: > Maybe i flame sometimes but there is always a reason behind it This is the worst excuse you can pick, because having reason or explaining your behavior is not at all the same as justifying it. For example there are historians who try to understand why the worst dictators and straight out evil men in human history did what they did and in some cases we even have pretty valid theories that explain why those people did all those horrible things. However that doesn't excuse what they did. Having a reason is not an excuse because literally every human being has a reason for literally everything he does. So knowing the reasons why you flamed migth be interesting in order to understand you better and it might help yourself to fight your anger problem, but it's not an excuse. Flaming is not okay just because you have a reason. If that would be true, flaming would generally be allowed because, like I explained, everybody always has a reason. > WHY DONT U CHECK TROLLERS ? They do. Intentionally feeding directly leads to a 14day ban or even a permanent ban. However it's much more difficult to detect intentional feeding because you have to prove that it's intentionally. You wouldn't want players to be banned just because they had a bad game, right? That would lead to the whole community being banned very quickly. So proving intention is crucial. And since the abbility to do that is very limited without reading peoples minds, it's much harder to punish people for intentionally feeding than flaming. If a player flames you have direct proof of that via the chatlogs, that's easy. Intentionally feeding is not so easy unless it's super obvious....and in these cases the feederbuster works perfectly well. > WHY DONT YOU CHECK THE MAIN REASON I FLAME ? Because having a reason is no justification. > WHY THE FUCK DO I GET A PUNISHMENT FOR WHEN I AM PLAYING WITH A SUPPORT WHO STEALS ALL MY FARM AND DOESNT EVEN TYPE A FUCKING WORD IN CHAT AND OFC I FLAME HIM BECUASE HE IS DESTROYING MY GAME AND THEN HE SIMPLY REPORTS ME AFTER GAME FOR OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE AND I GET SUSPENDED?. Again: Because your reasons really don't matter, at least not in terms of justification. Misbehavior of others does not justify misbehavior. > there is a mute button made for kids so just press it and stfu ? That's not a solution. Saying the mute function is justification for flaming is like saying bulletproof vests are justification for shooting people. If you shoot someone it's his fault for not wearing a bulletproof vest, right? So shooting him should be okay? I am aware that this is an extreme allegory, but it's following the same basic logic. The mute button can be used in two ways: a) You mute everyone right from the beginning. This means that perfectly normal and well behaving players have no access to a feature of the game, just because other people can't behave. How is that fair? Why would normal player pay for the bad behavior of a minority? b) You mute people AFTER they flamed you...in which case the damage is already done. Sure, you can prevent further damage, but you are already annoyed and team spirit is gone. To use the bullet proof vest allegory again: You are either forced to wear a bullet proof vest at all times which greatly limits the fun you can have in life (because it's heavy and ugly and you sweat a lot) just because other people might shoot you, or you choose to wear a vest AFTER someone shot you, in which case you are already hit and only can prevent further injury. So no, the existence of the mute function is NOT a justification for flaming. > why cant you simply ban a player from chatting permanently ? what possible harm could he do if he is a flamer banned from chatting ??? Riot did that in the past and it didn't work very well because those players found other ways to express their aggression (like feeding intentionally/trolling, a form of toxicty you even mentioned yourself). You can't fight a problem by fighting the symptoms.
of course the reasons matter and my explanation matters , u can pick up to killers and hang them both without hearing there explanation for killing , maybe one is guilty maybe one is not , maybe one killed for pleasure maybe one for self defense so ofcourse reasons matter , maybe i dont report the player who started flaming me , maybe i just dont care that much because i am not as much of a kid as he is myabe i dont just keep chatting for 15 minutes after the game end maybe i just win or lose and go into another game maybe my i dont wanna waist my time reporting dumb shitts like you do cauz i really dont care maybe the game should normally check this , I NEVER LIKE NEVER GOT A FEED BACK FROM RIOT THAT A PLAYER GOT PUNISHED AFTER I REPORTED HIM FOR TROLLING AND I DONT THINK THIS WILL EVER HAppen , ok it might be hard to look after trollers becuase maybe u ban a player for having bad game while u think he trolled totally agree but then maybe the player who flamed had a bad day had a shit terrible team maybe he was offended by anohter player and he had to answer him back in whatever way he likes so rito AND I REALLY WANT A GOOD ANSWER OF WHY cant you simply ban a player from chatting permanently ? what possible harm could he do if he is a flamer banned from chatting ??? sorry but ur answer to that question was totally opposite to every thing u said before , u said they have punishments for each behaviour so if i get permanent chat ban then go troll reprot me for troll then i get the punishment for trolling maybe i will not troll u dont know but u dont punish me for expecting i might do other shit to realse my anger personally my only way is chatting other ways like trolling wont help me cauz i want to win a game i got a chat ban before and games went fine ...
thedaki1 (EUW)
: I'm not reading all that. But I read the very first sentence > Maybe i flame sometimes but there is always a reason behind it No,there is never a reason for flaming.
there is always a reason so go read the second sentence maybe u will know it ?
: > [{quoted}](name=youssof1,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=zMRu7bKE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-09-06T07:37:32.720+0000) > > Maybe i flame sometimes but there is always a reason behind it ...and you can still get banned regardless of the reason.
: > Maybe i flame sometimes but there is always a reason behind it This is the worst excuse you can pick, because having reason or explaining your behavior is not at all the same as justifying it. For example there are historians who try to understand why the worst dictators and straight out evil men in human history did what they did and in some cases we even have pretty valid theories that explain why those people did all those horrible things. However that doesn't excuse what they did. Having a reason is not an excuse because literally every human being has a reason for literally everything he does. So knowing the reasons why you flamed migth be interesting in order to understand you better and it might help yourself to fight your anger problem, but it's not an excuse. Flaming is not okay just because you have a reason. If that would be true, flaming would generally be allowed because, like I explained, everybody always has a reason. > WHY DONT U CHECK TROLLERS ? They do. Intentionally feeding directly leads to a 14day ban or even a permanent ban. However it's much more difficult to detect intentional feeding because you have to prove that it's intentionally. You wouldn't want players to be banned just because they had a bad game, right? That would lead to the whole community being banned very quickly. So proving intention is crucial. And since the abbility to do that is very limited without reading peoples minds, it's much harder to punish people for intentionally feeding than flaming. If a player flames you have direct proof of that via the chatlogs, that's easy. Intentionally feeding is not so easy unless it's super obvious....and in these cases the feederbuster works perfectly well. > WHY DONT YOU CHECK THE MAIN REASON I FLAME ? Because having a reason is no justification. > WHY THE FUCK DO I GET A PUNISHMENT FOR WHEN I AM PLAYING WITH A SUPPORT WHO STEALS ALL MY FARM AND DOESNT EVEN TYPE A FUCKING WORD IN CHAT AND OFC I FLAME HIM BECUASE HE IS DESTROYING MY GAME AND THEN HE SIMPLY REPORTS ME AFTER GAME FOR OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE AND I GET SUSPENDED?. Again: Because your reasons really don't matter, at least not in terms of justification. Misbehavior of others does not justify misbehavior. > there is a mute button made for kids so just press it and stfu ? That's not a solution. Saying the mute function is justification for flaming is like saying bulletproof vests are justification for shooting people. If you shoot someone it's his fault for not wearing a bulletproof vest, right? So shooting him should be okay? I am aware that this is an extreme allegory, but it's following the same basic logic. The mute button can be used in two ways: a) You mute everyone right from the beginning. This means that perfectly normal and well behaving players have no access to a feature of the game, just because other people can't behave. How is that fair? Why would normal player pay for the bad behavior of a minority? b) You mute people AFTER they flamed you...in which case the damage is already done. Sure, you can prevent further damage, but you are already annoyed and team spirit is gone. To use the bullet proof vest allegory again: You are either forced to wear a bullet proof vest at all times which greatly limits the fun you can have in life (because it's heavy and ugly and you sweat a lot) just because other people might shoot you, or you choose to wear a vest AFTER someone shot you, in which case you are already hit and only can prevent further injury. So no, the existence of the mute function is NOT a justification for flaming. > why cant you simply ban a player from chatting permanently ? what possible harm could he do if he is a flamer banned from chatting ??? Riot did that in the past and it didn't work very well because those players found other ways to express their aggression (like feeding intentionally/trolling, a form of toxicty you even mentioned yourself). You can't fight a problem by fighting the symptoms.
of course the reasons matter and my explanation matters , u can pick up to killers and hang them both without hearing there explanation for killing , maybe one is guilty maybe one is not , maybe one killed for pleasure maybe one for self defense so ofcourse reasons matter , maybe i dont report the player who started flaming me , maybe i just dont care that much because i am not as much of a kid as he is myabe i dont just keep chatting for 15 minutes after the game end maybe i just win or lose and go into another game maybe my i dont wanna waist my time reporting dumb shitts like you do cauz i really dont care maybe the game should normally check this , I NEVER LIKE NEVER GOT A FEED BACK FROM RIOT THAT A PLAYER GOT PUNISHED AFTER I REPORTED HIM FOR TROLLING AND I DONT THINK THIS WILL EVER HAppen , ok it might be hard to look after trollers becuase maybe u ban a player for having bad game while u think he trolled totally agree but then maybe the player who flamed had a bad day had a shit terrible team maybe he was offended by anohter player and he had to answer him back in whatever way he likes so rito AND I REALLY WANT A GOOD ANSWER OF WHY cant you simply ban a player from chatting permanently ? what possible harm could he do if he is a flamer banned from chatting ??? sorry but ur answer to that question was totally opposite to every thing u said before , u said they have punishments for each behaviour so if i get permanent chat ban then go troll reprot me for troll then i get the punishment for trolling maybe i will not troll u dont know but u dont punish me for expecting i might do other shit to realse my anger personally my only way is chatting other ways like trolling wont help me cauz i want to win a game i got a chat ban before and games went fine ...
Turnappah (EUNE)
: Before playing league of legends try to become a friendly person. I'll promise your winrate would rise a lot.
maybe , my point is why do i get permanent ban ? i dont believe flaming is that terrible behaviour that causues all these players to lose their games , maybe others do believe its a big problem and deserves punishments , but punishments should be litmited to the that behaviour , i leave games i get banned for 20 minutes i dont get permanent bans , i flame i get banned from chat i dont get permanent ban thats how it should be
Riryz (EUW)
: -.-" "there is a reason behind it"... you admitted, case closed. flaming is against the rules, no matter why. yo uadmitted you flame so your ban is justified. goodbye.
yes and why permenant ban ? why not permanent ban from chatting ? answer this i dont think u have a possbile answer to define the effect a flamer could have on other players if he had permanent chat ban
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: That depends on your definition of waste of time. I don't consider "having fun" to be a waste of time, especially in comparison to "waiting until LPQ ends".
do you have fun when u lose ? or when u have trollers in ur team ? or when a player has a score of 0/5 and telling u feeder or a noob ? so what i should do not to get banned is to stfu and just accept the fucking shitt they are typing because if answer them i get banned , its only enough for me to get angry from one word from a mother fucking feeder he doesnt even have to type i might get angry at him for joking and trolling in a serious promotion game for me ? i dont know what u do when u lose 5 ranked games streak becuase normall people when they win they are so fucking happy and when they lose they angry if u dont have this maybe u have serious issues and stuff maybe u should check a doctor or something ? and what the fuck do you get so hurt from flaming ? are u emotinally sensitive or something ? maybe instead of letting the mother fucker annoy the whole game and then go to MOMMY RITO and report him maybe u should just answer him back ?
: And they will all get banned sooner or later unless you change your behavior. I can think of more fun ways to spend my free time than constantly leveling up new accounts. But hey, it's your time you are wasting, not mine.
really ? like waisting your time by playing a game that will gain u nothing ? nice way to spend ur time
: +1, bye, bye the rift got peaceful! Thank you rito!
no dont worry i have more accounts :)
Armakar (EUW)
: let me give you a helpful piece of advice nobody reads the summoner's code but it's fairly simple don't be a %%%% don't get banned i've been banned permenantly 9 times you would think I haven't read the TOS, I know exactly what will cause me to get banned. It's common sense.
its nice to have a common sense still my problem is not with the permanent ban , it is just that toxic players shouldnt simply get a permanent ban the right punishment should be a permanent ban from chatting and thats not that hard to give and thats not that hard to change the tribunal they already made alot of changes the last year and maybe sometimes they make bad changes and they just need to listen to the players opinions , i remember once when they changed the ingame voice to a male voice and it was shit and everyone was complaining about it so they but the women voice back and thats ok , they just need to open there fucking minds
: ok you wrote too much stupid shit here so i will only talk about some of them. 1. riot didnt steal your money you payed them the money you got your rp you used it and your deal is done you both got what you wanted, they dont owe you anything just like u dont owe them. 2. riot holds all the rights to your account they are free to do as they see fit, and they judged you for being a toxic player which you probably are if u read your thread again. 3. this is about the guy in the video he deserved to get the ban if i could i would judge him guilty too, he said that only 1 of the reports was legit, 3 of them were legit but the report description was wrong. 4.your definition of "troll":i dont even need to talk about this the guy above me already explained but you obviously didnt listen so your problem. i think im done here enjoy your permaban and plis for the community never even consider coming back to the game until u change your attitude. have a good day.
well for you to know its simple for me i have 3 more accounts and i can complete with the shit attitude but still thats not my point its about putting the right punishment in the right place i have bad language i take ban from chat for some games , if i keep my bad language more games more and more till permanent but there is no fucking point from banning me permanently when the problem could be solved that easy , players who should get the permanent bans are the ones who leave alot of games the ones who always feed for fun for troll so ,,, and dont tell me that fucking shit and talk like a nerd like the fucking deal between me and this shit game is over wtf u talking about ? i payed a 100 dollars in the game to use them as skins to play with which means real money spent on the account so banning me is defintly in apporpriate plus it is the total fucking wrong punishment so how many times do i need to explain that i am toxic ban me from chatting thats it .
Axisdeus (EUNE)
: So you got banned....and you are mad now? Good....
yeah i am mad and i got the ban a year a go and yeah maybe , its good hope you get one soon honey
: Upset bronzes talking mad shlt in 2k16 lul. Why do you think you'll get unbanned or smth if you message them straight up trash-talking?
i dont know yes i was bronze but u were bronze too its just about time i was gold when my account was banned its not a about the fucking rank at all and i have playing since season 3 started so its not a fucking shitt by bronze players from 2016 its real shit by players who spent a 1000 dollars on a fucking game and got a punishment that is not appropriate for the situation from a piece of shit tribunal , the real punishment for trash talking is to get permanent banned from talking i would be angry from that punishment of course but maybe this is someway more reasonable and wont affect my team by my trash talking beside i dont do trash talking straight up there face there are some deep shit in these players like feeders trollers players who die every 5 minutes for nothing ? maybe just to laugh? what should i tell a player who calls me noob for dying a first blood ? a mother fucking idiot and that he stfu , i dont go straight up a game and talk shit ofcourse it just something happening in the game makes me angry and however thats not what i talk about , its about the right way to punish
Infernape (EUW)
: >hey please i don,t believe any player in the world would read a four pages policy with like 1000000 words in it unless he is a fucking nerd? The terms of use agreement is technically a contract between you and Riot. You're **_supposed_** to read it. Once you hit "I agree" you're saying you have read and understand the conditions. >by the way maybe you should go on the youtube and check the player who got a permenant ban and made a 20 min video and got over 150,000 views which is a number that u can deny and got over 1200 likes Please post a link to the YouTube video. >THE 170 fcking replies were ok with a permanent chat ban BUT what is the fcking point from banning a player forever ?? The punishment system follows an escalating path. Meaning each punishment is harsher than the previous one. When you get permanently banned, you are showing that you cannot change your behaviour as you had three previous warnings before the ban. Permanent chat mutes do not work because toxic players will find other ways to act toxic aside from the limited chat. >alot of people want to play the game there are alot of trollers bad players angry players different people with different attitude Ultimately, the decision to spew vitriol and flame is up to the person. They are not forced to do it. They make the choice to do it. >it is completly pointless to ban someone permanently for chatting with some bad shitt the totally accepted and understandable punishment is a chatting permenant ban and after several warnings maybe after banning a player for a 100 games he will be better Why should Riot allow someone, who has proven that they cannot change their behaviour to play the game? >i play with trollers more than aggressive players AND I SWEAR I NEVER SAW a troller or bad player got even a fucking warning even after a 100 reports no shitt happens Define "troll". There is a wide scope of things that are considered to be trolling and half of it isn't actually trolling. Playing bad isn't ever going to be a punishable offence. Also, you probably don't see anything happening because you've either been reporting others for the wrong reasons, which makes your reports worthless. Or because the person in question got a lesser punishment (which doesn't give you a notification) >normally a player wont be offensive unless he really cares about the game right ? Or maybe the player in question has no self control. >i guess so u better check the real fucking problems in the game and start banning players who really deserve it and reconsider ur fcking shitt system and shitt tribunal Yeah, you totally sound like a person who doesn't do or say things that can get them permanently banned.
ooh so you are the nerd , welcome i will put the link down after finishing , besides its the only video i checked about permanent bans and i am sure there are more videos with more views .. so you are saying i should get permanently banned because i have a bad behaviour ok , thats normal i get angry faster than you , when some tells me i am a noob for dying first blood i will answer him in a five sentence message thats me not you its how i am its how i act ,,,, HOWEVER my behaviour was bad or totally unaccepted or the way i make the players lose games for my bad words .. the top punishment for this situation should be a permanent ban from chatting , i mean in what fucking way could i affect a team with my aggressive shit if i cant type so i am just playing now no bad words no offensive words just playing bad team good team i get angry thats my problem i dont affect the team , but giving me a permanent ban after spending a 1000 fucking dollars on a shit game that i spend most of my fucking time playing on it is totally unaccepted in what way should they ban me like that for what reason ? where is my money i spend ? stolen ofcourse no refunds no shit and dont tell me there are no trollers or they dont affect me or i am blind becuase the many reports i give thats shitt total shit first there is no report for trollers second i mean trollers who enter the game and play for 10 minutes and die 5 times and then leave because they are were too bad in that game or even go feed the enemies because they want to surrender after 20 minutes so if u havent seen this stuff yet u better go play more games ,,,,, maybe i dont have self control maybe thats my problem but the real solution is a permanent chatting ban maybe then i wont affect the team . And please answer this if u are supporting the system so much why do i have a friend who has the same bad attitude like me and got banned from chatting for 25 games then 50 then up and up and up till 500 games and he never got the 2 weeks ban or the permanent ban ? and why did i only took the 2 weeks ban then the chatting ban untill like 70 games most i guess and then permanently banned ? is that the system u talking about ? is that the real shit you talking about ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzd4f0Aaopc here is the link
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: > LIKE U ARE JUST DOING THIS PUNISHMENTS TO ANNOY THE PLAYERS . **what should we do ?** Probably not act negative or otherwise unpleasant in games. Don't troll, don't intentionally AFK and don't give your allies a hard time. Just play the game. This way, you aren't going to get punished.
I don't troll and I never reported a troller and got a feedback message that he got suspended the only thing u get suspended for is negativity , I wont be negative if I am playing with a normal team even if they are bad , its just enough for that they are trying to do there best and taking things seriously . and generally my point is about the punishments they give are un fair , player who afk are the ones should be suspended while it is enough for negative ones to get the chat bans ranked bans , and why do u have to win 35 matches draft pick to go in ranked? why not just play 35 draft pick games ? that's my point I am not against punishments , its just the punishments they put this season they need to change them , I know I am negative sometimes in game even if I cant help it I am okay with getting chatbans and ranked bans but why 2 weeks suspension ?!!! that doesnt make sense
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