challenge then PvP is their next step. A new hard difficulty would just push all the new players there. There's enough people already AFKing or misplaying on intermediate so no point creating s new difficulty and lure them there. This is meant to be entry level and this game isn't meant to be played PvE. If you want to quit, sorry to bring the blunt news, but no one will miss you. There will be another few thousand ( ol unique ) accounts created in that time and riot will continue business as usual.
> [{quoted}](name=Luis Sc,realm=EUW,application-id=ln3nNJrX,discussion-id=hVsuYpqk,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-16T05:46:05.821+0000) > > Your reply is all over the place. > > If your friends want challenge then PvP is their next step. > > A new hard difficulty would just push all the new players there. There's enough people already AFKing or misplaying on intermediate so no point creating s new difficulty and lure them there. > > This is meant to be entry level and this game isn't meant to be played PvE. If you want to quit, sorry to bring the blunt news, but no one will miss you. There will be another few thousand ( ol unique ) accounts created in that time and riot will continue business as usual. Well that is your opinion. New "hard" difficulty would not be new, just a bug fix they unnintentionally caused because it worked before. Your argument about afkers makes no sense in my opinion. I already wrote in my first post, not to suggest playing PVP. Ignoring that is kinda rude dont you think... About me quitting, I already did quit like 8 times because mostly of the toxic and immature players but I keep coming back. I don't care if someone will miss me but I know for a fact that I'm not the only one wanting better bots (just use google) It's usually the new players who get 30-0 on these bots, that don't want to play them or improve them. This isn't a request but a report of a bug. So please, stop talking about stuff that doesn't belong here.
Luis Sc (EUW)
: I think bots are meant to be like that-- otherwise they would be "hardcore" instead of "intermediate" Happens often for me to have a go at bots for a warmup right after I log-in, try one of the free to play chars that I never played before and just enjoy stomping while a) one guy is going AFK because his mom called him for dinner, b) another one is a bot himself, picked Yi and its idling in the bushes while the other two players are also trying new chars. If you ask me, none of us 3 actually playing want to go against try-hard bots :) They're fine like this.
Well I get it, you just want to have a chill game thats not too hard. And that's fine with me, to each his own. You can play beginner difficulty for that. Or better yet, why is there not 3 difficulties? New Hard one would have bots will this bug fixed and that would be perfectly fine by me. But me personally (and others Im sure, just google the requests) want bit of a challenge. I'm not playing for "first win of the day" and I don't want to win with 30-0 stats and end in 20 minutes. They are just bots, even with full builds, they have huge weaknesses which humans can exploit. But you actually have to try a bit to win. Now you can just auto-attack to win the game in 20 minutes, it's that easy. My friend stopped playing because of how the games went (always some guy on our team went 30-0 and ended game 15-20 mins) and I am considering stopping as well. Please help me upvote this, so RIOT may see this. Also, I want to add that this is indeed a "bug" because they used to be able to build "full build" before several patches just fine. But the most recent AI update in which they state they "improved" the item builds, did just the opposite.
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: > [{quoted}](name=xMichaelx3,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=OmlryY4J,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-21T21:22:50.376+0000) > > thats because riot made them easier with updates... I remember 2 years ago or so they weren't this easy and stupid They always were rofl
No, 2-3 years ago they were much better... Not super hard but their "win %" was like 50% against lvl30s. Now it's 5% (I estimate this by my many countless hours on bot games over last 3-4 years
: > [{quoted}](name=xMichaelx3,realm=EUW,application-id=mmWRnfcc,discussion-id=OmlryY4J,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-07-21T07:45:48.389+0000) > > They get gold In my last bot game, my ''enemy bot'' had 12 cs at 13 mins (thats with ''no early game vladi). So , even with +gold, just no. http://puu.sh/j7nXi/6d0d9a5c14.jpg Really tho riot, change bot ai. Bots ignore cs=they spam 1 second skills at you, THE WHOLE MATCH. Its fkn annoying~
thats because riot made them easier with updates... I remember 2 years ago or so they weren't this easy and stupid
: It wouldn't be an intentional change. It could be a bug, yes. They're low priority because the bots just aren't important. Very few people play that gamemode and even fewer find it challenging.
Actually, just look for them and you will find many people who prefer playing with bots because the league of legends community is sh*t. Also look for many topics on forums calling for harder AI. They were much harder before they greatly nerfed their item builds and strategies 2-3 years ago. But for now just fixing the damn bug would suffice, thats the point of this boards isnt it?
: I imagine the bots are pretty low priority, but will get an overhaul sometime in the future most likely. TBH they should update the AI and make sure they build proper items and then also add Doom Bots properly.
Explain this then, this bug did not happen on 5.12 patch. They changed it purposely or it must be a bug. Doesn't seem like low priority, more like "no testing stuff before we release it" I agree with the updating AI but for real this time... The recent AI update made them much weaker than before.
: How they even get 3 items
Axelney (EUW)
: I know that on SR if they get the money they will build 6 items, once I was in an intermediate game with many lv1s that kept dying so the bots kept farming getting up to six items. I wouldn't say they were difficult anyway, because it's still AI but they were more challenging than in a bot game with all lv30 players. On twisted treeline bots dont build more than 3 items maybe because games rarely last enough for you to build more than 3 items plus league of legends bots aren't designed to be challenging at all.
On SR, 2-3 years ago the bots build full builds and were much harder than today's SR bots, you could see experienced lvl30 players getting killed again and again and lose game even. But they changed (to weaker) builds with the new AI update. On the BUG i was talking about in my original post, the match took about 30 minutes and they all stopped to build at 3 items at around 10 minutes. It is a bug with 5.13 patch and it needs to be fixed.
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: Maybe you've just imrpoved alot since then :)
: I've been playing since they were initially introduced. I occasionally play a game to test builds/champions and have never noticed a change over the years. They were always easy and continue to be easy.
Well I don't know your experiences or what kind of a player are you. But in many situations the bots can be really hard or could be. I also play since they were introduced and I played them a lot so I know this for sure. Many times I watched my team getting butchered by the old bots but the new ones.. people get 30-0 on them usually and end game at 20 minutes.
Unmandao (EUW)
: Well their 5 vs 1 has improved a lot. I could win a custom against 5 intermediate bots before, now I cant, they group at whatever lane im pushing and i can no longer stop the 5 of them.
Actuaily, I dont know how long you play but before they were extremely strong when grouped. I remember how they grouped into team of 5 and just roamed the map and killed everyone. Now they just act stupid
Fórsa (EUW)
: I don't want to be offensive, but why the raka you care about bots?
Because I used to have fun playing with them. Not anymore because of the patch.
: maybe you just got better
I did not, I stopped playing league after the bots got weaker but I recently got back to it and Im surprised they still havent figured it out.
: I don't recall them ever being fun or challenging to play against. Sure you aren't mistaking them with the Doom Bots?
I dont know how long do you play but there was a big difference between difficulty after a certain patch. I recall, after the patch people started getting ridiculous scores like 30 kills no deaths etc but before the patch the games took much longer (nowadays its 20mins victory) and players did not get fed crazy like now.
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